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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2019 / 2020 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    first off lets talk about the snow risk, once again I have to say the GFS always makes these charts look like major snow events, when in reality most of them are showers.

    Monday 10th looks fairly wintry, particularly across the west and north. Wouldn't be much snow in the east from this, similar to most westerlies.

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    Tuesday 11th see's any snow quickly turning back to rain.
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    Tuesday night/Wednedsday morning sees widespread heavy rain across the country and milder.
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    Wednesday 12th see's the cold air back and widespread wintryness across the country. This is 8 days away so do not take this seriously at all. But if this came off there would be large dumpings of snow from Sligo to Louth, patchy coverings everywhere else.

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    Wintry showers afterwards, most of them in the north and west. These turn to rain as milder air moves in Wednesday night into Thursday morning.

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    Looks fairly wintry overall but it wouldn't be like an easterly or notherly, there would be spells of rain and warm sectors mixed up in it with best chance of lying snow on high ground in the west and north, but everywhere would stand a chance of at least seeing some flakes fall on to wet ground.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    now lets talk about those temperatures.

    Monday 10th sees a rather cold day, cold enough for showers to turn wintry. Looks milder on the west coast where showers would probably stay as rain, but 2 to 4C across most of the country.

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    Tuesday 11th see's milder air moving in turning any wintryness to rain, however the mild struggles to get into Leinster and Ulster.

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    Wednesday 12th is colder again, especially across the east and north with milder air heading back in towards the west.

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    Windchill is similar to last nights charts, showing a bitterly feeling 3 day period with windchill as low as -9C, particularly over high ground, so it's going to feel very raw indeed.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The wind speeds are now more conservative than what was showing last night, but still fairly strong, these may still produce a red warning, but would not be nearly as bad as what was showing last night.

    Sunday 9th February see's strong winds, particularly in coastal areas with speeds of up to 90km/h, more like 70km/h inland, especially early on, winds die away as the day goes on.

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    Monday 10th will be a windy day, but nothing serious, wind speeds generally between 35 and 60km/h.

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    The big day itself, Tuesday 11th of February. Most of the day is grand, not too windy, but the storm approaches from the south-west later in the evening, after dark.

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    During Tuesday night into Wednesday morning is when winds will be at their strongest, crossing the country with wind speeds between 90km/h and 140km/h. The north of the country doesn't look as bad as the southern two thirds of the country.

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    12th of February still looks incredibly windy especially in the Dublin area with the storm shifting across into the central belt of the UK, then southeastwards towards London and south east. Wind speeds dying off very quickly in the afternoon as the storm clears.

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    Again I expect this to change alot over the coming week. We have already seen a downgrade since last night and I expect more to follow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    12th February is the 6th anniversary of Storm Darwin. I have a feeling that we might be in for a major storm. Even Ophelia didn't really amount to as much as was expected. There were only a few stations hitting red alert status compared to Darwin. We've had a lot of pretty standard winter storms since Darwin, due a bigger one.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    just seen the latest forecast on RTE and they mention that nationwide wind warnings may come into play from the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Gonzo wrote: »
    just seen the latest forecast on RTE and they mention that nationwide wind warnings may come into play from the weekend.

    Yeah Siobhan gave a good forecast there. Eyes on the met and Windy for the next few days. I see the uk met office have already issued warnings for the weekend.. 4 days out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Major storm gone on GFS 12Z

    Can go and come just as quickly on runs a week out.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Major storm gone on GFS 12Z

    Can go and come just as quickly on runs a week out.

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    Yes, but further iterations may yet appear. Very unstable period ahead


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Yes, but further iterations may yet appear. Very unstable period ahead

    Of course. Storm kinks in the flow pre 192hrs or post it likely. Just the timing that was on a few consecutive GFS runs for that massive storm tomorrow week is gone from that GFS run.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    We know what the GFS is like with these sorts of things but jeez, that is a proper chilly polar maritime northwesterly. Coldest I've seen in a while with thickness sub 518 dam and 850hPa temps going as low as -6 to -9C.

    Definitely more threats for a wider risk of wintry outbreaks across the country with this compared to the late January northwesterly. I'd expect a tone down in the cold after this run.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    GFS is also showing very widespread orange warning gusts for this Sunday. I think the long fetch is increasing the power of forecast winds inland. Potentially more wide ranging and damaging than Brendan simply due to the huge windfield.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


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    At 10 days out this storm appears. All very unstable. It's going to be a weather forecast courtesy of D'Unbelievables next week.

