Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 6:28pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha

Boards knows where it’s bread is buttered. Most of their remaining user base are dog-whistlers and ‘concerned citizens’.

I have called out people on this site for thinly veiled anti women and fat shaming comments, expecting some support from the 'permanently outraged about something a shinner did' crowd, but no, all I got was abuse for it.

Faux outrage in search of a victim to use for political gain, is what it is.

Solutionking · 03-12-2020 6:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And get back to us when you work out why it is you can't buy a house.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tweet-deal-madigan-uses-20000-of-taxpayers-cash-on-her-social-media-image-37723947.html

What exactly is wrong with that? she is entitled to hire people and is doing exactly what is in the regulations.

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 6:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can't all spend 20,000 of yours and mine money getting someone to write their tweets Shelga. (and STILL get yourself laughed off the stage on that social media)

And get back to us when you work out why it is you can't buy a house.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tweet-deal-madigan-uses-20000-of-taxpayers-cash-on-her-social-media-image-37723947.html

From the article:

"A spokesperson for Ms Madigan said the salary will be funded using an allowance available to all Dáil deputies."

Are these the allowances the Shinners were claiming during lockdown by any chance?

hatrickpatrick · 03-12-2020 6:35pm

.anon. wrote: »

Not if Sinn Féin aspires to a higher standard of politics than Fianna Fail.

Personally I (and ( suspect many others) couldn't give a f*ck about their standard of politics as long as they turn the ship around through legislation and do something about the cost of living. I actually think people are putting far, far too much faith in this misguided idea that young people will not vote out of self-interest when backed into a corner.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 6:36pm

Solutionking wrote: »

What exactly is wrong with that? she is entitled to hire people and is doing exactly what is in the regulations.

Nothing wrong with it. Never said there was (mind you after her tweet last night that job might be coming up soon.

) I just said not everyone has somebody to write their tweets for them.

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 6:40pm

OMG Chinese chicken Covid alert :eek:

Listening to McDonald and others you'd think that Stanley was some statesman-like character, totally irreplaceable as the chair of the public Accounts Committee, when in reality he's a little bit simple & gullible, which totally explains his latest faux pas.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 6:42pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

OMG Chinese chicken Covid alert :eek:

Listening to McDonald and others you'd think that Stanley was some statesman-like character, totally irreplaceable as the chair of the public Accounts Committee, when in reality he's a little bit simple.

Listening to Catherine Murphy and his colleagues and the CC he seems to have garnered respect for his work on the PAC.

Were they telling lies?

mariaalice · 03-12-2020 6:45pm

Some of this thread are cesspits, none the less there is the odd nugget of sense.

Can any calm logical rational SF supporter hazard a guess why they attract a certain type of supporter? why are so many SF supporters more interested in hoping to land a grenade on FG or framing FG as an Irish tory party that in actual policies in fact they would only have a vague notion about policies of the party they support?

I would say there is multiple reasons for it.

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 6:46pm

Listening to that radio interview he doesn't come across as the brightest star in the sky, does he :cool:

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 6:47pm

Bowie wrote: »

Likely a reference to people who like to get up early? I think denying student nurses money will take over from historic tweets.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where in that tweet is 'attention drawn to Varadkar's sexual orientation'?

WTF it was in response to Varadkar's 'people who get up early in the morning' gaff, that even Coveney criticised.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you see homophobia because somebody mentioned 'bed' in reply to somebody talking about 'people who get up early in the morning' tis you guys need help tbh.

Normal One wrote: »

More faux outrage.

Some of these posts from this morning defending Stanley look more than a little silly now that he has admitted it was a reference to Varadkar's sexuality.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He did say short tweets can be mis-interpreted.

Yes, Francie, short tweets can be misinterpreted, but in this case, it was the people defending him this morning who were guilty of misinterpretation.

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 6:48pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Listening to that radio interview he doesn't come across as the brightest star, does he :cool:

The fact that he doesn't see the need to apologise and that his party leader agrees with that only confirms the lack of empathy and understanding that Sinn Fein have for people who disagree with them.

JasonStatham · 03-12-2020 6:48pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Listening to that radio interview he doesn't come across as the brightest star, does he :cool:

It takes one to know one.

KarlMarks · 03-12-2020 6:52pm

Stanley should apologise for the gay tweet as it could be construed as being homophobic. He should never have been made apologise for the tweet that rightfully celebrated two successful actions against a foreign army on this island.

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 6:53pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

It takes one to know one.

Deep man :rolleyes:

Ireland2020 · 03-12-2020 6:54pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Some of this thread are cesspits, none the less there is the odd nugget of sense.

