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If I was your old employer I would be annoyed that you just sent an email rather than phoning them to explain. I dont blame them for ignoring you. Did you give them your PPS number to register you as an employee when you started? They cant put you on their payroll without registering you with revenue.

Deleted User wrote: »

Dont forget to get your AL entitlement.

Yep defintely- OP may be entitled to a few minutes paid hols!

cerateau wrote: »

I have some email communication but not much to go on there.

I would have signed a contract and registered with revenue etc. but I had only been there for one week and I was told I was getting paid every 2 weeks.

Should I just cut my losses her or can I threaten with the WRC even though I wasn't a registered employee ?

How about before you threaten them with the WRC you leave your student days behind, become an adult and phone them to talk to to them rather than rely on email?

SteM wrote: »

How about before you threaten them with the WRC you leave your student days behind, become an adult and phone them to talk to to them rather than rely on email?

At least with email there's proof of what was siad rather than he said/she said. But I'm no expert on legal issues, just know I'd always like to have some sort of back-up

Calahonda52 wrote: »

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You should have thought about this before you WALKED OUT with even an acknowledgement that they gave you 5 days work.
To be honest you need to take a very close look at how you view the world before you leave the college nest and head out into the real world.

You need to work on your people skills, starting with call them up, apologise for leaving them in the lurch and ask for payment, politely.

Your sense of bald entitlement, without any consideration of the employer, is absolutely stunning at such a young age.

As for the WRC, if they called me I would say who are we talking about here?
Will you be hoping for free legal aid at the WRC, senior counsel, junior counsel, lawyer etc

If they don’t pay the OP, then they didn’t give them a weeks work.

They robbed them of their services for a week.

Allinall wrote: »

If they don’t pay the OP, then they didn’t give them a weeks work.

They robbed them of their services for a week.

He should phone them or call in to clarify what's happening. Maybe the person he's mailing is on holidays or off sick.

Orange Tiny Terror wrote: »

Terrible work worship culture advice from some here. You fully deserve to be paid for the time you worked. You are also fully entitled to walk out without having to feel embarrassed about it.

The OP has said they did not register the employment with revenue. I have asked them twice did they provide their PPS no to the employer ( they have refused to answer this) - so I take it they did not give this info to the employer. How do they propose the employer pays them without a PPS number. Do they expect to get paid off the books - which is illegal?

I totally believe the OP's story.

OP
1) did you provide your PPS to your former employer?
2) Did your former employer provide you with their details so you could self register with the revenue?
3) Have you checked the revenue website to see if they registered you as an employee?

your moral compass sucks. by all means if you are unhappy about a job then leave. granted no one should work a job they are unhappy in but be a bloody adult about it. Speak to your employer face to face explain your reasons, stick to your guns if you are adamant and if required be it legally or out of common bloody courtesy work your notice period. if you do that no one can touch you.

now you have walked away from employment leaving your employer stuck. that is their problem not yours. you have continuously emailed and they have not answered so its time to put your big boy pants on and phone/walk in and speak face to face with them. be polite but firm, don't go in being bill big bollox threatening people with the WRC. Keep your powder dry until they refuse what you are entitled to.

regardless of the outcome to the phone call/face to face email in a summary of what took place. this gives them an opportunity to dispute what you are claiming are the facts of a discussion. you are basically minuting the meeting, that's standard practice and as is standard practice all parties invilved have an opportunity to set the record straight. if they dont respond or dont offer an alternative record of the call/meeting then if it goes legal they cant really come back and say "that never happened" or "i didnt say that" because you gave them a chance to correct the record.

if after the phone call / face to face they still refuse to engage and pay you. then take what ever legal action you deem appropriate, but I'd start with consulting a solicitor who specialises in employment law

cerateau wrote: »

No, because I was never asked.

I will ask them for their tax registration number.

I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

You need to give them your PPS no if you want them to pay you.





TBH, I think the employer has dodged a bullet here.

cerateau wrote: »

No, because I was never asked.

I will ask them for their tax registration number.

I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

I was sympathetic to you until this bit.

It doesn't matter if you will be paying tax or not, the employer will be paying PRSI on your behalf. You are entitled to be paid for the time you worked. But you should have provided your employer with your PPSN the day you started work. Workplace Relations will give you advice - you don't need representation to speak to them.

Take a look at the information below on the "Payment of Wages" Act https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_slip.html

Good for you getting a better job. Companies would ditch their employees just as quick so no shame in dumping them when it suits you.

Cerateau,

You are just not a priority for them which is not surprising but does not mean that they do not need to pay you. If they do not have your PPS number then you can assume there is nothing happening to get you paid.

As you had no contract, one other option may be to send an invoice to the company for the number of hours multiplied by the rate. In that way, they could just pay it without putting you on the payroll system. All the tax implications become your issue.

If that does not work for them, it might at least trigger them to resolve via payroll.

cerateau wrote: »

1 No 2 No 3 Yes
I did not need to give notice according to Irish law.

Your advice is good but it assumes that my employer is approachable.

I was doing all the **** jobs beyond the scope of the job description, breaking my back for just slightly above minimum wage.

My moral compass is apparently ****ed because I'm not submissive enough to my employer?

I'd like to keep everything in writing just so I have a leg to stand on.

Thank you for your advice tho

Being professional is not the same as being submissive. You may not legally be obliged to give notice, but what ever happened to basic manners? Some jobs aren't great, most job descriptions will state other duties as necessary. We aren't talking about being psychologically traumatised here by the sounds of it, just doing something you don't like doing. Such is life when starting out.

That being said, calls to just write off the weeks work you actually did are just as bad, but when you didn't have the common courtesy to conduct yourself professionally with them, why would you then expect them to drop everything and rush around so you're not inconvenienced?

Picking up the phone or dropping in and discussing it like an adult would still be my suggestion, but I wouldn't be expecting them to rush anything through outside of normal pay cycles, and I certainly wouldn't be expecting cash in hand, off the books because it might be handier.

cerateau wrote: »

I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

How is it that you don't pay tax?

Perhaps you should just invoice the employer for your services, assuming that you did some productive work in your first week. An employer is responsible for making PRSI returns for employees. In the absence of your tax details they are obligated to withhold tax on 'Emergency Tax' rates which may leave a little for you.

Given your treatment of the former employer I'd say that they'll just not waste their time with you. Put it down to experience.
The WRC would most likely laugh you out of the office.