Your New WHS Index

swededmonkey · 01-11-2020 3:29pm

Came down from 16.4 to 15 since last night

Golfhead65 · 01-11-2020 4:00pm

blue note wrote: »

As in are you actually saying it's confusing or are you being sarcastic when you say it and you actually find straightforward?

Very confusing.. How will inter club work. Eg home course h/c 8.9. You are drawn to play a club let's say in metro cup where 9 is lowest allowed in comp and your team manager sends you away to play and your h/c comes out on away course as 8.4 let's say.. Are you eligible to play such match. There was nothing wrong with what we had., lasted over a century and straight forward

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 4:07pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Very confusing.. How will inter club work. Eg home course h/c 8.9. You are drawn to play a club let's say in metro cup where 9 is lowest allowed in comp and your team manager sends you away to play and your h/c comes out on away course as 8.4 let's say.. Are you eligible to play such match. There was nothing wrong with what we had., lasted over a century and straight forward

It'll be based on handicap index, not course handicaps. And CONGU had lots of problems and was amended many times in that 100 years.

DiegoWorst · 01-11-2020 4:53pm

I also think it will be confusing for most.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I understand it, there are three items to keep in mind:
Handicap Index is not the golfer's actual playing handicap.
Course Handicap Is calculated according to course/tees that is about to be played, but is also not the golfer's handicap for a given competition
Playing Handicap is 95% of Course Handicap for a stableford/medal comp or 100% of Course Handicap for a match

If the computers are down, a lot of people are going to be stuck.

Any competition I sign into usually asks me to confirm my handicap. For away comps I often have to adjust what is presented on the screen.
If all the systems across the country unify, and won't require user input, then fine there won't be a problem, but if a golfer is presented with a screen asking for his/her handicap, I can see potential for golfers entering home course handicap in place of handicap index.

Russman · 01-11-2020 5:12pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is there a PCC in your results? There were similar differences on mine before they added PCC data.

Yes, there’s a PCC number in beside some of the rounds alright.

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 5:21pm

DiegoWorst wrote: »

I also think it will be confusing for most.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I understand it, there are three items to keep in mind:
Handicap Index is not the golfer's actual playing handicap.
Course Handicap Is calculated according to course/tees that is about to be played, but is also not the golfer's handicap for a given competition
Playing Handicap is 95% of Course Handicap for a stableford/medal comp or 100% of Course Handicap for a match

If the computers are down, a lot of people are going to be stuck.

Any competition I sign into usually asks me to confirm my handicap. For away comps I often have to adjust what is presented on the screen.
If all the systems across the country unify, and won't require user input, then fine there won't be a problem, but if a golfer is presented with a screen asking for his/her handicap, I can see potential for golfers entering home course handicap in place of handicap index.

All clubs will have tables to look up your course handicap from your index. They were issued a few weeks ago with the course rating certificates. And the important one is the course handicap, that's what goes on your card. The playing handicap is an adjustment made when the scores are input. Pretty much the same as strokes received currently.

T453 · 01-11-2020 6:21pm

I have 2 scores from July not included in my New index from the 15 and 17 of July they are on my Golfnet Anybody know why

DiegoWorst · 01-11-2020 7:01pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

All clubs will have tables to look up your course handicap from your index. They were issued a few weeks ago with the course rating certificates. And the important one is the course handicap, that's what goes on your card. The playing handicap is an adjustment made when the scores are input. Pretty much the same as strokes received currently.

Player A with a course handicap of 9, goes out and shoots 18 net pars = 36pts
Player B with a course handicap of 18, goes out and shoots 18 net pars = 35pts

so player A wins by 1 shot, is that right?

DuckSlice · 01-11-2020 7:05pm

Am I right in thinking course rating doesn’t matter for your playing handicap calculation? With the way Golf Ireland are using WHS?

Golfgraffix · 01-11-2020 7:09pm

etxp wrote: »

Am I right in thinking course rating doesn’t matter for your playing handicap calculation? With the way Golf Ireland are using WHS?

Yes, only slope in the calculation

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 7:25pm

DiegoWorst wrote: »

Player A with a course handicap of 9, goes out and shoots 18 net pars = 36pts
Player B with a course handicap of 18, goes out and shoots 18 net pars = 35pts

so player A wins by 1 shot, is that right?

By two by my calculations. You may have missed my point here. The only requirement for a properly completed scorecard is the course handicap. You can put in your strokes received if you want, but you won't be DQ if you don't.

