Why are most families houses and lives in a mess???

lemonkey · 25-09-2019 9:24am

Have you any kids Tickers? It's easy to expect no mess, harder to actually achieve it. I'm not very materialistic nor is my partner so we don't have clutter. However, you'd be shocked how much stuff a 9 month old has. If we didn't have a play room, our house would be like a bomb with baby stuff.

By the time both me and my partner finish work, collect the baby, feed her, play with her, put her to bed, cook dinner and/or go training it could easily be 8.30-9.00pm before we get to tidy up the mess. So if you called between 5pm-9pm the house isn't going to be tidy. Such is life.

I could only imagine the chaos with 2 or more children. You haven't a hope of a perfectly tidy house with kids under 12, no matter how much you clean.

looksee · 25-09-2019 9:53am

I agree that houses are for living in, not display areas, I would make two points-

Firstly, I do think the days of mountains of plastic crud are numbered.

It is a waste of resources for one thing, and a lot of the plastic is just waste. All the over-packaging and plastic accessories in any of the display toys is not necessary, and the accessories immediately end up in the plastic stew at the bottom of a toy box along with bits of lego, odd jigsaw bits, dismembered pens, dead crayons and unidentifiable stuff that will never be sorted or used again.

A nursery in England somewhere did an experiment where they took away all the plastic toys and replaced them with cardboard boxes, wooden items - essentially bits of wood - and everyday kitchen pans etc. They discovered that the children very quickly became more creative in their play, more sociable, and more inclined to play outside. I didn't hear what the eventual outcome was, but it did seem to suggest that the plastic stuff was not all necessary.

Secondly, its been said a lot recently, but there is huge satisfaction in throwing out stuff that is no longer needed, and tidying up creates calm space. It relieves stress and is relaxing. Absolutely it is difficult to do with two parents working, but an all-family effort to clear just one room could be very rewarding. Not for visitors, for the family.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 25-09-2019 10:07am

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. The knee jerk reaction is to cry foul for being "judged" and refuse to take responsibility for why their homes are in a mess a blame every other circumstance than accept the fact that they are unable to manage their own lives. As one parent said "that isn't a mess, it's a child making memories". Sorry but your child's supposed happiness is not absolute.
What type of environment are you raising your children in where they are surrounded by chaos, if you allow your kids to create a mess and do as they please at home they are going to do the same outside the home. As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

Ifevera wiztherewas · 25-09-2019 10:22am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote:

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. The knee jerk reaction is to cry foul for being "judged" and refuse to take responsibility for why their homes are in a mess a blame every other circumstance than accept the fact that they are unable to manage their own lives. As one parent said "that isn't a mess, it's a child making memories". Sorry but your child's supposed happiness is not absolute. What type of environment are you raising your children in where they are surrounded by chaos, if you allow your kids to create a mess and do as they please at home they are going to do the same outside the home. As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

I'd give you 5 out of 10 for that one. It was a decent effort in fairness. Still too obvious though.

anewme · 25-09-2019 10:26am

Edgware wrote: »

The secret is to doss as much as you can at work so you will have plenty energy for housework

I actually enjoy my work. Wouldnt get away with big time dossing.

I don't enjoy housework.

I keep my energy for the gym.

jam_mac_jam · 25-09-2019 10:26am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. The knee jerk reaction is to cry foul for being "judged" and refuse to take responsibility for why their homes are in a mess a blame every other circumstance than accept the fact that they are unable to manage their own lives. As one parent said "that isn't a mess, it's a child making memories". Sorry but your child's supposed happiness is not absolute.
What type of environment are you raising your children in where they are surrounded by chaos, if you allow your kids to create a mess and do as they please at home they are going to do the same outside the home. As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

Concerning? That there are a few toys around the house? If that's what you have to worry about kids growing up around its not really much of a worry is it.

riffmongous · 25-09-2019 10:28am

Tidiness is overrated. It's a waste of energy in a futile attempt to fight entropy, to produce bland, sterile environments for the sake of satisfying some control freak impulse.

