Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Trampas · 06-12-2009 4:24pm #1

With Shane going to be starting his first full year on the tour what does he need to do to make him a better golfer?

I see he is 121st in scrambling so I guess his short game needs a touch up.

I say fitness is a key also.

Thankfully he has exemptions which should take some pressure of his game to allow his improve areas of his game he feels need strengthening.

MOD EDIT: Zero discussions around Shane's weight or body shape, any such posts will result in warnings, thank you

The_Kew_Tour · 06-12-2009 5:05pm

Personally I think Shane will turn into decent player over the years maybe not in the greats bracket but still think he can win his share trophies on tour.

Yes first thing he needs to look at his fitness. It has become a major player for likes of Woods and Harrington to watch what they eat and develop there muscles to become stronger and agile. Shane will have put bit time in gym.

Does anyone know his coach maybe he needs to get a decent pro especially in the short game department maybe someone like Mark Roe? Who I hear is getting good reviews from his pros anyway.

Pisco Sour · 06-12-2009 5:15pm

He's only 22! I see no reason to believe why he cant go on and be great and win a major(s). Harrington didnt even reach the World's top 10 until he was around 30, so Lowry has plenty of time. The last thing that is needed though is for everyone to be putting loads of pressure on him to be successful quickly. Let him develop in his own time.

gorfield · 06-12-2009 6:59pm

Shane has earned 250,000e since turning pro in 17 events. Why on earth does he need to become a better player??? He has won on tour, and has backed that up with some solid performances incl 3rd in the dunlop phoenix tournament recently. Instead of highlighting his awful scrambling stats, have a look at how impressive his GIR is.....that explains a lowly scrambling stat. Same for Rory, he might be way down the putting stats but that is due to the huge amount of greens he hits! Try looking beyond the negative stats lads. There is always something a little different between the winners on tour and the journeymen, ive played enough with shane and rory and trust me shane has it all......

heavyballs · 06-12-2009 7:03pm

04072511 wrote: »

He's only 22! I see no reason to believe why he cant go on and be great and win a major(s).

more chance of Ronan Rafferty coming back and winning a major imo,i said it at the time here that he was too hasty to turn pro and i beleive this has been proved.It took him 3 or 4 months before he started to do any proper physical training and it was stated in the media(could well be bs)that he was doing very little practice compared to the other pro's.
He'll be running a pro shop in 5 years imo

f22 · 06-12-2009 7:41pm

heavyballs wrote: »

He'll be running a pro shop in 5 years imo

I'll gladly place a large wager you are talking through your rear end!

liam12989 · 06-12-2009 8:09pm

lads i think everyone should let the lad do his own thing everyone is different.
Also anything can happen so its impossible to say if he will win more etc..
To make it on tour is a lot down to luck(holing a putt ere...missing a fairway...different things like that). The lad is 22 and has bundles of talent. But look at poor olly fisher that lad made walker cup team ahead of rory, he came through tour school easy the 1st year.He did very well on tour for couple of years.looked like he might move on and win this year and now he has no card and i dont think he has full challenge tour card. Golf is a very funny game

stumpypeeps · 06-12-2009 8:48pm

heavyballs wrote: »

He'll be running a pro shop in 5 years imo

Come on. You just shat that one out.

The biggest difference in my opinion between a journeyman and a winner is the ability to win when the opportunity is there. Shane Lowry has already passed that test. With time and work I'm sure he'll surpass your expectations.

heavyballs · 06-12-2009 9:40pm

f22 wrote: »

I'll gladly place a large wager you are talking through your rear end!

time will tell,it's my opinion,it's a forum isn't it

heavyballs · 06-12-2009 9:49pm

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Come on. You just shat that one out.