DuckSlice · 01-11-2020 7:36pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

By two by my calculations. You may have missed my point here. The only requirement for a properly completed scorecard is the course handicap. You can put in your strokes received if you want, but you won't be DQ if you don't.

Playing handicap is 95% of course for singles golf yes?

DiegoWorst · 01-11-2020 7:58pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

By two by my calculations. You may have missed my point here. The only requirement for a properly completed scorecard is the course handicap. You can put in your strokes received if you want, but you won't be DQ if you don't.

In my example
Player A, course hcp 9, records 36pts on his card
Player B, course hcp 18, also records 36pts on his card

when both enter their scores in the computer
Player A's playing hcp = 95% of 9 = 8.55 => 9
Player B's playing hcp = 95% of 18 = 17.1 => 17

Player A's 36pts on his scorecard is recorded as 36pts for the competition
Player B's 36pts on his scorecard is adjusted to 35pts for the competition

I am certainly missing the point of a playing handicap. It would appear to me that whichever handicap number is going to decide how many strokes I receive should be written down on the scorecard prior to starting the round.

Or is the point of it for the player to not record stableford points on his card at all, and just leave it up to the computer to work it out ?

BigChap1759 · 01-11-2020 8:23pm

Given that no October scores are included yet aren't all these handicaps incorrect until after 4pm tomorrow??

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 8:46pm

DiegoWorst wrote: »

In my example
Player A, course hcp 9, records 36pts on his card
Player B, course hcp 18, also records 36pts on his card

when both enter their scores in the computer
Player A's playing hcp = 95% of 9 = 8.55 => 9
Player B's playing hcp = 95% of 18 = 17.1 => 17

Player A's 36pts on his scorecard is recorded as 36pts for the competition
Player B's 36pts on his scorecard is adjusted to 35pts for the competition

I am certainly missing the point of a playing handicap. It would appear to me that whichever handicap number is going to decide how many strokes I receive should be written down on the scorecard prior to starting the round.

Or is the point of it for the player to not record stableford points on his card at all, and just leave it up to the computer to work it out ?

You might want to read your post again. You said player B had 35 points

And the point was in response to a poster who was discussing what happens if the computer isn't available.

But thanks for the fun game.

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 8:48pm

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Given that no October scores are included yet aren't all these handicaps incorrect until after 4pm tomorrow??

Yep. Assuming you've scores for October.

4 Putt · 01-11-2020 8:48pm

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Given that no October scores are included yet aren't all these handicaps incorrect until after 4pm tomorrow??

I have no 2020 scores on it bar one from September let alone October scores‚

And talking to a few other members, they also have no scores at all from this year on theirs too..

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 8:52pm

4 Putt wrote: »

I have no 2020 scores on it bar one from September let alone October scores‚

And talking to a few other members, they also have no scores at all from this year on theirs too..

First check if they're on GolfNet. If they are, they should come through on the next update. If not, your club will have to sort it.

4 Putt · 01-11-2020 9:04pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

First check if they're on GolfNet. If they are, they should come through on the next update. If not, your club will have to sort it.

They are on it but I also have 6 unprocessed away scores too on golfnet.. Will they come through as well, as I think 3 if not 4 of them will be in my top 8 scores??

macslash · 01-11-2020 9:07pm

Sorry lads, I don't understand the 95% ye are on about. What's the point of it? Thanks

Golfgraffix · 01-11-2020 9:08pm

macslash wrote: »

Sorry lads, I don't understand the 95% ye are on about. What's the point of it? Thanks

to balance out the increase in Course Handicaps of higher handicap players against that of lower handicap players.

bigeasy · 01-11-2020 9:21pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Yes, only slope in the calculation

Which countries use course rating? I think people need to be careful with online handicap calculators.

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 9:25pm

4 Putt wrote: »

They are on it but I also have 6 unprocessed away scores too on golfnet.. Will they come through as well, as I think 3 if not 4 of them will be in my top 8 scores??

I think they have to be processed by your club and then updated to GolfNet before they can be added.

macslash · 01-11-2020 9:34pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

to balance out the increase in Course Handicaps of higher handicap players against that of lower handicap players.

Oh okay I get you. Thanks.

One other query for ye. Since I started playing in May I've never used the club computer. The only time I've used one was for an open day in a neighbouring club a few weeks back. The computer was out of action due to covid but even still my club is a relatively small 9 hole with a tiny clubhouse. I had been just posting the scorecards through a letterbox system.
With the inclusion of social golf to be counted for HI, how does that work exactly? How would you upload the scores? And where? Thanks again

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 9:57pm

macslash wrote: »

Oh okay I get you. Thanks.

