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  • #402
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    likewise, it's no surprise that you are missing the point im making.

    you want mods to act on anyone interpreting unknown events in a manner you dislike.

    you dont want mods to act on anyone interpreting unknown events in a manner you like.

    this thread is full of exactly this type of request- "posters are posting things i disagree with, something must be done!"

    and these requests are coming from the same handful of posters.

    its very interesting to watch, more interesting than the actual topics themselves most of the time tbh.


  • #403
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    likewise, it's no surprise that you are missing the point im making.

    you want mods to act on anyone interpreting unknown events in a manner you dislike.

    you dont want mods to act on anyone interpreting unknown events in a manner you like.

    this thread is full of exactly this type of request- "posters are posting things i disagree with, something must be done!"

    and these requests are coming from the same handful of posters.

    its very interesting to watch, more interesting than the actual topics themselves most of the time tbh.

    They’re not interpreting unknown events. They are saying that the jury’s verdict proves the complainant lied.

    That is factually incorrect. It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about people who are posting complete and utter lies which are dangerous and defamatory.

    What part of that are you failing to grasp?


  • #404
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the claim is being sufficiently debunked by the userbase.
    i don't think any more needs to be done.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #405
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's unfortunate that the Maria Bailey thread has been locked, as it's still very much a relevant issue in the public eye. As evidenced by a near constant presence in the media cycle. A handful of posters dismayed by the prevailing narrative went out of their way to induce such an action, and ultimately succeeded. On that basis, I believe the decision should be overturned & minority deliberately stoking tensions meet the appropriate punishment.


  • #406
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's unfortunate that the Maria Bailey thread has been locked, as it's still very much a relevant issue in the public eye. As evidenced by a near constant presence in the media cycle. A handful of posters dismayed by the prevailing narrative went out of their way to induce such an action, and ultimately succeeded. On that basis, I believe the decision should be overturned & minority deliberately stoking tensions meet the appropriate punishment.
    I've also had a number of representations via PM on this

    My concern with some of the reports I was seeing and then noting certain posts in the thread, was it was a thread with a politician's name in the title that was not really discussing the politician, but seemed to be discussing insurance fraud

    The issue is though that, certainly AFAIK, Ms Bailey has not admitted to or been found guilty of such fraud

    Obviously allowing such allegations to stand, to the extent they implicate named individuals, is moving into dangerous territory from a legal perspective - a specialism I am not qualified in (certainly not fraud)

    I am not though saying insurance fraud should not be discussed on the site, but any examples should be readily verifiable. Indeed a general thread on insurance fraud would be fine, perhaps on the back of one of the regular reports we see on insurance fraud, and not on the basis of a named individual who has not been convicted of or admitted to any fraud

    I'm certainly open to listen to further representations on the point. It has already been pointed out to me that the thread was moving towards it's 10,000 post limit, and maybe there is a subtly different topic that can be freely discussed without having to refer back to this specific incident.


  • #407
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭This is it


    Beasty wrote: »
    I've also had a number of representations via PM on this

    My concern with some of the reports I was seeing and then noting certain posts in the thread, was it was a thread with a politician's name in the title that was not really discussing the politician, but seemed to be discussing insurance fraud

    The issue is though that, certainly AFAIK, Ms Bailey has not admitted to or been found guilty of such fraud

    Obviously allowing such allegations to stand, to the extent they implicate named individuals, is moving into dangerous territory from a legal perspective - a specialism I am not qualified in (certainly not fraud)

    I am not though saying insurance fraud should not be discussed on the site, but any examples should be readily verifiable. Indeed a general thread on insurance fraud would be fine, perhaps on the back of one of the regular reports we see on insurance fraud, and not on the basis of a named individual who has not been convicted of or admitted to any fraud

    I'm certainly open to listen to further representations on the point. It has already been pointed out to me that the thread was moving towards it's 10,000 post limit, and maybe there is a subtly different topic that can be freely discussed without having to refer back to this specific incident.

