F1 2019 - Round 14 Italy

H3llR4iser · 07-09-2019 3:29pm

That's quite funny, I was thinking during the Q3 in Spa that this stuff about slipstreaming in qualifying is getting ridiculous and that it'd reach its nadir in Monza...and here we go. There's a reason why Indycar does qualifying one car at a time on ovals.

Tracks like Monza or Spa could probably benefit from a special rule where Q3 is a few minutes longer and there's a minimum 10" separation rule between cars on the start line of a timed lap. Or, just sent the cars out one at a time.

skipper_G · 07-09-2019 3:30pm

Jeff2 wrote: »

What happened Verstappen?

Out in Q1 without setting a lap, wouldn't have been in the fight anyway as he is starting from the back because of engine penalties

skipper_G · 07-09-2019 3:32pm

I'm blaming Hulkenberg for starting the chain reaction, himself and Sainz barely moving running side by side effectively became a rolling road block. Grid penalty and then they won't be at that again any time soon

Rossi IRL · 07-09-2019 3:34pm

skipper_G wrote: »

I'm blaming Hulkenberg for starting the chain reaction, himself and Sainz barely moving running side by side effectively became a rolling road block. Grid penalty and then they won't be at that again any time soon

It was a mess

Hulkenberg started it

Stroll then chipped in, Sainz then got involved.

Vettel raced by them and then slammed on his brakes aswell.

Pure mess

El_Duderino 09 · 07-09-2019 3:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So surprised it's you replying to be argumentative. Retarded stuff happens all the time in F1 when it's obvious to a ****load of people that it's a stupid call. Ferrari being a good example. And as usual well done for changing words and forming something different to argue against.

Lol. You should tell the f1 bosses about your mad skills. I’m sure they’ll be knocking down your door with job offers.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-09-2019 3:45pm

flazio wrote: »

Maybe a case for bringing back the one lap shoot out for this round only.

Why? They all had 6 and a half minutes to do the out lap and missed the deadline because they all wanted the tow. Game theory gone wrong.

Infoanon · 07-09-2019 4:28pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

flazio wrote: »

Maybe a case for bringing back the one lap shoot out for this round only.

Why? They all had 6 and a half minutes to do the out lap and missed the deadline because they all wanted the tow. Game theory gone wrong.

Add in to that eg Alex Albon hadn't even set a time what where Red Bull at ? , whole thing was embarrassing, but as Sainz alluded to, with it being hard to apply penalties by the FIA (Sainz) ,this was always bound to happen , as Sainz also alluded to you need to have real penalties.

07-09-2019 4:36pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. You should tell the f1 bosses about your mad skills. I’m sure they’ll be knocking down your door with job offers.

What in the name of **** are you on about? Like are there other people in the room with you that you mean to address your random thoughts to?

El_Duderino 09 · 07-09-2019 5:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What in the name of **** are you on about? Like are there other people in the room with you that you mean to address your random thoughts to?

The ridiculousness of your “Captain Hindsight” comment warranted pointing out. The notion that you actually know better than the people who work in f1, is LOLable.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-09-2019 6:29pm

Verstappen said rain was the best chance for him tomorrow. Probably not worth the best way to test out the new engine but definitely his best chance of a good finish.

What are the odds of rain?

vectra · 07-09-2019 7:37pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

That was a shambles &#55357;&#56834;
But I don't care Charles on pole

Hamilton blaming Ferrari for the shambles :pac::pac:

tipp_tipp_tipp · 07-09-2019 7:37pm

https://streamable.com/zzjd6 lol!

dublinman1990 · 07-09-2019 7:47pm

Ouch. That wasn't a good Q3 by anyone standards. That was terrible stuff from some of the drivers who started this mess.

I was literally speechless that none of them posted an actual time for Q3. Some of them should deserve penalties for their actions.

Although I am surprised that LeClerc made it over the finishing line before the clock went to zero.

Does he get to keep his pole position for tomorrow's race because he didn't get a chance to post a time either near the end?

Sonny noggs · 07-09-2019 7:49pm

Just saw it there, a shambles.

