This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

ELM327 · 16-09-2020 5:04pm

I imported a 2016 S90D last year and paid 2k VRT

eamondunphy · 16-09-2020 7:19pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I imported a 2016 S90D last year and paid 2k VRT

Thanks, did you pay that after appealing or was that the first price the they told you.

Have imprinted cars before so am familiar with the process, its jus that tesla info is very vague and ambiguous when it comes to vrt

Pkiernan · 16-09-2020 7:23pm

jhegarty wrote: »

Facelift 75D for £35k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009143698008

Why wouls the 4th pic in that ad show its as an S70D?

Gumbo · 16-09-2020 7:50pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Why wouls the 4th pic in that ad show its as an S70D?

Good spot.
A UK Car check has it as a 75D alright.

Tax 1st Sep 2021
MOT 9th Sep 2021

MOT dates

13.08.2019 @ 39,652 miles
08.09.2020 @ 51,453 miles
10.09.2020 @ 51,473 miles

slave1 · 16-09-2020 8:24pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Why wouls the 4th pic in that ad show its as an S70D?

Could be a software restricted 75D down to 70D which has been uncorked by current owner, these do exist.
Beautiful colour

jhegarty · 16-09-2020 8:42pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Why wouls the 4th pic in that ad show its as an S70D?

All (I think) facelift 70D cars are actually a software locked 75D.

It was available as an unlock for cheap. Not sure on the UK , but it was $500 at one stage in the US.

Gumbo · 16-09-2020 9:34pm

slave1 wrote: »

Could be a software restricted 75D down to 70D which has been uncorked by current owner, these do exist.
Beautiful colour

jhegarty wrote: »

All (I think) facelift 70D cars are actually a software locked 75D.

It was available as an unlock for cheap. Not sure on the UK , but it was $500 at one stage in the US.

Why would the DVLA have it listed as a 75d though?

Kramer · 16-09-2020 10:47pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Good spot.
A UK Car check has it as a 75D alright.
MOT dates

13.08.2019 @ 39,652 miles
08.09.2020 @ 51,453 miles
10.09.2020 @ 61,473 miles

Isn't is listed as:
"52,000 miles"

People need to be very careful buying privately from the UK.
Very careful.

I've seen people advocating doing instant transfers of 10s of thousands of €uros to complete strangers in the UK, based on internet adds.

Someone is inevitably going to get badly stung I fear.

Be careful :cool:.

unkel · 16-09-2020 10:50pm

slave1 wrote: »

Beautiful colour

My loaner the last few days was that colour. Not offense, but rather bland. Beige. I'd rather have any other colour. Except white of course

jhegarty · 16-09-2020 10:58pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Good spot.
A UK Car check has it as a 75D alright.

Tax 1st Sep 2021
MOT 9th Sep 2021

MOT dates

13.08.2019 @ 39,652 miles
08.09.2020 @ 51,453 miles
10.09.2020 @ 61,473 miles

Here is what I see:

September 2020 | Pass | 51,473 mi

September 2020 | Fail | 51,453 mi

Reasons:

Offside Front Tyre has ply or cords exposed (5.2.3 (d) (ii))

Nearside Front Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Advisories

Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))

Offside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))

August 2019 | Pass | 39,652 mi

Registered on road | September 2nd, 2016

unkel · 16-09-2020 11:01pm

Gumbo wrote: »

08.09.2020 @ 51,453 miles
10.09.2020 @ 61,473 miles

Not even Nyland could have done 16000 km on the Autobahn in 2 days

Gumbo · 16-09-2020 11:04pm

Kramer wrote: »

Isn't is listed as:
"52,000 miles"

People need to be very careful buying privately from the UK.
Very careful.

I've seen people advocating doing instant transfers of 10s of thousands of €uros to complete strangers in the UK, based on internet adds.

Someone is inevitably going to get badly stung I fear.

Be careful :cool:.

That’s my fault. The retest was 20 miles later. Should be 51, 473.

I’ve edited my original post.

garo · 16-09-2020 11:31pm

Kramer wrote: »

Isn't is listed as:
"52,000 miles"

People need to be very careful buying privately from the UK.
Very careful.

