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NEW 2020 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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  • #202
    Anonire
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Anonire


    Brera wrote: »
    There was something in the paper about this last week. Talk of carrying out a review and that the pay increase couldn’t really go ahead. There was a quote from Fianna Fáil saying that there shouldn’t be any cut and the pay increase could possibly go ahead as we’re frontline workers etc. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out. My guess is nothing will happen for a few months until a new government is formed.

    There a lot of people planning to retire who had been waiting for the increase so they may hold out now. The longer they stay the less places becomes available for the rest of us - lol

    If they pay rise is scrapped maybe they will leave sooner. I don't think the Oct pay rise will be scrapped.


  • #203
    ammg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭ammg


    Anonire wrote: »
    If they pay rise is scrapped maybe they will leave sooner. I don't think the Oct pay rise will be scrapped.

    It would be a bitter pill to swallow for those of us who have continued on as normal!


  • #204
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    ammg wrote: »
    It would be a bitter pill to swallow for those of us who have continued on as normal!

    True but I'd prefer to see the 2% deferred than back to 2011 paycuts!! Would feel sorry for the healthcare staff
    as they are very much frontline and they deserve a reward not a cut. The rest of us can go without.. and I say that as someone is very much involved in Covid work and would very much like another 2%!


  • #205
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Connected99 wrote: »
    I am curious to know would most of you be HEO grade applying for this competition?
    and are EO grades also applying?
    Thanks!!

    I'm a fairly recently appointed HEO. But I have also gone for AP as an EO. While I failed the interview, I took a lot from the experience. But it's not impossible for an EO to jump to AP, I know at least two who have. :)


  • #206
    Brera
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭Brera


    Connected99 wrote: »
    I am curious to know would most of you be HEO grade applying for this competition?
    and are EO grades also applying?
    Thanks!!

    Currently an EO. It’s difficult but not impossible to go from an EO to AP. If I don’t get it I will at least learn from the process, which I can use at a later date.


  • #207
    AprilMayJune
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭AprilMayJune


    Currently a HEO but regional. Definitely more opportunity for eo to ap in Dublin.


  • #208
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    True but I'd prefer to see the 2% deferred than back to 2011 paycuts!! Would feel sorry for the healthcare staff
    as they are very much frontline and they deserve a reward not a cut. The rest of us can go without.. and I say that as someone is very much involved in Covid work and would very much like another 2%!

    Back the there was deferred payrises due under Towards 2016, and the paycuts, pension levies etc. Dark days. The economy will need stimulating so I can see some sense in keeping the 2%. Politically it will be hard to maintain but if the country is re-open by September it might just get over the line


  • #209
    BMHOPE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭BMHOPE


    As an Eo I was placed on AP panel for the regions but did not get an offer yet, I need to improve my order of merit to have any chance really. I was since promoted to HEO but made the AP panel before the HEO competition began. So it is possible alright, I have been told though that it's harder to get a high placing in the interview as the management experience at appropriate level is harder to prove.


  • #210
    lucat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭lucat


    BMHOPE wrote: »
    As an Eo I was placed on AP panel for the regions but did not get an offer yet, I need to improve my order of merit to have any chance really. I was since promoted to HEO but made the AP panel before the HEO competition began. So it is possible alright, I have been told though that it's harder to get a high placing in the interview as the management experience at appropriate level is harder to prove.

    I'm an EO & a team lead. I'm also on the board of a charity so I'm hoping the corporate governance experience I've got from that will help too.


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  • #211
    Brera
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭Brera


    ParkRunner wrote: »
    Back the there was deferred payrises due under Towards 2016, and the paycuts, pension levies etc. Dark days. The economy will need stimulating so I can see some sense in keeping the 2%. Politically it will be hard to maintain but if the country is re-open by September it might just get over the line


    A lot depends on how the unions react. A lot of people, myself included wouldn’t mind under the circumstances losing the 2%. But trying to implement cuts would be a different story.

    I can’t see a new government annoying the unions and having to deal with the possibility of industrial action, especially if we have the threat of a second wave with the virus.

    If they honour the agreement it makes trying to achieve another deal which reflects the current economic situation much more likely and they can try to drive further ‘reform’ with that.