The biggest difference in my opinion between a journeyman and a winner is the ability to win when the opportunity is there. Shane Lowry has already passed that test. With time and work I'm sure he'll surpass your expectations.

imo he needs to change his swing and fitness regime,the fitness thing could go against him if he loses weight it can result in loss of timing(tim herron on the us tour had this problem)
i'm not a fan,sorry,do i have to be?

stumpypeeps · 06-12-2009 9:50pm

heavyballs wrote: »

time will tell,it's my opinion,it's a forum isn't it

Well having already earned 250,000 so far in 6 months of golf, if he even improves a little he'll surely avoid being a club pro in 5 years?

stumpypeeps · 06-12-2009 9:56pm

heavyballs wrote: »

imo he needs to change his swing and fitness regime,the fitness thing could go against him if he loses weight it can result in loss of timing(tim herron on the us tour had this problem)
i'm not a fan,sorry,do i have to be?

Not at all. But being 22 he has 10 years to improve before we see where his potential really is. Look at Harrington. Countless other cases.

What he does have is an ability to go really low. If his consistency improves over 4 days, through fitness and experience, he could be quite good I think. But like you, thats just my opinion. I have some reservations about McIlroy that probably wouldn't go down well either. But both are in different leagues now.

Aidric · 06-12-2009 9:56pm

I wouldn't get as carried away as other people about his Irish Open win. It was on a local course in fowl conditions. His form since then has been pretty paltry, 3rd place finish in a week phoenix tournament aside.

G1032 · 07-12-2009 12:19pm

What's with all the negativity? Shane Lowry will be and can be as good as he wants. He has already proven that he has the ability to withstand the pressures coming down the final stretch, in contention, in a European Tour event. He withstood the pressure better than a full field of seasoned pros.
It doesn't matter what course it was on or what the conditions were, it was the same for everyone.
How good he becomes from now on will depend a lot on his own hunger and desire. If he wants to just make a good living from golf then he doesn't need anymore improving. If he has ambitions to go on and be one of the top players in the world then he can be if he puts in the hours. Give him a break. He's only 22 years old. And as for his fitness - Montgomerie was never the slimest man in the world and it didn't do him any harm.

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 12:37pm

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Not at all. But being 22 he has 10 years to improve before we see where his potential really is. Look at Harrington. Countless other cases.

What he does have is an ability to go really low. If his consistency improves over 4 days, through fitness and experience, he could be quite good I think. But like you, thats just my opinion. I have some reservations about McIlroy that probably wouldn't go down well either. But both are in different leagues now.

If he hangs onto his card.
If he doesnt I think he will vanish into club-pro-land. To neglect his training (both physical and golf related) is a bad sign imo.
He could well go on to great things, but so far Im not sure if he has had to work hard enough to realize what he will lose if he doesnt earn and keep his card when the exemptions run out.

He is a standout player on the EuroTour at the moment, mainly because he is twice the size of everyone else!

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 12:39pm

ronaldochokes wrote: »

And as for his fitness - Montgomerie was never the slimest man in the world and it didn't do him any harm.

True, but back then everyone was similiar. I think you would be in the minority now if you thought that being unfit and overweight wasnt a handicap (har har) in the modern game.

G1032 · 07-12-2009 1:48pm

GreeBo wrote: »

True, but back then everyone was similiar. I think you would be in the minority now if you thought that being unfit and overweight wasnt a handicap (har har) in the modern game.

Ya. I do think that in this day and age that you have a better chance of success if you're fit. It's a worldwide game now and I'm sure the demands of todays game would be easier to handle if you're a fit athlete. Less chance of fatigue affecting you etc.

charlieIRL · 07-12-2009 2:00pm

true, but i wouldn't call angel cabrera or lee westwood slim men either!! Their physical size doesn't affect their performances!

Trampas · 07-12-2009 2:08pm

The idea of the thread is about Shane improving his game to make him more consistent and fighting for titles.

I thought Lee came out and said he has worked very hard on his fitness which has shown to good results.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-12-2009 3:04pm

Trampas wrote: »

The idea of the thread is about Shane improving his game to make him more consistent and fighting for titles.

I thought Lee came out and said he has worked very hard on his fitness which has shown to good results.

He has indeed actually you can see it yourself looks in decent shape and his game has improved because of it.