PhilOssophy · 25-09-2019 10:34am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. The knee jerk reaction is to cry foul for being "judged" and refuse to take responsibility for why their homes are in a mess a blame every other circumstance than accept the fact that they are unable to manage their own lives. As one parent said "that isn't a mess, it's a child making memories". Sorry but your child's supposed happiness is not absolute.
What type of environment are you raising your children in where they are surrounded by chaos, if you allow your kids to create a mess and do as they please at home they are going to do the same outside the home. As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

Why don't you tell everybody your situation/setup/life situation?

lemonkey · 25-09-2019 10:39am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. The knee jerk reaction is to cry foul for being "judged" and refuse to take responsibility for why their homes are in a mess a blame every other circumstance than accept the fact that they are unable to manage their own lives. As one parent said "that isn't a mess, it's a child making memories". Sorry but your child's supposed happiness is not absolute.
What type of environment are you raising your children in where they are surrounded by chaos, if you allow your kids to create a mess and do as they please at home they are going to do the same outside the home. As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

Ah, I thought you were actually being serious until this post. Too obvious.

adam88 · 25-09-2019 10:46am

anewme wrote: »

Theres only me in tbe house and I'm looking at getting a cleaner in.

I work hard during the week and at the weekend don't want to spend my time off doing housework. Lifes too short. Two hours every second week should be enough to keep the house in order.

That’s what I do. It takes the cleaner 2 hours to do it once a fortnight whereas it would take me easily double that. It’s well worth it

whisky_galore · 25-09-2019 10:56am

riffmongous wrote: »

Tidiness is overrated. It's a waste of energy in a futile attempt to fight entropy, to produce bland, sterile environments for the sake of satisfying some control freak impulse.

Most eloquent reasoning to live in your own shyte.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 25-09-2019 11:05am

lemonkey wrote: »

Ah, I thought you were actually being serious until this post. Too obvious.

The most obvious thing is it’s true!

riffmongous · 25-09-2019 11:11am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Most eloquent reasoning to live in your own shyte.

I even dumbed it down a little

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-09-2019 11:11am

but in a tidy house you would never have the joy of stepping on Thomas the tank engine barefoot, hungover causing one to fall over a coffee table at 7am on a Sunday morning

dont bother · 25-09-2019 11:12am

theres one of these families that live across the hall from me.
there are two parents, twin children and a dog. they are all crammed into a tiny shoe-box apartment (i know because i can barely live in it with only 2 adults in mine).
the chaos they live in is unreal. it's mental. they spend most of their time letting the kids play in the hall outside their front door, letting them play with the LIFT (the lift ffs!!) and basically take over the block and use the whole thing as their front room.

they own a 2nd apartment upstairs which they let out for a hefty income. neither parent works a job.

can somebody please tell me why, if you were those parents - you would not sell BOTH apartments and get a nice nice sum (its city centre so they'd be minted) and move to a house mortgage free?

some people WANT to live their lives in chaos. that's the point im making.

they dont care who they disrupt.
you'd be sick of the sh!te - young parents thinking theyre so stressed and as if they're the first people on earth to ever have kids. this kind of "get out of our way, we are PARENTS!" type sh!te.

cant abide it. fools

v638sg7k1a92bx · 25-09-2019 11:12am

Lance-kun wrote: »

It's very likely that some people want to give their children what they never had as youths.

What’s that, a messy house and chaotic childhood with parents they see on evenings and weekends for a few hours?

SMC92Ian · 25-09-2019 11:12am

Lance-kun wrote: »

It's very likely that some people want to give their children what they never had as youths.

That's exactly it, if I was a parent I'd def be buying my child what they wanted.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 25-09-2019 11:15am

handlemaster wrote: »

That mess you are referring to is kids making memories.

Seriously, this is a parents actual excuse. Millennials are the worst.

whisky_galore · 25-09-2019 11:16am

SMC92Ian wrote: »

That's exactly it, if I was a parent I'd def be buying my child what they wanted.

How about a pony?

Hannibal_Smith · 25-09-2019 11:18am

Anyone comes into my house and looks around taking stock and being all judgy can turn around and f*ck off right back out.

SMC92Ian · 25-09-2019 11:19am

whisky_galore wrote: »

How about a pony?

I never wanted a pony. I'm talking a few toys and games etc. Maybe I missed the idea of what this thread is about?

