3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

sparky42 · 02-02-2019 5:08pm

scuby wrote: »

Just looking at a program on discovery, HDMS Absalon looks good. Room for a lynx chopper also that can refuel without landing, doing a hover. A flex deck with a door opening on the Hull.. Might be to big for us?

Rumour is that pre Crash a "downgraded" Absalon was being looked at for the EPV (so no missiles, just a 76mm mount). The issue now is that the ship hasn't been built for over a decade, don't know how much extra costs it would be to get the yard to build a new one (think that builder has since gone under and been bought out), there's also issues trying to get it within the pricetag that has been reported for the EPV.

If we'd have got one it would have been a massive upgrade for the NS.

jonnybigwallet · 02-02-2019 10:01pm

Me and Sparky are on the same page about this.

Tabnabs · 12-02-2019 1:12pm

Due in to Dublin Port today.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:186010/ship_name:HMS_MERSEY

sparky42 · 12-02-2019 1:27pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Due in to Dublin Port today.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:186010/ship_name:HMS_MERSEY

Have they managed to fix the defects with the new Batch of Rivers?

Folkstonian · 12-02-2019 3:30pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Have they managed to fix the defects with the new Batch of Rivers?

I don’t believe so. HMS Forth is still in Portsmouth, where she’s been for ages, and the rest are with BAE.

Markcheese · 12-02-2019 3:45pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Have they managed to fix the defects with the new Batch of Rivers?

What's up with them?

sparky42 · 12-02-2019 3:55pm

Markcheese wrote: »

What's up with them?

Well the first one was refused by the RN when it was found that bolt heads had been sheared during construction and glued back on to hid it, think she's still back with BAE being put right.

12-02-2019 4:07pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Well the first one was refused by the RN when it was found that bolt heads had been sheared during construction and glued back on to hid it, think she's still back with BAE being put right.

Oh lordy if that is the quality of the workmanship God only knows what else is in there.

I'm not surprised they refused it.

Savage93 · 12-02-2019 7:36pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Me and Sparky are on the same page about this.

Spark, you must be thrilled about this.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

jonnybigwallet · 22-02-2019 4:59pm

Now that the Brits have gone completely stupid about Brexit...we need to be looking at the position regarding Rockall. Time to order some hefty frigates and a few submarines imo. And lets get the Rangers out on to the rock!

jonnybigwallet · 22-02-2019 4:59pm

Now that the Brits have gone completely stupid about Brexit...we need to be looking at the position regarding Rockall. Time to order some hefty frigates and a few submarines imo. And lets get the Rangers out on to the rock!

22-02-2019 5:08pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Now that the Brits have gone completely stupid about Brexit...we need to be looking at the position regarding Rockall. Time to order some hefty frigates and a few submarines imo. And lets get the Rangers out on to the rock!

Its the middle of February, you can go out there first.........:pac:

Larbre34 · 23-02-2019 3:28pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Its the middle of February, you can go out there first.........:pac:

Anytime of the year he can go first.

jonnybigwallet · 28-02-2019 6:45pm

Don't know if any of you lads have been keeping an eye on the arms fair thats going on in the UAE at the moment...but the Kalashnikov company have launched a brand new UAV. Highly capable and accurate and low cost into the bargain. We could do with a few of them on the P60's! Check it out on google. Specs and a video are available.

sparky42 · 28-02-2019 8:27pm

Is it needed to say "NATO Standard" in a different language?

sparky42 · 28-02-2019 11:41pm

To go back to the question of the Peacock's and their replacement and the potential impact of Brexit, anyone see tonights howls of outrage from the DUP about two NI ships being detained, seems Dundalk Bay is now UK waters as well...

jonnybigwallet · 01-03-2019 8:31am

Excellent work by the navy! I see the Spanish navy have been giving the brits some grief down in Gibraltar as well this week. Maybe we should invite them over to do some joint exercises in the vicinity of Rockall!

Markcheese · 01-03-2019 8:39am

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Excellent work by the navy! I see the Spanish navy have been giving the brits some grief down in Gibraltar as well this week. Maybe we should invite them over to do some joint exercises in the vicinity of Rockall!

Don't we already have an agreement about rockall.?