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 3:48pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

but i wouldn't call angel cabrera or lee westwood slim men either

I wouldnt call them incredibly consistent either though...

jimjo · 07-12-2009 3:56pm

Good piece in today's indo about Lowry

http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/spurred-by-golden-memories-1966098.html

stumpypeeps · 07-12-2009 4:47pm

Looks like he's got his head well screwed on.

All these questions about his work ethic does say one thing, he definitely has the natural talent.
Plus being from Offaly he's born with that winning mentality.:p

gorfield · 07-12-2009 5:04pm

jimjo wrote: »

Good piece in today's indo about Lowry

http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/spurred-by-golden-memories-1966098.html

And heres you lot all knocking the chap because hes unfit, and cant get it up and down. Shame on the begrudging irish mentality. :mad:

mag · 07-12-2009 5:48pm

gorfield wrote: »

And heres you lot all knocking the chap because hes unfit, and cant get it up and down. Shame on the begrudging irish mentality. :mad:

100%. ive been pretty impressed with his results lately & also with the fact that he grasped the 'mate as caddy' nettle pretty quickly. id be hopeful of a decent 2010 season for shane.

PhilipMarlowe · 07-12-2009 5:52pm

I can't understand the mentality either... his win was one of the sporting highlights of the year... only a Duval win at the US Open could have topped it it golfing terms for me.
He has already shown himself to be quite accomplished despite his youth and inexperience.
Looking forward to tracking his progress (however he fares).

Mister Sifter · 07-12-2009 6:02pm

Licksy wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality either... his win was one of the sporting highlights of the year... only a Duval win at the US Open could have topped it it golfing terms for me.
He has already shown himself to be quite accomplished despite his youth and inexperience.
Looking forward to tracking his progress (however he fares).

The bit i can't fathom is those who say things along the lines of 'he'll never be a regular winner on tour, or a major champion, or a top ten in the world player'.

It's said as though that would make him a failure. Not everyone can become a Padraig Harrington, but even if he doesn't hit those heights, i'd be pretty confident that he will make a very nice career for himself playing pro golf.

G1032 · 07-12-2009 7:01pm

GreeBo wrote: »

I wouldnt call them incredibly consistent either though...

Westwood is ranked as the 4th best golfer in the world. Do you not need incredible sustained consistency to reach them heights?

G1032 · 07-12-2009 7:05pm

Licksy wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality either... his win was one of the sporting highlights of the year... only a Duval win at the US Open could have topped it it golfing terms for me.
He has already shown himself to be quite accomplished despite his youth and inexperience.
Looking forward to tracking his progress (however he fares).

It's a typical Irish begrudging menatlity. If he's not winning regular majors people reckon he's not able to make the grade. People I know still mouth off about Harrington even - usual crap like he'll never win another major, he's not able to hack it against the big boys enough, he was lucky to win his majors etc. Boils my blood that does.

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 7:25pm

ronaldochokes wrote: »

Westwood is ranked as the 4th best golfer in the world. Do you not need incredible sustained consistency to reach them heights?

He is 4th at the moment which is his best ever position...he is also in the best physical shape of his career....hmmm

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 7:30pm

Licksy wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality either... his win was one of the sporting highlights of the year... only a Duval win at the US Open could have topped it it golfing terms for me.
He has already shown himself to be quite accomplished despite his youth and inexperience.
Looking forward to tracking his progress (however he fares).

I dont think its necessarily begrudging to point out that if he wants to become the best in the world (or even a contender) that there are somethings he needs to address.
Shortgame and physical fitness have been mentioned as two candidates and I dont see anything wrong with this. Surely you agree, for example, that he has plenty of scope for improving his fitness?

I do however think its silly to say things like "he will never be as good as" etc, but I dont think that just because he is Irish we should ignore some faults he has. He has proclaimed that he isnt a big fan of practicing. In my opinion thats not going to help you get to #1.

Was also rooting for Duval, he seems to have vanished again and missed his card for next year

stumpypeeps · 07-12-2009 7:59pm

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont think its necessarily begrudging to point out that if he wants to become the best in the world (or even a contender) that there are somethings he needs to address.
Shortgame and physical fitness have been mentioned as two candidates and I dont see anything wrong with this. Surely you agree, for example, that he has plenty of scope for improving his fitness?

