Honestly, what do you think about Season 8? Mod warning post #1/#410

Peatys wrote: »

It feels like two completely different sets of people made the first 4 series to the second 4.

First is a world of epic proportions with naunced history spanning thousands of years, lately just feels like an extended action flick.

Still good in its own right, but not a patch on how the show was a few years ago.

When the tide goes out (i.e. you run out of GRRM material to adapt) you realise they have been swimming naked (i.e. the marked decline in the writing highlights how mediocre D&D are as writers to create original content).

Sleepy wrote: »

Benioff & Weiss had the Star Wars trilogy dangled in front of them and abandoned the show that should have been their masterpiece. Instead of doing the decent thing and handing it over to new show-runners who would take the time to conclude it properly

For me GOT is still the best TV show ever made. S5, S7 and S8 are not quite as good as the other seasons, like everyone else I agree the pacing in the last too seasons was too fast but I've still enjoyed EVERY episode of GOT, something good has happened in every episode. It's strange but after I accept they fecked up by shortening the last 2 seasons it comes down to every time I feel its going too fast its a case of saying to myself well they kinda have too move too fast as they have so much to cram in now

North of 32 wrote: »

It's spectacular television - outstanding set pieces, incredible SFX, great directing, great music, great editing.

The writing is dreadful.

Mirrors my own thoughts exactly. I am enjoying it, but my expectations are high and the writing is sub par based on previous seasons.

Six episodes was always going to be too short.

Cleganebowl should have gotten an episode all to itself, a big lead in,, an even bigger fight with out in the open for all to see. (with a twist maybe)
Cersei's death should have also gotten its own episode, The missed a big opportunity there.

I could go on, Varys and his ending might have been fleshed out more.

All in All,, they might have done better with two more episodes.

Rushed because the showrunners heads were turned by the Star Wars trilogy and they wanted to finish this up as fast they possibly could.

Season 7 and 8 could have been a slower build to the showdown with the Night King and and finish off the story with season 9 as the battle for the throne and a more drawn out descent of Dany.

I'm finding it underwhelming, but part of that is because so much of the past seasons have been such amazing story telling. It's still good, but in a "competent writers with loads of money to spend" way. Loads of other series are as good if not better. Some of the lines made me laugh, the sporty sort of hangs together but it's just not what made GOT such an experience in the past.

Many of my criticisms have already been made here, but one that hasn't (I think) and that I don't get at all is the p1ss-poor writing of battle scenes. Well, Winterfell anyway (I'm away this week and have been instructed to wait till we're all home this weekend to watch the latest episode so I can't say anything about the battle for KL. V dubious about Daenerys just forgetting about the Iron fleet mind.)

But back to the Battle of Winterfell. It was spectacular, absolutely, but it had so much wrong with it. Unforgivable, with that budget. Why didn't they get a proper military adviser in, it's not like they couldn't afford one?

For instance, why would you start off by sacrificing your cavalry in the open field against a superior number when you've got the castle as defence? The Dothraki went so far out that the catapults were no use as cover - and then the trenches? Flaming trenches, great - but shouldn't you put them far enough away to keep your own forces inside them, and use the narrow passages to pick off your enemy as they come through? Instead of having them act as a bottleneck allowing your own troops to be killed by the enemy as they try and fail to retreat to the castle?

I'm no expert, but this is not even very complicated stuff, wasn't there a film about Ancient Greeks managing a lot better than that a long time ago?

Oh and why didn't Bran warg to find out what the Dead were up to and where they were? Instead of sitting out in the wood waiting listlessly?

Thing is, they could have had a proper battle plan, and still, with the superior numbers of the Dead and their powers and so on it could still have been thrillingly close. Instead it stretched credibility. And that's the problem with the writing. It's effective as a spectacle, but it's not worthy of Game of Thrones.

That said, the non battle episodes have been better IMO, and I'll still watch to the end, but yeah, I'm disappointed with what they've failed to deliver so far.

Failing to meet the standards it set for itself in earlier seasons. Still very good at times, but has sacrificed story, consistency, depth, and even logic for spectacle a bit too often.

HBO should have relieved the producers adnnd got a replacement who would take it to ten season.

You could have one season for the long night,
One season for the battle of king landing and one season a battle between Danny and Jon.

So many of those characters deserved better send offs.

Jamie Lannister death deserved a better send off and it's own episode
Same for cersei
Same for the hound

None of the cast or grrm seem happy with the ending or the final two seasons.
These lads butchered one of the greatest tv shows ever produced

Episode 1 - OK
Episode 2 - Good, nice build-up
Episode 3 - Spectacular but very flawed
Episode 4 - Hmm this is a bit of a slow open.. OH GOD WHAT THE HELL IS THIS STUPIDITY?
Episode 5 - Wtf is this sh*t? Hey that's a cool set piece, OH WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NONSENSE? Ooh cool battle! Rinse and repeat

Penn wrote: »

Have to agree. Never saw why it was being so hyped up. It's also not like they hadn't seen each other since childhood. We repeatedly heard over the seasons how much The Hound hated his brother, yet he seemingly never cared about killing him even to where we saw them briefly fight in Season 1 and The Hound stopped fighting him when King Robert ordered him to. They had no interaction other than that until last season and all of a sudden it became The Hound's life mission to kill his brother.

I enjoyed their fight a lot and it was a good end for The Hound, but it got as much if not a little more time than it deserved and it really seems like one of those things that was added because the fans were hyping it up rather than being in any way vital to the story.

They could have left them both dead TBH.

Qyburn turning the Mountain into a zombie didn't really lead anywhere. In fact Qyburn turned out to be a fairly crap evil wizard. He didn't do anything with the severed wight hand he obtained last season, and clearly Kings Landing still had decent stocks of Wildfire but he didn't attempt to use them in the battle. No bonus for Qyburn this year...