Leonidas BL · 01-03-2019 4:23pm

Its just a rock ffs...

jonnybigwallet · 01-03-2019 9:42pm

"NATO STANDARD" Ah well...we'll have to get rid of the oileann pipes then! And the boiled gammon and colcannon!

sparky42 · 02-03-2019 12:52am

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

"NATO STANDARD" Ah well...we'll have to get rid of the oileann pipes then! And the boiled gammon and colcannon!

How bad is your cooking that you use them as weapons?

jonnybigwallet · 23-03-2019 12:11pm

Nothing beats a bit of ROCKET in a salad!

Smiles35 · 26-03-2019 6:45am

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Don't know if any of you lads have been keeping an eye on the arms fair thats going on in the UAE at the moment...but the Kalashnikov company have launched a brand new UAV. Highly capable and accurate and low cost into the bargain. We could do with a few of them on the P60's! Check it out on google. Specs and a video are available.

Should actually. If we have to do border checks let the Navy handle it with those.

Tabnabs · 29-03-2019 1:08pm

The Royal Norwegian Navy’s new logistics and support vessel HNoMS Maud has arrived from the builders yard. Based on BMT’s scalable AEGIR platform design https://www.bmtdsl.co.uk/bmt-design-portfolio/auxiliaries/bmt-aegir-logistic-support-vessels/. The 26,000-tonne logistics and support vessel is fully winterised, has a helicopter flight deck and hangar, and a 48-bed hospital capability.

Maud will be used by the navy to provide fuel and fresh water for other units at sea. It will additionally support allies and take part in international and humanitarian missions

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Let's hope they keep it off the rocks

jonnybigwallet · 30-03-2019 6:50am

Cool looking piece of kit, though I think I'd prefer a Memo 200 class frigate meself

jonnybigwallet · 02-04-2019 7:12am

I see Merkel is coming over to Dublin to put some pressure on Leo about policing the NI border. Opportunity there to get some EU funds to beef up the armed forces. Maybe a frigate or two and a squadron of fast jets.

banie01 · 02-04-2019 9:51pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Maybe a frigate or two and a squadron of fast jets.

A frigate and fast jets for policing our land border?
Really...
Well in that case sure we may as well hit Merkel up for their mothballed Leopards and Marders too!
We can just up the numbers in the DF by 10k and sort out a pile of new forward bases along the border too while we are at it

mikeym · 02-04-2019 9:57pm

How come GB Shaw hasn't been commissioned yet?

sparky42 · 02-04-2019 11:17pm

mikeym wrote: »

How come GB Shaw hasn't been commissioned yet?

Last I saw they were still working everything up after fitting the 76mm.

Tabnabs · 03-04-2019 12:54pm

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1113407776238206976

Captcha · 03-04-2019 12:54pm

We need Aircraft Carriers asap

mikeym · 03-04-2019 9:22pm

Captcha wrote: »

We need Aircraft Carriers asap

No we dont.

sparky42 · 03-04-2019 9:38pm

Joyce and Beckett were the two doing the training today along with an AW 139.

roadmaster · 03-04-2019 9:53pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1113407776238206976

Are the rounds in a magazine similar to a rifle so they could go full automatic if they wanted or is it limited

Heraldoffreeent · 03-04-2019 10:06pm

Captcha wrote: »

We need Aircraft Carriers asap

mikeym wrote: »

No we dont.

Ah come on, just getting one is pretty pointless..............

Larbre34 · 08-04-2019 12:40am

roadmaster wrote: »

Are the rounds in a magazine similar to a rifle so they could go full automatic if they wanted or is it limited

Max rate of fire is 120 rds/min under electronic fire control which is obviously 2 per second but realistically you wouldn't see bursts of more than 3 or 4 rounds.

There are some vids on youtube of the 76 turret on a test rig on land firing 40 rounds in 20 secs but you'd be asking a lot of the cooling system as well as magazine feed and storage to be doing that at sea.

jonnybigwallet · 08-04-2019 7:10pm

I see there's an auld ship in Dublin port that was impounded some years ago by the revenue and they want shut of it. That could come in a bit handy for the NS to do some real heavy duty stuff with the 76 mm. Bang Bang Bang and down she goes!

