Hostage/Siege in French Supermarket - Islamic State angle

Mutant z · 23-03-2018 3:07pm

France has become a warzone in the last few years and it doesn't look like it will end anytime soon while there's people coming in their thousands to their shores who hold a grunge against western European society, thanks a lot Merkel I'm sure you're proud.

Hector Savage · 23-03-2018 3:07pm

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe I'm deflecting why are you replying?

I'm not btw. Are there any sane people who genuinely believe France has gone to the dogs?

Areas in France have gone to the dogs, be honest.
But of course, not the whole country no one is suggesting this.

But there is some serious issues with radical Islam there and this will only
get worse.

Mutant z · 23-03-2018 3:07pm

France has become a warzone in the last few years and it doesn't look like it will end anytime soon while there's people coming in their thousands to their shores who hold a grunge against western European society, thanks a lot Merkel I'm sure you're proud.

Mountainsandh · 23-03-2018 3:09pm

They still don't know how many injured yet exactly, helicopters to and fro-ing from supermarket to hospitals.

For sure 2 injuries : the passenger in the hijacked car, and the CRS who was shot in the shoulder as a group of 5 were coming back to headquarters from a jog. That injury is not life threatening.

The perpetrator shot at the group from the car.

Macron just talked from Brussels, he suggested that the guy was a lone-wolf with psychiatric issues rather than acting on orders coming from elsewhere.

Mutant z · 23-03-2018 3:09pm

Radical Islam has Europe in turmoil and it will only get worse.

23-03-2018 3:10pm

Nah France is totally fine.

Gravelly · 23-03-2018 3:15pm

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe I'm deflecting why are you replying?

I'm not btw. Are there any sane people who genuinely believe France has gone to the dogs?

I travel to France very regularly for work, and anyone who believes France doesn't have a serious Islam problem is lying to themselves. None of the French people I deal with think there isn't a serious problem.

Lollipops23 · 23-03-2018 3:30pm

nervous_twitch wrote: »

What are you talking about? I live in France and it is a perfectly safe, beautiful country.

As do my parents. My mam volunteers with a charity that helps settle refugees when they're granted asylum. She's never had a moment's cause to worry.

Mountainsandh · 23-03-2018 3:30pm

When the guy went into the supermarket, he shot and killed twice.
He then took whoever was there hostage.

Some of the staff had managed to get out the back.

Somehow the local gendarmes came on the scene, and the chief of that Gendarmerie managed to convince the perpetrator to hold him hostage and release all others. This hero is now seriously injured. He had the presence of mind to leave his phone open and on on a table somewhere so special forces heard when shots were fired, and responded by killing the perpetrator.

Cheerful Spring · 23-03-2018 3:36pm

Isis and other jihadists are joining FSA ( free Syrian army) alongside Turkey helping them wipe out the Kurds in Syria. So-called moderate rebels a joke. I expect to see more attacks they are protected by a country now close to Europe.

pickarooney · 23-03-2018 3:39pm

inforfun wrote: »

Bit of a dodgy translation "touched" should have been "hit"

And "would have" should be "was (allegedly)".

Graces7 · 23-03-2018 3:45pm

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe I'm deflecting why are you replying?

I'm not btw. Are there any sane people who genuinely believe France has gone to the dogs?

Yes the ones who strongly advised me against moving there.Do you think we hear all the bad things that happen there? As many do to hear everything that happens here. eg Tuam babies.

Mountainsandh · 23-03-2018 3:48pm

pickarooney wrote: »

And "would have" should be "was (allegedly)".

Are you near there pickarooney ?
Any news on numbers injured ? Lci are not aware and I couldn't be bothered listening to the radio.

inforfun · 23-03-2018 3:53pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Isis and other jihadists are joining FSA ( free Syrian army) alongside Turkey helping them wipe out the Kurds in Syria. So-called moderate rebels a joke. I expect to see more attacks they are protected by a country now close to Europe.

And financed by, amongst others, The Netherlands as the news there learned me last week.

jmayo · 23-03-2018 4:01pm

nervous_twitch wrote: »

What are you talking about? I live in France and it is a perfectly safe, beautiful country.

Yep it is, for some.
For certain concert goers, football match spectators, priests, shop workers, pedestrians, cartoonists, policemen and now butchers it is proving to be not so safe.

Today in the French towns of Carcassonne (population 47,000) and Trebes (population 6,000) people were told by Police to baracade themselves indoors, they were told to get off the streets and roads, schools were locked down.

