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Woman rakes up 648 convictions

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Worth noting that this type of consequence-free approach to criminal justice enables serious crimes, like the violent rape of a Spanish student some years ago by a man who was free to offend despite persistent breaches of his bail conditions for prior charges, all of which were ignored.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Herald must have made a mistake so, maybe didn't included suspended sentences? But your second point seems pretty likely. Sounds like she just gets released and goes straight back on the booze, and since shes got no money coming out she steals it and is straight back inside




    That would be it, precisely. She needs hospital treatment, because just chucking her inside doesn't work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,532 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Worth noting that this type of consequence-free approach to criminal justice enables serious crimes, like the violent rape of a Spanish student some years ago by a man who was free to offend despite persistent breaches of his bail conditions for prior charges, all of which were ignored.

    Way too simplistic, especially regarding the rapist in that case.

    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Went into care at 15 months, fell through every crack right up to the time before the horrific attack. Eventually diagnosed with several severe disorders.

    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    The next one of him is being made at the moment, with a 3 year waiting list in some parts of the country for children to access a psychologist it's inevitable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Banned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Turner wrote: »
    !!!

    Wouldnt make financial sense to the legal profession to lock her up.
    !

    This always gets trotted out here with cases like this.

    Youd swear we had a shortage of scumbags in the country and the solicitors were all spending their days staring at the wall.

    Giving her a decent sentence will have no impact on the income of the countrys solicitors.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    branie2 wrote: »
    That's a lot!

    No way, is it?!?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Guys, prison doesn't work, they tried prison in america and there's still crime over there.

    How many people are victims of crime committed by people while they're in prison?

    Scumbags gonna scumbag. The longer they spend in jail the longer the respite the general public gets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,544 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    648 convictions! says a whole lot more about our justice system than it does about her, tbf. I'm sure the Garda are sick of cases like this.

    She should be made work for her dole, permanent community service. If she keeps offending, cut her off altogether, restricting what she calls income is the only way to get her attention.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The mental health act purposefully excludes all addiction related issues.

    Would be interested in the timing of that clause? and if it covers crime caused by addiction , or self harm while drink etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,532 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She should be made work for her dole

    She is homeless.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,544 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Boggles wrote: »
    She is homeless.

    Does that stop her getting dole?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    She should be locked up in a mental health facility. She's obviously got issues and it's pretty disgusting, not to mention a waste of tax payer money, to let her repeat these actions over and over like it's acceptable. If she were from Dublin 4 she'd be in a clinic for treatment somewhere after the first few convictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Boggles wrote: »
    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Always the system’s fault. Never the individual, is it?
    Boggles wrote: »
    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    So why let him out? His crime deserved an indefinite sentence. As does a rap sheet of over 600 convictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    What a joke of a system, people like her and that waste of space that had 200+ convictions knocking down a Law student (who suffered severe brain injuries from) should be permanently removed from society.

    Why should we suffer and them protected by this revolving door system??


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Aside from the absurdity of the 'last chance', that actually beggars belief. She has been an adult for 26 years (shorter than the amount of time she'd been behind bars), or almost 9,500 days. This is an average of one conviction per 27 days, every 27 days, for over a quarter of a century.

    I'm all against imprisonment for non-violent crime, but how in the name of Christ are you s'posed to fix something that is that broken? I mean, at this stage, it would be nearly cheaper to just pay for the stuff she's stealing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    when does the wellbeing of the many outweigh the rights of the one?


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,532 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nermal wrote: »
    Always the system’s fault. Never the individual, is it?

    No one said that. This Edgelord nonsense is just tiring. :rolleyes:

    Nermal wrote: »
    So why let him out? His crime deserved an indefinite sentence. As does a rap sheet of over 600 convictions.

    His crime "deserved" 14 years according to a Judge.

    Take it up with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    That’s an average of 648 offenses 24.9 offenses per year for her entire adult life, or 14.7 for her entire life

    I mean at that rate she was probably in the courts more often than many barristers!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Boggles wrote: »
    Way too simplistic, especially regarding the rapist in that case.

    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Went into care at 15 months, fell through every crack right up to the time before the horrific attack. Eventually diagnosed with several severe disorders.

    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    The next one of him is being made at the moment, with a 3 year waiting list in some parts of the country for children to access a psychologist it's inevitable.

    If the bail conditions were enforced he would have been imprisoned on remand and could not have committed that violent rape. That's a simple fact, which you seem to confuse with simplistic.

    You can blather on about people falling through the cracks until you're blue in the face but the fact is we already spend a significant amount on social services and may not be able to spend much more. Whereas a functioning criminal justice system that protects people from criminals is quite feasible and could easily make a dent in the obscene level of recidivism in Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    is kleptomania not a mental disorder?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Simple solution. 1 month mandatory prison sentence with no early release per previous conviction. You'd die of old age before you got over 30 convictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,532 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    If the bail conditions were enforced he would have been imprisoned on remand and could not have committed that violent rape.

    Maybe. Depends on how long he got. The offences were relatively minor. Wouldn't have stopped him raping someone else when he eventually got out though.

    What we do know for sure though, is if he had been sanctioned before that time he definitely couldn't of done it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    She's 44 she looks in her late 60s....

    Hard work that robbing.

    That's the toll spending 27 of your 44 years in jail has on her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Everyone deserves a 649th chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    +1 for a death sentence but if anyone can point out a positive effect she has on society I'd reconsider.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Simple solution:

    3 strikes and your out - mandatory 1000 year sentence, hard labour, cracking rocks on the moon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    gifted wrote: »
    10 convictions should automatically warrant a 10 year jail sentence

    She is a terrible thief, despite all the convictions , she is a homeless addict, she needs to be in a psychiatric unit for her own safety but the liberals who dictate policy view that as not nice so this is what we get


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Would be interested in the timing of that clause? and if it covers crime caused by addiction , or self harm while drink etc?

    It's just a straight out exclusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    To be quite honest, I'd rather see the focus being put on dealing with the supply of drugs at the top and mid levels. The majority of people who are ending up before the district courts are victims of addictive substances being sold by these gangs. Yeah, their actions are annoying and even infuriating if you're the victim of petty crime, but it's petty crime.

    We seem to spend an awful lot of time chasing petty stuff and it will not be resolved until we go after the mid and high level stuff in a much more aggressive way.

    I'd rather see very well funded treatment programmes and support programmes for addicts at the lower end of the pyramid. It's worth investing in, as we're not getting anywhere with the current approach which seems to be to burry our heads in the sand and pretend it will go away with normal policing.

    I mean someone like that turning up in court hundreds of times for the same offences is shocking but it's more an indictment of the policies and the system that for whatever reason, she's not getting the help to deal with her chaotic lifestyle. It's not good for her and it's not good for society.

    All these calls for capital punishment and extreme stuff are utter nonsense. Deal with the damn mess that has been allowed to grow up in our towns and cities. There's been so much handwringing for so long!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    people like that dont change. prison wont improve them. getting let off doesn't either.

    so off with her head i say.


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