    'wind, rain, sleet, sun, snow, hail' etc. All we're missing is a forest fire and conditions conducive to the appearance of 'the black beetle'!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    indeed the latest GFS is now a major downgrade for the storm. It is now tracking much further north with the north of Scotland taking the burnt of the storm. It will still be windy but as of the latest run, we are out of the danger zone. However there is another major storm appearing for around the 14th/15th of February.

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    Even with big downgrades, next week is looking very unsettled and windy generally.

    Another potential storm waiting around the 14th/15th of February.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭typhoony


    the Armagedon Low is gone on this run, still tasty for Monday and Tuesday for a rash of snow showers.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    typhoony wrote: »
    the Armagedon Low is gone on this run, still tasty for Monday and Tuesday for a rash of snow showers.

    the cold is changing all the time too, latest runs is an upgrade in terms of cold for the 10th and 11th, but a downgrade for the 12th. Lot of chopping and changing to come in terms of cold/snow potential and indeed the wind potential. Tonights pub run will be interesting, will the storm be back in business or will it continue to push further northwards, this would put Ireland back in a milder situation generally. So much to play for over the next few days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Extremely fascinating model watching. A far cry from this winter so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Sunday is looking the most windy going forward gusts of 120kph kerry cork


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the cold is changing all the time too, latest runs is an upgrade in terms of cold for the 10th and 11th, but a downgrade for the 12th. Lot of chopping and changing to come in terms of cold/snow potential and indeed the wind potential. Tonights pub run will be interesting, will the storm be back in business or will it continue to push further northwards, this would put Ireland back in a milder situation generally. So much to play for over the next few days.

    The pub run tonight will probably bring the storm back, seems to always be overdramatic but rarely comes to fruition.

    It would be nice to get a couple of days of widespread snow showers but a lot can change between now and next Monday as we all know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The jma has the storm as does the ukmo and gem along with the icon. Strong support for the storm on Tuesday outside of the gfs
    Let's see what ecm comes out with!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    sryanbruen wrote: »
    We know what the GFS is like with these sorts of things but jeez, that is a proper chilly polar maritime northwesterly. Coldest I've seen in a while with thickness sub 518 dam and 850hPa temps going as low as -6 to -9C.

    Definitely more threats for a wider risk of wintry outbreaks across the country with this compared to the late January northwesterly. I'd expect a tone down in the cold after this run.

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    Those kind of thicknesses would suggest very little north Atlantic modification and would mean A Lot of heavy snow showers especially out west
    Digging out the car snow, a rare happening from that direction but it has happened before
    The air from cloud to ground would be cold enough for to maintain the snow
    Normally I'd be looking for - 10 uppers but not needed
    The lapse rate plus low pressure and 516 dam growing the snow showers
    Interesting stuff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    ECM has it. Downgrade though. Esp in the south.

    Edit. Still rough in the north.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Those kind of thicknesses would suggest very little north Atlantic modification and would mean A Lot of heavy snow showers especially out west
    Digging out the car snow, a rare happening from that direction but it has happened before
    The air from cloud to ground would be cold enough for to maintain the snow
    Normally I'd be looking for - 10 uppers but not needed
    The lapse rate plus low pressure and 516 dam growing the snow showers
    Interesting stuff

    Yes, January 1984-esque conditions like from 15th Jan 1984 below.

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    Report on snowfalls from this NW'ly:

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/1218/1017873-snow-covers-ireland/

    ECM 0z had 850hPa temps as low as -7C early on Tuesday 11th and subzero dew points too for most inland areas. EDIT: Down to -6C 850hPa and dew points still generally subzero later on Monday but brief, on 12z.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Those charts would also suggest thunder, and lots of it, for the NW of Ireland.

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The uppers on the ecm and ukmo for Monday are nothing special!! The gfs is starting to look a bit lonely forecasting so much snow on Monday. Either way it looks like a 24hour event.
    As for the storm.......nobody knows certainly not the models but the trend this evening is to downgrade it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    ECM snow charts suggesting nothing out of the ordinary also. Some hill snow, maybe the odd flurry at lower levels if showers are heavy enough.

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    No surprise really that real storm potential is being downgraded run on run as these millennial winters are just incapable of producing them.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    christ,i love a good downgrade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    christ,i love a good downgrade.

    Ah damn it!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito


    christ,i love a good downgrade.


    It’s far from over yet. Could well upgrade, then downgrade then upgrade..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    esposito wrote: »
    It’s far from over yet. Could well upgrade, then downgrade then upgrade..