    Thread is open since May, with multiple accusations daily against Maria Bailey, with a few others named too... And it's only now that it's "dangerous territory". That's perplexing.


  • #408
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This is it wrote: »
    Thread is open since May, with multiple accusations daily against Maria Bailey, with a few others named too... And it's only now that it's "dangerous territory". That's perplexing.

    I was looking at it based on reports I am seeing particularly over the past few days (I've been catching up having been travelling for a few days). What I was trying to avoid was having to go back through the whole thread, although I do recall that some action has certainly been taken since that thread was moved from AH

    It had been very quiet for an extended period, but then burst to life over the past few days, and that is what drew my attention to it this time. I can see though that many deletions have been made by mods throughout the existence of the thread, but I have little doubt that many will have been missed largely down to the lack of reports of such posts


  • #409
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Beasty wrote: »
    I was looking at it based on reports I am seeing particularly over the past few days (I've been catching up having been travelling for a few days). What I was trying to avoid was having to go back through the whole thread, although I do recall that some action has certainly been taken since that thread was moved from AH

    It had been very quiet for an extended period, but then burst to life over the past few days, and that is what drew my attention to it this time. I can see though that many deletions have been made by mods throughout the existence of the thread, but I have little doubt that many will have been missed largely down to the lack of reports of such posts

    From what I can see, it's the same 3 or 4 posters adding nothing to the thread, and instead repeat themselves and throw out insults like confetti.

    Whatever about Maria Bailey not admitting fraud or being convicted, she has been caught barefaced lying about the amounts involved and which she was covered under insurance for. This is in the public domain by way of a radio interview she gave, therefore it's not unreasonable that she be subject to greater scrutiny.


  • #410
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    pablo128 wrote: »
    From what I can see, it's the same 3 or 4 posters adding nothing to the thread, and instead repeat themselves and throw out insults like confetti.

    Whatever about Maria Bailey not admitting fraud or being convicted, she has been caught barefaced lying about the amounts involved and which she was covered under insurance for. This is in the public domain by way of a radio interview she gave, therefore it's not unreasonable that she be subject to greater scrutiny.

    THAT same 3-4 are the only ones to thank the Mod for closing down the thread.

    Is this right? Surely a case where one mob rule has taken precedence over another?

    And all this while the Maria Bailey charade still has a distance to run. We only have to wait until She makes a move or a GE is called.

    And remember AFTER the outcome over MB, there is still AF, Madigan, and ultimately Varadker.

    Are comments on all these also going to be subjected to being poleaxed by a certain few government trolls until the topic is ( again ) shut down??


  • #411
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Look, set up a new thread about the “insurance crisis”, if you want.

    That thread was closed because about 5 or 6 users wouldn’t let it die. It became a dump for a certain cohort who seemed to be “mobilised” just to keep the thread alive.

    Then you had people posting any insurance related story, then they’d tack on a little piece about Bailey with the sign off of “we’ll remember this code election time” or “I used to be a FG voter but no more”, obviously they were never a FG voter but it sounds good to the ones with “the cause”.

    After that the thread became a place to drag in anyone else who made a, somewhat, “bogie” claim and started to dry up people’s insurance renewals were brought in. The idea being to drag this thread over the post count limit, of course.

    I mean, my insurance went up this year but not by much and I had moved to a bigger car so I expected it but you had lads screaming about how theirs had gone up by €500 and this was all Bailey’s fault. Honestly, that woman is the greatest thing to happen to the insurance industry here in a long, long, time.

    Was her claim “frivolous”, sure. Was it fraud, don’t think so. She came off the swing, no doubt about that. Should she have held on properly, definitely. There’s warnings on hot beverage containers because someone got scalded. Hopefully the Dean have a sign up by the swings now too.

    I’d say a couple of posters, especially the one who was like a dog with a bone on this, will be devastated it closed, as they will be lost trying to fill the void but it was, clearly, the right call.

    The story died after the party punished Bailey, something the gang had been screaming for day in day out. Once that was done it was just more dumping of insurance related stories and hoping to “topple” the government.