Tell us how many more perfectly safe countries have whole towns (cities in our country) put into lock down due to yet another muslim terrorist (oops forgot the narrative mentally disturbed young man of Asian/African extraction) ?

A lot of butchers went to work today in a lot of run of the mill supermarkets, in a lot of towns and cities in a lot of countries.

Only one though AFAIK was killed by a terrorist, but of course he was in a a "safe" country.

Is there no amount of apologist hogwash spouted by some to excuse yet another example of the cultural contribution of one particular religious ideology to Europe.

Huexotzingo · 23-03-2018 4:08pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Utter Bollocks.

Stop deflecting, we all saw you shown up by Humphrys on here ...

nervous_twitch · 23-03-2018 4:10pm

jmayo wrote: »

nervous_twitch wrote: »

What are you talking about? I live in France and it is a perfectly safe, beautiful country.

Yep it is, for some.
For certain concert goers, football match spectators, priests, shop workers, pedestrians, cartoonists, policemen and now butchers it is proving to be not so safe.

Today in the French towns of Carcassonne (population 47,000) and Trebes (population 6,000) people were told by Police to baracade themselves indoors, they were told to get off the streets and roads, schools were locked down.

Tell us how many more perfectly safe countries have whole towns (cities in our country) put into lock down due to yet another muslim terrorist (oops forgot the narrative mentally disturbed young man of Asian/African extraction) ?

A lot of butchers went to work today in a lot of run of the mill supermarkets, in a lot of towns and cities in a lot of countries.

Only one though AFAIK was killed by a terrorist, but of course he was in a a "safe" country.

Is there no amount of apologist hogwash spouted by some to excuse yet another example of the cultural contribution of one particular religious ideology to Europe.

I never once suggested that Islamic culture and the clash of values/lack of integration was not a problem here in France. In fact, I know first-hand the extent of that problem and some serious reflection is needed in this country about how it is to be tackled going forward.
However, to imply that France is unsafe is hysterical and hyperbolic. I was responding to a poster who said she was glad she hadn't moved here given what the country has turned into, as if we are all cowered in fear, afraid to open the front door in case we are accosted by a jihadist. It is an absolutely irrational response to what is a statistically negligible threat. France, for almost everyone, is still a perfectly safe (and mostly beautiful) country. It's like hearing news of an air crash and saying you're glqd you've never stepped foot on a plane.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 4:12pm

dav3 wrote: »

The fact that you live there, the fact that France is the most visited country in the world by tourists and the fact that it actually is a perfectly safe, beautiful country, means little to some people.

They've made up their mind and they're not for turning. They have youtube videos, ranting blogs and opinions from idiots that they know to back up their prejudices.

Is the French newschannel France24 a prejudiced idiot??

https://youtu.be/6gZFGpNdH1A

Spanish Eyes · 23-03-2018 4:13pm

Watch live here.

http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/live-video/

jmayo · 23-03-2018 4:14pm

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe I'm deflecting why are you replying?

I'm not btw. Are there any sane people who genuinely believe France has gone to the dogs?

Well lets see.
Over the last few years you have had ...

concert goers taken hostage and slaughtered in Paris.
people sitting outside restaurants, bars, cafes being shot at in Paris.
people out for a walk on a promenade in Nice being run over and murdered.
people working in a magazine being slaughtered.
policemen being executed on the footpath
a priest being decapitated in front of his parishioners.
shop workers and shoppers being taken hostage and killed just because they were Jews.
suicide bombers trying to enter stadiums to try kill football fans.
a number of individuals attacked and killed by lone wolfe attackers who all happen to share the same religious ideology.

If that isn't a state that doesn't have very serious problems and taken a turn for the worse then I don't fooking know what is.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 4:17pm

Mountainsandh wrote: »

They still don't know how many injured yet exactly, helicopters to and fro-ing from supermarket to hospitals.

For sure 2 injuries : the passenger in the hijacked car, and the CRS who was shot in the shoulder as a group of 5 were coming back to headquarters from a jog. That injury is not life threatening.

The perpetrator shot at the group from the car.

Macron just talked from Brussels, he suggested that the guy was a lone-wolf with psychiatric issues rather than acting on orders coming from elsewhere.

Quelle Surprise

AllForIt · 23-03-2018 4:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah France is totally fine.

