Raves

Zascar · 12-02-2018 10:37pm

I've been to a few. The Creation raves in Devils's glen were amazing. Never made it to the ones at Donabate but they looked mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBvlvEvuNUs

Was at some in warehouses up past oconnel street about 7 years ago - they even flew in international djs to play at them.

Good times!

Stab*City · 13-02-2018 12:19pm

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Being on pills doesn't automatically make people nice, seen enough fights between people yoked off there heads to know that's a myth-did the earlier scene just have a complete lack of scumbags (and if so why did they flock to the dance scene later)

No the one and only difference between late 80's early 90's were the yokes. For a period there from 88/89-92/93 and maybe a bit later there was certain types of E that really did change scumbags into friends. Although when people came down the following few days it was business as usual. These pills (Snowballs, Mad Bastards, Rhubarb&Custard, The first White doves, Dennis the Menaces etc) were totally different to what came later. It really was a love buzz. I mean there will always be some who are just pure scum but trust me i seen enemies turn into friends over night after a snowball. And they simply don't make E like that anymore or even after 94-95. Some people say the doves of the mid-late 90's were similar and they were but were not a patch on what came before them.

RDM_83 again wrote: »

It all just sounds like the standard, everything was great in my youth thing particularly as I would imagine the proportion of young people doing stuff like ket and mdma or research chemicals is probably higher now than the early 90's and there is still semi-legal all nighters still happening anyway

Yes but the big difference back then was the emergence of Dance Music. It was like nothing heard before and that mixed with the love buzz created a vibe that was magical. Right place right time comes to mind. Im sure the original summer of love was similar but ours was more full on and alot stronger.

I went to my first rave back in those days, from there i started djing, since i have become involved in the scene heavily. I gave up drugs and drink years ago but my last rave was a couple months back (although these days they are in much trendier surroundings) I cant remember a thing from 90-2008 but i can remember everything since. These days i enjoy the clubs/events for the music as opposed to the buzz. Its different but still enjoyable.

Sir Henrys, Theatre Royal, Prodigy in the point 1992, Club UK, Fantasia, Tribal Gathering Uk, Creamfields, The System, The Asylum, Sex Kitchen, La Locomotive Paris, My Gaff all to name but a few. I loved every minute.

By the way the E was so good that if you handed me an original snowball right now id drop it right here at my corporate desk.

Sephiroth_dude · 13-02-2018 12:23pm

pleas advice wrote: »

this just popped up in my youtube suggested list

The good auld days, whatever happened John power?

Big Nasty · 13-02-2018 12:31pm

Stab*City wrote: »

No the one and only difference between late 80's early 90's were the yokes. For a period there from 88/89-92/93 and maybe a bit later there was certain types of E that really did change scumbags into friends. Although when people came down the following few days it was business as usual. These pills (Snowballs, Mad Bastards, Rhubarb&Custard, The first White doves, Dennis the Menaces etc) were totally different to what came later. It really was a love buzz. I mean there will always be some who are just pure scum but trust me i seen enemies turn into friends over night after a snowball. And they simply don't make E like that anymore or even after 94-95. Some people say the doves of the mid-late 90's were similar and they were but were not a patch on what came before them.

Yes but the big difference back then was the emergence of Dance Music. It was like nothing heard before and that mixed with the love buzz created a vibe that was magical. Right place right time comes to mind. Im sure the original summer of love was similar but ours was more full on and alot stronger.

I went to my first rave back in those days, from there i started djing, since i have become involved in the scene heavily. I gave up drugs and drink years ago but my last rave was a couple months back (although these days they are in much trendier surroundings) I cant remember a thing from 90-2008 but i can remember everything since. These days i enjoy the clubs/events for the music as opposed to the buzz. Its different but still enjoyable.

Sir Henrys, Theatre Royal, Prodigy in the point 1992, Club UK, Fantasia, Tribal Gathering Uk, Creamfields, The System, The Asylum, Sex Kitchen, La Locomotive Paris, My Gaff all to name but a few. I loved every minute.

By the way the E was so good that if you handed me an original snowball right now id drop it right here at my corporate desk.