I do however think its silly to say things like "he will never be as good as" etc, but I dont think that just because he is Irish we should ignore some faults he has. He has proclaimed that he isnt a big fan of practicing. In my opinion thats not going to help you get to #1.

Was also rooting for Duval, he seems to have vanished again and missed his card for next year

He's on tour 7 months, lets give him a chance at least!

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 8:03pm

stumpypeeps wrote: »

He's on tour 7 months, lets give him a chance at least!

But a chance to what? Decide that he should get fit and practice?
Seems to me that as a professional in the modern era those decisions should have been made before he turned pro. Otherwise stay as an amateur or be happy as a journeyman.
btw, being a journeyman is no bad thing!

stumpypeeps · 07-12-2009 8:04pm

GreeBo wrote: »

But a chance to what? Decide that he should get fit and practice?
Seems to me that as a professional in the modern era those decisions should have been made before he turned pro. Otherwise stay as an amateur or be happy as a journeyman.
btw, being a journeyman is no bad thing!

Have you not read the indo article referenced in the thread?

He seems to be addressing that fitness with eric miller. An expert in biomechanics, apparently.

GreeBo · 07-12-2009 8:12pm

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Have you not read the indo article referenced in the thread?

He seems to be addressing that fitness with eric miller. An expert in biomechanics, apparently.

Yeah I have read it. But I stand by the opinion that this should have all been happening from the day he decided he wanted to become a pro. It seems to me a bit like the day we made this decision was the same day he actually turned pro whereas I think for most other youngsters they decided they wanted to be pros very early on and did everything in their power to achieve that.

Im not knocking his achievements, just saying that I think he has not put 100% into it...yet.

stumpypeeps · 07-12-2009 8:22pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Im not knocking his achievements, just saying that I think he has not put 100% into it...yet.

Yeah, thats a fair statement. Lets hope he does, He's obviously got a lot of talent.

Also its so hard to win your first tournament. Look at Harrington and Mcilroy.
Perhaps, winning the irish open, will give him a lot of confidence in the future.

Physically, if he turns out like his dad, he will be an excellent athlete.

Mister Sifter · 07-12-2009 8:26pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Yeah I have read it. But I stand by the opinion that this should have all been happening from the day he decided he wanted to become a pro. It seems to me a bit like the day we made this decision was the same day he actually turned pro whereas I think for most other youngsters they decided they wanted to be pros very early on and did everything in their power to achieve that.

Im not knocking his achievements, just saying that I think he has not put 100% into it...yet.

He's spoken all along about slowly finding his feet and i think he's doing that. You have to remember that in his mind, he though he was going to have another 6 months minimum as an amateur before making the move to the pro ranks the gradual way (tour school etc).

Turning pro as suddenly as he did was probably enough for him to deal with without all of a sudden having a strict fitness programme thrust into his routine. The 2 year exemption means he can do so. He had to see how his game/physique etc held up on tour before deciding what changes he needed to make surely.

golfbgud · 07-12-2009 10:29pm

adrian280582 wrote: »

Personally I think Shane will turn into decent player over the years maybe not in the greats bracket but still think he can win his share trophies on tour.

Yes first thing he needs to look at his fitness. It has become a major player for likes of Woods and Harrington to watch what they eat and develop there muscles to become stronger and agile. Shane will have put bit time in gym.

Does anyone know his coach maybe he needs to get a decent pro especially in the short game department maybe someone like Mark Roe? Who I hear is getting good reviews from his pros anyway.

Mark Roe - Are you serious??

Mister Sifter · 07-12-2009 10:30pm

golfbgud wrote: »

Mark Roe - Are you serious??

He's done wonders for Lee Westwood's game. Not sure whether Lowry would be the type of client he would take on though.

f22 · 07-12-2009 10:34pm

golfbgud wrote: »

Mark Roe - Are you serious??

One of the best short game coaches in Europe, worked wonders with Lee Westwood ......

Sifter just beat me to it, coaches Ross Fisher too.