I'm gobsmacked. I didn't think things were that bad. I take back what I though about the far-right in France.

Kivaro · 23-03-2018 5:37pm

AllForIt wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked. I didn't think things were that bad. I take back what I though about the far-right in France.

I wonder if some on here are going to say that the men in the video were just lone-wolves with psychiatric issues. The video is disturbing; not just because of the overt misogyny, but because it reflects the future in many areas of Europe. And with the ever increasing numbers of similarly-minded men being allowed into Europe, the problem is only going to get worse.

The reality is that the liberal minorities in countries across Europe are pushing people to the right and far-right; many of whom would have never considered going to the right in the political spectrum in the past.

Omackeral · 23-03-2018 5:50pm

Kivaro wrote: »

The reality is that the liberal minorities in countries across Europe are pushing people to the right and far-right; many of whom would have never considered going to the right in the political spectrum in the past.

I’d have to agree with that. The vocal hardcore left seem to be given more of a pass from the media and other outlets than is warranted. Thing is, they’ve become what they’re supposed to hate... fascists. They’ll more or less accuse you of wrongthink and the irony of it is lost on them. I’d have considered myself left leaning on loads of issues down the years but I can definitely see your point on how these loons could make people resent their side or even think twice

pickarooney · 23-03-2018 6:03pm

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Are you near there pickarooney ?
Any news on numbers injured ? Lci are not aware and I couldn't be bothered listening to the radio.

Nah, if it weren't for boards I wouldn't even know it happened.

jmayo · 23-03-2018 6:14pm

What is going to start happening is kids who don't happen to share a certain ideology and belief system will start looking elsewhere because they see the authorities and mainstream parties doing shag all about their situation.

Imagine being a young guy growing up in an area where your sister, your mother are subject to abuse or even worse, where you are beaten up because you don't happen to believe in a certain religion and you don't fall in line, where your friend is beaten up because he dared chat to the wrong girl, where your cousin the soldier is afraid to appear because the locals would hack his head off.

First probable thing is that these kids move out to an area that isn't majorily controlled by the same ideology which just leaves even more of a ghetto behind with it's it's own defacto laws and rules.
A country or fiefdom within a state, a mimic of the tribal areas in Pakistan where the law is the local elders and the state rules no longer apply.

And what of the young guys that leave ?
Well a fair portion will have developed a deep seated hatred just looking for a home.

As it is I find it incomprehensible how there haven't been huge rise in right wing groups in the likes of Rochdale, Newcastle, Rotherham, Telford, etc.

I don't think it is going to end well for Europe.

jmayo · 23-03-2018 6:24pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Nah, if it weren't for boards I wouldn't even know it happened.

This is the thing.
It is death by a thousand cuts.

We are becoming immune to it.

What politician actually said it is what is to be expected living in a city in modern Europe.
Oh yeah wasn't it the muslim major of London. :rolleyes:

Of course the excusors arrive telling us that more people were killed in car accidents in France today.
More people probably fell down the stairs.

It is the price to pay for multiculturalism and some people feeling superior about themselves and assuaging their sense of guilt for being born white, middle class in Europe.
The very same people who probably laugh at christians, catholics around these parts, for believing that some guy died on a cross 2000 years ago to supposedly assuage mankinds' guilt for leaving a fictitious garden a few thousand years ago. :rolleyes:

Mountainsandh · 23-03-2018 6:50pm

jmayo wrote: »

This is the thing.
It is death by a thousand cuts.

In fairness it's still a big deal judging by the media, live-updates news on radio (I did bother in the end) and tv/newspapers headlines over in France.
Maybe pickarooney just doesn't have access to the news during their work day.

But you're right, these events become old news very fast nowadays.

K.Flyer · 23-03-2018 9:22pm

jmayo wrote: »

...
Of course the excusors arrive telling us that more people were killed in car accidents in France today.
More people probably fell down the stairs...

But how many of those would have been as a result of some sick minded fool's failed ideology.
Let us try to guess now, probably None.

And in other news..

A teenage asylum-seeker who detonated a bomb on a rush hour Tube train has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 34 years.

Hassan plotted his attack with "ruthless determination and almost military efficiency while pretending to be a model asylum seeker", the court heard.

He was also older than he purported to be.

34 years, it will be so interesting to compare that sentence with the one the Egyptian will get for murdering the Japanese lad in Dundalk.

Sand · 23-03-2018 9:37pm

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe I'm deflecting why are you replying?