    Plus as you said the economy will need some stimulating.


  • #212
    Brera
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭Brera


    BMHOPE wrote: »
    As an Eo I was placed on AP panel for the regions but did not get an offer yet, I need to improve my order of merit to have any chance really. I was since promoted to HEO but made the AP panel before the HEO competition began. So it is possible alright, I have been told though that it's harder to get a high placing in the interview as the management experience at appropriate level is harder to prove.


    I wonder what weight are they giving to the management experience as part of the interview ? I know a few AOs that got AP and they would have been in policy orientated areas with little actual management experience.


  • #213
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Brera wrote: »
    I wonder what weight are they giving to the management experience as part of the interview ? I know a few AOs that got AP and they would have been in policy orientated areas with little actual management experience.

    Seems to me that the focus of these competitions changes every time they are run.
    For e.g. recent HEO comps have focused on eithr team leadership, or policy experience or project management.
    This AP has singled out team leadership, project management and decision making for the form so at a guess, I'd say that's where the focus is this year.


  • #214
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Connected99 wrote: »
    I am curious to know would most of you be HEO grade applying for this competition?
    and are EO grades also applying?
    Thanks!!

    HEO equivalent and managing 5 areas & two teams in my Division, before promotion EO equivalent with no people management responibilities. Before CS, I was AO equivalent in public sector.. Means nothing unless you can get it across to the board though!
    I know of COs and EOs that have been promoted to AP. I reckon it's all about confidence! :)


  • #215
    TomandGerry
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭TomandGerry


    Hi All

    First time applying for AP. Just wondering in terms of the test to be completed by 18 May. How many questions do you have to get right to be put forward to the next stage or rather how many are you expected to answer within the 12 minute time frame (right or wrong). Many thanks


  • #216
    Marie_C
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭Marie_C


    TomandGerry wrote: »
    Hi All

    First time applying for AP. Just wondering in terms of the test to be completed by 18 May. How many questions do you have to get right to be put forward to the next stage or rather how many are you expected to answer within the 12 minute time frame (right or wrong). Many thanks

    Hi,
    Just wondering if you are referring to AP tax specialist or standard AP? I didn’t receive anything from PublicJobs for the standard AP comp.
    Thanks.


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  • #217
    TomandGerry
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭TomandGerry


    Marie_C wrote: »
    Hi,
    Just wondering if you are referring to AP tax specialist or standard AP? I didn’t receive anything from PublicJobs for the standard AP comp.
    Thanks.

    Hi I am referring to the AP tax specialist


  • #218
    BMHOPE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭BMHOPE


    TomandGerry wrote: »
    Hi I am referring to the AP tax specialist

    Hi Marie, no easy answer unfortunately, it depends on how everyone else does that is competing. Usually maths does not count - just have to pass, but I asked that question but the answer received was not clear, the verbal is definitely counted in order of merit in other competitions -its usually so many on order of merit are called forward to next round, so passing may not be enough. They say they may call you again at a future date but it generally does not happen in revenue competitions unless for Dublin. Esp this panel only lasts a year and movement for regions not that large.


  • #219
    Connected99
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Connected99


    Aglomerado wrote: »
    I'm a fairly recently appointed HEO. But I have also gone for AP as an EO. While I failed the interview, I took a lot from the experience. But it's not impossible for an EO to jump to AP, I know at least two who have. :)

    Thanks :)
    I am an EO just over 2 years now and waiting on HEO interview for a county that has no panel and probably won't ever have a panel by the look of things to date..... So I've applied for AP.....
    Best of luck!!


  • #220
    jaja321
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    Connected99 wrote: »
    I am curious to know would most of you be HEO grade applying for this competition?
    and are EO grades also applying?
    Thanks!!

    I'm applying but not from the civil service at all. Not sure how that would be viewed either positively or negatively!


  • #221
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    jaja321 wrote: »
    I'm applying but not from the civil service at all. Not sure how that would be viewed either positively or negatively!

    Plenty of non CS are successful :)


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  • #222
    CS_longshot
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭CS_longshot


    ammg wrote: »
    Just got a message from Revenue re AP Tax Specialist - online assessment to be completed by May 18th

    Can you tell us who the test provider is? Do you have to do two or three tests (verbal, numerical and/or situational judgement) Thanks in advance!