Can any calm logical rational SF supporter hazard a guess why they attract a certain type of supporter? why are so many SF supporters more interested in hoping to land a grenade on FG or framing FG as an Irish tory party that in actual policies in fact they would only have a vague notion about policies of the party they support?

I would say there is multiple reasons for it.

The vast majority of people who voted SF, did so because the people (especially the under 40s) are fed up of jobs for the boys, banks getting away with whatever they like, insurance companies ripping the general public off, rent prices at a record high meaning people cant save for mortages etc.....

FG are an Irish Tory party, its clear to see.

And I did give FF a chance at the start of the year, but they havnt changed one bit and have a leader whos goal is not to run the country but have the title of leader (although everyone knows hes not leading, Leo is)

hatrickpatrick · 03-12-2020 6:54pm

FYI, I actually think that he should go on account of the homophobic and moronically ignorant COVID remarks. My defence of him in this thread is solely related to his tweets celebrating justified attacks against Crown Forces. The former are things the party should, in my view, be actively dealing with.

Still doesn't trump the cost of living and the absolute f*cking nightmare I've seen so many of my friends who don't live in their family homes go through over the past two years so SF still have my vote regardless. But they should deal with that kind of sh!te within their ranks.

KarlMarks · 03-12-2020 7:00pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

FYI, I actually think that he should go on account of the homophobic and moronically ignorant COVID remarks. My defence of him in this thread is solely related to his tweets celebrating justified attacks against Crown Forces. The former are things the party should, in my view, be actively dealing with.

Still doesn't trump the cost of living and the absolute f*cking nightmare I've seen so many of my friends who don't live in their family homes go through over the past two years so SF still have my vote regardless. But they should deal with that kind of sh!te within their ranks.

Our former minister of health didn't even know what covid-19 meant. Stanley said some things on the radio in March when we had the wealthy flying out to Cheltenham and didn't know all the details about the disease. He was also being put under pressure to answer a stupid question by a well known blueshirt radio presenter. Nothing to see here.

Ireland2020 · 03-12-2020 7:00pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The fact that he doesn't see the need to apologise and that his party leader agrees with that only confirms the lack of empathy and understanding that Sinn Fein have for people who disagree with them.

He has nothing to aplogise for.

"party leader agrees with that only confirms the lack of empathy and understanding that Sinn Fein have for people who disagree with them" Have you heard LV talk about anyone who disgress with his views (i.e Dr Tony?)

James Brown · 03-12-2020 7:03pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Some of this thread are cesspits, none the less there is the odd nugget of sense.

Can any calm logical rational SF supporter hazard a guess why they attract a certain type of supporter? why are so many SF supporters more interested in hoping to land a grenade on FG or framing FG as an Irish tory party that in actual policies in fact they would only have a vague notion about policies of the party they support?

I would say there is multiple reasons for it.

I can't speak for party members but all kinds of people gave them a vote. Based on the numbers they are the same kind of people vote for every other party.
What kind of people attack or demean others for not voting how'd they'd like?

Ireland2020 · 03-12-2020 7:05pm

Bowie wrote: »

I can't speak for party members but all kinds of people gave them a vote. Based on the numbers they are the same kind of people vote for every other party.
What kind of people attack or demean others for not voting how'd they'd like?

FG bots

James Brown · 03-12-2020 7:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Some of these posts from this morning defending Stanley look more than a little silly now that he has admitted it was a reference to Varadkar's sexuality.

Yes, Francie, short tweets can be misinterpreted, but in this case, it was the people defending him this morning who were guilty of misinterpretation.

More dishonesty and misrepresentation to peddle your agenda.

Bowie wrote: »

You are jumping to conclusions to suit your agenda. I never heard of Stanley before his IRA tweet, which I'd no issue with. On this the poster asked what it was about, I posed a query giving him the benefit of the doubt. It does come across as poor taste and I don't buy his reasoning. I initially thought the bed reference was regarding LV's get up early ****e. Upon hearing his excuse, it wasn't. So I now think he made an insulting and rude remark trying to be sarcastic. He seems like a bit of a gilly.
You lied yesterday to try use racism and now you are trying to use homophobia again. It's dishonest.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 7:05pm

Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.

Ireland2020 · 03-12-2020 7:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.

FG mob are just trying to calm down the LeoTheLeak scandal. It will never be forgotten.

Next time a FFG member calls canvassing to my door again, il say you wont get my vote but like the student nurses il clap for ya

walshb · 03-12-2020 7:11pm

His 2017 Leo tweet.