This is it · 07-09-2019 8:16pm

Didn't they all post a time in q3 bar Kimi? It was a second flying lap they missed out on.

Edit, Albon, Stroll and Kimi missed out on laps, the rest got one in before the crash

Faugheen · 07-09-2019 8:29pm

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I'd nearly give Hulkenberg and Sainz penalties for driving too slowly. You can't just block the track like that going that slow.

What's just as bad then is Vettel gets by them and then slows right down again.

Hulkenberg literally cut the first chicane to get out of their way.

deafroadrunner · 07-09-2019 8:32pm

vectra wrote: »

Hamilton blaming Ferrari for the shambles :pac::pac:

I missed that.. I suppose if you took vettel from q2 you could blame them. As that's where hulk got the idea. And I'm pretty sure Danny ric said he wasn't buying vettel locking up. Rosberg got defensive about that from the bits I heard

deafroadrunner · 07-09-2019 8:36pm

Hulk stroll and sainz have been reprimanded for driving slow but no penailtys dished out.

flazio · 07-09-2019 8:43pm

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1170412417798434817?s=19

This is it · 07-09-2019 8:56pm

I'm not sure why Hamilton blames Ferrari. At the end they got held up but there were plenty of chances for any one of the drives to move up through the field and put a lap in, they didn't because they wanted a tow. All as bad as each other, trying to pass a corner or two before the start finish doesn't absolve Hamilton of wrong doing for the rest of the lap he crawled around

AMKC · 07-09-2019 10:38pm

Just seen it there now. Was a disgrace. Them driver's should be ashamed of themselves for acting like that. These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world. Get on with it and stop looking for the easy way out by getting a tow. It should be banned I think. If it happens at another race like that then there should be penalty's giving for it.

murphyebass · 07-09-2019 10:54pm

Just finished watching qualifying.

1. What the **** was that at the end. Hilarious.

And

2. If I hear the word “tow” one more god damn time I think I’ll scream.

Roll on tomorrow all the same.

Looking forward to seeing what Max can manage from the back of the pack and Vettel looked pissed after qualy so will be interesting to see does he push hard at the start.

Charlie-Bravo · 07-09-2019 11:09pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Hulkenberg literally cut the first chicane to get out of their way.

I love the way Hulkenberg went, f* this, I'm taking a detour - no way I'm being first in this queue.

Charlie-Bravo · 07-09-2019 11:47pm

Just looking at the predicted rain. Some rain forecast for the F2/F3 races. Looking dryer at 15:00 local time for F1, but still a chance of precipitation (23%).

El_Duderino 09 · 08-09-2019 12:43am

AMKC wrote: »

Just seen it there now. Was a disgrace. Them driver's should be ashamed of themselves for acting like that. These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world. Get on with it and stop looking for the easy way out by getting a tow. It should be banned I think. If it happens at another race like that then there should be penalty's giving for it.

Ah, there's more to it than that. Who wants to be the fool who goes first? If any one of them had decided to go first, they all would have followed and everyone would have been in plenty of time - which means everyone would have gotten the tow and had an advantage over the one who went first. But which F1 driver would give up without a fight?

I'm pretty sure the rest of the drivers would have though less of the one who went first. They're not just drivers, they're peers and rivals. I'd bet if you asked any of the drivers involve I'd say they would prefer nobody went than they be the fool to go first. It's their nature.

funkyouup · 08-09-2019 1:06am

I really didnt think it was that bad, the sky lads made it out to be huge, no one wanted to be the fall guy getting used to give the tow, it wont and cant happen often as Monza is probably the worst in terms or it giving an advantage.
Good race tomorrow and no one will care, turn one is gonna be good, 2 Mercedes in a Ferrari Sandwich closely followed by 2 hungry baguettes.

Mackman · 08-09-2019 1:15am

They all have no one to blame other than themselves, they all had 6 and a half minutes to get a lap in, and they all wanted to be smart about it.

Jordan 199 · 08-09-2019 2:48am

Jody-Scheckter-Ferrari-312-T4-Formel-1-GP-Italien-Monza-7-September-2019-article169Gallery-dc6db37d-1626296.jpg

Jody Scheckter taking his championship winning Ferrari 312 T4 around the Monza track. He won the race and championship there in 1979.

