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Dreamer of the year (Arcade Edition)

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  • #702
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    If only that were true. You see dirt being bought every day for over odds money, & once an item sells for over the odds, it affects what relative items are worth. It all has a knock on affect.

    Your right in that the likes of that filthy rare av port Snes won't sell at that money, but there are many other examples of stuff that has sold over the odds.

    RAGE for example get over the odds, near retail prices for games don't they? In such a case, thats going to affect peoples perception of what those games are actually worth

    One person selling something higher than everyone else can't affect the market value unless they control supply.

    The market value is whatever people are willing to pay, and if there's a whole bunch of new retro gamers willing to pay 'over the odds' for something, well that's just the way it goes. With something like that overpriced SNES, it's just going to sit there unsold and have no effect.

    RAGE is no different to any other shop selling used items. They have overheads and a need for profit that a private seller doesnt. It doesnt affect market prices any more than a car dealer charging more for a used car compared to a private seller.


  • #703
    OwaynOTT
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    One person selling something higher than everyone else can't affect the market value unless they control supply.

    The market value is whatever people are willing to pay, and if there's a whole bunch of new retro gamers willing to pay 'over the odds' for something, well that's just the way it goes. With something like that overpriced SNES, it's just going to sit there unsold and have no effect.

    RAGE is no different to any other shop selling used items. They have overheads and a need for profit that a private seller doesnt. It doesnt affect market prices any more than a car dealer charging more for a used car compared to a private seller.

    Car dealer is selling expertise and a product that is checked and with a warranty, should be anyway.
    Some of the stuff from the rage is manky dirty and from their pricing at times I wouldn't call them experts.


  • #704
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    One person selling something higher than everyone else can't affect the market value unless they control supply.

    The market value is whatever people are willing to pay, and if there's a whole bunch of new retro gamers willing to pay 'over the odds' for something, well that's just the way it goes. With something like that overpriced SNES, it's just going to sit there unsold and have no effect.

    RAGE is no different to any other shop selling used items. They have overheads and a need for profit that a private seller doesnt. It doesnt affect market prices any more than a car dealer charging more for a used car compared to a private seller.

    Ok man, whatever you say :)

    In the real world, the boxed PS1's were a prime example of it...they were bought for €35 & then start appearing AND SELLING for much bigger money elsewhere. At the time, I did start noticing more PS1's cropping up for over the odds money, because as mentioned above by Retr0, some people got 'cash in the attic' syndrome & it artificially raised the prices. It could have died down again by now, but all isn't as clear cut 1+1=2 as you make it out to be.

    Personally, I don't give a toss what people charge for items, overpriced or not it helps to have a rough idea of what something is actually worth when dealing in retro games. Some stuff is hard to price, some isn't, its hard not to get annoyed seeing people literally 'dreaming' about what their manky rare snes is worth


  • #705
    Andrew76
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Ok man, whatever you say :)

    In the real world, the boxed PS1's were a prime example of it

    I was about to post the PS1 scenario. Originally sold for €35, re-appeared and sold for €150.


  • #706
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Ok man, whatever you say :)

    In the real world, the boxed PS1's were a prime example of it

    'Whatever I say' are accepted market principles. In the real world. Im not making stuff up for the fun of it. Somebody throwing an overpriced SNES on adverts isn't raising the market price.

    A boxed NOS PS1 was always worth way more than €35. The original seller had no idea what they were worth. Once they got out onto the wider market and people starting paying *whatever* for them, that's what they were worth. Again you're complaining about normal market behaviour.


  • #707
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    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    Car dealer is selling expertise and a product that is checked and with a warranty, should be anyway.
    Some of the stuff from the rage is manky dirty and from their pricing at times I wouldn't call them experts.
    What's that got to do with the price of spuds? If you have a problem with RAGE take it up with them. Im explaining that a retailer of used goods naturally charges higher than a private seller. It doesnt raise market prices for everyone else.


  • #708
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    'Whatever I say' are accepted market principles. In the real world. Im not making stuff up for the fun of it.

    I didn't say you were, but the world of whatever books say, & the real world, don't always intertwine. Even less so when it comes to retro video games, in the bigger picture its a niche market, & the stupidiest of things can & do affect values. It's not retail, & doesn't always follow accepted models of commerce.
    Somebody throwing an overpriced SNES on adverts isn't raising the market price.

