Doctors that aren't doctors. Dr. that are not Dr.

Arghus · 11-12-2018 3:03am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

A fair few 'doctors' have posted on this thread already lol. Yep. Guarantee none of them are actual doctors that involve healthcare.

There should be a distinction. And 95% of people know doctors as someone who will look after you if sick. Otherwise putting a Dr before your name is a fake title.

As long as you are rushing to the nearest hospital, rather than the nearest Faculty of Arts, in the case of a medical emergency then you should be okay.

There's plenty of Doctors in the English and Sociology departments in my local university, but somehow I've managed to know that whatever field they may have expertise in they probably won't be able to perform an emergency tracheotomy.

Seriously, does anyone in the world get confused by this non-issue?

Dr.Sanchez · 11-12-2018 3:08am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Trust me, I'm the doctor.

Not the only doctor in the house!

On a serious note - we have a consultant in work who has a doctorate in a completely unrelated subject but likes to think she knows every about everything, simply because she has a doctorate. Those are the worst kind of people.

feargale · 11-12-2018 3:31am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think the word doctor should be a title preserved for those that provide healthcare to people. If you can diagnose or prescribe or write a note for someone that's ill you're a doctor. Otherwise you are not a doctor and should not be allowed put that title before your name.

Who the fuck made Dr. Ian Paisley happen? There's other examples too btw...

I haven't read the whole thread and I'm sorry if I'm missing something.

You have this the wrong way around. The original meaning of doctor is teacher, e.g. Thomas Aquinas is a "Doctor of the Church." It is the medical profession who have hijacked the title, not vice versa. Universities have for centuries conferred the title of Doctor on people who have demonstrated special expertise in various fields. In France a medical doctor is "medecin", in Italy "medico." The Italian dottore is as likely a lawyer or an engineer.
A far greater abuse is the conferring by a university of the title doctor on some illiterate who can kick a football, or a political tyrant or a shady businessman who gives money to the relevant institution.

Irish Guitarist · 11-12-2018 3:47am

Where did Dr. Oetker get his degree? His pizzas are shite.

kyote00 · 11-12-2018 5:22am

What about 'flying doctors' ? Are they then to be called Captain Doctor XYZ

Raheem Euro · 11-12-2018 5:39am

kyote00 wrote: »

What about 'flying doctors' ?

"Tango Victor 7"

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 11-12-2018 7:50am

mikhail wrote: »

Given several posts in this thread have clearly explained why that's a stupid position, and given that you've just ignored them and restated your position, and given your ridiculous username, I'm going to assume you're a troll.

That's a word we used to use exclusively for mythical Norwegian monsters, but in the modern meaning is also used to discribe muppets on the internet. Does that confuse you too?

Lol. Don't assume I'm a troll. I made a genuine point and judging from the responses it stacks up just fine.

Doctors provide healthcare to people. Otherwise you are a fake doctor. I'll stand by this point.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 11-12-2018 7:55am

feargale wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread and I'm sorry if I'm missing something.

You have this the wrong way around. The original meaning of doctor is teacher, e.g. Thomas Aquinas is a "Doctor of the Church." It is the medical profession who have hijacked the title, not vice versa. Universities have for centuries conferred the title of Doctor on people who have demonstrated special expertise in various fields. In France a medical doctor is "medecin", in Italy "medico." The Italian dottore is as likely a lawyer or an engineer.
A far greater abuse is the conferring by a university of the title doctor on some illiterate who can kick a football, or a political tyrant or a shady businessman who gives money to the relevant institution.

So what? Who the fukc cares about the historical significance of the word. The word doctor to the vast majority of people today means a healthcare provider.

t1h9mgqsxopj0r · 11-12-2018 8:00am

Dr Mantis Tobogan

Wanderer78 · 11-12-2018 8:01am

Are people seriously getting offended over a word!