Jersey Girl · 07-12-2009 10:34pm

Folks, give the kid a break. How many 22-year-old guys in Ireland have amassed €245,000 in six months?

golfbgud · 07-12-2009 10:50pm

f22 wrote: »

One of the best short game coaches in Europe, worked wonders with Lee Westwood ......

Sifter just beat me to it, coaches Ross Fisher too.

Has Lee Westwood and Ross Fisher actually fully and openly endorsed Mark Roe as being their wonder short game coach?

golfbgud · 07-12-2009 11:10pm

Shane is a very likable young man who has talent. That's a proven fact.

He has made the tough decision to part company with his original caddy and invested in an experienced tour caddy (Dermot) - A good move and a clear investment in his career.

Unlike others, Shane has gone straight from Irish Club Golf to ETour Golf without the breeding/training grounds e.g. Challenge Tour. This is far from easy. It's not an impossible step just more difficult.

He's Irish and it's great to see him on tour along with Peter, Damien, Gary, Paul and Padraig.

As for fitness and and routines etc - don't be fooled into thinking that all the Tour Players are sold on this stuff as a lot of them are NOT. Yes, there are lots of fitness coaches hovering around wanting to advise the players and get a cut of their winnings.

Shane should set himself some sound realistic goals for the 2010 season (with good advice), not targeting on #1 but a series of realistic and achievable steps to build his confidence and experience.

Let's give him a chance and see what happens. He's young and has plenty of time to grow and mature.

Best of Luck to him........

useurename · 08-12-2009 12:01am

he is 22 and coming to grips with being a young rich sportstar.id say he will no a lot of home cooking and guiness this xmas and why not.next year there is plenty of time to get fit

gorfield · 08-12-2009 1:58pm

Im tired looking at all of this tbh, im not name dropping here but as a friend and team-mate of shanes i am seeing how much work he is doing on his fitness, with Eric Miller, the focus isnt on losing weight, hes working hard on strength and flexibility, which are way more important than being pencil thin. And as for this rubbish you lot talk about his short game????? LMAO the boy has a wonderful short game, iv seen it up close for the past 4yrs!!Hes doing something right, as a major club manufacturer has secured his signature for 3yrs starting in january. So stop being armchair experts and know some bloody facts before knocking a guy that has achieved one of the greatest irish sporting achievements!!!!!:mad:

conno16 · 08-12-2009 2:04pm

gorfield wrote: »

So stop being armchair experts and know some bloody facts before knocking a guy that has achieved one of the greatest irish sporting achievements!!!!!:mad:

:D:D

on of the greatest my ass

tiptap · 08-12-2009 2:09pm

gorfield wrote: »

one of the greatest irish sporting achievements!!!!!:mad:

lol,what are you like ...

mag · 08-12-2009 2:32pm

Begrudgery

A peculiar disease of the Irish which seemingly renders them unable to to feel good about the success of their fellows. As soon as some Irish man or woman makes a name for themselves at home or abroad, the mutterings start: "Of course, everyone really knows how s/he really got their money." "Sure, isn't the stuff s/he writes all well and good for highfalutin Yank professors, but what does it say to the average Joe Soap in the street?" And so on, ad nauseum.

http://www.beerandloathing.com/glos_b.htm

tiptap · 08-12-2009 2:34pm

mag wrote: »

Begrudgery

A peculiar disease of the Irish which seemingly renders them unable to to feel good about the success of their fellows. As soon as some Irish man or woman makes a name for themselves at home or abroad, the mutterings start: "Of course, everyone really knows how s/he really got their money." "Sure, isn't the stuff s/he writes all well and good for highfalutin Yank professors, but what does it say to the average Joe Soap in the street?" And so on, ad nauseum.

http://www.beerandloathing.com/glos_b.htm

thanks for the English lesson

gorfield · 08-12-2009 2:45pm

tiptap wrote: »

thanks for the English lesson

Poor english is a known trait of trolls.....

conno16 · 08-12-2009 2:46pm

hey gorfield did you run out onto the green when lowry finally won the irish masters there earlier in the year?

Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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