    A lot of 'weather' coming from Sunday on. A few storms showing up in FI so anything is possible.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    snow does look rather restricted to mostly high ground in Ulster, parts of the west and the Wicklow Mountains. Looks very good for Scotland but most of that is high ground as well. For now I wouldn't be expecting much more than what happened the other week, as the cold and snow potential will probably downgrade more over the next week, as it usually does.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Downgrade is the word of the day,but we rarely get snow in Ireland ,the seas are too warm,and there's
    too much salt in the air,and its usually the watery variety,the storms are downgrading too and moving north,
    so we've dodged a bullet there too,and i for one am thankful,i don't need any more telephone poles coming
    down or roofs coming off sheds,we should be turning our attention to spring warmth although it will probably
    turn out to be a cool spring when the polar vortex loosens its grip but by then the days will have lenghtened
    considerably

    and the sun will be strong so there wouldn't be much chance of cold snowy weather, hopefully that cool spring
    doesn't ruin the begining of our summer.last summer was awful,we just cant get the snows or the storms like we
    did in the past and will just have to accept it, i for see more downgrades later regarding the snow potential as
    we progress through the week,there's very little chance of accumulating snow in the west at low level and
    even less so in the East.You just cant win but then again id prefer to able to get out and about.
    That violent storm for next Tuesday has vanished too so that should start to downgrade now on further runs. thank god.


    I hope i haven't depressed people too much with my gloomy glass half full outlook haha.

    Hopefully we get an epic snow blizzard sometime in the next 50 years but i wouldn't hold my breath knowing my luck.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    downgrade is the word of the day

    Dont know about that squarecircles, Sunday storm looks consistent and a possible fast moving depression on Saturday showing up now ( in range so in the +120 technical thread ).

    Weds looking very severe still, granted it is a long way off and the models are showing different tracks and strengths but the overall picture I think is still showing strong possibility for a storm. And maybe another one after that.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big difference yet between the ECM and GFS for Fri week.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Everything upgraded again on the gfs 18z!!
    Storm very much back on, severe with snowfall likely both before and after....
    It's getting closer folks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    its drifted south on the 18z


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Look at that 928-hPa low between Greenland and Iceland on Saturday!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Everything upgraded again on the gfs 18z!!
    Storm very much back on, severe with snowfall likely both before and after....
    It's getting closer folks!

    lol this is like a rocky fight


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Love rocky 4 when he arrives in Russia and the soundtracks really well done.
    The scenery is amazing too, and the tension added to the atmosphere is surreal.

    We could be in for a right pasting.
    Thankfully my contract gives me snow days or bad weather days when there's an orange or red warning.

    Im not going to be driving to East Clare from North Clare over 4 inches of snow and climb trees with a chainsaw hanging off me 😂


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    since this afternoons run, it has shifted from nothern Scotland, back south, but further south than yesterdays runs. Severe winds over the bulk of the country but perhaps not as bad as what was shown yesterday but it would still be close to red alert territory with winds up to 130km/h in places, especially along the south coast. Southern England looks to be in real trouble if this was to verify.

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    An upgrade for snow too, particularly after the storm.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    nobody knows certainly not the models but the trend this evening is to downgrade it
    Everything upgraded again on the gfs 18z!!
    Storm very much back on, severe with snowfall likely both before and after....
    It's getting closer folks!

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    people over on the netweather forum are getting worried now.


    That storm would bring devastation to southern England.

    apparently the control run also goes with this storms level of intensity.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    nthclare wrote: »
    Love rocky 4 when he arrives in Russia and the soundtracks really well done.
    The scenery is amazing too, and the tension added to the atmosphere is surreal.

    We could be in for a right pasting.
    Thankfully my contract gives me snow days or bad weather days when there's an orange or red warning.

    Im not going to be driving to East Clare from North Clare over 4 inches of snow and climb trees with a chainsaw hanging off me ��



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Am I right in saying this could go on from Sunday morning until Wednesday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Its definitely going to be very windy and very wet next week

    Almost certain to see 120kph a few times

    Any upgrades and a rare red warning could be issued for a few places.

    Snow probably in Ulster at times


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  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    people over on the netweather forum are getting worried now.


    That storm would bring devastation to southern England.

    apparently the control run also goes with this storms level of intensity.

    Long way of yet and to tell where or if it hits is impossible. Will be a lot swapping and changing before the weekend. Sunday is the main risk for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    people over on the netweather forum are getting worried now.


    That storm would bring devastation to southern England.

    apparently the control run also goes with this storms level of intensity.

    More runs needed!
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    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    It will probably be gone in the morning


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Well we might have lost Tuesdays storm this morning but the cold and snow has upgraded. Heavy prolonged snow now Monday afternoon with ecm and ukmo really upgrading the cold uppers! Time for its own thread?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Ukmo the coldest of the models, gfs not as cold. Let's hope we don't get stuck with cold rain and temps just above 4c and raw wind. all the storms are gone even Sunday's looks weak enough


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