Lillyfae · 25-09-2019 11:20am

My nearly 3 year old has 2 small boxes of toys, all her colouring stuff and a play kitchen downstairs, plus books on shelves that she can reach both downstairs and in her room. We have a small open plan house so we can't fit any more or it will be chaos, and that doesn't make anyone happy. We cull regularly. She knows that she has to tidy everything up before she goes to bed in the afternoon and at night.

We don't buy her new toys unless it's Christmas or her birthday. She's welcome to walk around a shop with something in her hand but she knows that it doesn't belong to her and she has to put it back where she got it before we leave. Last year on her birthday invitation, I specified to people that if they had age appropriate books/ toys at home already to feel free to regift- after her first birthday we learned our lesson, so much stuff that was immediately dumped or brought to the charity shop, it's so pointless and wasteful.

We have a cleaner 2 hours per week for dusting, hoovering, mopping, cleaning the bathroom- the rest we just keep on top of and it's completely doable but we're lucky, we both work in flexible jobs (me 4 days and him 4.5 days) so she's in the creche 2.5 days and with nana 1 day. The creche and nana's house are exploding with toys AND she has a dog so has more than enough to keep her occupied without filling the house with rubbish. This would make none of us happy, I like cleanliness and order. My boyfriend would be worse than either me or my daughter in terms of clutter :pac:.

Having said all that, I don't judge people who have messy houses but by that token don't think that it has to be that way- my favourite is that Facebook status that stay at home moms always seem to use about their houses being messy because their children are happy, loved and played with. My daughter is too, we just teach her that cleaning up is the end part of the playing.

CelticRambler · 25-09-2019 11:20am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »

The replies from parents on this thread is very concerning. ... As parents you should know that it's not acceptable or conducive to a functional lifestyle if your home is not in order. Would you work in an office environment that had papers and files strewn all over the floor or you had to clear a space on your desk just so you could work on your laptop?

Technically I'm still a parent, but it's been three months since any of the children were last in the house, and it'll be Christmas before two of them come back again.

In the meantime, I've got a dead plant on the draining board, three saucepans in the sink, a pile of clean washing to be put away if I don't wear it first, half a chainsaw and most of a toolkit on the table, and three folders of paperworky stuff on the work top. The floor is (for some reason) inexplicably clear at the moment, at least in this room. Funnily enough, what you might call mess was created by a functional lifestyle and long may it continue.

25-09-2019 11:22am

I don't know. I think it is possible to have children and not lots of mess. It depends on the family. My good friend has three kids and toys are in the playroom and their bedrooms. If they take something out then they put it back. When I was a child it was the same thing. There wasn't loads of toys lying about the place.

NSAman · 25-09-2019 11:24am

OK cleaning takes time and effort.

I am one of those people who cleans his house to a level most people would think crazy. I have two dogs which add to the problem and many many visitors. Would I be without any of the dogs and visitors? no way... they make life interesting.

It is currently 5am, I am here taking a break from Ironing. When I arrive home after being away for 2 weeks work, the place was a mess. I hovered and washed floors after travelling for 12 hours.

Some people like a spotless home, some don’t. I go to friends homes and the place looks like a bomb exploded in the middle of it. Frankly, it would drive me mad as it does one half of some of the friends (i.e. normally the husband). There is the excuse that “a house is for living in”, of course a house is for living in. That doesn’t mean that me as a visitor wants to see knickers on the floor.

It really comes down to what your parents taught you to do. My Mother and father worked hard. We were taught to clean up after ourselves and have respect for the house as it cost a lot of hard earned money to get. Since a young age we always were taught how to wash, iron, mop and clean properly, our mother made it fun and we were always taught that if you clean up after yourself, it makes life easier... and it is true.

25-09-2019 11:25am

I'm 36, left home permanently at 19. My mother still finds bits of my lego in random places around the house. She sticks it together and will give me a pirate stuck to a yellow 2x6 with a sign on it that says police.

So kids being messy is not a new phenomenon.

Claw Hammer · 25-09-2019 11:35am

I blame the parents!

victor8600 · 25-09-2019 11:39am

I am shocked, don't all family houses look like this? :pac:

25-09-2019 11:42am

NSAman wrote: »

It really comes down to what your parents taught you to do. My Mother and father worked hard. We were taught to clean up after ourselves and have respect for the house as it cost a lot of hard earned money to get. Since a young age we always were taught how to wash, iron, mop and clean properly, our mother made it fun and we were always taught that if you clean up after yourself, it makes life easier... and it is true.