    No, but if that Snes sells...you then have other sellers watching & asking more for the same item. Surely you'd know this with all your knowledge of 'accepted market principles' that actively govern 'real world' markets?
    A boxed NOS PS1 was always worth way more than €35. The original seller had no idea what they were worth. Once they got out onto the wider market and people starting paying *whatever* for them, that's what they were worth. Again you're complaining about normal market behaviour.

    So cheap price becomes dear price & sells. Dear price is now 'accepted' value. Your making my point for me with your own argument. And don't try tell me those PS1's were worth the stupid money that they were selling for, because they wern't. It is possible to overcharge/overpay for items.


  • #709
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's that got to do with the price of spuds? If you have a problem with RAGE take it up with them. Im explaining that a retailer of used goods naturally charges higher than a private seller. It doesnt raise market prices for everyone else.

    In the world of retro games, it can...and does. Hard to believe you can't see that happening


  • #710
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    No, but if that Snes sells...you then have other sellers watching & asking more for the same item. Surely you'd know this with all your knowledge of 'accepted market principles' that actively govern 'real world' markets?

    It wont sell, there's tonnes of available ones for €30 or €40 on the same site.

    Its worth whatever people will pay. If hypothetically all the sellers on adverts put the prices at €100 and people were willing to pay €100, that would be the value of a SNES, simple as that.

    But people aren't willing to pay that much, so they wouldn't sell and sellers would have to drop their prices.
    So cheap price becomes dear price & sells. Dear price is now 'accepted' value. Your making my point for me with your own argument. And don't try tell me those PS1's were worth the stupid money that they were selling for, because they wern't. It is possible to overcharge/overpay for items.

    If you know anything about retro consoles (and I assume you know plenty) then you'd have seen those PS1s were worth way more than €35 from the get go. Lots of other people clearly did and snapped them up. Anybody spending even a few minutes browsing ebay knows that NOS consoles fetch a decent amount more than a used one.


  • #711
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It wont sell, there's tonnes of available ones for €30 or €40 on the same site.

    Its worth whatever people will pay. If hypothetically all the sellers on adverts put the prices at €100 and people were willing to pay €100, that would be the value of a SNES, simple as that.

    But people aren't willing to pay that much, so they wouldn't sell and sellers would have to drop their prices.

    Yes that particular Snes won't sell, because its filthy, badly worded, badly advertised, & an all round terrible ad. But take a clean one, ask over the odds by €40 for it, introduce someone who isn't well up on them, has seen them prices in RAGE etc, & buys it.

    Now take seller B, sees seller A's overpriced one selling, & decides to advertise his at the same over inflated price. Etc etc. That does happen, I and a few others here will testify to it, I've seen it with my own eyes. Its how prices get artificially driven up
    If you know anything about retro consoles (and I assume you know plenty) then you'd have seen those PS1s were worth way more than €35 from the get go. Lots of other people clearly did and snapped them up. Anybody spending even a few minutes browsing ebay knows that NOS consoles fetch a decent amount more than a used one.

    Yes no denying they were worth more than €35, but worth <>the €200 being asked & got for them?? Most certainly not man. They were overpriced, & people overpaid for them at such prices. After that I seen quite a few boxed PS1's on adverts, not new, only boxed, advertised for stupid money & some selling too.

    This has happened man, I'm not making it up :)


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  • #712
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    EnterNow wrote: »


    Yes no denying they were worth more than €35, but worth <>the €200 being asked & got for them?? Most certainly not man. They were overpriced, & people overpaid for them at such prices. After that I seen quite a few boxed PS1's on adverts, not new, only boxed, advertised for stupid money & some selling too.

    This has happened man, I'm not making it up :)

    Its not worth €200 to me because ive no interest in it. Its no use to me sitting in a box and at that price im not willing to take the gamble that I can sell it for more in a few years.

    But clearly it is worth 200 to someone if they bought it at that price. Either collectors or speculators who are hoping it will be worth even more than 200 some day.

    And if a lot of people were paying that, then that becomes the market value. That's just the way it goes. Things are worth what people are willing to pay.

    Good luck to anyone who got them at 35 but the realistic market value was 150+ long before those ones showed up here.


  • #713
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Things are worth what people are willing to pay

    So you don't subscribe to the notion that sellers can overcharge & buyers can overpay? If someone pays over the odds for something, that doesn't mean it was worth the price :confused:

    They wern't worth €150+ either, if I was to hazard a guess I'd say in or around €100 would be the the price for them.