You don't remember a thing from 90-2008, but you loved every minute.

I don't get that?

Stab*City · 13-02-2018 12:52pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

You don't remember a thing from 90-2008, but you loved every minute.

I don't get that?

I dont remember the peoples names, the tunes that were played, the places i kipped in, what time i went to sleep, half the chicks i ended up with. But man ill never forget that rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lFgPmUTEqQ

thebull85 · 13-02-2018 12:53pm

2001-2008 was my time (i know a lot of you will say it was all over by then) The ecstasy was still good, clubbing in dublin was very good big names every week in the likes of the Redbox, the Vaults, Traffic the temple theatre amd spirit among others.

Festivals like HiFi in mullingar, global gathering in Cork even the dance acts at oxegen were top notch.

I miss them days so much, you could be out for 3 days and not have a worry in your mind.

Towards the end of that era i did notice more and more violence at these events probably because of the coke.

Stab*City · 13-02-2018 1:19pm

thebull85 wrote: »

2001-2008 was my time (i know a lot of you will say it was all over by then) The ecstasy was still good, clubbing in dublin was very good big names every week in the likes of the Redbox, the Vaults, Traffic the temple theatre amd spirit among others.

Great years as well.

jiltloop · 13-02-2018 1:36pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

how do you find out where and when they are on?

Go to the right clubs in town and they might even be selling wrist bands for the after parties which start when the clubs close and usually go on til about 6/7am. They can be in all sorts of mad places, one I was at was in a Chinese restaurant which we had to enter through the kitchen.

pgj2015 · 13-02-2018 7:09pm

jiltloop wrote: »

Go to the right clubs in town and they might even be selling wrist bands for the after parties which start when the clubs close and usually go on til about 6/7am. They can be in all sorts of mad places, one I was at was in a Chinese restaurant which we had to enter through the kitchen.

sounds good. what clubs do you usually get the wrist bands?

saintsaltynuts · 13-02-2018 7:14pm

I went to an Acid House Party once. I was locked. I drank three car batteries.

soiseztomabel · 14-02-2018 12:04am

pgj2015 wrote: »

sounds good. what clubs do you usually get the wrist bands?

#shades

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 12:22am

pgj2015 wrote: »

sounds good. what clubs do you usually get the wrist bands?

the likes of Hangar, Sin, opium rooms. Just check out online wherever theres a dance night on. Usually outside at the end of the night, if its happening youll see people buying wristbands.

Anyone here ever go to a place on eden quay, used to be called garden of eden it was a strip club, but every saturday morning theyd open downstairs entering in through the lane. Some fkn crazy mornings in that place. Dj on playing house and techno and everyone out of their minds.

good times.

pgj2015 · 14-02-2018 12:51am

thebull85 wrote: »

the likes of Hangar, Sin, opium rooms. Just check out online wherever theres a dance night on. Usually outside at the end of the night, if its happening youll see people buying wristbands.

Anyone here ever go to a place on eden quay, used to be called garden of eden it was a strip club, but every saturday morning theyd open downstairs entering in through the lane. Some fkn crazy mornings in that place. Dj on playing house and techno and everyone out of their minds.

good times.

opium rooms was rubbish last time I was there a few months ago, a friday night. it just seemed like every other mainstream night club, crap music.

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 1:02am

pgj2015 wrote: »

opium rooms was rubbish last time I was there a few months ago, a friday night. it just seemed like every other mainstream night club, crap music.

the regular nights are garbage, but they have the odd dance night up there its decent venue for it.

Have you been to District8 ?
Havent ventured up there yet, Chris Liebing is on up there in a couple of weeks.

pgj2015 · 14-02-2018 1:05am

thebull85 wrote: »

the regular nights are garbage, but they have the odd dance night up there its decent venue for it.

Have you been to District8 ?
Havent ventured up there yet, Chris Liebing is on up there in a couple of weeks.

so opium rooms isn't totally finished so, thats good. district 8 have good djs but average seems to be 18 so i wont be going there. index is good.

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 2:31am

thebull85 wrote: »

the regular nights are garbage, but they have the odd dance night up there its decent venue for it.

