Gardai searching all houses for the queen

WilcoOut · 22-04-2011 12:16am

Rawhead wrote: »

Why not have a bit of craic with the feds and do the following,
1. Put on celtic jersey
2. leave a few bags of 10/10/20 just in view
3. put the wolfe tones on full blast
4. act all nervous when you answer the door
Just don't blame us if your house gets wrecked in the follow up search and you get a few digs in the Bridewell.
You'll be a hero to us though....

and while your in the bridewell, starve yerself and smear sh1t on the walls.

a true hero

angelfire9 · 22-04-2011 12:30am

The people of Moneygall are going to have to put up with ALOT more from the US Secret Service and the Irish Special Branch and I'd bet you won't hear them complaining

hobochris · 22-04-2011 12:31am

bubblypop wrote: »

in 2004, ireland held the presidency of the EU for 6 months.
dublin castle was were pretty much all events took place.

every person who worked in dublin castle ( revenue staff, tribrunial staff, events office staff etc etc) were ALL subject to security checks before they were allowed to work inside in the castle.
everyone living within half mile radius, the same thing! including apartments, where a few brothels were uncovered!!!!

if they didnt pass, did not allow the check, they dint get in. simples.

lots of states of head, presidents and prime ministers were in the country for months around our presidency of the EU. never heard any complaints for those 6 months!!

How do you legally ban someone from their own home? What law governing this country covers that?

savagecabbages · 22-04-2011 3:53am

Oh_Noes wrote: »

No-one wants uninvited strangers snooping around their house.

An uninvited stranger is one thing. A civil servant looking to prevent a terrorist incident which throws us all back to the mid 1970s is an entirely different matter...

If theres nothing to hide, whats the problem?
If I was unhappy with how the country is run I'd live somewhere else, rather than stay here and complain about it.

gbee · 22-04-2011 9:42am

Some media reports this am on the radio don't do much to quell fears. "Gardaí are stepping up surveillance on known terrorist groups ..." and a long list is then named.

Anyone could be in one of those organisations and, according to the news on the radio this is why they are searching.

If this is a genuine slant or a runaway journalist, I don't know, but I'd be more reluctant now to cooperate TBH.

punk_one82 · 22-04-2011 10:14am

The attitudes of some of the posters in here are ridiculous. Saying AGS should be allowed into peoples homes to check for anything illegal because the Queen might be passing by is a disgrace. In that case, why don't AGS just check every house in the country and look for anything illegal. Surely that would be a great way to lower the crime rates.....or not, because it's a massive invasion of privacy to search someones home with no reason to suspect anything. Close the door on them. We didn't ask for this visit, and we certainly don't have to entertain its ridiculous security measures.

incident commander · 22-04-2011 10:55am

angelfire9 wrote: »

If the dubs think this is bad wait til the secret service really get going in Moneygall!!!

Its mad out in moneygall. The houses are getting painted, washed, there doing everything. The have had secret service out all ready doing the houses and all. Sure there going welding manholes and everything.

There was a bit of action out there last week and truck carrying Cat.1 expolisves crashed into donavans and made sh1t of the front of the shop, the owner got some shock cause he was out riding out his hourses and came around the corner to see it......

IC.

Dermot Illogical · 22-04-2011 11:04am

I do hate the whole "If you have nothing to hide.." argument. As a member of AGS I have no business invading anyone's home unless I know I have a lawful reason and a warrant (if necessary under the circumstances) to enter. It's all to do with that constitution I'm tasked with protecting and upholding. It wasn't designed to be circumvented for convenience.

CiaranC · 22-04-2011 11:09am

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Laois_Man · 22-04-2011 11:11am

I'm sure there's probably a small few prats around who'd be interesting in setting off a bomb at or near the queen when she's here. But to think there people would just happen to live in a house along one of the roads that the queen will travel on is a bit ridiculous. And even if they did. that they would just happen to be holing the explosives in their house a month before she comes. And even if they were doing that, that they would be stupid enough to leave them there until Gardai came back with a search warrent after being refused initial entry.

