Dead bodies left on trolleys in corridors.

Rows Grower

In University Hospital Waterford.

Someone actually made a decision to allow this and it makes me very angry.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dead-bodies-left-on-trolleys-in-corridors-at-waterford-hospital-919701.html

Your Face

I read that earlier. It was truly shocking.
Our health services - I despair.

kona

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

Oops!

That's 3rd world stuff...... Disgraceful.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Already Ireland spends in the top 10 per capita on healthcare in the world. More money won't fix mismanagement.

maccored

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Already Ireland spends in the top 10 per capita on healthcare in the world. More money won't fix mismanagement.

then employ better management

Samuel Vimes

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

Not as smug as the hurler in the ditch , when are going to put yourself forward for election?

is_that_so

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

It actually looks like a local SNAFU with the HSE at fault.

Boxcar_Willie

Sickening

Pissartist

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

The problem is there's too much management, and most are unable to do their jobs, or are job share who couldn't really care.

is_that_so

Pissartist wrote: »

The problem is there's too much management, and most are unable to do their jobs, or are job share who couldn't really care.

HSE has too many and hospitals have far too many bad ones.

Fr_Dougal

kona wrote: »

Wonder what that smug prick varadkar has to say about this? Along with the other weasel harris? While continuing to burn a few billion on another dodgey hospital elsewhere.

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

kona

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

Not as smug as the hurler in the ditch , when are going to put yourself forward for election?

Too busy working to pay for this mess unfortunatley. Might do it when i retire for a pension.

kona

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

They are responsible.

Tabnabs

The HSE lurches from one crisis to another and we tolerate it and blame it on some person who is a temporary figurehead based solely on the popularity contest of a general election.

How many malpractices do we have to put up with? How much tax payer money is shovelled into the bottomless pit of the Irish public health system? How many new record long waiting lists will we endure? How many more health scandals will come to light?

Our bureaucracy, from the top levels to the very bottom of the system, has failed us entirely in producing a safe, efficient, professional and caring health service. And nothing will change, no lasting improvements will result in a health system we can be proud of, or even fully place our trust in.

is_that_so

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

Getting your slogans ready for when you run for office?:D

Yurt2

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You can be pretty sure that neither knew what was going on, they don’t inspect these hospitals personally.

It’s 100% down to hospital management and the HSE.

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but maybe Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.


This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

kona

is_that_so wrote: »

Getting your slogans ready for when you run for office?:D

Nah my slogans would be more colourful to be fair.

is_that_so

Yurt! wrote: »

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but perhaps Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.


This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

That's what HIQA do and they are far scarier!

kona

Yurt! wrote: »

Perhaps this is a bit Kim Jong Un of me to suggest, but perhaps Health Ministers should be visiting HSE facilities unannounced periodically and catching management on the hop.


This isn't an endorsement of Putin, but his regular filleting of hapless bureaucrats around provincial Russia make for entertaining viewing:

Ha could you imagine varadkar doing that, youd nearly laugh at him.

ChikiChiki

Our health system and mental health services are an abomination and not fit for purpose.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

whisky_galore

Oops! wrote: »

That's 3rd world stuff...... Disgraceful.

You probably wouldn't see it in Cuba. But here, a supposedly modern rich country... it comes as hardly a surprise.

Guy:Incognito

ChikiChiki wrote: »

.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

Which party is running on the "sack loads of civil servants " ticket?

suicide_circus

irish public: hey government, fix the health service

irish gov: ok but we'll have to take on the unions and cut a load of managers and admins

irish public: the nurses are on strike - hey government, give them what they want!

repeat.

ChikiChiki

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

Or sack the wasters and implement new technologies. Also we need to go towards a preventative health system. Annual health screening for the whole population should be mandatory.

Amirani

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

I do wonder what it's like to operate with such a small-minded and simplistic view of the world.

is_that_so

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Our health system and mental health services are an abomination and not fit for purpose.

Time for change and to get rid of civil war parties.

I don't think you can blame the civil war for all the vested interests in the health service.

theguzman

More payrises for useless managers in the HSE no doubt is the only consequence they will face.

Privatise it, break the unions, this is all caused by the Unions and the Public sector who have this country absolutely crippled.

kona

suicide_circus wrote: »

irish public: hey government, fix the health service

irish gov: ok but we'll have to take on the unions and cut a load of managers and admins

irish public: the nurses are on strike - hey government, give them what they want!

repeat.

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Force Carrier

Too many women in offices gossiping

Hoboo

maccored wrote: »

then employ better management

Get rid of what's there first, nepotism is rife from the very top down.

kona

Amirani wrote: »

I do wonder what it's like to operate with such a small-minded and simplistic view of the world.