  • #714
    OwaynOTT
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's that got to do with the price of spuds? If you have a problem with RAGE take it up with them. Im explaining that a retailer of used goods naturally charges higher than a private seller. It doesnt raise market prices for everyone else.

    You just used a poor example and I've no problem with the shop at all.


  • #715
    CiDeRmAn
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    In all honesty, the pricing of items on Adverts is relevant, the inflated prices threatens, in time, to drive the price up overall, the rotation of ads in high and while cheaper examples might be findable with a search but many older unsold ads are not replied to.
    When someone else then goes to put a similar item they will look at the prevailing prices and get an idea of the appropriate amount to charge.
    If more people set unrealistic prices, we end up with a new average, and people end up with less choice of reasonably priced items.
    As for RAGE, we have a rarity now, a bricks and mortar retro games shop but one that prices games at the absolute upper end of the valuation to be seen on auction sites.
    This naturally feels an unfair exploitation of the customer, who has an expectation of a good deal, not a bargain every time but at least feel that they aren't a resource to be squeezed ever time we decide to buy.
    Now, I'm not naive, I know that the businesses only job is to make profit but then they purport to be down with the lads, gamers all, before slipping their hand into our pockets and charging 10/20% over the odds for a game and get away with it by being the only shop, for the moment, to be committed to selling such items.
    That said, there is some overlap with CEX on Liffey St, where things appear far more reasonably priced.

    No one wants to be ripped off.
    Just because you have a bricks and mortar shop does not give licence to over charge.
    We, as users of these games for longer than most, know what we are talking about.
    And this is why, instead of us, here on this forum, shopping there all the time we just pay the very occasional visit, preferring online sources instead where the games true value is more accurately reflected, overall.


  • #716
    Retr0gamer
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    It's not a case of the market price going up because the value of these items is going up. My problem is that adverts.ie has been totally ruined by this ridiculous overpricing. It used to be a place to get a fair deal or the odd bargain. It's now a place I don't even consider looking at anymore.
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  • #717
    CosmicSmash
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    I think one of the reasons game values are rising is because it has never been as popular to play old games. I also believe the majority of people who post here have being playing these games before the "retro" game term was coined and definitely long before the Rage opened. When they opened their prices seemed more reasonable, if people continue to pay over the odds prices they will continue to charge them. The opportunity is there for any potential customer of the Rage to check a price online from another source before purchasing it there.
    What happened when the seller flooded the market with them PS1 at 30 euro each when they were worth much more than that actually devalued them. At that stage there were people that were buying them in multiples from the shop. A poster over on Adverts told me he had twenty and judging by his completed sales I had no reason to dibelieve him. At that time they were available to anybody that frequented adverts for the sum of 30 euros. I sold one to a speculator who stuck it straight on Ebay and that seems to happen with a lot of the half decent stuff that turns up on Adverts.


  • #718
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    It's not a case of the market price going up because the value of these items is going up. My problem is that adverts.ie has been totally ruined by this ridiculous overpricing. It used to be a place to get a fair deal or the odd bargain. It's now a place I don't even consider looking at anymore.

    But if things are overpriced they won't sell and the seller will have to lower the price if he wants to shift it. And if he doesnt, then tough luck to him. That eejit has been sitting on the SNES for months, his loss not mine.

    If things are what you consider overpriced and they do sell, ie you are being outbid on stuff, then it just means other buyers are willing to pay more than you. ie the market value on the item has gone up. That was always going to happen as retro gaming became more popular.


  • #719
    o1s1n
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    I do know what you're getting at.

    However, what collectors generally do is watch the trend in pricing over time an gauge what something should be selling at. (based on that product selling in and around that price consistently)

    If something is listed at say,twice the trend estimation some eejit pays it, it obviously doesn't make the item suddenly worth that much.

    What changes the value of something is if it is now consistently selling at the new, higher price.

    Believe me, when it comes to old consoles, that's really never the case. You have set figures at which most things sell at consistently. You'll get the odd nutter listing something way over regular pricing and then some even bigger nutter paying it - but if the bigger nutter just did a bit more searching he could get it for it's real value.


  • #720
    Retr0gamer
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    Market prices should affect prices globally especially with how free trade is at the moment. Rage and even more so adverts.ie are their own microcosm of bull****.
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  • #721
    johnny_ultimate
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    TBH.


  • #722
    o1s1n
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    IMG_3054.jpg

    Gotta love the little guy jumping out the window in the top left corner!


  • #723
    johnny_ultimate
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    Gotta love the little guy jumping out the window in the top left corner!