Alkers · 08-04-2019 7:48pm

jonnybigwallet wrote:

I see there's an auld ship in Dublin port that was impounded some years ago by the revenue and they want shut of it. That could come in a bit handy for the NS to do some real heavy duty stuff with the 76 mm. Bang Bang Bang and down she goes!

I recall reading that the costs involved are massive even to make her suitable for sinking without causing an environmental incident.

Widdensushi · 08-04-2019 7:51pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Now that the Brits have gone completely stupid about Brexit...we need to be looking at the position regarding Rockall. Time to order some hefty frigates and a few submarines imo. And lets get the Rangers out on to the rock!

sure if we got it we would only give it away like the rest of the fishing and mineral resources

roadmaster · 01-05-2019 8:09pm

http://coastmonkey.ie/le-george-bernard-shaw-ceremony-waterford/

I wonder where did Leo and that clown keogh get the crew from

sparky42 · 01-05-2019 9:06pm

roadmaster wrote: »

http://coastmonkey.ie/le-george-bernard-shaw-ceremony-waterford/

I wonder where did Leo and that clown keogh get the crew from

Why do you think the other three 60's are tied up, two in the dockyard, one at the base. Look the manpower situation is a disaster, but Shaw was always going to cause manpower issues anyway as she was never planned for.

roadmaster · 07-05-2019 10:44pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Why do you think the other three 60's are tied up, two in the dockyard, one at the base. Look the manpower situation is a disaster, but Shaw was always going to cause manpower issues anyway as she was never planned for.

It’s wonder the government hasn’t asked the navy to hide the ships docked in the naval base so no one can ask questions why they are tied up

sparky42 · 07-05-2019 11:17pm

roadmaster wrote: »

It’s wonder the government hasn’t asked the navy to hide the ships docked in the naval base so no one can ask questions why they are tied up

That would require people to be interested enough in the DF to care, sadly we know that's not the case.

Savage93 · 07-05-2019 11:38pm

sparky42 wrote: »

That would require people to be interested enough in the DF to care, sadly we know that's not the case.

Sadly too true Spark.
I wonder if Brussels will put the boot in as they have largely funded the new vessels and they are supposed to perform roles in EU waters. The present rot in the DF from lack of numbers has to be seriously impacting effectiveness, morale and , of course, ability to undertake any new UN roles .

Weirdly, in the face of the above, 74 officers commissioned last year (15 Maltese I think) and campaign underway to take on 100 cadets in next class. The question is will there be anyone/anything for them to lead in the future??

Heraldoffreeent · 08-05-2019 12:58am

Savage93 wrote: »

Sadly too true Spark.
I wonder if Brussels will put the boot in as they have largely funded the new vessels and they are supposed to perform roles in EU waters. The present rot in the DF from lack of numbers has to be seriously impacting effectiveness, morale and , of course, ability to undertake any new UN roles .

Weirdly, in the face of the above, 74 officers commissioned last year (15 Maltese I think) and campaign underway to take on 100 cadets in next class. The question is will there be anyone/anything for them to lead in the future??

How have the EU largely funded the new ships?

roadmaster · 08-05-2019 8:42am

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

How have the EU largely funded the new ships?

I dont think there was much if any EU funds for the becketts

jonnybigwallet · 08-05-2019 2:51pm

You could always ask your TD to raise a question in the dail. I thought that the EU paid for the hulls and the DF paid for the weaponry.

Heraldoffreeent · 08-05-2019 2:54pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

You could always ask your TD to raise a question in the dail. I thought that the EU paid for the hulls and the DF paid for the weaponry.

Or you could Google it.

You know what thought did?

Have you two accounts on this thread now?

jonnybigwallet · 08-05-2019 3:02pm

No Herald. Only one.

sparky42 · 08-05-2019 3:12pm

Savage93 wrote: »

Sadly too true Spark.
I wonder if Brussels will put the boot in as they have largely funded the new vessels and they are supposed to perform roles in EU waters. The present rot in the DF from lack of numbers has to be seriously impacting effectiveness, morale and , of course, ability to undertake any new UN roles .

Don't think the EU provided any funds towards the P60 class, nor was there any EU roles mandated (beyond normal fisheries anyway)

3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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