One other query for ye. Since I started playing in May I've never used the club computer. The only time I've used one was for an open day in a neighbouring club a few weeks back. The computer was out of action due to covid but even still my club is a relatively small 9 hole with a tiny clubhouse. I had been just posting the scorecards through a letterbox system.
With the inclusion of social golf to be counted for HI, how does that work exactly? How would you upload the scores? And where? Thanks again

Most club software has an app as well, so you can use that for score entry too. But assuming you can't do that, you have to declare the round as a supplementary score before you start - you'll have to ask your club handicap secretary what way he wants that done - and play your round with a marker and from the permanent tee markers for the tees you're using. Not the movable ones.

Supplementary scores have been acceptable for two years now. It's not new.

DiegoWorst · 01-11-2020 9:59pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

You might want to read your post again. You said player B had 35 points

I actually said both players had shot 18 net pars playing from their course handicaps.
Player B's 35pts was the result of adjusting 36pts off 18, to his playing handicap of 17.

prawnsambo wrote: »

And the point was in response to a poster who was discussing what happens if the computer isn't available.

It was me who asked that question.
It is also relevant to society events or other outings when there is no computer available.

prawnsambo wrote: »

But thanks for the fun game.

I wasn't playing a game, I'm genuinely trying to get to grips with the new system.

I still think the golfer needs to be equipped with his playing handicap when starting a round of golf, and therefore needs to understand handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

Macker1 · 01-11-2020 10:14pm

Can someone please advise the calculation to be used for playing courses in Ireland.

Just need to get this confirmed. I found an online calculator but it uses

WHS Index
Course Rating
Slope Rating
Par of Course

Confused.com is an understatement

This could be the next "I don't know what a tracker mortgage is" LOL

Seve OB · 01-11-2020 10:36pm

DiegoWorst wrote: »

It is also relevant to society events or other outings when there is no computer available.

there is supposed to be an app from golf ireland for inputting scores. at least thats the way i read it. but they aren't ready with it and won't be till next year sometime

Golfgraffix · 01-11-2020 10:38pm

Macker1 wrote: »

Can someone please advise the calculation to be used for playing courses in Ireland.

Just need to get this confirmed. I found an online calculator but it uses

WHS Index
Course Rating
Slope Rating
Par of Course

Confused.com is an understatement

This could be the next "I don't know what a tracker mortgage is" LOL

Use the r&a one and select without minus course par

Seve OB · 01-11-2020 10:48pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Use the r&a one and select without minus course par

there really should be one on the golf ireland website but i can't find it.

Corkblowin · 01-11-2020 10:54pm

DiegoWorst wrote: »

I actually said both players had shot 18 net pars playing from their course handicaps.
Player B's 35pts was the result of adjusting 36pts off 18, to his playing handicap of 17.

I still think the golfer needs to be equipped with his playing handicap when starting a round of golf, and therefore needs to understand handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

I think where you're getting mixed up is saying that he's shot 36 points off 18, but it gets adjusted afterwards, whereas in reality he'll know going out that his handicap for the course being played is 17 for that day. It'll be worked out by the computer when you sign in (or else by a very overworked pro if the computer is still out of action by the time competitions restart!)

ridonkulous · 01-11-2020 10:58pm

I hate this new system already ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚

billy3sheets · 01-11-2020 10:59pm

I had a handicap of 17.0 and got a HI of 17.3.

I used the R&A calculator at https://www.randa.org/WorldHandicapSystem

On my home course of St Margaret's (par 73), it returns a course handicap of 20 off the blues (134) which regular competitions are played off and 22 for the blacks (136) which are used for the medals and other majors.
For Clontarf blues (119, Par 69) it returns a course handicap of 18.
I've played really badly last 2 months but this seems generous.