    Just my “2 cents”, thank you for your time.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #412
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Beasty wrote: »
    I was looking at it based on reports I am seeing particularly over the past few days (I've been catching up having been travelling for a few days). What I was trying to avoid was having to go back through the whole thread, although I do recall that some action has certainly been taken since that thread was moved from AH

    It had been very quiet for an extended period, but then burst to life over the past few days, and that is what drew my attention to it this time. I can see though that many deletions have been made by mods throughout the existence of the thread, but I have little doubt that many will have been missed largely down to the lack of reports of such posts


    It is actually quite simple.
    See the thanks you get on your post that closed the thread. Minus EmmetSpiceland
    Those 5 or 6 have been trying to get the thread closed 5 minutes after Miss Bailey fell on her arse.

    Those 5 or 6 have been doing nothing but trying to derail the thread and kept baitng and insulting everybody who didnt belong to that selective group of ..... all because they wanted the thread closed.

    And now they got it done.

    I have many Dutch words for that decision and for the above mentioned group.
    Very few of those words are nice.


  • #413
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    inforfun wrote: »
    It is actually quite simple.
    See the thanks you get on your post that closed the thread.
    Those 5 or 6 have been trying to get the thread closed 5 minutes after Miss Bailey feel on her arse.

    Those 5 or 6 have been doing nothing but trying to derail the thread and kept baitng and insulting everybody who didnt belong to that selective group of ..... all because they wanted the thread closed.

    And now they got it done.

    I have many Dutch words for that decision and for the above mentioned group.
    Very few of those words are nice.

    Excuse me? I “thanked” that post and I never once tried to have the thread closed.

    I was happy to see it closed as it became a dead horse for a few, “militant”, posters to flog throughout the day. Regurgitating old news, dragging in random insurance news, making cracks about how the “gubbermint” will fall and working in shifts to ensure it rarely dropped off that first page.

    I could say exactly the same thing regarding that “cohort”, anyone who didn’t think Maria Bailey was the devil was pilloried as some sort of government “operative”.

    No one wanted it closed but it was getting dragged back to life like something from ‘Flatliners’ by some “hardliners” with, seemingly, very little else to be doing.

    Please do not misrepresent me again. Thank you.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #414
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Post edited. Sorry.

    Dont agree with you though.
    We dont control the drip feeding of the media but i ll bet you this isnt the last we have heard about it.
    And again, the continued attempts of those 4 or 5 to get the thread closed since the beginning has been rewarded.

    Apparently that is how it works with threads you dont like. Just start insulting the regular posters and get it locked.

    That might annoy me more than the thread being closed, actually.


  • #415
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    inforfun wrote: »
    Post edited. Sorry.

    Dont agree with you though.
    We dont control the drip feeding of the media but i ll bet you this isnt the last we have heard about it.
    And again, the continued attempts of those 4 or 5 to get the thread closed since the beginning has been rewarded.

    Apparently that is how it works with threads you dont like. Just start insulting the regular posters and get it locked.

    That might annoy me more than the thread being closed, actually.

    The "regular posters" on that thread spent as much time throwing abuse at anyone who interrupted their circle-jerk as anyone else - but that doesn't suit the narrative.

    The thread closure is more symptomatic of the general lack of modding on CA/IMHO than anything else. Ignore breaches until things descend into back and forth abuse and the thread is nothing more than trench warfare.

    No surprise that there's plenty of the same posters who were involved in dragging the original Politics Cafe into the gutter are rearing their heads in the same manner in CA again


  • #416
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    blackwhite wrote: »

    No surprise that there's plenty of the same posters who were involved in dragging the original Politics Cafe into the gutter are rearing their heads in the same manner in CA again

    On the general point of modding the forum we've tried to see how it evolves. One consequence of not intervening as much as some would like though is we can start to see patterns with certain posters

    A case perhaps of "give them enough rope" as one or two posters have already discovered

    Back to the specifics of this thread I've taken onboard representations made via PM (from both sides of the "divide") and some of that will inform future actions. In the meantime though please do not name names or give clues such as who thanked who to cast aspersions in this thread. This is not a place to deal with individual posters

    Thanks


  • #417
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    blackwhite wrote: »
    The "regular posters" on that thread spent as much time throwing abuse at anyone who interrupted their circle-jerk as anyone else - but that doesn't suit the narrative.