    It's Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil 4!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7ObADvZs8


  • #724
    ghostchant
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    Was offered a position as an algorithmic trader recently with 13-14 hour days minimum (not for the faint of heart), but took a different job. still in the same 'world' but not actually trading. fascinating stuff.

    So what does everyone here reckon a snes is worth right now?


  • #725
    Myrddin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    But if things are overpriced they won't sell

    But they can, & do.
    and the seller will have to lower the price if he wants to shift it. And if he doesnt, then tough luck to him. That eejit has been sitting on the SNES for months, his loss not mine.

    That ad is a poor example of your argument. Ebay is filled with examples of overpriced products that are dressed is very well & despite the overpricing, do indeed sell. Not because of demand, but because of ignorance and/or the way its marketed/advertised.
    If things are what you consider overpriced and they do sell, ie you are being outbid on stuff, then it just means other buyers are willing to pay more than you. ie the market value on the item has gone up. That was always going to happen as retro gaming became more popular.

    Again you seem to be completely unable to acknowledge that an overpriced product can be sold :confused: It must not be possible to be ripped off in your world because no matter how high the price is, if someone pays it then it becomes the new 'market value'. Its a very simplistic approach to a niche market man, if you don't mind my saying so

    Yes Retro gaming prices do rise over time, but not that much, and the going rate for items can be affected by other factors which you seem unwilling to admit the existence of, far more than the annual/trend rise


  • #726
    CosmicSmash
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    I do know what you're getting at.

    However, what collectors generally do is watch the trend in pricing over time an gauge what something should be selling at. (based on that product selling in and around that price consistently)

    If something is listed at say,twice the trend estimation some eejit pays it, it obviously doesn't make the item suddenly worth that much.

    What changes the value of something is if it is now consistently selling at the new, higher price.

    Believe me, when it comes to old consoles, that's really never the case. You have set figures at which most things sell at consistently. You'll get the odd nutter listing something way over regular pricing and then some even bigger nutter paying it - but if the bigger nutter just did a bit more searching he could get it for it's real value.

    I have been watching the finishing prices of mother 2 in Japan over the past month or so as I'm after a copy myself. A copy finished last night at over 32 dollars, I had set 31.33 dollars as my top end for a very good cib copy which this was. In my opinion it was worth no more than this and as this was past my price point I left it. The eventual buyer had feedback of 2 and I'm sure they were prepared to go much higher, this does not mean the game is worth anymore just because somebody wants to pay more for it on this occasion. The average price tells me I will get a very good copy for what I want to pay for it.

    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=330811169522


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  • #727
    o1s1n
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    ghostchant wrote: »
    So what does everyone here reckon a snes is worth right now?

    Depends if it's boxed, unboxed with everything or console only!


  • #728
    Myrddin
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    ghostchant wrote: »
    So what does everyone here reckon a snes is worth right now?

    An unboxed snes like the filthy av port one but in clean condition? €30/€40 if complete with cables & two pads would be my guess


  • #729
    o1s1n
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    ghostchant wrote: »
    Was offered a position as an algorithmic trader recently with 13-14 hour days minimum (not for the faint of heart), but took a different job. still in the same 'world' but not actually trading. fascinating stuff.

    So what does everyone here reckon a snes is worth right now?

    I've seen Snes console only units on ebay recently for 20 and not sell. They really are worth nothing really.

    Then you get that nutter who comes along and offers €100 for one on adverts.


  • #730
    Myrddin
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    Monkeykube wrote: »
    The average price tells me I will get a very good copy for what I want to pay for it.

    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=330811169522

    Agreed, I just bought a CIB copy for €30 on the nose. It doesn't miraculously become worth more if someone wants to pay €50 for it (identical condition)...it means they've paid over the odds for it...I seriously fail to see how anyone thinks otherwise


  • #731
    Myrddin
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    I've seen Snes console only units on ebay recently for 20 and not sell. They really are worth nothing really.

    Then you get that nutter who comes along and offers €100 for one on adverts.

    Ebay differs somewhat because you usually have to factor in postage


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  • #732
    ghostchant
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    EnterNow wrote: »

    An unboxed snes like the filthy av port one but in clean condition? €30/€40 if complete with cables & two pads would be my guess

    Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking, maybe on the upper end at 40e. I ask because the Rage seemed to be lumped in to some previous comments alongside private sellers asking in the region of 100e. The Rage sell them for 50e which I don't think is terrible given the need to turn a profit and the customer not having to ship from somewhere and having a place to bring it back to if any problems arise.