The whole premise is just absurd.
No wonder we had a 20 Billion Euro deficit!

Eru · 22-04-2011 11:13am

GetTheFFOut wrote: »

But they would still have no reason to search my home because I have nothing to do with any republican group and never will.

In fairness how would crime be solved without Gardai investigating prior to getting someone to court? Saying "Im not a terrorist" is exactly what terrorists say when approached by Gardai. In fact, its rare a criminal stands on O'Connell Street shouting full disclosure of his criminal behaviour. Generally they deny it as well. In your case it happens to be true (Im assuming)

GetTheFFOut wrote: »

Lets put it like this, can I come over to your house and snoop through your belongings?

You also cant walk into a hospital and perform open heart surgery or fly to the moon in a nasa shuttle. Suggesting Gardai cant or shouldnt do something because you cant makes no sense as you are not charged with protecting the state and combating crime as they are.

discus wrote: »

No one is saying that you have to welcome them in, bend over for them and make them dinner. No one likes having their home turned over by strangers, for reasons they don't agree with, but I can't see why people would get so incensed by it. Besides, I think we can surmise that this is nothing but a rudimentary look around.

The views opposing mine reek of the speeding drivers argument; ya know those drivers who complain about the speed traps are the ones who the speed traps are there to snare.

Im not disagreeing with you and if people think Im saying you shouldnt let the Gardai in then they are wrong. What Im saying is theres a world of difference between a Garda making a legal demand and making a polite request.

On this occasion Im saying that if they came to my door, explained why and asked politely I would let them work away but if they were ignorant and started demanding things, I would not be inclined to agree. Its not so much whats being asked but how as I can fully see the logic in what they are doing.

Andrew33 · 22-04-2011 11:17am

No effing way would they be crossing my threshold to "have a look around", the f**king cheek of them! just cos queenie is paying a visit? ask me hole.
Just an aside, I'd be vary wary of "Gardai" calling to have a look around, check ID's carefully, this is an ideal opportunity for chancers/thieves to get inside peoples homes (particularly the elderly or vulnerable) pretending to be Gardai or simpler still, "detectives".

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 12:03pm

stimpson wrote: »

Windsor is just the name of a castle.

Saxe Coburg Gotha is not the family name of the queen since she got married...
The Saxe Coburg Gogha name is now carried by Prince Andreas (Of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha)
If anything she is Mrs Mountbatten.

stimpson · 22-04-2011 12:10pm

goldie fish wrote: »

Saxe Coburg Gotha is not the family name of the queen since she got married...
If anything she is Mrs Mountbatten.

Mountbatten was Phil's maternal grandfarthers name. His father's surname was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.

Probably a little too german sounding for a british royal.

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 12:12pm

stimpson wrote: »

Mountbatten was Phil's maternal grandfarthers name. His father's surname was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.

Probably a little too german sounding for a british royal.

Its a bit of a mouthful, but we'll go with it from now on so.

jhegarty · 22-04-2011 12:12pm

goldie fish wrote: »

Saxe Coburg Gotha is not the family name of the queen since she got married...
The Saxe Coburg Gogha name is now carried by Prince Andreas (Of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha)
If anything she is Mrs Mountbatten.

Well it would be Battenberg, as Mountbatten was another 1st world war rename.

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 12:57pm

jhegarty wrote: »

Well it would be Battenberg, as Mountbatten was another 1st world war rename.

Just like the poor german shephard dog, who suddenly found he was being referred ot as an "Alsation".

discus · 22-04-2011 1:04pm

Oh_Noes wrote: »

The Gardai need to have a valid reason to be there, not the other way around.

Rudimentary search of a premises which is located along a route that will be (potentially) used by a visiting head of state... Seems legit to me!