Have you been to District8 ?
Havent ventured up there yet, Chris Liebing is on up there in a couple of weeks.

D8 is a very cool spot if you're into the scene - I'll echo another poster however in that the crowd's been a bit young the last couple of time's I've gone. Suppose it depends on who's on.

In general I'll disagree with a lot of what's been said of the current state of the scene - I'm 23 and all I'll say is ecstasy use is exploding in the youth bracket. People I know that generally wouldn't have been seen even touching a joint are now double dropping three days in a row at the likes of Electric picnic.

This is where the problems start - drug education in this country amounts to "don't do that you'll die"; and just like preaching abstinence as the only option in sex ed classes people overwhelmingly ignore it.
Problem is nobody has a clue about harm reduction; I'm a pharmacologist so I'd know better than most at my age but honestly the amount of disinformation going around is staggering.
MDMA is a very safe drug if used correctly and can be an absolutely incredible experience...life changing I'd say even - but in my experience almost nobody knows how to treat it with the proper respect. Routinely hear of people (generally in the context of festivals) ingesting dangerous amounts and often in tandem with ketamine, drink and cocaine (which the eejits don't realise actually physically stops the MDMA high).

It baffles me that people ever take drugs without having researching them thoroughly beforehand but it'd be naive of me to expect the youth at large to behave in a reasonably responsible manner. I'd advocate including harm reduction classes as part of the SPHE curriculum for the seniour cycle but of course there'd be war from the small minded folk who'd see it as condoning use of "dangerous" drugs which they invariably know nothing about and have never tried while they drink their glass of wine oblivious to the irony.

What these people don't realise is that people are going to do the drugs anyway - it's the ignorance of proper usage that makes many of them dangerous in the first place. Near to 100% of deaths from "MDMA" for example would be entirely avoidable if people knew about the importance of testing your stuff, taking breaks from dancing to prevent overheating etc etc.

For those of you interested in learning about harm reduction wrt ectasy use: https://rollsafe.org

Never stop dancing the night away folks, but be safe.

Big Nasty · 14-02-2018 7:22am

I don't see how any chemically produced drug could be described as safe when you've no idea what's gone in to it.

How is someone in a club supposed to get their pills tested before they pop them?

Lia_lia · 14-02-2018 10:47am

Big Nasty wrote: »

I don't see how any chemically produced drug could be described as safe when you've no idea what's gone in to it.

How is someone in a club supposed to get their pills tested before they pop them?

My Dad lived in Amsterdam in the 80’s and said that there would be stands at raves/gigs/clubs where you could get your pills tested. Unfortunately something like that would never happen here!

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 10:59am

Big Nasty wrote: »

I don't see how any chemically produced drug could be described as safe when you've no idea what's gone in to it.

How is someone in a club supposed to get their pills tested before they pop them?

Paracetamol is "chemically produced", could you tell me what goes into that? I doubt it.

I'm being facetious obviously, I understand what you're saying - in answer to your question, reagent testing kits are cheap and widely available online from a number of various sources.
https://www.reagent-tests.uk/product/mdma-reagent-test-kit/

You scrape off a tiny bit of your pill/powder and add the relevant reagent which undergo a chemical reaction to change colour based on the chemical structures of what is present. If adulterants e.g. PMA are present this will be revealed by a different colour change.

So ideally you'd be getting your stuff and testing it beforehand as opposed to buying off some randomer in the club. If that isn't feasible they have disposable one-use kits that are dead easy to use and come in a small vial which you could bring to the club to test in there.

It's obviously not realistic to expect everybody to be doing this but if even ~20% of people were doing it you'd see a big drop off in dangerous additives; as soon as a dealer is outed by 1 person as selling adulterated pills they'll lose all of their business (and would more than likely have some not-too-happy previous customers seeking a word).

Finally it is becoming more common in the Netherlands and UK for organisers of events/clubs to provide facilities to test people's drugs for them.
I think it's just being mature and recognising that their patrons are going to be doing the drugs anyway and this improves the safety of that.
https://www.shortlist.com/news/drug-testing-uk-cities/345294
(A death in their club looks a lot worse to my eye anyway).

