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Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

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  • #182
    themacdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    No silly questions...

    Remember a 'charger' is just a fancy plug, the actual 'AC charger' is in the car itself...

    Key points to think of when selecting a charger;

    Do you have or plan to have Solar PV, and to use Solar to charge the car? - The Zappi charger integrate well with Solar PV

    Do you have a heat pump, or an electric shower? If you answer yes to either of these then you'd need a charger with load balancing (I believe the Zappi also does this), or if you didn't have a load balanced charger, then you'd need a priority switch installed in addition to the charger - a priority switch basically directs the power to the charger, but if the heat pump or power shower is turned on, they would get the priority (and most/all of the available power), and the charge rate going to the car would reduce...

    This thread is where to ask all charger related questions....

    You can apply now for the SEAI home charger grant (€600), and will get approval fairly quickly, but don't get any work done until you have this approval letter in hand.

    I'd also recommend a day/night meter, and then just shop around for the best deals on electricity pricing...

    Thanks for the response. I currently have a day and night meter and shopped around for the best rate. While I do not have solar PV just yet it is something I would like to do in the future. Also I am extending the house and as part of that I am looking at changing from oil to Air to water so I would have to factor that in. The Zappi looks good. Any ideas whether I should look at the 22kw v the 7kw?

    Thanks, I will look at that forum. Not sure how I missed it.


  • #183
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,975 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    you need to check the supply to the house and can it be upgraded

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  • #184
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,167 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    themacdaddy wrote: »
    Any ideas whether I should look at the 22kw v the 7kw?

    House supply in Ireland is typically only single phase, meaning the most you'll get is 7kW.

    You are also limited by the car's onboard charger too, the Audi Q4 has an 11kW onboard AC charger, meaning even if you have 3 phase at your home, and a 22kW charger, you'll still only be able to put a max of 11kW into the car....

    For instance my Model 3 supports a max of 11kW AC charging, so even when I plug into a 22kW ESB AC charger, I'll still only get 11kW.

    7kW at home is more than enough.... 7 hours will put 49kWh into the car. The Q4 has a 77kWh battery, so 11 hours will take it from 0% to 100% (but in reality you'd hardly ever be putting 100% into it, always keeping it between 20% - 80%), 20%-80% is around 46kWh, which would take about 6-7 hours at 7kW


  • #185
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume takes a close look at the infotainment system in the Model 3. Is it the best in any car?



  • #186
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I guesss this would be better in chargers thread.

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  • #187
    fafy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭fafy


    Q on public charging, which i will only use infrequently, apart from ionity which i will only use rarely, as none near me, if i sign up to Go Car, that gives me all Go Car charging access +all ESB charge points ? Or, is an ESB charging card better, or is there a better alternative in 1 card, that gives extensive access to nationwide charging ?


  • #188
    innrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭innrain


    fafy wrote: »
    Q on public charging, which i will only use infrequently, apart from ionity which i will only use rarely, as none near me, if i sign up to Go Car, that gives me all Go Car charging access +all ESB charge points ? Or, is an ESB charging card better, or is there a better alternative in 1 card, that gives extensive access to nationwide charging ?
    Go Car is the car sharing company. Maybe EasyGo?

    EasyGo gives you access to ESB ecars but at a premium. (27c access fee +32 c kWh AC standards/40c kWh DC rapids). If you don't used much probably is the best option as you can benefit from the free units @ Lidl thier own paid ones and ecars. You can get Ionity with them as well with 27c access +79c kWh if you're stuck


  • #189
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is the presentation by Tom Spencer of Irish EVs that he shared at the IEVOA AGM 17 April, 2021.



  • #190
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume tests his Tesla Model 3 SR+ in an exhausting range test around Cork City.



  • #191
    Cupra280
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Cupra280


    Quick question about public charging infrastructure, sorry if it was asked before.

    I've just ordered a plug-in hybrid. Has a 13Kw battery. I cannot install a home charger. I would like to keep charged as much as possible. Would pay-as-you-go on eCars be a better option that the monthly membership?

    I am a complete novice to charging, so I may be asking a lot of basic questions!


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  • #192
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Why you cannot install a home charger?

    I find pay as you go offers 30% to 40 % saving over fossil fuel use, but its not really worth it unless your parking up anyway, I think its a waste of time just to wait around on a car charging.

    monthly is 5 euro and what 3 cent cheaper electricity? you would have to use around 166 kWh before you start to save anything.

    What car is it?

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  • #193
    Cupra280
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Cupra280


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Why you cannot install a home charger?

    I find pay as you go offers 30% to 40 % saving over fossil fuel use, but its not really worth it unless your parking up anyway, I think its a waste of time just to wait around on a car charging.

    monthly is 5 euro and what 3 cent cheaper electricity? you would have to use around 166 kWh before you start to save anything.

    What car is it?

    Thanks for the response.

    In an apartment block with free for all parking. I see some have mentioned charging stations in their apartment blocks, I'd be interested in hearing if there was any resistance from the Management Company/Agent to having these installed.

    It's a Cupra Formentor.


  • #194
    innrain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭innrain


    Cupra280 wrote: »
    Quick question about public charging infrastructure, sorry if it was asked before.

    I've just ordered a plug-in hybrid. Has a 13Kw battery. I cannot install a home charger. I would like to keep charged as much as possible. Would pay-as-you-go on eCars be a better option that the monthly membership?

