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Beef strike II what's a fair base price for the Autumn for R=3= steers?

  • 16-09-2019 1:11pm
    #1
    Water John
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    Look, the lads on the line don't trust the factories. That is a big factor. The factory reps were never in the room with the farm reps. Remember in NI they got Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley in one room at the end of talks.
    The picket doesn't trust that the base price will not be dropped. They want a base price of €3.8./3.75.

    What is a fair price in Euro/kg for an R=3= steer for the next 3 months? 138 votes

    3.45-3.55
    51% 71 votes
    3.55-3.65
    2% 3 votes
    3.65-3.75
    1% 2 votes
    3.75-3.85
    4% 6 votes
    3.85-3.95
    10% 15 votes
    3.95-4.00
    12% 17 votes
    4.00 or above
    8% 12 votes
    I don't know
    8% 12 votes


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  • #2
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Water John wrote: »
    Look, the lads on the line don't trust the factories. That is a big factor. The factory reps were never in the room with the farm reps. Remember in NI they got Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley in one room at the end of talks.
    The picket doesn't trust that the base price will not be dropped. They want a base price of €3.8./3.75.

    There'll be some twist, the rumours about larry controlling the Offal will be tested now that an independent factory has done a solo run. An independent gave in first in 2000 a fortnight before the rest

    Any word from the big Three


  • #3
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kk.man


    wrangler wrote: »
    Water John wrote: »
    Look, the lads on the line don't trust the factories. That is a big factor. The factory reps were never in the room with the farm reps. Remember in NI they got Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley in one room at the end of talks.
    The picket doesn't trust that the base price will not be dropped. They want a base price of €3.8./3.75.

    There'll be some twist, the rumours about larry controlling the Offal will be tested now that an independent factory has done a solo run. An independent gave in first in 2000 a fortnight before the rest

    Any word from the big Three
    I wouldn't put Liffey down as an independent. Mallon is well able to take care of himself. That's if rumours are true, there must be a lot of posturing behind the scenes.


  • #4
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    kk.man wrote: »
    I wouldn't put Liffey down as an independent. Mallon is well able to take care of himself. That's if rumours are true, there must be a lot of posturing behind the scenes.

    This deal is looks like a result for farmers , obviously the processors are not going to raise quotes in unison because of competition authority but it does show the power of farmers to flex their muscles in a wildcat format and if the processors don't play ball then the next strike could be terminal for some of them if targeted properly.


  • #5
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Setting up a new beef strike thread with a new poll attached. What is a fair base price €/kg for R=3= steer weighing 280-425kg DW from now to the 16th December?

    Old thread is here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058001013

    Mod note; Remember this thread will be strictly moderated. That means uncivil posters will be taking a 24hr break, then cards will be issued.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #6
    Donnielighto
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    Messing around with the factories isn't going to achieve anything. Farmers need to setup a national coop where shares are tied to active farmers only.


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  • #7
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Just posting this here in the chit chat thread if one of the mods could move it to the new strike thread when it opens thanks

    Meat industry Ireland on the radio just now talking about how depressed the beef market is and that's why base price is so low
    YET supermarkets are now out of Irish beef pretty much so there was no glut
    Yet supermarkets prices are a multiple of farm gate price

    The absolute untruths being told by factories seems obvious to me


  • #8
    YFlyer
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    Any support from Bord Bia?


  • #9
    Doctors room ghost
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Any support from Bord Bia?



    No.them boys are too busy going around looking for birdy sh1tes in milking parlors and drawing maps of rat poison stations in crayon.
    Flat out they are.
    Them boxes won’t tick themselves you know


  • #10
    Keep Sluicing
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    Time to withdraw the blockades. Allow lads to kill cattle. Regroupe, and return to the factory gates in the spring if the factorys are acting the maggot again.


  • #11
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    €3.80 base should be bottom line for heifers.


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  • #12
    wrangler
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    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Time to withdraw the blockades. Allow lads to kill cattle. Regroupe, and return to the factory gates in the spring if the factorys are acting the maggot again.

    Has the big three offered anything yet


  • #13
    Cavanjack
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    Liffey were to meet with protesters today? Anyone know did it happen?


  • #14
    Keep Sluicing
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    wrangler wrote: »
    Has the big three offered anything yet

    Like what? Kepack offered me 70 virgins and a bomb vest for a double


  • #15
    mf240
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    I wouldnt believe the radio in healys house.


  • #16
    mf240
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    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Like what? Kepack offered my 70 virgins and a bomb vest for a double

    A double vodka?


  • #17
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    ... and 7up??

    Deal!!


  • #18
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭mf240


    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Like what? Kepack offered me 70 virgins and a bomb vest for a double

    Just wondering what the other 69 young ladies are for. :D:D


  • #19
    patsy_mccabe
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    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Like what? Kepack offered me 70 virgins and a bomb vest for a double

    What would you do with 70 virgins? You've just blown the balls off yourself.
    (It's an old Billy Connolly joke.)

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #20
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    We've made top spot on the news!!!


  • #21
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Bad farmers. Bad bad farmers


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  • #22
    High bike
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    What would you do with 70 virgins? You've just blown the balls off yourself.
    (It's an old Billy Connolly joke.)
    sure u wouldn't have the strength to pull the cord in the vest after 70 of em:D


  • #23
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    3 days to cause outright chaos now lads


  • #24
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Like what? Kepack offered me 70. Virgin. And a bomb vest for a double

    Might be more realistic


  • #25
    Robson99
    Registered Users Posts: 4,365 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
    The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
    We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
    Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well


  • #26
    High bike
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    Robson99 wrote: »
    Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
    The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
    We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
    Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well
    I'd agree with u if somebody can confirm if the 3.75 has been offered


  • #27
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Any fella who was manning the pickets shouldnt worry about 3.75.i can hear it now "we re full up for weeks "


  • #28
    Snowfire
    Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭Snowfire


    High bike wrote: »
    I'd agree with u if somebody can confirm if the 3.75 has been offered

    Think they offered €375 apiece for a load of cattle, someone just misheard it as €3.75/kg ...!