Stab*City · 14-02-2018 11:44am

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

D8 is a very cool spot if you're into the scene - I'll echo another poster however in that the crowd's been a bit young the last couple of time's I've gone. Suppose it depends on who's on.

In general I'll disagree with a lot of what's been said of the current state of the scene - I'm 23 and all I'll say is ecstasy use is exploding in the youth bracket. People I know that generally wouldn't have been seen even touching a joint are now double dropping three days in a row at the likes of Electric picnic.

This is where the problems start - drug education in this country amounts to "don't do that you'll die"; and just like preaching abstinence as the only option in sex ed classes people overwhelmingly ignore it.
Problem is nobody has a clue about harm reduction; I'm a pharmacologist so I'd know better than most at my age but honestly the amount of disinformation going around is staggering.
MDMA is a very safe drug if used correctly and can be an absolutely incredible experience...life changing I'd say even - but in my experience almost nobody knows how to treat it with the proper respect. Routinely hear of people (generally in the context of festivals) ingesting dangerous amounts and often in tandem with ketamine, drink and cocaine (which the eejits don't realise actually physically stops the MDMA high).

It baffles me that people ever take drugs without having researching them thoroughly beforehand but it'd be naive of me to expect the youth at large to behave in a reasonably responsible manner. I'd advocate including harm reduction classes as part of the SPHE curriculum for the seniour cycle but of course there'd be war from the small minded folk who'd see it as condoning use of "dangerous" drugs which they invariably know nothing about and have never tried while they drink their glass of wine oblivious to the irony.

What these people don't realise is that people are going to do the drugs anyway - it's the ignorance of proper usage that makes many of them dangerous in the first place. Near to 100% of deaths from "MDMA" for example would be entirely avoidable if people knew about the importance of testing your stuff, taking breaks from dancing to prevent overheating etc etc.

For those of you interested in learning about harm reduction wrt ectasy use: https://rollsafe.org

Never stop dancing the night away folks, but be safe.

All fairly true really, I've had stuff tested at clubs before and it showed up as not what it was meant to be. Did i care? F**k no! At the end of the day i was there to get wreaked and have a good night not have a chemistry lesson. Looking back now i probably shouldn't have taken half the stuff i did. I'd imagine a high percentage of the stuff was not 100% what it was sold as.

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 3:57pm

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

14-02-2018 4:15pm

Stab*City wrote: »

No the one and only difference between late 80's early 90's were the yokes. For a period there from 88/89-92/93 and maybe a bit later there was certain types of E that really did change scumbags into friends. Although when people came down the following few days it was business as usual. These pills (Snowballs, Mad Bastards, Rhubarb&Custard, The first White doves, Dennis the Menaces etc) were totally different to what came later. It really was a love buzz. I mean there will always be some who are just pure scum but trust me i seen enemies turn into friends over night after a snowball. And they simply don't make E like that anymore or even after 94-95. Some people say the doves of the mid-late 90's were similar and they were but were not a patch on what came before them.

Yes but the big difference back then was the emergence of Dance Music. It was like nothing heard before and that mixed with the love buzz created a vibe that was magical. Right place right time comes to mind. Im sure the original summer of love was similar but ours was more full on and alot stronger.

I went to my first rave back in those days, from there i started djing, since i have become involved in the scene heavily. I gave up drugs and drink years ago but my last rave was a couple months back (although these days they are in much trendier surroundings) I cant remember a thing from 90-2008 but i can remember everything since. These days i enjoy the clubs/events for the music as opposed to the buzz. Its different but still enjoyable.

Sir Henrys, Theatre Royal, Prodigy in the point 1992, Club UK, Fantasia, Tribal Gathering Uk, Creamfields, The System, The Asylum, Sex Kitchen, La Locomotive Paris, My Gaff all to name but a few. I loved every minute.

By the way the E was so good that if you handed me an original snowball right now id drop it right here at my corporate desk.

thebull85 wrote: »

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

Yeah all the studies and analysis shows pill strength going up and up. MDMA is as cheap now as it's ever been and apparently there's no scag off it.

