Dead bodies left on trolleys in corridors.

Rows Grower · 24-04-2019 10:47am #1

In University Hospital Waterford.

Someone actually made a decision to allow this and it makes me very angry.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dead-bodies-left-on-trolleys-in-corridors-at-waterford-hospital-919701.html

Your Face · 24-04-2019 10:49am

I read that earlier. It was truly shocking.
Our health services - I despair.

kona · 24-04-2019 10:53am

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

Oops! · 24-04-2019 10:54am

That's 3rd world stuff...... Disgraceful.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 24-04-2019 11:01am

Already Ireland spends in the top 10 per capita on healthcare in the world. More money won't fix mismanagement.

maccored · 24-04-2019 11:01am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Already Ireland spends in the top 10 per capita on healthcare in the world. More money won't fix mismanagement.

then employ better management

Samuel Vimes · 24-04-2019 11:02am

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

Not as smug as the hurler in the ditch , when are going to put yourself forward for election?

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:03am

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

It actually looks like a local SNAFU with the HSE at fault.

Boxcar_Willie · 24-04-2019 11:03am

Sickening

Pissartist · 24-04-2019 11:05am

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

The problem is there's too much management, and most are unable to do their jobs, or are job share who couldn't really care.

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:06am

Pissartist wrote: »

The problem is there's too much management, and most are unable to do their jobs, or are job share who couldn't really care.

HSE has too many and hospitals have far too many bad ones.

Fr_Dougal · 24-04-2019 11:06am

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:08am

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

Not as smug as the hurler in the ditch , when are going to put yourself forward for election?

Too busy working to pay for this mess unfortunatley. Might do it when i retire for a pension.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:09am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

They are responsible.

Tabnabs · 24-04-2019 11:14am

The HSE lurches from one crisis to another and we tolerate it and blame it on some person who is a temporary figurehead based solely on the popularity contest of a general election.

How many malpractices do we have to put up with? How much tax payer money is shovelled into the bottomless pit of the Irish public health system? How many new record long waiting lists will we endure? How many more health scandals will come to light?

Our bureaucracy, from the top levels to the very bottom of the system, has failed us entirely in producing a safe, efficient, professional and caring health service. And nothing will change, no lasting improvements will result in a health system we can be proud of, or even fully place our trust in.

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:14am

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

Getting your slogans ready for when you run for office?:D

Yurt2 · 24-04-2019 11:15am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but maybe Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.

This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

kona · 24-04-2019 11:15am

is_that_so wrote: »

Getting your slogans ready for when you run for office?:D

Nah my slogans would be more colourful to be fair.

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:16am

Yurt! wrote: »

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but perhaps Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.

This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

That's what HIQA do and they are far scarier!

kona · 24-04-2019 11:17am

Yurt! wrote: »

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but perhaps Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.

This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

Ha could you imagine varadkar doing that, youd nearly laugh at him.

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 11:18am

Our health system and mental health services are an abomination and not fit for purpose.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

whisky_galore · 24-04-2019 11:19am

Oops! wrote: »

That's 3rd world stuff...... Disgraceful.

You probably wouldn't see it in Cuba. But here, a supposedly modern rich country... it comes as hardly a surprise.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2019 11:20am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

Which party is running on the "sack loads of civil servants " ticket?

suicide_circus · 24-04-2019 11:20am

irish public: hey government, fix the health service

irish gov: ok but we'll have to take on the unions and cut a load of managers and admins

irish public: the nurses are on strike - hey government, give them what they want!

repeat.

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 11:20am

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

Or sack the wasters and implement new technologies. Also we need to go towards a preventative health system. Annual health screening for the whole population should be mandatory.

Amirani · 24-04-2019 11:21am

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

I do wonder what it's like to operate with such a small-minded and simplistic view of the world.

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:21am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Our health system and mental health services are an abomination and not fit for purpose.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

I don't think you can blame the civil war for all the vested interests in the health service.

theguzman · 24-04-2019 11:21am

More payrises for useless managers in the HSE no doubt is the only consequence they will face.

Privatise it, break the unions, this is all caused by the Unions and the Public sector who have this country absolutely crippled.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:22am

suicide_circus wrote: »

irish public: hey government, fix the health service

irish gov: ok but we'll have to take on the unions and cut a load of managers and admins

irish public: the nurses are on strike - hey government, give them what they want!

repeat.

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Force Carrier · 24-04-2019 11:23am

Too many women in offices gossiping

Hoboo · 24-04-2019 11:23am

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

Get rid of what's there first, nepotism is rife from the very top down.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:24am

Amirani wrote: »

I do wonder what it's like to operate with such a small-minded and simplistic view of the world.

An whats it like to operate with such a broad minded view kid?

amcalester · 24-04-2019 11:24am

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Could even use their offices instead of the corridors for trolleys.