To all ye on here banging on about civil liberties... Head off to Russia, Libya, Uganda or Saudi Arabia and let me know how we fare compared to them

CiaranC · 22-04-2011 1:06pm

discus wrote: »

To all ye on here banging on about civil liberties... Head off to Russia, Libya, Uganda or Saudi Arabia and let me know how we fare compared to them

We will be considerably closer to them if the "nothing to hide" brigade get their way

Oh_Noes · 22-04-2011 5:40pm

savagecabbages wrote: »

An uninvited stranger is one thing. A civil servant looking to prevent a terrorist incident which throws us all back to the mid 1970s is an entirely different matter...

If theres nothing to hide, whats the problem?
If I was unhappy with how the country is run I'd live somewhere else, rather than stay here and complain about it.

If there's something to hide or not, they need good reason to suspect me as a terrorist to come into my house. That's the way it works.

I am unhappy with certain aspects of how the country is run, so I will complain about it and do what I can to see it change. Not just leave.

savagecabbages · 22-04-2011 6:41pm

Thats fair enough, we obviously have different opinions on this.

Just bear in mind that while me or you may have no ill intentions towards the queen, there are people in the world who do (not just Irish people) and who may want to cause problems...

Oh_Noes · 22-04-2011 7:37pm

savagecabbages wrote: »

Thats fair enough, we obviously have different opinions on this.

Just bear in mind that while me or you may have no ill intentions towards the queen, there are people in the world who do (not just Irish people) and who may want to cause problems...

Yes. Your opinion seems to state that we should let our police force do whatever they like without being objected to. And if you don't like that, then you should run away from it to another country.

Not my cup of tea at all.

celtictiger32 · 22-04-2011 7:46pm

meathstevie wrote: »

A Garda is a Garda, even in a pair of waiders and a pink tutu and the word uniform generally refers to clothing making a Garda readily identifiable as being a Garda. Such clothing could be riot gear, bike leathers and high viz jacket for Traffic Corps, etc etc

as far as i know the whole hat thing is the garda has to be wearing it when making an arrest

celtictiger32 · 22-04-2011 7:49pm

knick_knack wrote: »

Hi all, I was at home the other day when a knock on the door revealed a uniformed gardai who was looking for a list of the people living in the house. This is because the queen's route "may" be passing this way and so everyone needs to be cleared. Now I don't really have a problem with this, but she then informed me that closer to the time several gardai would be coming down to search the house for explosives. Apparently every house, along possible routes, will be searched and inspected.

Now I have nothing to hide, however I think this is a pretty big invasion of privacy. I'm not planning on having her over for tea and scones after all.
The amount this visit is costing aside (though my own personal view is that a private visit means its nothing to do with the gardai and nothing to do with me and so they should have to pay/cover at least some of the cost).

Oh I was just informed that she'll also most likely be travelling by helicopter too which means its even more unlikely that she'll be taking any of the several roads that they are searching.

So do they gardai need a search warrent or not to enter my premises?

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat? Is it within my rights to refuse entry if they are not wearing full uniform. Not saying I would since I don't want them taking a dislike to us but would be handy to know.

Thanks for your comments guys.

ye wouldnt mind a few milk churns for me for a few weeks would ye??
its just me cow is sick and ive nowhere to put them:D

Shield · 22-04-2011 7:49pm

So how would you explain plain clothes Gardaí then?

The "whole hat thing" is an urban legend I'm afraid.

celtictiger32 wrote: »

as far as i know the whole hat thing is the garda has to be wearing it when making an arrest

celtictiger32 · 22-04-2011 7:51pm

psni wrote: »

So how would you explain plain clothes Gardaí then?

The "whole hat thing" is an urban legend I'm afraid.

id have loads of ways to explain them .........

i did say as far as i was aware. stand corrected if im wrong

Shield · 22-04-2011 7:58pm

No worries. A lot of people are under this impression. It's the State that gives the Gardaí the powers that they have, not the uniform or any part of it.