    The thread closure is more symptomatic of the general lack of modding on CA/IMHO than anything else. Ignore breaches until things descend into back and forth abuse and the thread is nothing more than trench warfare.

    No surprise that there's plenty of the same posters who were involved in dragging the original Politics Cafe into the gutter are rearing their heads in the same manner in CA again

    Let me take you a post of one of those i was talking about. It was his 2nd post in the thread, over 3 months ago now:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110527316&postcount=4985
    Put down the doobie and take off the sunglasses of delusion mi amigo. You're hearing hooves and immediately thinking there's a herd of zebra.

    This isn't the water gate scandal that you and a bunch of online cranks are about to blow wide open. It's a storm in a teacup that most people have already forgotten about.

    If you keep that baiting and throwing insults at people up for over 3 months, as he has, of course you ll get some **** thrown back at you at 1 point.


  • #418
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    inforfun wrote: »
    Let me take you a post of one of those i was talking about. It was his 2nd post in the thread, over 3 months ago now:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110527316&postcount=4985



    If you keep that baiting and throwing insults at people up for over 3 months, as he has, of course you ll get some **** thrown back at you at 1 point.

    TBH - you're being incredibly selective about which posts you're choosing to get offended by.

    There's been abuse from day 1 on that thread thrown at anyone who doesn't blindly agree with the regulars. There's been a cadre of thread-spoilers throwing similar at them, but neither side is in a position to claim moral high ground.

    It is interesting to see a mod (even if not of the forum under discussion), on the feedback forum, stating that abuse is fine depending on who's dishing it out though. Gives an insight into how impartial things can be :rolleyes:


  • #419
    lola85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    That thread went mad.

    People were coming in and writing bump with a smiley face each day just to keep it relevant.

    Was boring after a while.


  • #420
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    this behaviour occurs on both sides (often more than two sides!) of any thread and mods are often damned if they act early and damned if they don't

    ive taken to reporting anything i dont like, as per numerous and repeated mod instruction, but id be a one-eyed liar if i couldnt admit that it very often boils down to "that post/comment is close to the line but i agree with him so im gonna leave off reporting it" or vice-versa

    after that, its just different levels of tolerance for zingy answers or righteous ad-hom. and those tolerance levels really do seem to swing for a lot of posters based on whether they agree with someone or not.


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  • #421
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    lola85 wrote: »
    That thread went mad.

    People were coming in and writing bump with a smiley face each day just to keep it relevant.

    Was boring after a while.

    that bump was just maria falling off things every day :-)


  • #422
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Where do i say it is fine from 1 side but not from the other?
    Just stating that 1 was doing it from day 1 on.

    Also not sure what me being a mod elsewhere has to do with this, tbh.
    Certainly not in combination with that horrible rolleye smiley.
    If there is 1 thing that should disappear from this site, it is that twat.


  • #423
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    lola85 wrote: »
    That thread went mad.

    People were coming in and writing bump with a smiley face each day just to keep it relevant.

    Was boring after a while.

    Out of 9400+ posts in 4 months:

    7a46c9c96dc79a943a2701b499c27548.png

    3 such posts. Hardly each day
    And look at the culprits.


  • #424
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    inforfun wrote: »
    Let me take you a post of one of those i was talking about. It was his 2nd post in the thread, over 3 months ago now:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110527316&postcount=4985



    If you keep that baiting and throwing insults at people up for over 3 months, as he has, of course you ll get some **** thrown back at you at 1 point.


    I'd like to point out at this point that I never had any problem with posters on that thread, haven't reported posts and was saddened to see the thread closed. So don't go blaming me that the thread got closed.


  • #425
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    I'd like to point out at this point that I never had any problem with posters on that thread, haven't reported posts and was saddened to see the thread closed. So don't go blaming me that the thread got closed.