Win - win

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 11:25am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Which party is running on the "sack loads of civil servants " ticket?

None... yet

Amirani · 24-04-2019 11:25am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Or sack the wasters and implement new technologies. Also we need to go towards a preventative health system. Annual health screening for the whole population should be mandatory.

Congrats, you've successfully broken the health service, whilst doing essentially nothing to improve patient outcomes. The majority of the population don't need annual health screenings, and it actually can be dangerous due to Type 1 errors.

But of course, you have no medical background so you'd be completely unaware of this. But proceed with thinking you have all the answers anyway if it makes yourself feel good.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2019 11:26am

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

You have all the answers so. Plus you said your job is the only thing in the way. Lucky enough you get paid to be a td so you're sorted......

kona · 24-04-2019 11:26am

amcalester wrote: »

Could even use their offices instead of the corridors for trolleys.

Win - win

Youd have to be careful, wouldnt want patients contracting , uselesscuntitis

theguzman · 24-04-2019 11:26am

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Most likley it would run better as the frontline staff would make decisions based on their own experiences and knowledge. Thousands of clerical and managerial staff must be fired out of the HSE and Public Sector. I honestly have more time for a criminal heroin dole drawing junkie scumbag than a public sector administrator, the public sector is a dumping ground for the failed careers of useless people. The entire HSE and Public Sector exists as a glorified Social Employment scheme for the failed sons and daughters of political crony hacks, these people would not last one week in the private sector. Fire them all and pay them the dole, better than giving them €800+ per week for doing absolutely sweet damn all.

whiskeyman · 24-04-2019 11:26am

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

Accountable yes, responsible no.

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 11:27am

Amirani wrote: »

Congrats, you've successfully broken the health service, whilst doing essentially nothing to improve patient outcomes. The majority of the population don't need annual health screenings, and it actually can be dangerous due to Type 1 errors.

But of course, you have no medical background so you'd be completely unaware of this. But proceed with thinking you have all the answers anyway if it makes yourself feel good.

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

It's actually unbelievable that the system in its current format is defended.

24-04-2019 11:28am

It's not just the managers............plenty of "staff" in the health service doing sfa habitually.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:28am

whiskeyman wrote: »

Accountable yes, responsible no.

Will they be held accountable?

kona · 24-04-2019 11:30am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

Id leave it, they obviously have all the answers themselves being so broad minded and seem to be defending leaving rotting corpses in trollies around people.

Zorya · 24-04-2019 11:30am

Oh goodness, that was very disturbing to read. I did not expect this...

A letter by four consultant pathologists has described bodily fluids leaking on to the floor and bodies decomposing in corridors.

Don't even know what to say.

Force Carrier · 24-04-2019 11:30am

kona wrote: »

Will they be held accountable?

Accountable no, answerable yes.

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 11:33am

kona wrote: »

Id leave it, they obviously have all the answers themselves being so broad minded and seem to be defending leaving rotting corpses in trollies around people.

I agree but It's frightening how quick posters are to attack and defend it. But again, it is a very politically toxic issue.

The less said and the quicker discussion is stifled the better. You can't have stories breaking about people lying dead on trollies in corridors when the economy is flying and local elections around the corner.

kona · 24-04-2019 11:35am

Force Carrier wrote: »

Accountable no, answerable yes.

Well they either are accountable or not. Answerable? What sort of a answer can you give to that?

"Eh we spent all the money on a hospital which isnt really suitable, so we all have to tighten our belts and deal with it. Ive been assured by management that they are only corpses they dont bite. Ill send down a case of dettol"

kona · 24-04-2019 11:38am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I agree but It's frightening how quick posters are to attack and defend it. But again, it is a very politically toxic issue.

The less said and the quicker discussion is stifled the better. You can't have stories breaking about people lying dead on trollies in corridors when the economy is flying and local elections around the corner.

Politically toxic until their own mothers juices are leaking onto the floor. Be sorted fairly quick then id say.

Amazing the stuff these clowns will defend.

Plumbthedepths · 24-04-2019 11:39am

FG supporters working hard I see. ;-)

Amirani · 24-04-2019 11:39am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

It's actually unbelievable that the system in its current format is defended.

I didn't defend anything. I said your proposal of annual screening of the entire population is one of the most stupid suggestions I've heard.

Our health system is awful in many ways. Incredibly, your best suggestion would actually make it much worse. Here, have a read of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscreening

kona · 24-04-2019 11:42am

Amirani wrote: »

I didn't defend anything. I said your proposal of annual screening of the entire population is one of the most stupid suggestions I've heard.

Our health system is awful in many ways. Incredibly, your best suggestion would actually make it much worse.

You must be some form of hse management. Shoot down suggestions, patronise people yet actually provide **** all to the subject at hand.

Dead bodies left on trolleys in corridors.

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