I'm not btw. Are there any sane people who genuinely believe France has gone to the dogs?

One of the most enduring and manpower intensive tasks of the French army is Opération Sentinelle. Over 10,000 armed soldiers deployed to defend the streets of French cities from Islamic terrorists. The strain on the French army is such that 6 in 10 French soldiers want to quit, and the head of the French armed forces quit last year citing too many operational demands and too little funding to accomplish them.

When the French army must protect its streets, rather than its borders you cannot pretend things are fine.

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 11:50pm

Sand wrote: »

One of the most enduring and manpower intensive tasks of the French army is Opération Sentinelle. Over 10,000 armed soldiers deployed to defend the streets of French cities from Islamic terrorists. The strain on the French army is such that 6 in 10 French soldiers want to quit, and the head of the French armed forces quit last year citing too many operational demands and too little funding to accomplish them.

When the French army must protect its streets, rather than its borders you cannot pretend things are fine.

My sister has been travelling to France for the last 10 years with the family camping. Last summer they arrived at a campsite they have frequented before to be confronted with the reality of armed guards at the campsite entrance. A 13yo French girl had been raped by three refugees in the campsite toilet four days previously. The local refugee centre was located in a building opposite the site.

They spent two nights before cutting their loses and moving on even though they where out of pocket. They won't be going back.

Of course not all refugees are rapists or terrorists in fact it's a tiny minority but this massive influx of people who don't respect our value systems in the West isn't going to end well.

Ignoring it and calling anyone racist for pointing out the issue is childish.

Mutant z · 24-03-2018 12:30am

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Isis and other jihadists are joining FSA ( free Syrian army) alongside Turkey helping them wipe out the Kurds in Syria. So-called moderate rebels a joke. I expect to see more attacks they are protected by a country now close to Europe.

Not to mention glorified by the media and western governments the BBC still refers to isis as so called ffs.

wakka12 · 24-03-2018 12:45am

The comments saying 'this is daily life in france now' and something to that effect are annoying theres barely been a terrorist attack of note in europe since last summer

AllForIt · 24-03-2018 1:10am

wakka12 wrote: »

The comments saying 'this is daily life in france now' and something to that effect are annoying theres barely been a terrorist attack of note in europe since last summer

I can't belive you just said that.

Mutant z · 24-03-2018 1:14am

wakka12 wrote: »

The comments saying 'this is daily life in france now' and something to that effect are annoying theres barely been a terrorist attack of note in europe since last summer

Have you just woken from a coma or are you really that deluded.

Mountainsandh · 24-03-2018 9:17am

The policeman who swapped himself hostage to save a woman's life yesterday has died.

A proper hero.

Arnaud Beltrame
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https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2243175-20180324-attaques-terroristes-aude-gendarme-arnaud-beltrame-livre-echange-otages-decede?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtref=facebook.com

Phoebas · 24-03-2018 9:59am

Graces7 wrote: »

Before I came to Ireland, and we are going back 16 years, I was half planning to move to France; I speak fluent French...Thankfully someone far wiser than I will ever be warned m that things were heading this way .. so very sad and shocking.

You got here right on time.
We were just exiting from a protracted period of terrorism.

Mark Henderson · 24-03-2018 10:53am

Mountainsandh wrote: »

The policeman who swapped himself hostage to save a woman's life yesterday has died.

A proper hero.

Arnaud Beltrame

https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2243175-20180324-attaques-terroristes-aude-gendarme-arnaud-beltrame-livre-echange-otages-decede?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtref=facebook.com

May he rest in peace.

Hero's like him put themselves on the line to defend us all from savages like that animal yesterday.

Omackeral · 24-03-2018 2:03pm

Mountainsandh wrote: »

The policeman who swapped himself hostage to save a woman's life yesterday has died.

A proper hero.

Arnaud Beltrame

https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2243175-20180324-attaques-terroristes-aude-gendarme-arnaud-beltrame-livre-echange-otages-decede?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtref=facebook.com

Dunno if it’s really appropriate to say this but look who did and didn’t thank this post. It speaks volumes really.

Snake Plisken · 24-03-2018 2:18pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Dunno if it’s really appropriate to say this but look who did and didn’t thank this post. It speaks volumes really.