Lord Glentoran · 11-12-2018 8:07am

Donnybrook Polytechnic and its affiliates issue medical degrees with the designatory letters MB BCh BAO. Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery. Not “Doctor”.

In the interests of accuracy we should then refer to Medical Practitioners and reserve the title of Doctor to real Doctors, like academics with degrees of PhD and above.

Littlehorny · 11-12-2018 8:37am

What about that poo sniffer Dr. Gillian Mc Keith? Wonder what collage you go to for that doctorate.

Lord Glentoran · 11-12-2018 8:45am

Littlehorny wrote: »

What about that poo sniffer Dr. Gillian Mc Keith? Wonder what collage you go to for that doctorate.

A collage of poo. What an intriguing thought before breakfast. No wonder Jackson Pollack used different coloured paints to avoid confusion.

professore · 11-12-2018 9:33am

Kinda sick of this godlike worship so many people seem to have for doctors - and the unquestioning godlike respect many of them demand. They are just doing a job like anyone else and are well paid for it. And some of them are arrogant and pretty bad at it.

Lord Glentoran · 11-12-2018 9:40am

professore wrote: »

Kinda sick of this godlike worship so many people seem to have for doctors - and the unquestioning godlike respect many of them demand. They are just doing a job like anyone else and are well paid for it. And some of them are arrogant and pretty bad at it.

Medical Practitioners’ enthusiasm for means tested medical cards needs to be faced down rapido before it scuppers a post-Brexit United Ireland deal.

Keyzer · 11-12-2018 10:25am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think the word doctor should be a title preserved for those that provide healthcare to people. If you can diagnose or prescribe or write a note for someone that's ill you're a doctor. Otherwise you are not a doctor and should not be allowed put that title before your name.

Who the fuck made Dr. Ian Paisley happen? There's other examples too btw...

Another day, another pointless thread in after hour...

topper75 · 11-12-2018 10:39am

Iker Stale Cuttlefish wrote: »

Bob Jones University, honoury doctorate i.e. Micky Mouse doctorate.

Mickey Mouse how?

No roman follower of the whore of Babylon was ever going to beat the good doctor in a bible quiz :P

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2018 10:42am

Kaison Whispering Warlock wrote: »

Unless they earned a legitimate doctorate in something else.

Yes but the Irish state does not recognise the "job" of a Chiropractor as a legitimate medical skill - practice.

Chiropractors are quacks

Dr Bob · 11-12-2018 10:43am

Hello!

mark_jmc · 11-12-2018 10:46am

Dr Bob wrote: »

Hello!

You're Dr Bob???!!!

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2018 10:46am

professore wrote: »

Kinda sick of this godlike worship so many people seem to have for doctors - and the unquestioning godlike respect many of them demand. They are just doing a job like anyone else and are well paid for it. And some of them are arrogant and pretty bad at it.

Most of them are arrogant, older doctors being the worst, they were second to priests for decades

Bannasidhe · 11-12-2018 10:59am

biko wrote: »

Few years ago at a large gathering a woman asked me if there were any doctors around (she had had a very minor accident). I looked around, saw many doctors so said " sure - do you want Philosophy, History, English, Art History, or Sociology?"

Then I got me First Aid Kit out and patched her up.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 11-12-2018 11:20am

Keyzer wrote: »

Another day, another pointless thread in after hour...

So why read/post/look into it?

Think my point is okay. The fact that so many people on here are so completely butt hurt is hilarious

Doctor Doctor.

Mrs OBumble · 11-12-2018 11:32am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Doctors provide healthcare to people. Otherwise you are a fake doctor. I'll stand by this point.

Nah, nurses provide healthcare

Doctors just prescibe pills and refer people to surgeons... ie more qualified doctors who are called Mr, not Dr.

Does that mean we should stop calling people who aren't surgeons Mr?

enda1 · 11-12-2018 12:12pm

Seems a bit of a British hangover trying to give everyone titles when they're irrelevant to general life. Dr, sir, lord etc.
I'd only and solely use the term Dr for medical doctors as a reference to their job and not overly as a title either.