Ghost Train · 08-09-2019 7:17am

Faugheen wrote: »

I would hope the fact they showed the replay suggests nobody was seriously hurt.

Feckin’ hell though

Driver walked away but later found he did fracture vertebrae

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/27557591/f3-driver-peroni-suffers-broken-vertebrae-massive-monza-crash

Ghost Train · 08-09-2019 7:32am

The Leclerc vs Vettel part of qualifying was interesting, Vettel was pretty pissed after qualifying. Can see team orders being ignored in future races when they’re asked to work together if it continues like this

Weather looking wet this morning, might be a partially wet race

Burkie1203 · 08-09-2019 8:06am

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1170592893859483648?s=19

Ghost Train · 08-09-2019 9:55am

Intermediates used in the f3 race, starting on dry tires for the f2 race, 10% chance of rain. Sunny at the moment

Might be ok later

Jordan 199 · 08-09-2019 11:25am

I think Ricciardo will visit the podium today

This is it · 08-09-2019 11:32am

Hoping for another LeClerc win. I'm wondering what the relationship between him and Vettel is like at this stage...

funkyouup · 08-09-2019 11:46am

This is it wrote: »

Hoping for another LeClerc win. I'm wondering what the relationship between him and Vettel is like at this stage...

All it will take is 1 little on track knock and i could see him throwing the toys out of the pram. And today of all days, really looking forward to this one.

Inviere · 08-09-2019 12:11pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I think Ricciardo will visit the podium today

A bold claim, be great to see though.

Rossi IRL · 08-09-2019 12:42pm

The anomaly is probably "not wanting to upset the Italians"

It was very tight though in fairness.

https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1170651724421488641?s=19

funkyouup · 08-09-2019 12:53pm

Sky just had the slow-mos and pics, that rule is needlessly technical.

supremenovice · 08-09-2019 1:36pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I think Ricciardo will visit the podium today

I agree, I stuck a fiver on at 20/1 for the craic.

ctrl-alt-delete · 08-09-2019 1:38pm

Looking forward to the start of this race, would be fairly surprised if there is a clean first lap.

Ghost Train · 08-09-2019 1:38pm

Looks like still chance of rain at end of race

deafroadrunner · 08-09-2019 1:39pm

Vettel needs a good start. Can see one of the mercs winning today. Still hoping for a Charles win.

funkyouup · 08-09-2019 1:45pm

If LeClerc wins a wet Monza Italy will explode:pac:

ctrl-alt-delete · 08-09-2019 1:48pm

Gary Connolly saying it was too doubtful to penalise Vettel,

I thought Albon's lap that was ditched was borderline too.

Anyways it will be interesting to see how it pans out in the race.

walshb · 08-09-2019 1:50pm

That Smithy lad on the grid; too kool for skool tool!

deafroadrunner · 08-09-2019 1:51pm

walshb wrote: »

That Smithy lad on the grid; too kool for skool tool!

He was brilliant. Doing a bit of consulting for uncle Ross

Charlie-Bravo · 08-09-2019 1:55pm

If any of the Ferrari or Merc cars come together, Renault will be in for a podium shout.

That smithy guy was Rob Smedley. Was with Williams and Ferrari. He's the voice behind "Fernando is faster than you", and other good taglines when he was Massa's engineer.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-09-2019 1:55pm

That’s silly. Even when applying the rules you have to consider the Ferrari factor. They seem to need lol the advantages just to keep people happy.

This is one of he instances that reminds us that f1 is entertainment and business as well as sport.

skipper_G · 08-09-2019 1:57pm

astrofluff wrote: »

If any of the Ferrari or Merc cars come together, Renault will be in for a podium shout.

That smithy guy was Rob Smedley. Was with Williams and Ferrari. He's the voice behind "Fernando is faster than you", and other good taglines when he was Massa's engineer.

"Felipe, stay cool baby" was one of my favourites

funkyouup · 08-09-2019 1:58pm

Few of his most memorable comments -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OEYwfOObGM

F1 2019 - Round 14 Italy

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