Your condescending feck-wittery is suggesting that my mother taught me to be the untidy individual that I am. Thank you for insulting my mother.

I now want to introduce you to my ignore list.

Gregor Samsa · 25-09-2019 11:45am

victor8600 wrote: »

I am shocked, don't all family houses look like this? :pac:

The only realistic thing about that photo is that it is physically impossible to get 3 kids to look at a camera at the same time.

We have that Eames rocking chair too (in blue). Never sat in it, because it's constantly piled high with shíte.

A white rug and sofa? The must own shares in Vanish.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 11:46am

Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »

I’ve had the pleasure of being invited to several homes of young families recently and by young I mean new parents in their late 30’s and 40’s...

I’m aghast at how much crap people accumulate in their homes! Ikea boxes full of kids toys shoved in corners. My experience is limited to Dublin where all the “young” families with their delusions of grandeur want to live in the south east part of Dublin in houses they can barely afford all the while their lives are in chaos with plastic toys strewn everywhere, both working, 2 cars, hand-balling kids, 9 - 5, dinner Seriously, one of the parents needs to stay home and organise their lives.

Because it is their home and not a 'Show House' to impress the visitors. Do you have kids?

We have a 3 and 7 yr old and yes we have been aghast at some of the other houses and the amount of crap everywhere. I mean entire rooms dedicated to toys etc.

My SIL is extreme (they have the house already decorate in Halloween crap) and we refuse to visit the house. Even her parents hate going there with the amount of crap- the kids are horrible also if not weird (7 and 9).

We keep our downstairs toy free as much as possible save for 1 item at a time. Quite frankly, I have no interest living in a creche.

Vote4Napoleon · 25-09-2019 11:52am

Food in the fridge, electricity, phone, few pints at the weekend occasionally, box of cigarettes that's about it for me, the simple life

victor8600 · 25-09-2019 11:56am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The only realistic thing about that photo is that it is physically impossible to get 3 kids to look at a camera at the same time.

Exactly, this photo is hilarious. White rugs and white clothes won't last half an hour, probably less with the orange juice spilled from the jug all over the room. A vase and a porcelain/gypsum head, framed pictures within the easy reach of babies? Just lol.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-09-2019 11:57am

victor8600 wrote: »

I am shocked, don't all family houses look like this? :pac:

white walls,couch and rugs

perfect for young kids

Earthsnotflat · 25-09-2019 12:04pm

NSAman wrote: »

OK cleaning takes time and effort.

I am one of those people who cleans his house to a level most people would think crazy. I have two dogs which add to the problem and many many visitors. Would I be without any of the dogs and visitors? no way... they make life interesting.

It is currently 5am, I am here taking a break from Ironing. When I arrive home after being away for 2 weeks work, the place was a mess. I hovered and washed floors after travelling for 12 hours.

Some people like a spotless home, some don’t. I go to friends homes and the place looks like a bomb exploded in the middle of it. Frankly, it would drive me mad as it does one half of some of the friends (i.e. normally the husband). There is the excuse that “a house is for living in”, of course a house is for living in. That doesn’t mean that me as a visitor wants to see knickers on the floor.

It really comes down to what your parents taught you to do. My Mother and father worked hard. We were taught to clean up after ourselves and have respect for the house as it cost a lot of hard earned money to get. Since a young age we always were taught how to wash, iron, mop and clean properly, our mother made it fun and we were always taught that if you clean up after yourself, it makes life easier... and it is true.

Oh life would be so pretty if it was that simple. Just teach people to do right things and voilà, everything is done right. I think whenever you can actually achieve something good it's something to be immensely grateful for, that you have had strength, opportunities, health, some help, whatever, to have this good outcome.. my house is sometimes clean, more often than not mess, it's my choice and my priorities, to relax instead of doing the work I know I will have to do tomorrow again, it can wait. If you can pack everything in 24 hrs good on you, but is it or going to be like that every day of your life? We're not robots, sometimes I like to stand back and look at this mess called life philosophically and clean more important stuff first , it often means house just doesn't make it to the top of the list for the day

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 12:04pm

Our biggest problem is the wife's parents. They are constantly buying toys- not us.