I'm not myself any form of doctor I might add, but I work with many "doctors" in engineering, science and philosophy, and not one would use the title. So I don't think there's a bit need for much angst surrounding the subject as it tends to come out in the wash anyway.

Boom_Bap · 11-12-2018 12:15pm

11-12-2018 12:18pm

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think the word doctor should be a title preserved for those that provide healthcare to people. If you can diagnose or prescribe or write a note for someone that's ill you're a doctor. Otherwise you are not a doctor and should not be allowed put that title before your name.

Who the fuck made Dr. Ian Paisley happen? There's other examples too btw...

Medical doctors are not doctors at all as they don’t have a PhD. So no, your suggestion is nonsense.

People who don’t have a PhD should not be allowed to call themselves doctors including any healthcare practitioner.

enda1 wrote: »

I'm not myself any form of doctor I might add, but I work with many "doctors" in engineering, science and philosophy, and not one would use the title. So I don't think there's a bit need for much angst surrounding the subject as it tends to come out in the wash anyway.

Lots of us in the science engineering field do use the title though, mostly not privately but always for work purposes.

griffin100 · 11-12-2018 12:19pm

For most healthcare professionals the title Dr is more a job description than a qualification.

Dentists get a Bachelors degree in dental science, not sure should the use the title. Same with Vets.

Pisses me off to see physios using the title Dr.

Yes I have a PhD, and only use the title Dr when dealing wit my bank

Cee-Jay-Cee · 11-12-2018 12:27pm

There is an arshole who writes to my office on a regular basis and titles himself as Dr XXX. His doctorate is in some form of sociology or some other nonsense ...ology. Anyway I refuse to address his as Dr (either on the phone or in writing) and it drives him nuts and generally detracts from the original complaint or whatever he was ringing/writing about. I have told him firmly that the only person I will address as Dr is my own doctor and as he is not my doctor and as his communications are not associated with his doctorate then I will address him as Mr XXXX. He has complained to my boss about me but as i'm being polite then there is nothing they can do about it. I'm nearly sure he burst a blood vessel one day while on the phone to me. When I meet him out and about I address him by his first name, it drives him absolutely insane.

He is a Grade A, top drawer wanker.

Lord Glentoran · 11-12-2018 12:30pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

There is an arshole who writes to my office on a regular basis and titles himself as Dr XXX. His doctorate is in some form of sociology or some other nonsense ...ology. Anyway I refuse to address his as Dr (either on the phone or in writing) and it drives him nuts and generally detracts from the original complaint or whatever he was ringing/writing about. I have told him firmly that the only person I will address as Dr is my own doctor and as he is not my doctor and as his communications are not associated with his doctorate then I will address him as Mr XXXX. He has complained to my boss about me but as i'm being polite then there is nothing they can do about it. I'm nearly sure he burst a blood vessel one day while on the phone to me. When I meet him out and about I address him by his first name, it drives him absolutely insane.

He is a Grade A, top drawer wanker.

Your customer, yes?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-12-2018 12:34pm

griffin100 wrote: »

For most healthcare professionals the title Dr is more a job description than a qualification.

Dentists get a Bachelors degree in dental science, not sure should the use the title. Same with Vets.

Pisses me off to see physios using the title Dr.

Yes I have a PhD, and only use the title Dr when dealing wit my bank

Agreed. I only use mine on papers. Likewise the listing of qualifications like FRS, CEng MIEI etc should be reserved for dealing with professional bodies only and not on every email or bit correspondence in everyday life.

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 12:43pm

It has been the practice for some time to let the various and assorted quacks and travelling vendors of snake-sqeezings to their "Doctor" or "Dr." and address right and proper doctorate holders via their actual academic titles, e.g. The Rt. Hon. James Daniel Augustus St. Rufus Mary Peter Goose Ph.D Comp.Sci.