This guy sounds like an immature and childish clown..

SF need to give him the boot..

Ireland2020 · 03-12-2020 7:12pm

walshb wrote: »

His 2017 Leo tweet.

This guy sounds like an immature and childish clown..

SF need to give him the boot..

SF will not be doing anything. If he goes Leo and McEntee will have to go as they done far worse

James Brown · 03-12-2020 7:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.

I think his tweet was a bit insulting. If Varadkar is insulted he should say sorry. It's as much aimed at taking the piss out of him for being a Tory.
Of course the ones using it to score points simply aren't credible. Applaud Nurses then turn around and vote against paying student nurses for example.

walshb · 03-12-2020 7:13pm

Ireland2020 wrote: »

SF will not be doing anything. If he goes Leo and McEntee will have to go as they done far worse

Yeh yeh

SF should tell him to go and do one..

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 7:16pm

KarlMarks wrote: »

He should never have been made apologise for the tweet that rightfully celebrated two successful actions against a foreign army on this island.

^That is scary & unforgivable^

The murder of Lord Mountbatten was carried out in this State and the soldiers were murdered in Northern Ireland (UK) as recognised by international law.

The Provisional IRA were a Terrorist organisation, and as such their actions were illegal, so why would you celebrate their actions? specially with such great loss of life, you obviously have strong IRA sympathies, which says it all.

Stanley should have sent out a full apology to the families of the children murdered that day, plus the family of the Nanny? I guess he'd never apologise to the Mountbatten family.

It's like some people on this forum don't understand what murder or terrorism is, very sad altogether, but isn't it great that you can say anything you like in the form of terrorist glorification (and get away with it).

You just sit back there and wallow in the celebration of their murders...

KarlMarks · 03-12-2020 7:19pm

I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping and am a reluctant SF voter)? The British Army are a foreign army on this island and the PIRA carried out a succcesful action that struck right at the heart of the enemy. That is to be celebrated. Its you Free Staters who like to pick and choose which bits of history you celebrate who are the ones having to jump through hoops.

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 7:26pm

KarlMarks wrote: »

I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping ...

Ouch, you mean like the INLA :mad:

OMG, they were even worse.

Thank God the planting of bombs and the like is now finished. Politics rules these days thankfully.

mariaalice · 03-12-2020 7:30pm

Bowie wrote: »

I can't speak for party members but all kinds of people gave them a vote. Based on the numbers they are the same kind of people vote for every other party.
What kind of people attack or demean others for not voting how'd they'd like?

I am not demonising anyone, the only reason for voting for any political party is their policies.

Normal One · 03-12-2020 7:32pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

^That is scary & unforgivable^

The murder of Lord Mountbatten was carried out in this State and the soldiers were murdered in Northern Ireland (UK) as recognised by international law.

The Provisional IRA were a Terrorist organisation, and as such their actions were illegal, so why would you celebrate their actions? specially with such great loss of life, you obviously have strong IRA sympathies, which says it all.

Stanley should have sent out a full apology to the families of the children murdered that day, plus the family of the Nanny? I guess he'd never apologise to the Mountbatten family.

It's like some people on this forum don't understand what murder or terrorism is, very sad altogether, but isn't it great that you can say anything you like in the form of terrorist glorification (and get away with it).

You just sit back there and wallow in the celebration of their murders...

He made no reference whatsoever to Mountbatten, and you well know that.

Normal One · 03-12-2020 7:35pm

I wonder what the Taoiseach had to say about the time the former FG leader used the N word. Is there a cut-off point for things they pretend to be outraged at?

Hamsterchops · 03-12-2020 7:37pm

Normal One wrote: »

He made no reference whatsoever to Mountbatten, and you well know that.

I didn't ask you, and I know exactly where your sympathies lie already (in the gutter) and I'm sure you don't mourn Lord Mountbatten, or the fallout from his murder. Two Provo IRA attacks that day.

Don't know why you call yourself the Normal One!

KarlMarx can reply if he wishes.

Odhinn · 03-12-2020 7:38pm

Normal One wrote: »

I wonder what the Taoiseach had to say about the time the former FG leader used the N word. Is there a cut-off point for things they pretend to be outraged at?

Not when it comes to the shinners, no.

Triangle · 03-12-2020 7:39pm

Bowie wrote: »

I think his tweet was a bit insulting. If Varadkar is insulted he should say sorry. It's as much aimed at taking the piss out of him for being a Tory.
Of course the ones using it to score points simply aren't credible. Applaud Nurses then turn around and vote against paying student nurses for example.