An whats it like to operate with such a broad minded view kid?

amcalester

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Could even use their offices instead of the corridors for trolleys.

Win - win

ChikiChiki

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Which party is running on the "sack loads of civil servants " ticket?

None... yet

Amirani

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Or sack the wasters and implement new technologies. Also we need to go towards a preventative health system. Annual health screening for the whole population should be mandatory.

Congrats, you've successfully broken the health service, whilst doing essentially nothing to improve patient outcomes. The majority of the population don't need annual health screenings, and it actually can be dangerous due to Type 1 errors.

But of course, you have no medical background so you'd be completely unaware of this. But proceed with thinking you have all the answers anyway if it makes yourself feel good.

Guy:Incognito

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

You have all the answers so. Plus you said your job is the only thing in the way. Lucky enough you get paid to be a td so you're sorted......

kona

amcalester wrote: »

Could even use their offices instead of the corridors for trolleys.

Win - win

Youd have to be careful, wouldnt want patients contracting , uselesscuntitis

theguzman

kona wrote: »

Id say if it was management on strike nobody would give a ****. Place would probably run just the same.

Most likley it would run better as the frontline staff would make decisions based on their own experiences and knowledge. Thousands of clerical and managerial staff must be fired out of the HSE and Public Sector. I honestly have more time for a criminal heroin dole drawing junkie scumbag than a public sector administrator, the public sector is a dumping ground for the failed careers of useless people. The entire HSE and Public Sector exists as a glorified Social Employment scheme for the failed sons and daughters of political crony hacks, these people would not last one week in the private sector. Fire them all and pay them the dole, better than giving them €800+ per week for doing absolutely sweet damn all.

whiskeyman

kona wrote: »

They are responsible.

Accountable yes, responsible no.

ChikiChiki

Amirani wrote: »

Congrats, you've successfully broken the health service, whilst doing essentially nothing to improve patient outcomes. The majority of the population don't need annual health screenings, and it actually can be dangerous due to Type 1 errors.

But of course, you have no medical background so you'd be completely unaware of this. But proceed with thinking you have all the answers anyway if it makes yourself feel good.

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

It's actually unbelievable that the system in its current format is defended.

It's not just the managers............plenty of "staff" in the health service doing sfa habitually.

kona

whiskeyman wrote: »

Accountable yes, responsible no.

Will they be held accountable?

kona

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

Id leave it, they obviously have all the answers themselves being so broad minded and seem to be defending leaving rotting corpses in trollies around people.

Zorya

Oh goodness, that was very disturbing to read. I did not expect this...

A letter by four consultant pathologists has described bodily fluids leaking on to the floor and bodies decomposing in corridors.

Don't even know what to say.

Force Carrier

kona wrote: »

Will they be held accountable?

Accountable no, answerable yes.

ChikiChiki

kona wrote: »

Id leave it, they obviously have all the answers themselves being so broad minded and seem to be defending leaving rotting corpses in trollies around people.

I agree but It's frightening how quick posters are to attack and defend it. But again, it is a very politically toxic issue.

The less said and the quicker discussion is stifled the better. You can't have stories breaking about people lying dead on trollies in corridors when the economy is flying and local elections around the corner.

kona

Force Carrier wrote: »

Accountable no, answerable yes.

Well they either are accountable or not. Answerable? What sort of a answer can you give to that?

"Eh we spent all the money on a hospital which isnt really suitable, so we all have to tighten our belts and deal with it. Ive been assured by management that they are only corpses they dont bite. Ill send down a case of dettol"

kona

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I agree but It's frightening how quick posters are to attack and defend it. But again, it is a very politically toxic issue.

The less said and the quicker discussion is stifled the better. You can't have stories breaking about people lying dead on trollies in corridors when the economy is flying and local elections around the corner.

Politically toxic until their own mothers juices are leaking onto the floor. Be sorted fairly quick then id say.

Amazing the stuff these clowns will defend.

Plumbthedepths

FG supporters working hard I see. ;-)

Amirani

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Who said I have all the answers?? Did I say that? Because I definitely don't. It's a very complex problem. What I do know is that the health service as is is a ****ing disgrace.

It's actually unbelievable that the system in its current format is defended.

I didn't defend anything. I said your proposal of annual screening of the entire population is one of the most stupid suggestions I've heard.

Our health system is awful in many ways. Incredibly, your best suggestion would actually make it much worse. Here, have a read of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscreening

kona

Amirani wrote: »

I didn't defend anything. I said your proposal of annual screening of the entire population is one of the most stupid suggestions I've heard.

Our health system is awful in many ways. Incredibly, your best suggestion would actually make it much worse.

You must be some form of hse management. Shoot down suggestions, patronise people yet actually provide **** all to the subject at hand.