  • #223
    BMHOPE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭BMHOPE


    There are two tests, verbal and numeric. They are cut-e tests, 6 tabs across the top and yes no or can't say. No situational judgement this time. Might be part of next stage, probably questions to answer on line _ like online interview.


  • #224
    Connected99
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Connected99


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    Plenty of non CS are successful :)

    True!!!


  • #225
    ammg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭ammg


    Just did test yesterday. It's just numeric and verbal. Omg! 37 numeric in 12 mins with about 4 screens to check. 49 verbal in 12 mins with 6 screens to check.


  • #226
    ammg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭ammg


    What did anyone who did ap tax specialist online think? Normally I enjoy these but I found this tough!


  • #227
    The_Dave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭The_Dave


    ammg wrote: »
    What did anyone who did ap tax specialist online think? Normally I enjoy these but I found this tough!
    Moreso the verbal, just struggled with that


  • #228
    compaq32
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭compaq32


    BMHOPE wrote: »
    Very similar, esp maths but English for verbal analysis more complex, negative phrasing etc. throws you as difficult to skim read and usually more tabs, might be marketing and locations for eg. With similar info. But confuses you on which tab info is in.

    Hi a few people have asked where's best to practice, I can't see an answer to their question.

    Has the provider changed from SHL (there are hints at new providers in the thread)? Is there any online provider with preparation for the 'new' exams? Many thanks


  • #229
    BMHOPE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭BMHOPE


    compaq32 wrote: »
    Hi a few people have asked where's best to practice, I can't see an answer to their question.

    Has the provider changed from SHL (there are hints at new providers in the thread)? Is there any online provider with preparation for the 'new' exams? Many thanks

    Revenue often use cut e tests, you can buy practice ones but they don't have the different tabs, just straight passages from what I've seen. SHl are often used too - but more by PAS I think, they are similar really just different providers. Practice apptitude tests have both these but not the tab choices.


  • #230
    Pdbtsi
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭Pdbtsi


    Hi all - first time applying to this competition. They haven't yet given dates for the standard AP comp tests, right? Want to make sure I haven't somehow missed the message (or just been excluded already!). Did a few practice tests over the weekend - can see I am going to need as much practice time as possible for the numerical.


  • #231
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    [PHP][/PHP]
    Pdbtsi wrote: »
    Hi all - first time applying to this competition. They haven't yet given dates for the standard AP comp tests, right? Want to make sure I haven't somehow missed the message (or just been excluded already!). Did a few practice tests over the weekend - can see I am going to need as much practice time as possible for the numerical.

    Nope we haven't heard anything yet. Previous posters are talking about a revenue competition for AP tax specialist that also uses exams for shortlisting.
    At least the numerical doesn't count for order of merit- just need to pass!


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  • #232
    Rdwrer
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Rdwrer


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    [PHP][/PHP]

    Nope we haven't heard anything yet. Previous posters are talking about a revenue competition for AP tax specialist that also uses exams for shortlisting.
    At least the numerical doesn't count for order of merit- just need to pass!

    Would be helpful if we could separate the threads.


  • #233
    kilburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    Rdwrer wrote:
    Would be helpful if we could separate the threads.


    There is a separate thread people don't seem to be using it or didn't see it.


  • #234
    ammg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭ammg


    kilburn wrote: »
    There is a separate thread people don't seem to be using it or didn't see it.

    Can you post a link please? I can't find it.


  • #235
    delricyo
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭delricyo


    ammg wrote: »
    Can you post a link please? I can't find it.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057891302


  • #236
    BMHOPE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭BMHOPE


    ammg wrote: »
    Can you post a link please? I can't find it.

    There is not actually one for the 2020 competition, this thread was started for the 18 and was used again last year for the 19, and has been used by a few for the 2020 one, it's a quite thread in general, eventhough In general the competition attracts a high number of applicants. The movement off the 19 panel has not been huge either, I believe the 18 panel moved a lot quicker and got to numbers that placed near the end of the panel. With this pandemic the panel has not moved at all for three counties I had down.