He was taking the piss out of Leos sexuality as well. There's no room for that especially from an elected rep.
Only a person who looks down on others sexual preferences would do that.
Just because a party supports gay rights doesn't mean a member does. He's shown his true colours with that tweet.

Normal One · 03-12-2020 7:41pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I didn't ask you, and I know exactly where your sympathies lie already (in the gutter) and I'm sure you don't mourn Lord Mountbatten, or the fallout from his murder. Two Provo IRA attacks that day.

Don't know why you call yourself the Normal One!

KarlMarx can reply if he wishes.

Ha, you think you get to choose who replies here?

mariaalice · 03-12-2020 7:42pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-sinn-f%C3%A9in-member-apologises-for-anonymous-social-media-abuse-1.4327497

An example and not the only one fair enough he apologised, however, no one ever seems to explain why they attract those sort of supporters in the first place, why do they feel emboldened to make the comments, why do they feel comfortable within SF that is the big question.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 7:46pm

mariaalice wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-sinn-f%C3%A9in-member-apologises-for-anonymous-social-media-abuse-1.4327497

An example and not the only one fair enough he apologised, however, no one ever seems to explain why they attract those sort of supporters in the first place, why do they feel emboldened to make the comments, why do they feel comfortable within SF that is the big question.

Why indeed. Why do they find comfort in any party. I think this guy is back in FG

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senior-fine-gael-member-faces-suspension-over-abusive-tweets-wstktsc8h

mariaalice · 03-12-2020 7:49pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why indeed. Why do they find comfort in any party. I think this guy is back in FG

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senior-fine-gael-member-faces-suspension-over-abusive-tweets-wstktsc8h

It's not about FG Its a question about SF

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 8:00pm

mariaalice wrote: »

It's not about FG Its a question about SF

All parties have issues with members. The word you are missing (willfully maybe) is 'former' in that shinner article.

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 8:22pm

Bowie wrote: »

More dishonesty and misrepresentation to peddle your agenda.

I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.

James Brown · 03-12-2020 8:22pm

mariaalice wrote: »

It's not about FG Its a question about SF

You seem to be making distinctions between members of SF and other parties. It's about policies I'd imagine.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 8:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.

But you don't call out anti women comments or fat shaming. I can show you posts where you actually downplayed what they were because they fat shamed a shinner.
If somebody fat shamed a woman on twitter, what do you think would happen...around here you are ok with it.

Forgive me for doubting your zeal and principles.

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 8:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But you don't call out anti women comments or fat shaming. I can show you posts where you actually downplayed what they were because they fat shamed a shinner.
If somebody fat shamed a woman on twitter, what do you think would happen...around here you are ok with it.

Forgive me for doubting your zeal and principles.

Dig them out and prove it.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 8:39pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Dig them out and prove it.

Prove what? That you ignore fat shaming of a specific female politician? The 'principled caller outer' should be able to link us to a post of his on the many SF threads where it routinely happens showing him calling it out in a principled way.

blanch152 · 03-12-2020 8:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Prove what? That you ignore fat shaming of a specific female politician? The 'principled caller outer' should be able to link us to a post of his on the many SF threads where it routinely happens showing him calling it out in a principled way.

So your problem is that for some reason somewhere I didn’t do something. It is always the same with you, attacking posters for what they didn’t say not for what they said. Or for what they didn’t claim rather than what they claimed.

You have made a fool of yourself today, spending hours denying there was any reference to Varadkar in the tweet before being completely blown away by Stanley’s own admission of same.

Do you know what? I don’t think I have called out every single example of discrimination against travellers either, but I never claimed I did.

FrancieBrady · 03-12-2020 9:10pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So your problem is that for some reason somewhere I didn’t do something. It is always the same with you, attacking posters for what they didn’t say not for what they said. Or for what they didn’t claim rather than what they claimed.

Sorry blanch I didn't see where you used the words 'certain principles'.

Certain principles if it's a shinner in the frame. Everyone else do the same kind of stuff gets ignored.

Have you now.

batman75 · 03-12-2020 10:00pm

KarlMarks wrote: »

I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping and am a reluctant SF voter)? The British Army are a foreign army on this island and the PIRA carried out a succcesful action that struck right at the heart of the enemy. That is to be celebrated. Its you Free Staters who like to pick and choose which bits of history you celebrate who are the ones having to jump through hoops.

Curious as to what you define as successful. The IRA failed in the ultimate objective which was to remove British governance from the island.

James Brown · 03-12-2020 10:06pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.

I'm sure you do. People lying to use the subjects of racism and homophobia to further an agenda disrespects and belittles genuine critics.

Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

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