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endacl · 11-12-2018 2:59pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Are people seriously getting offended over a word!

It’s a thing. We’re all doing it now!

hynesie08 · 11-12-2018 3:10pm

Boone White Moisture wrote: »

Medical doctors are not doctors at all as they don’t have a PhD. So no, your suggestion is nonsense.

People who don’t have a PhD should not be allowed to call themselves doctors including any healthcare practitioner

Don't they have an MD, which literally translates as doctor of medicine?

Dravokivich · 11-12-2018 3:24pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Don't they have an MD, which literally translates as doctor of medicine?

Not the other way around, no?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 11-12-2018 3:27pm

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

Your customer, yes?

No, serial complainer.

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 3:31pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Don't they have an MD, which literally translates as doctor of medicine?

No. The Medicinae Doctor around here is a postgraduate degree in medicine, not a doctorate in the academic sense.

hynesie08 · 11-12-2018 3:39pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

Not the other way around, no?

Well, in Latin it's Medicinae Doctor, I'm not sure if that translates to medical doctor or doctor of medicine, Google says both..

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 3:53pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Well, in Latin it's Medicinae Doctor, I'm not sure if that translates to medical doctor or doctor of medicine, Google says both..

Doctor of Medicine, where "Doctor" retains it's original Latin meaning of "teacher".

Lux23 · 11-12-2018 3:55pm

I think if someone spends five or six years in research they're more than entitled to the title, Doctor.

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 4:00pm

enda1 wrote: »

Seems a bit of a British hangover trying to give everyone titles when they're irrelevant to general life. Dr, sir, lord etc.
I'd only and solely use the term Dr for medical doctors as a reference to their job and not overly as a title either.

I'm not myself any form of doctor I might add, but I work with many "doctors" in engineering, science and philosophy, and not one would use the title. So I don't think there's a bit need for much angst surrounding the subject as it tends to come out in the wash anyway.

Titles like that are taken rather more seriously in Germany, according to my old mucker Herr Professor-Doktor Rittmeister Dieter Frieherr Müller.

hynesie08 · 11-12-2018 4:10pm

jimgoose wrote: »

Doctor of Medicine, where "Doctor" retains it's original Latin meaning of "teacher".

Fair enough, so would someone who teaches medicine be entitled to be called doctor??

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 4:32pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Fair enough, so would someone who teaches medicine be entitled to be called doctor??

I would imagine anyone lecturing in that capacity would be at least qualified as a medical doctor, so yes, I suppose so.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 11-12-2018 5:00pm

Lux23 wrote: »

I think if someone spends five or six years in research they're more than entitled to the title, Doctor.

That's not very fair logic. A person could spend 5/6 years doing anything, it shouldn't 'entitle' you to anything, except the piece of paper saying you have xyz qualification.

The word doctor should be reserved for folks who make the decisions in the provision of healthcare. If someone is a master engineer or carpenter they can call themselves whatever they want, but they shouldn't be called doctors.

jimgoose · 11-12-2018 5:21pm

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

That's not very fair logic. A person could spend 5/6 years doing anything, it shouldn't 'entitle' you to anything, except the piece of paper saying you have xyz qualification.

The word doctor should be reserved for folks who make the decisions in the provision of healthcare don't know what it means.

FYP!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-12-2018 5:47pm

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

That's not very fair logic. A person could spend 5/6 years doing anything, it shouldn't 'entitle' you to anything, except the piece of paper saying you have xyz qualification.

The word doctor should be reserved for folks who make the decisions in the provision of healthcare. If someone is a master engineer or carpenter they can call themselves whatever they want, but they shouldn't be called doctors.

You seem to be missing the whole point. The title of Dr predates it's use to describe a medical practitioner. Why should it be reserved for a use it was never intended? Do you honestly think somebody who achieved a Doctorate shouldn't have the qualification of Dr? And nobody gets a Doctorate (apart from honorary ones which are another issue) through entitlement regardless of how long they strive for it.