  • #733
    o1s1n
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Ebay differs somewhat because you usually have to factor in postage

    What if you live locally and can collect? :p

    The postage doesn't go to the seller. The item is 'still worth' what the auction ended at. Postage aside.


  • #734
    Myrddin
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    ghostchant wrote: »
    Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking, maybe on the upper end at 40e. I ask because the Rage seemed to be lumped in to some previous comments alongside private sellers asking in the region of 100e. The Rage sell them for 50e which I don't think is terrible given the need to turn a profit and the customer not having to ship from somewhere and having a place to bring it back to if any problems arise.

    €50 from a bricks n mortar store is grand I think
    o1s1n wrote: »
    What if you live locally and can collect? :p

    The postage doesn't go to the seller. The item is 'still worth' what the auction ended at. Postage aside.

    Oh it doesn't affect the value, but if a seller has €30 postage listed for a €20/30 Snes...not many folks are gonna bother with it :) So it kinda differs when the buyer has to factor in postage. If its a local collection, your down to the real value of the item of course...but we're lucky here in Dubln with collections etc


  • #735
    ghostchant
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    o1s1n wrote: »

    What if you live locally and can collect? :p

    The postage doesn't go to the seller. The item is 'still worth' what the auction ended at. Postage aside.

    If the postage is trivial compared to the price of what you're buying then sure. As someone who's imported arcade machines I'm sure you can appreciate that the total cost of the transaction is what you use to assess the item's value/worth/cost/whatever


  • #736
    Retr0gamer
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    40 would be my upper limit on an unboxed SNES. Even at that they are so common if you wait long enough you can get a hand me down or from a car boot sale for about the same price or less with a few games.

    A friend of mine was all set to get a Dreamcast from Rage for 50 euros and another 50 on Shenmue and maybe a few other games and prepared to travel a long way to get it. I told him to be patient because if you wait a while consoles like the Dreamcast are so common you are bound to pick one up with a bundle of games for less than 50.

    Lo and behold someone offered me a Dreamcast a few days later with a tonne of games including shenmue, controllers, lightgun and 2 VMUs for absolutely nothing which I passed on to my friend.

    Consoles are worth next to nothing really unless you are impatient or want to go for the more exotic or import machines.
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  • #737
    CosmicSmash
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Agreed, I just bought a CIB copy for €30 on the nose. It doesn't miraculously become worth more if someone wants to pay €50 for it (identical condition)...it means they've paid over the odds for it...I seriously fail to see how anyone thinks otherwise

    That's what happens when one person or even worse when you get two people bidding against each other who don't what it normally sells for. It was slightly above my first limit that I set of 30 but it was very clean and 30 would have bought it if it were not for the other bidder. I had a couple of gba games put by with that seller and wanted to combine the shipping but you have set your limit and stick to it. I will get my copy some day:pac:


  • #738
    CosmicSmash
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Consoles are worth next to nothing really unless you are impatient or want to go for the more exotic or import machines.

    Unboxed maybe so but boxed consoles in good condition will always have some value. Some unboxed stuff does change hands for very little.


  • #739
    o1s1n
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Oh it doesn't affect the value, but if a seller has €30 postage listed for a €20/30 Snes...not many folks are gonna bother with it :) So it kinda differs when the buyer has to factor in postage. If its a local collection, your down to the real value of the item of course...but we're lucky here in Dubln with collections etc
    ghostchant wrote: »
    If the postage is trivial compared to the price of what you're buying then sure. As someone who's imported arcade machines I'm sure you can appreciate that the total cost of the transaction is what you use to assess the item's value.

    Oh I know! I'm just saying (on a technical level as we're talking about pricing trends) that postage really has nothing to do with the actual value of an item.

    I could buy a Snes from someone in the UK for 30 & 10 postage, or the exact same snes from someone in Australia for 30 & 30 postage. Both end prices are completely different, but the console's value stays the same - 30.

    So you do have to factor in postage in your overall cost, but it fluctuates. If you want to watch the trending value of an actual item then it's auction price alone.