    I don't detect much sincerity, it was no coincidence the thread tipped over into farce when you started littering it with thinly-veiled insults.


  • #426
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    blackwhite wrote: »
    The thread closure is more symptomatic of the general lack of modding on CA/IMHO than anything else.

    The forum is moderated as good as it can be. Any more moderation and you’ll just have bans and those users coming back to “attack” the site.

    I’d like to see less moderation, if I’m honest. Mods only coming in to deal with the highest offences. I’d also remove the “report” button altogether. The fact people report posts simply on the basis that they “don’t agree with it” is shocking. And I’d say the amount of posts reported is staggering.

    The forum is, and has proven to be, an excellent, and welcome, “buffer” for the “After Hours” forum.

    It’s taken the majority of racist, bigots, nut-jobs, loonies, pedants, malcontents, misogynists (although not enough), homophobes, cranks, oddballs, whingers and every other type of “undesirable” from AH and given them a place to air their views, bicker and fight without normal users having to bear witness.

    I would also suggest removing the link to the “Current Affairs” forum from AH, the more distance between them the better.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #427
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't detect much sincerity, it was no coincidence the thread tipped over into farce when you started littering it with thinly-veiled insults.


    I am being sincere. I enjoyed posting in that thread - I like the cut and thrust of a good political debate. I was keeping the thread alive more than most, I'd opine.



    I'm sure the mods can confirm I didn't report a single insult sent my way, and there were plenty. I suspect the thread was closed as the mods got sick of the incessant reporting and bickering and complaining emanating from that thread. Threads generally get locked when they become a "time sink" for the mods.


  • #428
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    If you don't like a thread or have no interest in it, don't post in or read it. Pretty simple.
    Everything said about Bailey was based on her getting caught out. She hung herself.
    We'd about 4 or 5 lads that would come in every so often to slag off people for posting in the thread. A few never even mentioned Bailey at all.
    The thread was closed by a little pack of trolls who for some reason wanted it shut down. Not the first time either.


  • #429
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Hardly much point losing the head over a thread closure, there's plenty of scope to still discuss Maria's unfortunate run of events.

    There's CCTV footage out there, that is bound to be leaked.

    Ditto the report Leo couldnt decide if the public should see, or not..............

    until the moment he had actually seen it and realised just what in under fcuk these gombeens had been getting up to.

    Likewise, Madigans role.

    It's not everyday you have a government running a welfare cheats campaign, and then circle the wagons when it emerges that one of their own TDs basically "overstated their injuries" and Provided “inconsistencies to their party leader and the media” which he “could not reconcile”;


    I believe the comments above from the admin team was that they had issues with people stating that Bailey committed fraud, as she neither admitted that, nor has she been convicted of same.

    However, does that leave the door open for a thread solely to discuss both her actions, and the unprecedented run of events, both leading up to the story, and since the story broke?

    If not, why not? There's a thread that's been running for years now about another figure in the political spotlight, that of a certain Mr Jeff Rudd, with a few posters in here highly outspoken about the bailey thread being fairly high net contributors to that particular one. Hypocrisy, no?

    It might be an uncomfortable situation to be in, having someone of Maria Bailey's character in your ranks, but it's FGs uncomfortable situation to deal with.


    Just because the thread is shut definitely doesn't mean the subject of discussion is.


  • #430
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    I'd like to point out at this point that I never had any problem with posters on that thread, haven't reported posts and was saddened to see the thread closed. So don't go blaming me that the thread got closed.

    Saddened to see the thread closed? You are having a laugh Paddy. If you are saddened, then why did you thank Beasty for closing the thread?

    Give me a break.


  • #431
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    inforfun wrote: »
    Out of 9400+ posts in 4 months:

    7a46c9c96dc79a943a2701b499c27548.png

    3 such posts. Hardly each day
    And look at the culprits.

    Thank You,and one of the 'culprits' has the neck to say he's saddened the thread closed down....( no eye rolling ).