The mother in law is Bree Van der Camp on steroids. The house is spotless and an ocean of boring beige. Late 60's and eff all else to do. For example, if you have a shower in their house you have to wipe down the bathroom completely and leave the bath bone dry. I kid you not- bone dry and there are towels and blades to assist.

The thing is they buy any old crap when they are out and about. Not good quality long lasting toys- just rubbish they pick up on a weekly basis.

We turned the tables on them and insisted that anything they buy must stay at their house. You could see my MILs eye twitching but it worked. Rather than filling our house with rubbish it stays at theirs- funnily enough they have now stopped buying all the crap.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 12:04pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

white walls,couch and rugs

perfect for young kids

Perfect for hiding all the tomato sauce stains.

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 12:07pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Our biggest problem is the the wife's parents. They are constantly buying toys- not us.

The funny thing is the mother in law is Bree Van der Camp on steroids. The houseis spotless and an ocean of boring beige. Late 60's and eff all else to do. For example, if you have a shower in their house you have to wipe down the bathroom completely and leave the bath bone dry. I kid you not- bone dry and there are towels and blades to assist.

The thing is they buy any old crap when they are out and about. Not good quality long lasting toys- just rubbish they pick up on a weekly basis.

We turned the tables on them and insisted that anything they buy must stay at their house. You could see my MILs eye twitching but it worked. Rather than filling our house with rubbish it stays at theirs- funnily enough they have now stopped buying all the crap.

Neat; very neat

Cyrus · 25-09-2019 12:08pm

i get that the OP is trolling but we have 2 young kids and our house is pristine 99% of the time. Kids dont have to draw on walls, they dont have to have their bikes inside. All depends on what you want to do. You dont care, thats your own business. My wife and i spent a fortune on the house and like to have it the way WE want it, so the kids respect that, as i remember doing in my parents house when i was a kid.

but everyone is different.

most people want a tidy house, but very few people want to put the effort in to keep it that way, its a constant job.

Graces7 · 25-09-2019 12:10pm

Not meaning squeaky clean and totally tidy. One friend I used to know had three girls, 6- 12, and they had completely invaded the whole downstairs. No room to walk in the hall; every seat in the sitting room piled with toys as was the floor. Just extremes. I got used to clearing part of a chair to perch on. There was no way they could find anything. That had stopped mattering

I am very untidy but curb it with boxes and containers. As my mother taught me. And always we had to remove stuff from the living room and kitchen .

Lillyfae · 25-09-2019 12:10pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Our biggest problem is the the wife's parents. They are constantly buying toys- not us.

My boyfriends mom just accepts any old rubbish from anyone and tries to pawn it off on us, bless her. She still has 3 old baby baths in her house. We got our one from her but it's long gone now. If we have another one we know where to go

. Luckily we moved house last year so that was my excuse before, we'll just have to pack it and that's a pain. She's learning now but to be honest, I don't want to insult her or hurt her feelings because she's an absolute angel, I love her so so much and would be lost without her.

But ya, my personal favourite is all the DVDs and CDs she kindly dumps on us, even though we don't have CD or DVD players :rolleyes:

NSAman · 25-09-2019 12:24pm

Earthsnotflat wrote: »

Oh life would be so pretty if it was that simple. Just teach people to do right things and voilà, everything is done right. I think whenever you can actually achieve something good it's something to be immensely grateful for, that you have had strength, opportunities, health, some help, whatever, to have this good outcome.. my house is sometimes clean, more often than not mess, it's my choice and my priorities, to relax instead of doing the work I know I will have to do tomorrow again, it can wait. If you can pack everything in 24 hrs good on you, but is it or going to be like that every day of your life? We're not robots, sometimes I like to stand back and look at this mess called life philosophically and clean more important stuff first , it often means house just doesn't make it to the top of the list for the day

Some of us like a clean home... is that bad? You may not but that is your choice.

I cannot relax until the house is the way I want it. Yes I can and DO clean the house every day, despite leading a very busy work and social life.

It is a personal choice to live cleanly or not.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 12:27pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Not meaning squeaky clean and totally tidy. One friend I used to know had three girls, 6- 12, and they had completely invaded the whole downstairs. No room to walk in the hall; every seat in the sitting room piled with toys as was the floor. Just extremes. I got used to clearing part of a chair to perch on. There was no way they could find anything. That had stopped mattering

I am very untidy but curb it with boxes and containers. As my mother taught me. And always we had to remove stuff from the living room and kitchen .