  • #740
    Myrddin
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    Monkeykube wrote: »
    That's what happens when one person or even worse when you get two people bidding against each other who don't what it normally sells for. It was slightly above my first limit that I set of 30 but it was very clean and 30 would have bought it if it were not for the other bidder. I had a couple of gba games put by with that seller and wanted to combine the shipping but you have set your limit and stick to it. I will get my copy some day:pac:

    The seller I listed in the 'get something new' thread has another one left listed at 40. He will accept €30 though, at least he did for me. Postage was another €9 from Japan :)


  • #741
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Monkeykube wrote: »
    Unboxed maybe so but boxed consoles in good condition will always have some value. Some unboxed stuff does change hands for very little.

    Which is grand for the bearded collector types. I on the other hand will rip it open and start playing it so couldn't give a toss about boxes.
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  • #742
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Oh I know! I'm just saying (on a technical level as we're talking about pricing trends) that postage really has nothing to do with the actual value of an item.

    We know man, we agree with ya :D All we're saying is the postal price can be the decider. It's completely irrelevant to the value of the item, but can be the difference between you buying it or not


  • #743
    ghostchant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭ghostchant


    o1s1n wrote: »

    I could buy a Snes from someone in the UK for 30 & 10 postage, or the exact same snes from someone in Australia for 30 & 30 postage. Both end prices are completely different, but the console's value stays the same - 30.

    So you do have to factor in postage in your overall cost, but it fluctuates. If you want to watch the trending value of an actual item then it's auction price alone.

    But I reckon that in this example you wouldn't buy the Australian snes unless it was less than (or for simplicity equal to) 10e, since you value the item at say 40e. So if the only buyers of Australian Snes's (sneses??) were European and the market value was static and ideal (in that everyone valued it the same), then they should sell for 10e or so, but you wouldn't sell it to a local for a penny less than 40e after it landed at your door.


  • #744
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
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    ghostchant wrote: »
    But I reckon that in this example you wouldn't buy the Australian snes unless it was less than (or for simplicity equal to) 10e, since you value the item at say 40e. So if the only buyers of Australian Snes's (sneses??) were European and the market value was static and ideal (in that everyone valued it the same), then they should sell for 10e or so, but you wouldn't sell it to a local for a penny less than 40e after it landed at your door.

    But that's the thing, the postage value fluctuates. I could buy that UK snes and then could see one listed in Ireland tomorrow that has free postage.

    Even postage from specific countries isn't standardized. I've seen consoles posted from the UK from 15 up to 40.

    So you obviously need to base your purchasing power on item price & postage, but when working out what the trending price of an item is, it's item only. Unless there's some crazy standardization across postage.


  • #745
    CosmicSmash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭CosmicSmash


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I on the other hand will rip it open and start playing it so couldn't give a toss about boxes.

    That's nice to know but they will always have some value to the bearded collector types as you put it even if you personally place no value on them.


  • #746
    OwaynOTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,564 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Which is grand for the bearded collector types. I on the other hand will rip it open and start playing it so couldn't give a toss about boxes.

    Hey! I don't have a beard but I do like them nice boxes.


  • #747
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I have a beard and I like boxes.

    I'm such a cliché :(


  • #748
    ghostchant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭ghostchant


    Well there's bound to be a degree of volatility in the prices :) how much a snes is really worth is somewhat static, perhaps it's a personal figure. But it's value is always going to be somewhat dynamic, and would partially depend on how much extra it'll cost to have in your hands after you've actually bought it. Our perceived value of Famicoms is higher than someone in Japan, due to both the supply and the fact that it'll cost an extra amount of money to actually get it here.

    But never mind all that, Sneses (it's a word now) are great :D that DC behaving itself?


  • #749
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Yep! It's working out great. Power button isn't sticking either. Had it hooked up to the projector a few times.

    It's currently being used as a test machine for SD card loading :)


  • #750
    CosmicSmash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭CosmicSmash


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I have a beard and I like boxes.

    I'm such a cliché :(

    I have no beard and no hair and I like boxes.:( That's why there's such a variety in the type of people that have an interest in games as players/collectors some people insist on original hardware others emulate, some go mint cib only some play original carts only while some use flash carts. Once you enjoy the way you play or collect that's the main thing in my opinion.


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  • #751
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    It must not be possible to be ripped off in your world because no matter how high the price is, if someone pays it then it becomes the new 'market value'. Its a very simplistic approach to a niche market man, if you don't mind my saying so

    Where did I say that?

    It's got nothing to do with one seller asking too much, or one buyer paying too much.

    But of course you know that I never said that, you're just trying to backtrack. My very first comment was that one seller on adverts can't drive the prices up. The prices only get driven up if its a sellers market and buyers (plural) are willing to pay more.


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