You could list out the usual progressives who avoid threads like this as it makes their whole pro islam/migration rhetoric look decidedly dodgy when events like this happen, , but I won’t as I would get a holiday from boards if I did as they love that report button!
RIP to this brave policeman and to those who lost their lives needlessly yesterday and the family’s they leave behind!

shaunr68 · 24-03-2018 2:48pm

The word "hero" is often used inappropriately, referring to sports players and the like. Never was it more apt than here. RIP, Mort pour la France.

Graces7 · 24-03-2018 4:09pm

Phoebas wrote: »

You got here right on time.
We were just exiting from a protracted period of terrorism.

lol.. I was actually in Donegal for over year in the 80s and I remember being in Letterkenny one day when the tension in the air was thick and heavy. There had been a bombing incident nearby even then

Would not live anywhere else now but Ireland.

dermo888 · 24-03-2018 4:09pm

This incident and others like it mean that drastic measures are required. Ladies and Gentlemen, the origin of this extremism needs to be targetted and strategically dealt with, even if it costs modern European civilisation economically.

That country is none other than Saudi Arabia, due to their toxic Wahabbi doctrine. All Saudi Embassies and Ambassadors must be kicked out. All European issued passports, henceforth must be stamped with 'invalid for travel to Saudi Arabia'. All Saudi Arabian assets in the civilised world must be confiscated, and reparations as punishment for spreading their hateful doctrine of Wahabbism of $10 Trillion must be imposed.

Phoebas · 24-03-2018 7:07pm

^^^ I can't imagine that anything could go wrong with that plan.

Pero_Bueno · 24-03-2018 7:24pm

dermo888 wrote: »

This incident and others like it mean that drastic measures are required. Ladies and Gentlemen, the origin of this extremism needs to be targetted and strategically dealt with, even if it costs modern European civilisation economically.

That country is none other than Saudi Arabia, due to their toxic Wahabbi doctrine. All Saudi Embassies and Ambassadors must be kicked out. All European issued passports, henceforth must be stamped with 'invalid for travel to Saudi Arabia'. All Saudi Arabian assets in the civilised world must be confiscated, and reparations as punishment for spreading their hateful doctrine of Wahabbism of $10 Trillion must be imposed.

Its a long term solution, education is the way.

Islamic schools - in fact ALL religious schools should be banned, schools need to be 100% secular and religion can be kept in the home.

Emphasize education for Science - particularly geology/biology/evolution - anything that shows that the whole God thing is an utter load of bollicks once you think about it.

There are some good things in the news lately, Richard Dawkins making his books free in Arabic/Farsi/Urdu are good signs - in fact the God delusion apparently has had 13M downloads (illegal PDF but fair enough!!!)

as said it is a long long term solution though - and you can expect plenty of hackings and murders of atheists in the mid east from their "religious" counter parts.

And the BBC, RTE, Sadiq Khan, the Guardian and plenty of "liberal" posters on here will do nothing but apologize for this - DISGUSTING!!!!!

DECADES of Jihad coming to Europe.

Can you imagine the next generation ? when all these migrants that will be having an average of 5/6 kids ???

Yeah I bet these kids will feel real German/French/Swedish ! ha!

Galwayguy35 · 24-03-2018 7:57pm

I find it hard to believe there are only 38 thanks for Mountainashs post showing a picture of a decent man who gave his life to save somebody.

Graces7 · 24-03-2018 8:24pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I find it hard to believe there are only 38 thanks for Mountainashs post showing a picture of a decent man who gave his life to save somebody.

Saturday tends to be a slow day on boards...

Captain Obvious · 24-03-2018 8:39pm

I was pretty disgusted by the reporting on this. News outlets effectively naming the victims before there was even a chance of their relatives being informed.

25-03-2018 4:36am

AllForIt wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked. I didn't think things were that bad. I take back what I though about the far-right in France.

holy crap, wheres the #metoo type response to this stuff? there are similar youtube videos of parts of England too.

People wonder why the UK voted brexit, its at least partly because Merkel opened Europe to millions of unchecked people from parts of the world where the Wests way of life is despised. Even if Brexit costs a ton of money it would be worth it if it prevented this. The only problem is its laughably too late for the UK already. Damage limitation perhaps.

25-03-2018 4:43am

How about an instant solution of closing up the borders. Do what the Australians do and process people offshore and relocate them in non war torn countries in Africa or the Middle East. Send the rest back to Tunisia/Turkey/wherever/any of the crossing points.

Hostage/Siege in French Supermarket - Islamic State angle

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