  • #29
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely


  • #30
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Muckit wrote: »
    We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely
    I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
    https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19


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  • #31
    High bike
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    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
    https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19
    cheek of the ****er hope the has the balls to go to the ploughing


  • #32
    Cavanjack
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    Robson99 wrote: »
    Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
    The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
    We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
    Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well

    Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.


  • #33
    morphy87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

    Was thinking that,if 3 75 and bonuses were available lads would be willing to sell I reckon


  • #34
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.
    so where's all the ****e talk about 3.75 coming from?


  • #35
    morphy87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
    The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
    We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
    Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well

    Your right in all you said,especially about the sheep farmers it’s not right to drag them into this when they have nothing to do with this,they’ve had a enough hardship through the years


  • #36
    kk.man
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    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Muckit wrote: »
    We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely
    I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
    https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19
    The factories and their greed brought this about if it happens. They p=÷##×@d on the IFA when the organisation was on its knees (I am not an IFA head). They are in the process of getting rid of agents when dealing with farmers. They cut the s$#/e out of beef to the farmer and kept rubbing salt into the wound by aggressively going for 3.00 per kg while they made it into the top 30 rich list in Ireland consistently.
    The old smart factory boss threw a few crumbs to the agents, the IFA and the farmer but these new breed got very greedy.
    As I said before by their actions they cultivated a first yellow vest movement in this country which is impossible to stop. But more importantly the angry farmer is now educated in causing maximum disruption within the confines of the law.


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  • #37
    Keep Sluicing
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    High bike wrote: »
    cheek of the ****er hope the has the balls to go to the ploughing

    Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.


  • #38
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.
    ur prob right


  • #39
    FarmerBrowne
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭FarmerBrowne


    Piss off Creed, you sanctimonious individual, I just hope FG come to the door in the lead up to election next May and they are going to be sorry they did when they get an earful about that waste of space.


  • #40
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kk.man


    kk.man wrote: »
    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Muckit wrote: »
    We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely
    I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
    https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19
    The factories and their greed brought this about if it happens. They p=÷##×@d on the IFA when the organisation was on its knees (I am not an IFA head). They are in the process of getting rid of agents when dealing with farmers. They cut the s$#/e out of beef to the farmer and kept rubbing salt into the wound by aggressively going for 3.00 per kg while they made it into the top 30 rich list in Ireland consistently.
    The old smart factory boss threw a few crumbs to the agents, the IFA and the farmer but these new breed got very greedy.
    As I said before by their actions they cultivated a first yellow vest movement in this country which is impossible to stop. But more importantly the angry farmer is now educated in causing maximum disruption within the confines of the law.
    Forgot to mention they turned up at the heef forum and didn't give an inch.


  • #41
    foundation10
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭foundation10


    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.


    Wouldn't think so, his days are numbered after this.


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  • #42
    boggerman1
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    People haven't needed the blockade to know creed is useless.anyone else hear the dawn factory in rathdowney is going to close down permanently


  • #43
    Keep Sluicing
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    If one thing has come of this blockade, its the template for further protests.

    The Beef Plan organised themselves after the first protest so that they couldn't get fined like the IFA all those years ago. Officially staying away while having their individual farmers at the gates.

    The IFA are needed to be the organization at the negotiations, and money behind them to back individual farmers if they are are singled out by the factorys for a court appearance.

    There needs to be a bit more thought on the timing of future protests, and the demands to end protests. Individual farmers need to still be singing off the same hymn sheet (while being "individual") in the event of future blockades.


  • #44
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Open letter from the Minister.
    https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19


  • #45
    yewtree
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    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Open letter from the Minister.
    https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19


    It seems a fair enough accessment if you ask me. Its a bit unfair to take one line out of a thousand word statement. Like what will happen if a small minority keep proteesting in spite of all farm orgs agreeing to the deal.


  • #46
    leoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭leoch


    The last 3 lines is wat he should be saying to himself


  • #47
    jaymla627
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    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Open letter from the Minister.
    https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19

    If that went through official channels and was signed off on by who ever pulls the strings in Fine Gael god help us all, if he went rouge and done it off his own bat he has confirmed he is as dimwitted as we expected


  • #48
    Water John
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    It wasn't the farm orgs that forced the talks. Why would anyone think it's their right to sign off on them. Joe Healy et al would have no credibility with those on the protest line.
    Some items in the proposals are good and need to be followed through in the medium term. The base price however is a stumbling block. Firstly, that it isn't dropped further and secondly it needs to recover to €3.75/3.80.
    No one believes the margin isn't there in the retail price.

    His last few lines remind me of Gerry Collins looking straight into the camera and saying 'please don't burst the party'.


  • #49
    kk.man
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    yewtree wrote: »
    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Open letter from the Minister.
    https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19


    It seems a fair enough accessment if you ask me. Its a bit unfair to take one line out of a thousand word statement. Like what will happen if a small minority keep proteesting in spite of all farm orgs agreeing to the deal.
    Well factories coming out and stating we are going to close down permanently won't help. People are educated enough that companies don't close down multi million euro making premises. Who do they think they are...God ?


  • #50
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    A bit of sense from Justin McCarthy https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-crisis-time-for-those-with-finished-animals-to-have-their-voice-heard-494805


  • #51
    Robson99
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    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

    The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey


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