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N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

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  • #2352
    sideswipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Couple of pics from yesterday:

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  • #2353
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The barrow crossing 26/01/20
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  • #2354
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    Fantastic pics everyone and thanks so much M17 for your excellent coverage over the years of the building project.


    Are there signs to warn "No hard shoulder on bridge" ? It does look awfully narrow !


  • #2355
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That old section of N25 looked atrocious. I drove one day lately for a look and it's hard to believe that was a National route once. And not that long ago? When did the Glenmore-New ross scheme open? Mid 90s or was it earlier?


  • #2356
    gman2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    I heard some of the volunteer marshalls were allowed to drive across the bridge after the event yesterday.


  • #2357
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    To be clear, it's the whole bypass opening on 30th, not just the bridge segment?


  • #2358
    mercury16
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭mercury16


    This has probably been asked and answered before but why, is the bridge built as narrow with just barely the two lanes on either side. The Suir crossing / Waterford city bypass, is in my humble opinion the correct width, was it money?


  • #2359
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    spacetweek wrote: »
    To be clear, it's the whole bypass opening on 30th, not just the bridge segment?

    I think so. The bypass outside New Ross (Wexford side) has been completed a while.


  • #2360
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    mercury16 wrote: »
    This has probably been asked and answered before but why, is the bridge built as narrow with just barely the two lanes on either side. The Suir crossing / Waterford city bypass, is in my humble opinion the correct width, was it money?

    Yeah it is narrow alright it was the first thing i noticed when i got on it. I did not walk the rest of the road only the bridge, is the rest of the road that narrow aswell?


  • #2361
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    spacetweek wrote: »
    To be clear, it's the whole bypass opening on 30th, not just the bridge segment?

    Yes. The majority of the bypass has been complete with months. It’s just the bridge and approach we’ve been waiting on


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  • #2362
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    road_high wrote: »
    That old section of N25 looked atrocious. I drove one day lately for a look and it's hard to believe that was a National route once. And not that long ago? When did the Glenmore-New ross scheme open? Mid 90s or was it earlier?


    Up until the early 90s nearly, this was the route around Dungarvan.


    https://goo.gl/maps/HxZzyUhbUmYnWUnw6


    https://goo.gl/maps/3r75JbMhSS3gir229


  • #2363
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    mercury16 wrote: »
    This has probably been asked and answered before but why, is the bridge built as narrow with just barely the two lanes on either side. The Suir crossing / Waterford city bypass, is in my humble opinion the correct width, was it money?

    The expected traffic levels just don't justify anything wider.


  • #2364
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    road_high wrote: »
    That old section of N25 looked atrocious. I drove one day lately for a look and it's hard to believe that was a National route once. And not that long ago? When did the Glenmore-New ross scheme open? Mid 90s or was it earlier?


    I think it opened in 1991.
    The road was originally laid down in 1910 according to my granduncle.
    When it was a national route, it was considerably wider than what you see now.
    The verges have been allowed to grow in, and in many places the road has been artificially narrowed with embankments to discourage overnighting.


  • #2365
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Up until the early 90s nearly, this was the route around Dungarvan.


    https://goo.gl/maps/HxZzyUhbUmYnWUnw6


    https://goo.gl/maps/3r75JbMhSS3gir229

    Wow. Those corkscrews were unreal. Must have taken hours to get from Waterford to Cork back then let alone Wexford.


  • #2366
    NedNew2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭NedNew2


    josip wrote: »
    I think it opened in 1991.
    The road was originally laid down in 1910 according to my granduncle.
    When it was a national route, it was considerably wider than what you see now.
    The verges have been allowed to grow in and in many places, the road has been artificially narrowed with embankments to discourage overnighting.

    There were (and still are) two railway bridges over the old Ross-Waterford road at acute angles. There was chaos and lengthy delays whenever a lorry met another at these bridges. Sadly many suicides occurred there also. There were countless accidents and many fatalities on that stretch of road. Some ended up in the Barrow. It has a dark and tragic past.


  • #2367
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    NedNew2 wrote: »
    There were (and still are) two railway bridges over the old road at acute angles. There was chaos and lengthy delays whenever a lorry met another at these bridges. Sadly many suicides occurred there also. There were countless accidents and many fatalities on that stretch of road. Some ended up in the Barrow. It has a dark and tragic past.


    Aye, ever since the monks cursed the town.