This is what I cannot abide. Being messy is one thing but letting the kids completely invade the downstairs is where I draw the line.

I refuse to live in a creche. We spent a **** load of time and money on an extension and the 2 kids have brand new enlarged bedrooms- you are fecking well going to use it and keep all your crap in there.

Like my 7 yr old who wants to exit the car via the front doors. I paid BMW a crap load for those back doors- USE THEM you little bollocks.

Greyfox · 25-09-2019 12:36pm

NSAman wrote: »

Some of us like a clean home... is that bad? You may not but that is your choice.

I cannot relax until the house is the way I want it. Yes I can and DO clean the house every day, despite leading a very busy work and social life.

It is a personal choice to live cleanly or not.

Each to there own. I personally wouldnt be able to live in a world where I had to clean every day. Some people are comfortable in a house that's a little untidy. I wash dishes every day but everything else is once a week

CelticRambler · 25-09-2019 12:43pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Like my 7 yr old who wants to exit the car via the front doors. I paid BMW a crap load for those back doors- USE THEM you little bollocks.

Training him/her to be a good conformist, eh?

My children (when they were children), my nephews/nieces (still children) and various other house-guests (not children) regularly leave their bedroom through the window instead of the front door. We're talking about a proper window here - they have climb onto a sofa, open shutters outwards and window panes inwards, then straddle a 60cm-wide windowsill, to get to the outside, but apparently it's worth the effort ...

Suits me fine, not to have them traipsing all through the house! :pac:

Gregor Samsa · 25-09-2019 12:48pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I paid BMW a crap load for those back doors- USE THEM you little bollocks.

You paid them a crap load for indicators too... :pac: :pac: :pac:

SirChenjin · 25-09-2019 12:48pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Our biggest problem is the wife's parents. They are constantly buying toys- not us.

The mother in law is Bree Van der Camp on steroids. The house is spotless and an ocean of boring beige. Late 60's and eff all else to do. For example, if you have a shower in their house you have to wipe down the bathroom completely and leave the bath bone dry. I kid you not- bone dry and there are towels and blades to assist.

The thing is they buy any old crap when they are out and about. Not good quality long lasting toys- just rubbish they pick up on a weekly basis.

We turned the tables on them and insisted that anything they buy must stay at their house. You could see my MILs eye twitching but it worked. Rather than filling our house with rubbish it stays at theirs- funnily enough they have now stopped buying all the crap.

Exactly what I was about to suggest when I started reading your post.
Sorted!

Zubeneschamali · 25-09-2019 12:49pm

My house is comfortable.

Your house is a mess.

His house is a cold, sterile desert.

Earthsnotflat · 25-09-2019 12:50pm

NSAman wrote: »

Some of us like a clean home... is that bad? You may not but that is your choice.

I cannot relax until the house is the way I want it. Yes I can and DO clean the house every day, despite leading a very busy work and social life.

It is a personal choice to live cleanly or not.

What I mean is that it is not that simple for everybody or all the time to achieve this connection between want and do. What I am opposed to is the very simplistic way of dividing people between those who want clean house and have it and those messy kind that live in chaos because they choose to. If you feel better in comparison just have in mind the outcome you see is neither all to your credit if it's good or someone else's fault if it looks bad to you. You never know what tomorrow will be like, maybe you too will be in place of someone living in mess not of you choosing and unable to keep up on top all the time. Who chooses to live in chaos on purpose? I think that's the whole point, if some manage their mess better then others thats very well, but don't feel superior by thinking that other just must like this mess , they probably not

SirChenjin · 25-09-2019 12:51pm

NSAman wrote: »

OK cleaning takes time and effort.

I am one of those people who cleans his house to a level most people would think crazy. I have two dogs which add to the problem and many many visitors. Would I be without any of the dogs and visitors? no way... they make life interesting.

It is currently 5am, I am here taking a break from Ironing.When I arrive home after being away for 2 weeks work, the place was a mess. I hovered and washed floors after travelling for 12 hours.

Just mildly curious, how come the house was a mess if you were away?

Why are most families houses and lives in a mess???

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