Seve OB · 01-11-2020 11:03pm

ive seen for years fellas not able to work out what handicap they are playing if it is a 9 hole comp, 14 hole come, four ball, foursomes.......

this will certainly cause loads of confusion, HI, course handicap and playing handicap,

blindside88 · 01-11-2020 11:32pm

Just got a look at my new handicap index. Down from 19.0 to 16.0. Considering I was off 23.4 at the start of the year, it’ll be a while before I’m challenging for a prize

Seve OB · 01-11-2020 11:40pm

blindside88 wrote: »

Just got a look at my new handicap index. Down from 19.0 to 16.0. Considering I was off 23.4 at the start of the year, it’ll be a while before I’m challenging for a prize

yea but what is your playing handicap on your home course?
you clearly had a few decent scores to get down so you are surly well able to challenge

blindside88 · 01-11-2020 11:46pm

Seve OB wrote: »

yea but what is your playing handicap on your home course?
you clearly had a few decent scores to get down so you are surly well able to challenge

Where do I see that? I’m on the mobile site and just see 16.0. I had a few decent scores to be fair

prawnsambo · 01-11-2020 11:52pm

blindside88 wrote: »

Where do I see that? I’m on the mobile site and just see 16.0. I had a few decent scores to be fair

You won't see enough on the mobile site, the columns are truncated. But your actual course handicap is calculated from your new handicap index and the slope rating of the course and tees you're playing from. The calculation is HI * SR/113. So if the slope rating for your normal tees is 127, the calculation would be 16 * 127/113 = 18 course handicap.

blindside88 · 02-11-2020 12:06am

prawnsambo wrote: »

You won't see enough on the mobile site, the columns are truncated. But your actual course handicap is calculated from your new handicap index and the slope rating of the course and tees you're playing from. The calculation is HI * SR/113. So if the slope rating for your normal tees is 127, the calculation would be 16 * 127/113 = 18 course handicap.

Thanks for that. I’ve looked up the courses slope rating and my playing handicap for my home course is 17.5 so not as massive a cut as I thought thank god

4 Putt · 02-11-2020 1:35am

prawnsambo wrote: »

I think they have to be processed by your club and then updated to GolfNet before they can be added.

My 2020 home club scores are uploaded now onto the WHS but still no away scores,, they are still coming up as unprocessed away scores..

padmcv · 02-11-2020 9:36am

CONGU 15 (14.5)

HI 13.1
Comp Tees
Course HC 14.6
Playing HC 14

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 9:51am

padmcv wrote: »

CONGU 15 (14.5)

HI 13.1
Comp Tees
Course HC 14.6
Playing HC 14

Your course handicap is an integer. So that would be 15 and your playing handicap would be also an integer of that - 14. Doesn't change anything, but would if your course handicap dropped to 14.4. In which case your playing handicap would be 13.

Dublin Spur · 02-11-2020 10:00am

old hcap - 3.5
hcap index - 2.5

Still don't have a clue, I'm sure it will all make sense when we're back playing

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 10:05am

Dublin Spur wrote: »

old hcap - 3.5
hcap index - 2.5

Still don't have a clue, I'm sure it will all make sense when we're back playing

You'll most likely be playing off 3.

padmcv · 02-11-2020 10:09am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Your course handicap is an integer. So that would be 15 and your playing handicap would be also an integer of that - 14. Doesn't change anything, but would if your course handicap dropped to 14.4. In which case your playing handicap would be 13.

I'm going by this https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/world-handicap-system-usga-golf-faqs/faqs---where-does-rounding-occur-.html

rickis tache · 02-11-2020 10:15am

rickis tache wrote: »

Gone from 12.5 on golfnet to 14.6 on whs .... October scores not included yet so expecting a cut.

Well cut back down or is it up to 12.7 on whs

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 10:23am

padmcv wrote: »

I'm going by this https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/world-handicap-system-usga-golf-faqs/faqs---where-does-rounding-occur-.html

Well if you look at the conversion tables that were sent out to clubs a few weeks ago, the Course Handicap is listed in integer and the corresponding Handicap Indexes in decimal.

Basically for each set of tees, there are two columns that would look something like this:

Handicap Index|Course Handicap
...|...
11.1 to 11.9|13
12.0 to 12.8|14
12.9 to 13.6|15
13.7 to 14.5|16
...|...

what2do · 02-11-2020 10:48am

My Congu is/was 19, my HI is 18 and my playing handicap on my course is now going to be 21... which I what I came down from this year so feels like I am back where I began the year!!!

blue note · 02-11-2020 10:59am

A stat I'd love to see, but I can't imagine I will is how much the average handicap changed by club compared to nationally. And a standard deviation would be good too in case some clubs had big swings both ways.

It wouldn't mean the changes are wrong, but it would show where the differences will lie.

Mac_Lad71 · 02-11-2020 11:00am

CONGU handicap 11.9.

WHS Handicap Index 9.8.

Course Handicap 11.7( (9.8 X 135) / 113) with 135 being the slope index of my home course off white tees.

Playing Handicap for competitions is 95% of course handicap which in my case gives me 11 shots.

Your New WHS Index

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