I've seen people advocating doing instant transfers of 10s of thousands of €uros to complete strangers in the UK, based on internet adds.

Someone is inevitably going to get badly stung I fear.

Be careful :cool:.

Edit: I see that the original post has been corrected but my point below remains.

Yes couldn't agree more. As someone who has just gone through the process and transferred tens of thousands to a private party, my advice is if anything feels even slightly amiss, just walk away. There will always be another car but if your money is gone it is gone.

I walked away from a couple of cars that were probably ok but I wasn't 100% convinced. In the end, I went with a seller who though selling private, was selling a company car. So I was transferring to a well-established company bank account that I checked out on the company directory and on their own website. And got full service records from Tesla. And spoke to the man on video as he showed the car. And did a street view on google maps to make sure he was where he claimed he was. And a few other things.

Do your own due diligence before buying private. And if you feel unconfortable, go with a dealer. Good deals on UK dealers do pop up every now and again. The two sub-30k Teslas on autotrader right now are both dealer cars. With the GBP so low and Brexit approaching this is a good time to buy.

slave1 · 17-09-2020 8:44am

When buying private from UK I always insist on two page contract, Autotrader have a template I think.
I also exchange Driving Licences.

If seller not okay with above I'll just move on.
Never been in any bother to date.

garo · 17-09-2020 8:48am

Yes a written contract is a must. I took the autotrader template and added a few things that were specific to my situation. It has to Ben signed by both parties before any money changes hands.

listermint · 17-09-2020 8:48am

slave1 wrote: »

When buying private from UK I always insist on two page contract, Autotrader have a template I think.
I also exchange Driving Licences.

If seller not okay with above I'll just move on.
Never been in any bother to date.

What use is the contract. Genuinely? How would it stand up in court. Or is this just a box checking exercise. Have you ever attempted to enforce such a contract.

garo · 17-09-2020 8:54am

IANAL but if you ever land up in court, having a written contract is better than not having a written contract. A contract doesn’t guarantee anything but better than not having one.

slave1 · 17-09-2020 9:49am

listermint wrote: »

What use is the contract. Genuinely? How would it stand up in court. Or is this just a box checking exercise. Have you ever attempted to enforce such a contract.

A signed detailed contract with proof of sale, payment amount and passing over of ownership, verified addresses and identity of both parties.
If you don't see how something like that would be of use then good luck with your private sale.
We're not talking short change here...

Pappajohn · 17-09-2020 11:15am

Gumbo wrote: »

Good spot.
A UK Car check has it as a 75D alright.

Tax 1st Sep 2021
MOT 9th Sep 2021

MOT dates

13.08.2019 @ 39,652 miles
08.09.2020 @ 51,453 miles
10.09.2020 @ 51,473 miles

jhegarty wrote: »

Here is what I see:

September 2020 | Pass | 51,473 mi

September 2020 | Fail | 51,453 mi

Reasons:
Offside Front Tyre has ply or cords exposed (5.2.3 (d) (ii))

Nearside Front Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))
Advisories

Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))

Offside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))

August 2019 | Pass | 39,652 mi

Registered on road | September 2nd, 2016

Can I ask you guys what UK Car Check site did you use to get this level of detail?

I assume it was one of the paid for services.

jhegarty · 17-09-2020 11:58am

Pappajohn wrote: »

Can I ask you guys what UK Car Check site did you use to get this level of detail?

I assume it was one of the paid for services.

I use https://www.checkmyreg.com/

unkel · 17-09-2020 12:08pm

Very good deal here, Tesla CPO 2017 Model S 75 facelift, 2 year warranty with FSD for just GBP36,400

Linky

This won't hang around. If you're in the market, buy it quickly...

garo · 17-09-2020 12:14pm

unkel wrote: »

Very good deal here, Tesla CPO 2017 Model S 75 facelift, 2 year warranty with FSD for just GBP36,400

Linky

This won't hang around. If you're in the market, buy it quickly...

Feck it! Had to show up the week I bought my car. Bit rich for my taste anyhoo. But 2017 facelift. Man!

unkel · 17-09-2020 12:19pm

garo wrote: »

Feck it! Had to show up the week I bought my car. Bit rich for my taste anyhoo. But 2017 facelift. Man!