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 5:49pm

thebull85 wrote: »

MDMA has been my go to for years now, but from what im hearing from some friends the pills that around now are the strongest that have been around in years.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah all the studies and analysis shows pill strength going up and up. MDMA is as cheap now as it's ever been and apparently there's no scag off it.

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 5:53pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

Damn right its not true haha if anything i think i skag more on the MDMA than the pills, the MDMA also seems to make me drift off into me own little world more than pills.

Although i do take a fair amount of it haha

Big Nasty · 14-02-2018 5:57pm

Skag?

14-02-2018 6:02pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

A common misconception - pills are MDMA - just a different form. I often hear of people referring to the crystals as MDMA as if it's somehow different. Granted pills are slightly more likely to be adulterated but if they're clean pills there's no difference. You're right about the strength of pills always going up however.

The idea of no skag off the crystals also isn't true.

Do tell me more, hold on til I make a cup of cocoa.

Pills are pills. They're supposed to be MDMA. However the amount of MDMA (and the other nice stuff made incidentally in the production process) will vary wildly. There have been pills with little-to-no scag and some that if mixed with drink are the devil the next day.
MDMA as far as I know, ahem, tends to be much, much cleaner and predictable. I know a few people who can use it as a hangover prevention such is its loveliness.

14-02-2018 6:03pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Skag?

Horrible, awful comedown.

Ferris_Bueller · 14-02-2018 7:36pm

Definitely a sense of "back in my day" about raves, just look at the comments on any 90s dance tune on youtube! I think over the years they have definitely changed and evolved but there will always be something similar going on, even at the moment I'd say there is more stuff like this going on than some of the old schoolers might think.

Over time things have become so much more accessible and social media has played a big part too, if someone is at a party or a rave now someone will put it on social media and word will get out - slowly but surely in the following weeks more 'blow ins' will come in and the initial one will be a distant memory. If someone was organising a rave now they would have to be even more secretive than 20 years ago as it could so easily become public knowledge in this day and age.

Widdershins · 14-02-2018 7:59pm

I was at one in 2001. or 03 or 05

Probably one of the youngest if not the youngest person there. Converted horse lorries and ambulances going up the road to it for days. People found lost, staggering, dehydrated and bewildered in the hills for .. possibly weeks afterwards.

I think the last of the crusties/hippies are too old and sedate for it now and nobody has the will to start it up.

It's the thing of doing something different in that kind of location. Out in the middle of nowhere.

Wibbs wrote: »

With others I may have helped organised a couple of "happenings" in my time way back in the day™ and M's take hits a bit close to the bone. Oh yeah and yippers for all. Dance/chew/hug/grind.

In a valley below a mountain?

johnnyskeleton · 14-02-2018 8:49pm

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

4mins in, the Detective Garda in the Drugs Squad. Driving around in a fur coat! Fooling no one!

The Pheasant2 · 14-02-2018 10:05pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Skag?

The results of serotonin depletion following a night of heavy MDMA use combined with general malaise from dehydration and staying up all night dancing and chatting.

It can be quite severe but is generally easily avoided by taking decent sized breaks (a couple of months or so) between usages and not overdoing it when you do.

Furthermore there are certain vitamins/supplements you can take before, during and after use not only to potentiate your buzz but also to ablate the skag...Don't know why a lot more people don't do that!

thebull85 · 14-02-2018 10:27pm

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

NoviGlitzko · 14-02-2018 10:57pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

Say it's just the standard 'your body gets used to them'. It's crazy how much difference there is though from one night to the following.

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 1:47am

thebull85 wrote: »

Anyone know why it is that the pills wont work two nights in a row? Is it something to do with the seratonin depletion?

Bingo. Your serotonin levels are more or less crashed after a night on it and take a few days at least to return to baseline. Ideally you really should be taking at least a months break after each use - MDMA is a very safe drug done properly but sustained usage over short periods can have deleterious effects on your memory and cause eventual desensitization of serotonin receptors i.e. it is physically more difficult for your brain to create feelings of happiness in response to the relevant stimuli.

beertons · 15-02-2018 9:34am

A month? Ha.