  • #2368
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    NedNew2 wrote: »
    There were (and still are) two railway bridges over the old Ross-Waterford road at acute angles. There was chaos and lengthy delays whenever a lorry met another at these bridges. Sadly many suicides occurred there also. There were countless accidents and many fatalities on that stretch of road. Some ended up in the Barrow. It has a dark and tragic past.

    Really? Jesus that is gruesome. I'm sure the accident fatality rate must have been fairly grim for sure. To be fair the N25 has been fairly transformed the past 30 years plus.


  • #2369
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I was never allowed to get a dog or a cat growing up, life expectancy was too short on the road.
    But if a stray wandered in, then that was ok and they were gladly adopted.
    The longest any of the pets ever survived, was a mongrel terrier for 2 years.
    The shortest was a black kitten that had been with us for 6 days.


  • #2370
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    josip wrote: »
    I was never allowed to get a dog or a cat growing up, life expectancy was too short on the road.
    But if a stray wandered in, then that was ok and they were gladly adopted.
    The longest any of the pets ever survived, was a mongrel terrier for 2 years.
    The shortest was a black kitten that had been with us for 6 days.

    Did you live right along the old road?


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  • #2371
    josip
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    road_high wrote: »
    Did you live right along the old road?


    Yes. I would have cycled along it to school by myself from 3rd class, so that would have been 8 years old.
    There were many benefits to living on the road, you could get a bus from your gate into town. Even the express to Waterford would drop you off at the gate if you asked them nicely in New Ross.
    You learned from an early age to be careful, but I think because it was narrow, the traffic was also more considerate to pedestrians and cyclists, especially if they were children.
    The artics especially would usually bide their time behind you if there was any oncoming traffic.
    I remember the first day the traffic changed. The neighbours emerged from their houses onto the road like Londoners after a WWII bombing raid. It only took my mother a week to come out with, "You'd miss the traffic all the same".


  • #2372
    Hibernicis
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    NedNew2 wrote: »
    There were (and still are) two railway bridges over the old Ross-Waterford road at acute angles. There was chaos and lengthy delays whenever a lorry met another at these bridges.

    I used to drive that road regularly on the my way from Cork to Dublin (to avoid Naas, Newbridge, Monastrevin, Portlaoise Fermoy, Mitchelstown, and all the other bottlenecks on the old N7). I well remember the standoffs under one of those bridges, seeing one artic having to give way to another, then plead with the drivers behind him to back up enough to allow him to reverse sufficiently to allow the oncoming artic to proceed. It was the kind of thing you expected to read about the following Wednesday in the local weekly rag. This was actually going through my head yesterday as I walked over the bridge and looked down on the Pink Rock road.

    A different era.


  • #2373
    Hibernicis
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    gman2k wrote: »
    I heard some of the volunteer marshalls were allowed to drive across the bridge after the event yesterday.

    According to the announcer on the tannoy, one of the groups providing marshals was the Wexford Sports and Classic Car Club - They had a few of their cars lined up near the starting line. More power to them if they did get the chance to drive the route, it was well deserved. They were on site for four or five hours and spent a lot of it standing still on a pretty cold day. And they were cheerful and pleasant throughout.


  • #2374
    Hibernicis
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    alta stare wrote: »
    Yeah it is narrow alright it was the first thing i noticed when i got on it. I did not walk the rest of the road only the bridge, is the rest of the road that narrow aswell?

    No. There are hard shoulders, though these are of variable/inconsistent width.


  • #2375
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Hibernicis wrote: »
    I used to drive that road regularly on the my way from Cork to Dublin (to avoid Naas, Newbridge, Monastrevin, Portlaoise Fermoy, Mitchelstown, and all the other bottlenecks on the old N7). I well remember the standoffs under one of those bridges, seeing one artic having to give way to another, then plead with the drivers behind him to back up enough to allow him to reverse sufficiently to allow the oncoming artic to proceed. It was the kind of thing you expected to read about the following Wednesday in the local weekly rag. This was actually going through my head yesterday as I walked over the bridge and looked down on the Pink Rock road.

    A different era.


    The two bridges were Annaghs Bridge and what I always knew as The County Road Bridge. I think others might have called it the Ballyverneen Bridge. Of the two, the County Road Bridge was the worst for lorry drivers because from both sides they had to sweep before they could see through. Whereas Annaghs Bridge it was straightish in from one side and one lorry could see and wait.