With HW2 and FSD. Not very useful at the moment, but it has the potential to make a real difference in future and If I'm not mistaken, the hardware will be upgraded for free if you have FSD

Car is pretty base for the rest, except it does have the upgraded charger so it can do 17kW AC. CCS conversion is now just €294 incl VAT

garo · 17-09-2020 12:25pm

Yeah it is a bargain alright. Battery and drivetrain warranty till 2025 and at the current Revolut rate comes in a shade under 40k EUR.

unkel · 17-09-2020 12:28pm

garo wrote: »

Yeah it is a bargain alright. Battery and drivetrain warranty till 2025 and at the current Revolut rate comes in a shade under 40k EUR.

With a VRT bill likely below a grand (before or after appeal)

@jhegarty - would a car like this not change your mind back to getting used Model S instead of new Model 3?

garo · 17-09-2020 12:43pm

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/kona/fpa/202008102324367
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-kona-electric-64kwh-450km-range/25609476

A non-Tesla bargain. 32k for a 192 64kWh Kona.

unkel · 17-09-2020 12:59pm

Yes that was posted in the for sale thread on here

Kona 64kWh is a lot of car / range for €30k. For the near €40k it was new, not so much.

eagerv · 17-09-2020 1:47pm

unkel wrote: »

Yes that was posted in the for sale thread on here

Kona 64kWh is a lot of car / range for €30k. For the near €40k it was new, not so much.

Or new price at €42500 as I saw on the window sticker at a dealer in Waterford.

garo · 17-09-2020 2:14pm

unkel wrote: »

Yes that was posted in the for sale thread on here

Kona 64kWh is a lot of car / range for €30k. For the near €40k it was new, not so much.

Ah sorry you are right.

Casati · 17-09-2020 2:14pm

eagerv wrote: »

Or new price at €42500 as I saw on the window sticker at a dealer in Waterford.

They’ve gone up in price haven’t they - think they were circa 38/39k new two years ago? 32k is over 80% value retained - if they get it

eagerv · 17-09-2020 2:18pm

Casati wrote: »

They’ve gone up in price haven’t they - think they were circa 38/39k new two years ago? 32k is over 80% value retained - if they get it

Yes they have gone up, would be interesting to see what they can be bought for though. The one I saw last Sunday at €42.5K was metallic but didn't have the dual colour option.

unkel · 17-09-2020 2:37pm

Someone in here bought one for 30k a few months ago. That would be my target price in a private sale

eamondunphy · 17-09-2020 2:57pm

unkel wrote: »

With a VRT bill likely below a grand (before or after appeal)

@jhegarty - would a car like this not change your mind back to getting used Model S instead of new Model 3?

Vrt calculator comes out at 4k for the only available option on the website, I know Elm said his was 2k, how likely are revenue to quote the 4k on a car like this

eamondunphy · 17-09-2020 3:01pm

Also is the 100 pound deposit refundable if not happy with car

garo · 17-09-2020 3:42pm

You might get hit with a 4k bill, write a letter of appeal and get some money back.

AFAIK the 100 pound deposit is non-refundable but can be applied towards a different car if you change your mind. I could be wrong.

listermint · 17-09-2020 3:49pm

slave1 wrote: »

A signed detailed contract with proof of sale, payment amount and passing over of ownership, verified addresses and identity of both parties.
If you don't see how something like that would be of use then good luck with your private sale.
We're not talking short change here...

The only thing that would provide is a copy of the invoice date for VRT for example . Outside of that you are pissing in the wind. Your logbook contains all previous owners for whatever use that is.

Your contract would be worthless in court. in fact it sounds like something you picked up off a crap car website and have roled with it ever since.

Ive purchased every single car ive ever owned privately all of them, last two in the UK.

But look if it makes you feel better to fill out then fire on doing it as you have. Just be clear, it is of no protection to you.none.

slave1 · 17-09-2020 4:03pm

We'll just have to agree to disagree there bud!