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  • #432
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    I am being sincere. I enjoyed posting in that thread - I like the cut and thrust of a good political debate. I was keeping the thread alive more than most, I'd opine.



    I'm sure the mods can confirm I didn't report a single insult sent my way, and there were plenty. I suspect the thread was closed as the mods got sick of the incessant reporting and bickering and complaining emanating from that thread. Threads generally get locked when they become a "time sink" for the mods.

    What’s this obsession with someone reporting?

    I honestly thought we were ALL above that. I personally can say the idea of reporting never even crossed my mind.


  • #433
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    3 consecutive posts in a row. Not a good look.


  • #434
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    3 consecutive posts in a row. Not a good look.

    Three consecutive posts in a row...even worse grammar.


  • #435
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Hopefully the Dean have a sign up by the swings now too.

    I Hope you're taking the P*ss....


    OP of the thread here.
    I feel the thread is till relevant, Maria Bailey declared she was ready to move on 6 days ago (she might be, the rest of us aren't)

    I think the thread should be kept open until at least the next general election.
    Once the public decide on whether they want Maria Bailey or not, at that stage, the thread can be closed (as it is then no longer relevant)

    Having re-read the last few pages of thread it's clear that there are big FG supporters attempting to get the thread removed/locked etc.

    A lot of people feel there will be an election before Xmas, and all parties are in clean up mode. (For that reason alone it should be left open)


  • #436
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    3 consecutive posts in a row. Not a good look.
    Do not post if you cannot do so in a constructive manner


  • #437
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Beta Ray Bill wrote: »
    I Hope you're taking the P*ss....

    OP of the thread here.
    I feel the thread is till relevant, Maria Bailey declared she was ready to move on 6 days ago (she might be, the rest of us aren't)

    I think the thread should be kept open until at least the next general election.
    Once the public decide on whether they want Maria Bailey or not, at that stage, the thread can be closed (as it is then no longer relevant)

    Having re-read the last few pages of thread it's clear that there are big FG supporters attempting to get the thread removed/locked etc.

    A lot of people feel there will be an election before Xmas, and all parties are in clean up mode. (For that reason alone it should be left open)

    Of course I’m not “taking the piss”. If they want to avoid any frivolous, not fraudulent, claims they should, most definitely, put up a sign. In fact, they should take them down altogether. What were they thinking putting swings in a pub??

    The insurance “crisis”, relevant.
    Possible general election, relevant.
    Marie Bailey swing, no longer relevant.

    Set up new threads on insurance and on the general election, reopening this one will just be more “dumps” of both of those topics and very little about Bailey, herself.

    I get that it might have stung a bit for you, personally, as it now terminates your 15 minutes of Boards “fame”. Especially since it got so close to the 10k limit, some see that as a “badge of honour” so that is a shame, for you.

    Any dissenting voices in that thread were lambasted out of it. You think that is going to lead “constructive” debate? Then you have users accusing other users of being “trolls”, even ones who’s own username is “trolling”. The irony.

    Not to mention the “accusations”, which I believe are against the forum rules, of a bunch of users, I’ve lost count at this stage, being the one user. These types then follow you, across the Boards, like a bad smell hurling these “insults”.

    The thread served its purpose for a few weeks. Then, once the summer recess commenced you just had that “mobilised” cell constantly “resuscitating” the thread with cries of ‘we can’t let this die!!’. It became a pathetic pantomime and that is why, I assume, it was locked.

    I look forward to those, suggested, threads being set up. And I do hope that, once they are, the debate is “robust” and constructive without the need for, baseless, accusations and, unnecessary, insults.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #438
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I get that it might have stung a bit for you, personally, as it now terminates your 15 minutes of Boards “fame”. Especially since it got so close to the 10k limit, some see that as a “badge of honour” so that is a shame, for you.
    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I look forward to those, suggested, threads being set up. And I do hope that, once they are, the debate is “robust” and constructive without the need for, baseless, accusations and, unnecessary, insults.