    In between the 2 bridges you had the hamburger lady in a "lay by" by the Pink Rock. She was an enterprising German woman who lived directly across on the other side of the river and she'd drive a caravan via Ross every day to serve burgers to motorists. In those days the river used to come all the way into the road and was even more scenic than it is today.

    The shipping channel was also beside the road on that side of the river. That was before the Dutch came along and straightened the river, as the Dutch are wont to do.

    But not before the Celtic Linen van went off the road one icy morning where the new bridge is now and down the sheer bank. Saved by a few strong trees that held the van before it got to the water.


  • #2376
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Those railway bridges remind a lot of the ones on the old N9 between Ballyhale and Mullinavat but even narrower. Another desperate stretch of road in Co. Kilkenny now thankfully bypassed. I don't think a modern Arctic would physically fit under that second one. Which must have been a nightmare for foreign trucks especially that may not have been familiar with this "national" road! And this went on until the early 90s? Dear God!


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  • #2377
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The port of Ross was used by a lot of car manufacturers back in the 80s for landing their cars. There was a long running strike in Waterford port so New Ross was a convenient alternative.

    The car transports couldn't fit under those bridges so they used to have to go up around the back of Albatros and head on towards Glenmore that way.

    Anyone who wants to, can Google Street map it to see what it was like.


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    Unlike the road around the Pink Rock, it's as wide now as it was then.


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  • #2378
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    josip wrote: »
    The two bridges were Annaghs Bridge and what I always knew as The County Road Bridge. I think others might have called it the Ballyverneen Bridge. Of the two, the County Road Bridge was the worst for lorry drivers because from both sides they had to sweep before they could see through. Whereas Annaghs Bridge it was straightish in from one side and one lorry could see and wait.

    In between the 2 bridges you had the hamburger lady in a "lay by" by the Pink Rock. She was an enterprising German woman who lived directly across on the other side of the river and she'd drive a caravan via Ross every day to serve burgers to motorists. In those days the river used to come all the way into the road and was even more scenic than it is today.

    The shipping channel was also beside the road on that side of the river. That was before the Dutch came along and straightened the river, as the Dutch are wont to do.

    But not before the Celtic Linen van went off the road one icy morning where the new bridge is now and down the sheer bank. Saved by a few strong trees that held the van before it got to the water.

    These old stories about how it was are great to read. Glad it isnt like that anymore though :D


  • #2379
    BowWow
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    MichealD wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but the new overpass bridge in the centre of this photo is to facilitate the New Ross to Waterford city greenway (The Kilkenny Greenway) project currently under construction. Its a 24km route along the old railway line.

    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.


  • #2380
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.

    I was genuinely wondering this, myself..


  • #2381
    bodun
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭bodun


    josip wrote: »
    Aye, ever since the monks cursed the town.


    Yea, the curse was apparently that the river would take 3 people a year and many years it did just that unfortunately. Can't wait to get down home again for a spin across the bridge. We did a lot of galavanting and divilment around the pink rock when younger, little did we know that this would ever happen!


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  • #2382
    Tigerbaby
    Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby


    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.


    Well, it did back in the late 60's when I went to Knock on the pilgrimage train !

    Also remember visiting Annaghs Castle as a child on our bikes. And the "mile tunnel" rite of passage.


  • #2383
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.
    Tigerbaby wrote: »
    Well, it did back in the late 60's when I went to Knock on the pilgrimage train !

    Also remember visiting Annaghs Castle as a child on our bikes. And the "mile tunnel" rite of passage.

    Time travel?


  • #2384
    Tigerbaby
    Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby


    I was referencing the old railway bridges on the old N25.
    Totally missed the "new bridge" post.

    apologies.


  • #2385
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.


    I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt it. Railway lines like straight lines and low gradients. This bridge has neither. Nor does it have the space to accommodate both rail and motor vehicles.


  • #2386
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.

    It's extremely unlikely for the line to ever be re-instated so unlikely that the question of it carrying a train was even considered.

    Even if it was considered at the planning stage, the increased costs of having a bridge to railway standard would have been difficult to justify in the plans - given the low probability of it ever actually being needed.


  • #2387
    BowWow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt it. Railway lines like straight lines and low gradients. This bridge has neither. Nor does it have the space to accommodate both rail and motor vehicles.

    We're not talking about the river bridge, but the greenway bridge across the access road to the river bridge. Post 2312.

    Pictures here - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112294727&postcount=2281


  • #2388
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    With all due respect, we're more likely to colonise Mars than reopen the New Ross railway line as a rail line
    There is zero business case for it that I can think of.
    Albatross kept it open for the last 15-20 years of its existence.