    I am a complete novice to charging, so I may be asking a lot of basic questions!
    In your case monthly membership is not economical. It is a yearly subscription and based on the price difference you'd need to charge about 1450 kWh in a year to get even. That's over 110 time your battery size in a year or about ten times in a month. As it charging @3.6kW one full charge will take about 4h so 40h charging in a month on the public network is not viable.

    Regarding the second issue it depends on the owners. But your case as mine with unallocated parking spaces it is seen as the most difficult to solve. I have two years since I started the discussions with the agent/owners associations and I don't see any solution. But you have to start somewhere so ask. The most beneficial would be to have your own installation as from what I've seen some communal one could get more expensive than ecars for charging.


  • #195
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #196
    zenith90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭zenith90


    I know someone shared a comprehensive checklist that they had put together for new EV owners.
    Is that still available somewhere here?

    Hoping to share a copy of it with a prospective first-time EV owner.


  • #197
    kop-end
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭kop-end


    zenith90 wrote: »
    I know someone shared a comprehensive checklist that they had put together for new EV owners.
    Is that still available somewhere here?

    Hoping to share a copy of it with a prospective first-time EV owner.

    I would love to see this also


  • #198
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #199
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #200
    into_the_wild
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭into_the_wild


    Hey guys, I'm not totally convinced with BEVs (due to range anxiety etc) and hence considering a PHEV but just wanted to clarify a couple of things before taking the plunge:

    1) Do PHEVs run in "hybrid mode" when not charged at all?

    2) Do PHEVs have an inherent disadvantage in efficiency because they're carrying extra weight of a normal ICE engine as well as an electric motor/battery etc?


  • #201
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,209 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    How about a step in between, the outstanding, wonderful, awe inspiring BMW i3 with range extender.

    140-180km of pure electric range, with a petrol generator for backup to vanquish that nerve shredding range anxiety.

    Now who could possibly be selling such an outstanding machine... ;)


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  • #202
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,167 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    into_the_wild wrote: »
    Hey guys, I'm not totally convinced with BEVs (due to range anxiety etc

    What’s your average daily commute?

    What’s your potential max distance to cover (going down the country etc..) how how many times a year would you do this?

    I went from an ICE to a full BEV and 30,000km’s later do not regret it 1 iota….

    Last Sunday we did a 512km drive for sh1ts and giggles, and made 2 charging stops (the 1st one wasn’t actually required, but we were stopping anyway so took on an opportunist 20 minute charge).


    Initially we were apprehensive about going full BEV due to range anxiety etc…… but within a few weeks we realised those apprehensions were completely unfounded… (our cars WLTP range is 409km). We’ve been all over the country many times, and never had an issue with range/charging….. only requiring minor pre-planning for charging (if needed).


  • #203
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    into_the_wild wrote: »
    2) Do PHEVs have an inherent disadvantage in efficiency because they're carrying extra weight of a normal ICE engine as well as an electric motor/battery etc?

    They are only really at a disadvantage when the battery is empty, in which case it is dead weight.

    If you can charge at home and afford a BEV with a decent range I think you will regret it if you buy a PHEV instead.


  • #204
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Anyone in the market for a EV should watch this....


  • #205
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume tests the range and consumption of the Renault Captur E-Tech Plug-in Launch Edition (PHEV) over three days in his usual Tour de Cork loop around Cork City.



  • #206
    worlds goodest teecher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭worlds goodest teecher


    With the Nissan leaf is there any SEAI grant available?


  • #207
    Black_Knight
    Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    worlds goodest teecher wrote: »
    With the Nissan leaf is there any SEAI grant available?

    Yes. Seai grant is for all new EV cars under 60k, and over something like 20k.


  • #208
    worlds goodest teecher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭worlds goodest teecher


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Yes. Seai grant is for all new EV cars under 60k, and over something like 20k.

    Thanks

    It's a shame that they don't list guide prices for eligible cars. Looking for a family ev to make full use of my 3.6kwh grid tied solar PV. Was considering second hand but with a grant we may look at new. We are down one car now so need to move on this.


  • #209
    worlds goodest teecher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭worlds goodest teecher


    I think that rather than spend all that money (banks money) maybe a second hand might be better and do the same for our second car as well. The depreciation on ev seems to be huge.


  • #210
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    worlds goodest teecher wrote: »
    The depreciation on ev seems to be huge.

    I don't think that particularly true tbh.


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  • #211
    Black_Knight
    Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    worlds goodest teecher wrote: »
    I think that rather than spend all that money (banks money) maybe a second hand might be better and do the same for our second car as well. The depreciation on ev seems to be huge.

    The depreciation on cars in general is huge. EVs have probably depreciated slightly less than combustion engine cars.

    Second hand family cars in the EV world are slim pickings still. For a large sized car (SUV type) you've got Audi and jaguar, both of which will be over 50k second hand. The Kia eNiro is a compact SUV which started selling in 2019, and could possibly be gotten second hand for ~33k. The Nissan leaf and Hyundai ioniq are "family sized" hatchback cars. Decent size to carry stuff about, but their (ioniq) boot space was the reason we traded up. Depends on your family's age I guess, we've buggies etc to be carting around. These are around the 15k mark second hand (2017)


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