  • #237
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    BMHOPE wrote: »
    There is not actually one for the 2020 competition, this thread was started for the 18 and was used again last year for the 19, and has been used by a few for the 2020 one, it's a quite thread in general, eventhough In general the competition attracts a high number of applicants. The movement off the 19 panel has not been huge either, I believe the 18 panel moved a lot quicker and got to numbers that placed near the end of the panel. With this pandemic the panel has not moved at all for three counties I had down.

    AP 2018
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057902309&page=184

    AP Tax Specialist 2018
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=107513419

    There was no AP Open InterD 2019....

    There was no AP Tax |Specialist Open in 2019. There was an Internal.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110843531

    If there isn't a thread, a grown adult can start one. This thread-spoiling on Boards in recent years is getting ridiculous. A simple mention and a link would suffice. The youth of today....!


  • #238
    Anonire
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Anonire


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    [PHP][/PHP]

    Nope we haven't heard anything yet. Previous posters are talking about a revenue competition for AP tax specialist that also uses exams for shortlisting.
    At least the numerical doesn't count for order of merit- just need to pass!

    Does the numerical not count?


  • #239
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Anonire wrote: »
    Does the numerical not count?[/QUOTE

    Usually, the verbal and situational count towards the order of merit (OOM) but you must pass the numerical. The AP revenue competition mentioned a few posts up seems to be only testing verbal and numerical. I don't know of that will mean just verbal counted for OOM for that competition and whether this OPEN/InterD will be the same?? Who knows!


  • #240
    Anonire
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Anonire


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    Anonire wrote: »
    Does the numerical not count?[/QUOTE

    Usually, the verbal and situational count towards the order of merit (OOM) but you must pass the numerical. The AP revenue competition mentioned a few posts up seems to be only testing verbal and numerical. I don't know of that will mean just verbal counted for OOM for that competition and whether this OPEN/InterD will be the same?? Who knows!

    Thanks cheese.

    I've done a few of the revenue ones and usually seem to get on well. I'm alot better at numerical than verbal and so I just thought the verbal must have been counted. Correct there was no situational judgement in this latest aptitude sitting. However last year there was no aptitude test at all for the open comp, so I guess each competition can be tweaked.
    Also would have thought that numerical ability would be an advantage for somewhere like revenue maybe not.

    Next up the aptitudes for this thread. Better go and practice my verbal as my numerical won't be helping me along.
    Wonder when they will proceed.


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  • #241
    ammg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭ammg


    Just got the email to do aptitude test ��


  • #242
    kilburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    ammg wrote:
    Just got the email to do aptitude test


    Same here


  • #243
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    kilburn wrote: »
    Same here

    me three!


  • #244
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    happier that it doesn't seem to be cut-e tabbed tests again! hate them!


  • #245
    Forthebuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Forthebuzz


    Almost a week for tests and over the bh weekend too, fantastic choice of window! Hopefully weather will be good so I can get some uninterrupted time


  • #246
    Forthebuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Forthebuzz


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    happier that it doesn't seem to be cut-e tabbed tests again! hate them!

    I think shl has been the provider for the last few years


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  • #247
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Forthebuzz wrote: »
    I think shl has been the provider for the last few years
    maybe for AP? the last AO and HEO I did were the nightmare tabbed tests and Evergreen!


  • #248
    Irishder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Irishder


    yeah me to


  • #249
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Forthebuzz wrote: »
    Almost a week for tests and over the bh weekend too, fantastic choice of window! Hopefully weather will be good so I can get some uninterrupted time

    true.. but now the problem of where to do the tests to optimise quiet time. there won't be anywhere for partner to bring the kids! :D


  • #250
    Forthebuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Forthebuzz


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    true.. but now the problem of where to do the tests to optimise quiet time. there won't be anywhere for partner to bring the kids! :D

    I'm hoping if he can just get them out of the house, I can go up to the office with the noise cancelling headphones and hope no one comes near me for a couple of hours


  • #251
    totlee
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭totlee


    hi. results are out for AP Interdepartmental today. Was their a shortlisting at this stage or did everyone that applied get to assessment stage


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