  • #2389
    BowWow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    josip wrote: »
    we're more likely to colonise Mars than reopen the railway line as a rail line

    Isn't that what they said about Phase 1 of the western rail corridor? :D


  • #2390
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    BowWow wrote: »
    Isn't that what they said about Phase 1 of the western rail corridor? :D


    :D
    The only thing that ex goods line had in common with the Western Rail corridor, was that it terminated in "Little Limerick" as New Ross was referred to by some at the time.


  • #2391
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    From the scheme website:
    Around 29 structures including:

    The landmark River Barrow crossing will connect Pink Point in County Kilkenny and Stokestown in County Wexford. This Extrados type bridge, at 900m, will be the longest bridge in Ireland and the longest bridge of this type in the world.
    3 local road overbridges, one at Camlin, one at Arnestown and one at Lacken
    A railway overbridge at Ballyverneen, where the bypass intersects with a closed railway line
    Seven local road under bridges, one at Ballyverneen, one at Stokestown, one over the R733 in Landscape (part of the grade separated junction), one at Creakan upper, 1 at Ballymacar and 2 at Lacken.
    3 Retaining Wall structures adjacent to the LS-7513 Ballyverneen and the R733 at Camlin
    And other minor structures such as 13 accommodation underpasses, structural and non-structural culverts, sign gantries and environmental barriers

    this would seem to imply that it is a railway bridge. Irish Rail tend to guard the integrity of their lines, even if they're disused (at least from 3rd parties, not so much from their own indifference). I think the New Ross branch is still classed as an engineering siding, even though it's been impassible for 20+ years. Didn't the M17 include structures for the Tuam railway, which has been out of action for a similar period of time.


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  • #2392
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The barrow crossing 28/01/20 (pic fb)
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    47 hours 43 mins 37 secs to opening


  • #2393
    Hibernicis
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    BowWow wrote: »
    Is that new bridge able to take the weight of a train? If the railway was ever to be re-instated. Genuine question.

    The “Railway”bridge from the Glenmore roundabout side on Sunday last.

    I’m not qualified to say if it would take the weight of a train, but it certainly appears to be a lot more substantial than most other pedestrian/cycle over bridges I’ve seen. 

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  • #2394
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    alta stare wrote: »
    These old stories about how it was are great to read. Glad it isnt like that anymore though :D


    This is another classic, slightly off topic.


    Before the Conwy tunnel was built on the Holyhead to Wales/England road, the town of Conwy was one of the worst bottlenecks, even with its one way system.


    Yes, artics went through this.


    https://goo.gl/maps/9YH9S55CMKyTUHZu7


    https://goo.gl/maps/8xRgAi8aQ1JQwNCG8


  • #2395
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    This is another classic, slightly off topic.


    Before the Conwy tunnel was built on the Holyhead to Wales/England road, the town of Conwy was one of the worst bottlenecks, even with its one way system.


    Yes, artics went through this.


    https://goo.gl/maps/9YH9S55CMKyTUHZu7


    https://goo.gl/maps/8xRgAi8aQ1JQwNCG8

    That's tight alright :D


  • #2396
    kravmaga
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    So its only 24 hrs or so from the opening, I presume Shane Roass will cut the ribbon or will it be local TD's from the area.

    Looks like a very impressive piece of infrastructure


  • #2397
    gman2k
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    kravmaga wrote:
    So its only 24 hrs or so from the opening, I presume Shane Roass will cut the ribbon or will it be local TD's from the area.


    It's meant to be Leo.


  • #2398
    Andrew33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    gman2k wrote: »
    It's meant to be Leo.

    He’d go to the opening of an envelope if he thought he’d get media coverage.


  • #2399
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Will the road not be open to traffic shortly after Leo opens it? Wasnt that what happened with the Enniscorthy bypass? It was scheduled to open the following day after the offical opening but i thought i heard it actually was opened to traffic that evening.


  • #2400
    amber69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭amber69


    alta stare wrote: »
    Will the road not be open to traffic shortly after Leo opens it? Wasnt that what happened with the Enniscorthy bypass? It was scheduled to open the following day after the offical opening but i thought i heard it actually was opened to traffic that evening.

    Scheduled for traffic from midday Thursday I think. I won't be able to get there until next week.


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  • #2401
    blindsider
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    Going Friday...!!! [Excited now!!]


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