    You literally just insulted me four lines prior to your unnecessary insults remark. :confused:

    Perhaps you're right though about the thread, I just think people forget about the questionable things our elected politicians do/say at election time.
    Hence the reason I said to keep it going until election time. (which is fair I think)


  • #439
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Beta Ray Bill wrote: »
    You literally just insulted me four lines prior to your unnecessary insults remark. :confused:

    Perhaps you're right though about the thread, I just think people forget about the questionable things our elected politicians do/say at election time.
    Hence the reason I said to keep it going until election time. (which is fair I think)

    Apologies, B, but I’m not seeing any “insult” there at all. None was intended.

    Do you not think that an election “megathread” would be a better idea?

    Coupled with a thread on the insurance “crisis” I believe that all ground would be “covered”.

    Ms. Bailey could feature in both threads but I don’t believe a story about someone faking a slip on a tin of beans in a supermarket or a judge’s ridiculous pay out ruling belong in a thread about Bailey.

    Anyway, just to re-iterate, there was no insult intended.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #440
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Had several doubts about CA initially, happy that I was very wrong.

    Great job, folks.


  • #441
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Do you not think that an election “megathread” would be a better idea?

    Yes
    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Coupled with a thread on the insurance “crisis” I believe that all ground would be “covered”.

    Yes, possibly, so long as they are separate I suppose


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  • #442
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Had several doubts about CA initially, happy that I was very wrong.

    Great job, folks.

    I am the opposite. I proposed CA but the complete lack of fair moderation has made it a dumping ground for insults, rants & repeating the same points over & over again.

    I suspect that the idea is to put all the dross in one place & leave it to fester.


  • #443
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The interesting thing about character is it always comes to the fore eventually. All you need do is look at who has been throwing out the insults over the last few pages to see some of the culprits who worked to get the thread closed.


  • #444
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    It was very wrong to close the Bailey thread in my opinion. In terms of Boards impartiality, humanity was crossed.


  • #445
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    It was very wrong to close the Bailey thread in my opinion. In terms of Boards impartiality, humanity was crossed.

    Considering she was named today as having made claims for expenses totalling almost 2k that were "ineligible" - it just goes to show that my earlier assertion that trying to stifle debate on her shenanigans is futile.

    Perhaps the lads who arguably added to the threads closure, despite being "genuinely disappointed that it was so" will now be rejoicing that she's once again at the forefront of discussion involving her obtaining/trying to obtain money she did not deserve to receive.

    Edit, and she's also back trending on Twitter.


  • #446
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I've seen the new thread which arguably may be a better one to discuss some of the wider issues raised in the earlier thread

    One thing I will commit to is keeping an eye on the thread for the sort of issues that were highlighted in connection with the earlier one. I would though still encourage posters to report stuff they may have an issue with. I may not be readily available but I do look at all reports from CA that have not already clearly been reviewed by another mod. Even if I am around it can take time to work out context


  • #447
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Some of those threads seem super attractive to rereg trolls I see


  • #448
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    It was very wrong to close the Bailey thread in my opinion. In terms of Boards impartiality, humanity was crossed.
    The closure was all my doing - there were no other Admins around at the time. Hence it's not one you can put down to the site (but you can of course put it down to me)


  • #449
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Some things never change:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/tds-senators-expenses-dail-maria-bailey-4845883-Oct2019/


  • #450
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Some things never change:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/tds-senators-expenses-dail-maria-bailey-4845883-Oct2019/

    Ah, Sir Apropos of Nothing, we meet again.

    Try here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058021984

    The thread did drop off the first page, so it’s understandable you missed it, but I’m sure one of your “group” will be along to ensure that doesn’t happen again.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #451
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Ah, Sir Apropos of Nothing, we meet again.

    Try here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058021984

    The thread did drop off the first page, so it’s understandable you missed it, but I’m sure one of your “group” will be along to ensure that doesn’t happen again.

    Just leave this here.

    inforfun wrote: »
    Out of 9400+ posts in 4 months:

    7a46c9c96dc79a943a2701b499c27548.png

    3 such posts. Hardly each day
    And look at the culprits.


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