Overature · 22-04-2011 8:02pm

knick_knack wrote: »

Hi all, I was at home the other day when a knock on the door revealed a uniformed gardai who was looking for a list of the people living in the house. This is because the queen's route "may" be passing this way and so everyone needs to be cleared. Now I don't really have a problem with this, but she then informed me that closer to the time several gardai would be coming down to search the house for explosives. Apparently every house, along possible routes, will be searched and inspected.

Now I have nothing to hide, however I think this is a pretty big invasion of privacy. I'm not planning on having her over for tea and scones after all.
The amount this visit is costing aside (though my own personal view is that a private visit means its nothing to do with the gardai and nothing to do with me and so they should have to pay/cover at least some of the cost).

Oh I was just informed that she'll also most likely be travelling by helicopter too which means its even more unlikely that she'll be taking any of the several roads that they are searching.

So do they gardai need a search warrent or not to enter my premises?

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat? Is it within my rights to refuse entry if they are not wearing full uniform. Not saying I would since I don't want them taking a dislike to us but would be handy to know.

Thanks for your comments guys.

what are they going to do when Obama comes? theyll propberly make us all get under our beds

Overature · 22-04-2011 8:05pm

jimbob86 wrote: »

The queens visit is costing the state 13 million i heard on the radio today,thats some bull****e.....

She is also laying a wreath at the 1916 garden of remberance at the top of o connell st,thats a bit rich imo especially on her first visit to this country.:mad:

why can she pay for it herself, one of the riches people around, and having done absoluaty nothing to earn it

Teyla Emmagan · 22-04-2011 8:07pm

Everytime I see the title of this thread I think "God, how on earth did someone manage to lose the Queen"??!

Oh_Noes · 22-04-2011 8:10pm

Overature wrote: »

what are they going to do when Obama comes? theyll propberly make us all get under our beds

Full cavity search. Got a problem with that?

Why? What have you got to hide?!?! :eek:

celtictiger32 · 22-04-2011 8:14pm

Overature wrote: »

what are they going to do when Obama comes? theyll propberly make us all get under our beds

ah i have a bit of experience in this i remember when clinton visited a few years back, i was doing security in a place at stephens green at the time. i was having a break and i was upstairs looking out the window with a couple of the girls that worked there, i happened to have the handle of a sweeping brush in my hand. and before long we had the c.i.a or whoever they were running up the stairs roaring and shouting at us. i can only presume they thought i was dublins answer to lee harvey oswald:D

goat2 · 22-04-2011 8:15pm

knick_knack wrote: »

Hi all, I was at home the other day when a knock on the door revealed a uniformed gardai who was looking for a list of the people living in the house. This is because the queen's route "may" be passing this way and so everyone needs to be cleared. Now I don't really have a problem with this, but she then informed me that closer to the time several gardai would be coming down to search the house for explosives. Apparently every house, along possible routes, will be searched and inspected.

Now I have nothing to hide, however I think this is a pretty big invasion of privacy. I'm not planning on having her over for tea and scones after all.
The amount this visit is costing aside (though my own personal view is that a private visit means its nothing to do with the gardai and nothing to do with me and so they should have to pay/cover at least some of the cost).

Oh I was just informed that she'll also most likely be travelling by helicopter too which means its even more unlikely that she'll be taking any of the several roads that they are searching.

So do they gardai need a search warrent or not to enter my premises?

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat? Is it within my rights to refuse entry if they are not wearing full uniform. Not saying I would since I don't want them taking a dislike to us but would be handy to know.

Thanks for your comments guys.

i do hope that the queen will have a safe journey, i am not on her travelling route, it would not be good for all of us if someone does try to harm her, i wish her luck and hope she enjoy her time here

nick 56 · 22-04-2011 8:36pm

As somebody who spent a day looking for a lost library book in a 3 bed house I would like to ask how well would they search. Would they lift the carpets? Would they check the floor for lose floorboards. (my kids had had a party)

Dem old time shiners were good at hiding the stuff – gardens, attics bunkers under the patio where does it stop?.