September1 · 17-09-2020 4:37pm

listermint wrote: »

Your contract would be worthless in court. in fact it sounds like something you picked up off a crap car website and have roled with it ever since.

Are you Boris Johnson? Written contract is now worthless in court as well?

jhegarty · 17-09-2020 7:06pm

unkel wrote: »

With a VRT bill likely below a grand (before or after appeal)

@jhegarty - would a car like this not change your mind back to getting used Model S instead of new Model 3?

I am fixed on a SR+ Model 3 at this stage. Just waiting for battery day to decided timing.

I can wait a while if there is good stuff coming. If not I order after the call.

garo · 17-09-2020 8:14pm

Battery day? Some Tesla announcement coming?

KCross · 17-09-2020 8:35pm

garo wrote: »

Battery day? Some Tesla announcement coming?

Yup, Tuesday.

jhegarty · 17-09-2020 8:56pm

garo wrote: »

Battery day? Some Tesla announcement coming?

Next Tuesday night.

If you believe the rumours the model 3 is getting a bigger battery , power liftgate and the heat exchanger from the model y.

There also talk for the SR+ going to be replaced by a long range rwd , with a small price bump.

Of course we all learned after the cybertruck not to try and predict what Tesla is going to do.

listermint · 17-09-2020 9:00pm

September1 wrote: »

Are you Boris Johnson? Written contract is now worthless in court as well?

It's not a written contract there's no witnesses. It's just a downloaded template off the internet. Wouldn't get anywhere in court and easily argued away.

Very pointless but makes someone feel warm and cuddly that's grand.

Anyone taking serious advice like this should avoid it. If you want an actual contract then get an actual contract and legal advice.

Kramer · 17-09-2020 9:10pm

September1 wrote: »

Written contract is now worthless in court as well?

Which court? In Ireland or in the UK?
You'd be trying to take a civil case against a possible UK citizen, from outside the UK. The UK won't even be an EU member in a few months.

I've imported, as have many others, but people are itching to pull the trigger on the next bargain UK Model S - grab it quick, it'll be gone in a flash etc.

10s of thousands, transferred to UK accounts instantly & irrevocably, buying a high end car, sight unseen. Can people not see the risks here? Especially from 1st time purchasers, caught up in the hype of bargain, time limited, never to be repeated, bargain Model S?

Just be careful guys - losing €40k due to a previously crashed/cloned/outstanding finance/Tesla banned car etc. would destroy anyone.

unkel · 17-09-2020 9:32pm

unkel wrote: »

Very good deal here, Tesla CPO 2017 Model S 75 facelift, 2 year warranty with FSD for just GBP36,400

Linky

This won't hang around. If you're in the market, buy it quickly...

Gone.

To a boardsie :-)

Kramer · 17-09-2020 9:39pm

unkel wrote: »

Gone.

To a boardsie :-)

Best of luck to the purchaser

.

No issue with buying from Tesla directly, or a main/reputable dealer etc., still good deals to be had, which unkel helpfully posts here.

Just 4/5/6 year old, UK Model S imports though - nothing else worth buying, really

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ELM327 · 18-09-2020 8:54am

eamondunphy wrote: »

Thanks, did you pay that after appealing or was that the first price the they told you.

Have imprinted cars before so am familiar with the process, its jus that tesla info is very vague and ambiguous when it comes to vrt

First price, didnt bother appealing as it was lower than what I was expecting!

garo · 18-09-2020 10:09am

Kramer wrote: »

Just be careful guys - losing €40k due to a previously crashed/cloned/outstanding finance/Tesla banned car etc. would destroy anyone.

Most of these things can be checked through paying for a full car check and by getting full service history from the seller.

But I agree it is safest to buy from Tesla directly and then from a dealer and only in last instance a private seller.

T-b0n3 · 18-09-2020 10:21am

unkel wrote: »

Gone.

To a boardsie :-)

Keep us updated. I considered it, would love to get one before the end of the year.

I wonder is it possible to get the cars shipped to Belfast yet? That would be very handy.

slave1 · 18-09-2020 12:00pm

T-b0n3 wrote: »

...
I wonder is it possible to get the cars shipped to Belfast yet? That would be very handy.

Nope, not yet

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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