Stab*City · 15-02-2018 11:08am

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Furthermore there are certain vitamins/supplements you can take before, during and after use not only to potentiate your buzz but also to ablate the skag...Don't know why a lot more people don't do that!

Such as? Share the knowledge!

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 11:47am

Stab*City wrote: »

Such as? Share the knowledge!

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days

.

Stab*City · 15-02-2018 2:05pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

Now that's some helpful sh*t!! Good man. Wish i knew this when it mattered to me personally but all good!!

kumate_champ07 · 15-02-2018 2:16pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

higher concentrations of mdma? its not clear if this is advising to take a larger quantity(which is not a good idea) , grapefruit juice allows certain drugs to stay in the body longer, magnifying their effect.

Mister Vain · 15-02-2018 2:25pm

Trust boards to turn a thread about raves into a chemistry class.

draiochtanois · 15-02-2018 2:30pm

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gargargar · 15-02-2018 2:47pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during
- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin productio.

.... or just buy a bag of cans on Sunday.

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 3:18pm

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

higher concentrations of mdma? its not clear if this is advising to take a larger quantity(which is not a good idea) , grapefruit juice allows certain drugs to stay in the body longer, magnifying their effect.

Yep, if less MDMA is being metabolised, the synaptic concentrations thereof will be higher by extension (than what they would have been without grapefruit juice).

begbysback · 15-02-2018 8:09pm

badboyblast · 15-02-2018 8:35pm

Did you hear about the dyslexic raver .???..... He took an M .

Lekrub · 15-02-2018 9:15pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Mkay so some of this proven and some anecdotal (can't hurt however):

The primary neurotoxic effect of MDMA results from oxidation in the brain - how to prevent this? Antioxidants. (All the following supplements etc are available at health food shops/online)

- Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA), is an important one. Take 300mg with your MDMA and then every couple of hours during your high.
- Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), take 500mg ~3hrs prior to dropping, once during (say an hour after dropping)
-Vitamin C, have 500mg about 3 hours prior and then every 3hrs during

Then the others:

- Magnesium glycinate (stops jaw clenching) take 200mg and then as required...(maybe bring a lollipop too just in case :P )
- Grapefruit juice, yep it's a CYP450 (enzyme involved in drug metabolism) inhibitor, reduces the metabolism of MDMA to MDA in the brain thereby allowing for higher concentrations of MDMA to exert more effect. Drink a couple of glasses the day before and then a couple the day of.
- Drink some water mixed with electrolytes e.g dioralyte or drink lucozade/Gatorade during to prevent dehydration and hyponatremia (which can actually be fatal to some during MDMA use, women in particular are at risk of this).
- After you get home have some melatonin (5-9mg) it will help you get to sleep and is a precursor for serotonin production.

There are many others but I just outlined the main ones - it seems a bit of an effort granted, but I really would recommend trying it at least once. All my friends that have have never gone back. Better buzz, no skag at all - the opposite even, you'll be walking around with a lovely afterglow for a couple of days .

You gotta start selling a pre-made box of all this stuff. You'll make a ton!

The Pheasant2 · 15-02-2018 11:46pm

Lekrub wrote: »

You gotta start selling a pre-made box of all this stuff. You'll make a ton!

*Files under "money-making schemes*

Haha believe it or not they already exist; think you've to order em online and they're meant to be fairly pricy.

If I could produce an all-in-one whacktastic anti skag pill, incorporating all if the above into a single tablet though...now that's where the cash would be...

*Puts on white coat*
TO THE LABORATORY!

Cee-Jay-Cee · 16-02-2018 12:46am

Lorelli! wrote: »

What actually is a Rave? I think the school disco may have been the closest thing to a rave I've been too :pac: unless you count outdoor concerts!

I know everyone "hates" Maniac but that's what they played. I don't mind it

Maniac was not a rave/techno song, it was a shíte attempt at it and failed miserably probably because (a) it was utter shíte (b) McCabe is utter shíte (c) the rave scene had died by the time shíteface McCabe put together his shíte attempt at techno/rave music.

Are Am Eye · 16-02-2018 1:14am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jePEfkNq5k

Are Am Eye · 16-02-2018 1:18am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INFty4xfAr8

Raves

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