I used to live in Ballybough 20 years ago and if you had raided / searched the flats you would have found all sorts of stuff. Would they be able to act on the say shop lifted gear they might find.

Last point ---- The trouble is if you use / waste cops time how do you feel when your 3 year old goes missing on O’Connell st on a Saturday morning (hiding in Eason’s!) The guards found her God bless them:)

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 9:34pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

as far as i know the whole hat thing is the garda has to be wearing it when making an arrest

He actually can quite legally arrest someone while in the nip, however he may need a belt, to carry the handcuffs and his badge...

Dermot Illogical · 22-04-2011 10:10pm

goldie fish wrote: »

He actually can quite legally arrest someone while in the nip, however he may need a belt, to carry the handcuffs and his badge...

She can too...

testicle · 22-04-2011 10:15pm

knick_knack wrote: »

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat?

He could have been wearing nothing but a mankini, it doesn't matter.

goldie fish · 22-04-2011 10:56pm

RT66 wrote: »

She can too...

My recurring dream....

talla10 · 23-04-2011 12:15am

Wudyaquit wrote: »

What's ridiculous about that? I heard the guards have a massive book of evidence on Wayne Dundon, but keep having to let him go because the guard looking after the case doesn't like wearing hats. True story.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually believe this????????

If the garda isnt wearing a hat it doesnt make a bit of difference.

IRLConor · 23-04-2011 12:23am

No sign of any Gardai here yet. Judging by the fun the census enumerator had, they'll be hard pushed to get a hold of even half the people around here.

Even if I minded the whole operation, it would be pretty futile for me to protest against it. Most of the stuff they'd be asking me about is already in PULSE.

mikemac · 23-04-2011 12:31am

Meh, sure they did the same in Clare when President Bush came over to Dromoland.

OP, you'd be having a heart attack right now if you lived in Moneygall.

knick_knack wrote: »

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat? Is it within my rights to refuse entry if they are not wearing full uniform.

Maybe he met a pregnant lady as he walked down from Fitzgibbon St. I heard if they want to use a helmet as a toilet a garda cannot refuse :rolleyes:

Shield · 23-04-2011 12:59am

feelingstressed wrote: »

I heard if they want to use a helmet as a toilet a garda cannot refuse :rolleyes:

Untrue.

mikemac · 23-04-2011 2:13am

Of course I know it's untrue

You missed the rolleyes at the end of the sentance

Shield · 23-04-2011 2:21am

Mea culpa..

FGR · 24-04-2011 5:57pm

psni wrote: »

Untrue.

Oops..

No wonder Stores wasn't happy when I applied for a new hat.

On Topic: Although I haven't read the entire thread will there be repercussions for those who aren't at home/haven't answered the door? One wonders..

goldie fish · 24-04-2011 10:30pm

I hope they find her soon. I'd hate for her to miss the wedding.

Wudyaquit · 25-04-2011 8:52pm

talla10 wrote: »

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually believe this????????

If the garda isnt wearing a hat it doesnt make a bit of difference.

Oops. Egg on my face.
No flies on you buddy

sdanseo · 25-04-2011 9:01pm

knick_knack wrote: »

Finally the gardai who showed up was not wearing a hat? Is it within my rights to refuse entry if they are not wearing full uniform.

There are no words. Sweet jesus are we still in 1922?

celtictiger32 · 25-04-2011 9:02pm

FACT: if a member of an garda siochana is not wearing his/her hat as per uniform, the specific garda will have a colder head. fact:D

celtictiger32 · 25-04-2011 9:04pm

sdonn wrote: »

There are no words. Sweet jesus are we still in 1922?

nope, i make it 21:03

Gardai searching all houses for the queen

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