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CONSTRUCTION LOCKDOWN JAN 2021

  • 06-01-2021 6:10pm
    #1
    Subscribers Posts: 41,822 ✭✭✭✭


    Before we get a raft of questions on here about what can and cannot take place within this lockdown, due to start at 6pm on Friday 08th January to (currently) the "remainder of January"

    Construction

    Construction will close from 6pm on Friday 8 January, with limited exceptions including:

    1. essential health and related projects including those relevant to preventing, limiting, minimising or slowing the spread of COVID-19
    2. social housing projects, including voids, designated as essential sites by Local Authorities based on set criteria
    3. housing adaptation grants where the homeowner is agreeable to adaptions being undertaken in their home
    4.repair, maintenance and construction of critical transport and utility infrastructure
    5. education facilities sites designated as essential by Department of Education
    6. supply and delivery of essential or emergency maintenance and repair services to businesses and places of residence (including electrical, gas, plumbing, glazing and roofing services) on an emergency call-out basis
    certain large construction projects in the exporting / FDI sector based on set criteria

    for the vast majority of users on here it means that on site construction is supposed to cease for the duration of the lockdown.

    House adaptation grant works can continue for those who it is applicable.

    Essential maintenance and repair work is also allowed on a call out basis.

    stay safe people and lets all cop the fcuk on and batten down the hatches for the rest of the month.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    ..
    stay safe people and lets all cop the fcuk on and batten down the hatches for the rest of the month.

    My sentiments entirely, more time for responding to " can I build a log cabin in me grannies caravan" posts
    :D

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81


    We’ve been told staying open. Hyper scale data centre project. Just heard there now.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,822 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    eggy81 wrote: »
    We’ve been told staying open. Hyper scale data centre project. Just heard there now.

    critical utility infrastructural project I would think.... and im sure there will be pretty strict covid regulations on a site such as that


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Lantern Jaw


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    critical utility infrastructural project I would think.... and im sure there will be pretty strict covid regulations on a site such as that

    Anyone know about sisk site in grangegorman?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    critical utility infrastructural project I would think.... and im sure there will be pretty strict covid regulations on a site such as that

    Very strict. Even wearing trackers now after Christmas to detect close contacts and enforce social distancing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    Can construction data centres stay open???


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    Houses classified as nearly finished are also allowed to finish. How do you define that we will never know. I am about 1 week away from moving into my new house and i be getting plumber and electrician in to finish the necessary jobs. Otherwise i dont have anywhere to live after next week. Im sick of this ****€ now to be honest. I see this as essential.


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Are all building providers/plumbing/tile suppliers to close?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Iguarantee


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    critical utility infrastructural project I would think.... and im sure there will be pretty strict covid regulations on a site such as that

    Having worked in construction (as many of you may have) all I can say is: “critical” my bollocks.

    The terms essential, critical and frontline have been bandied about with such disregard that they are meaningless at this stage. How is a data centre, that may not even reach PC stage for another year or two, deemed critical?

    I’m glad people can stay in work, that is critical, I wouldn’t say a data centre is critical unless it’s calculating how to get out of a pandemic!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Iguarantee wrote: »
    Having worked in construction (as many of you may have) all I can say is: “critical” my bollocks.

    The terms essential, critical and frontline have been bandied about with such disregard that they are meaningless at this stage. How is a data centre, that may not even reach PC stage for another year or two, deemed critical?

    I’m glad people can stay in work, that is critical, I wouldn’t say a data centre is critical unless it’s calculating how to get out of a pandemic!

    May be critical for FDI and direct employment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Rumours that they may have jumped the gun now in telling us we are staying open. More meetings today I think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Anyone know if intel/fb sites are staying open?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    Working on a major data centre still no word yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭AndOne


    Friend in Amazon site in Blanchardstown received message "This site is deemed essential and will be open for the foreseeable future"

    I myself am on a different site which is not as far along and i'm yet to hear anything.

    It's a shambles they act like they care about your health and safety but when given the opportunity to fully take the risk away they'll argue its essential.

    Shambles government giving the contractors the choice basically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81


    We e been told it’s to be revised every week and could shut at a days notice. What does that even mean. Which is it like.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    eggy81 wrote: »
    We e been told it’s to be revised every week and could shut at a days notice. What does that even mean. Which is it like.

    How on earth does that even make sense. :-s


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭demakinz


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Anyone know if intel/fb sites are staying open?



    I heard that the Intel site will remain open. I don't work there myself but I know a few that do. People being bussed to the site and traveling from all over the country.

    Absolutely Ridiculous if it not safe enough to work on a site with 10 lads building a house if definitely not safe on one of the biggest sites in the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    CIF are trying to keep all the multinational sites open like intel and the data centres around the country. To be honest I would say construction will remain more than 50% open on Monday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    meath4sam wrote: »
    CIF are trying to keep all the multinational sites open like intel and the data centres around the country. To be honest I would say construction will remain more than 50% open on Monday.

    Intel has more than a thousand lads on it. There's no amount of safety that can stop it spreading with that amount of lads on a site.
    There's 30 if us on my site and we probably closing tomorrow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Intel has more than a thousand lads on it. There's no amount of safety that can stop it spreading with that amount of lads on a site.
    There's 30 if us on my site and we probably closing tomorrow.

    Very worrying. Have a family member there and the wife is stressed that it won't close and he'll bring it home to their family, one has an underlying condition. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Very worrying. Have a family member there and the wife is stressed that it won't close and he'll bring it home to their family, one has an underlying condition. :(

    Exactly mate. See the construction companies only care about the money. Not us. Bad enough we are at risk of our lives without the covid. Lads killed all the time on sites. Now we have t worry about catching covid. Lads coming from all over the country and abroad t work here like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Pinoy adventure


    The lads from Northern Ireland will still be traveling down every day too work on sites in Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    The lads from Northern Ireland will still be traveling down every day too work on sites in Dublin

    Yeah man. Shouldn't be allowed at all mate. Closing the sites is only thing ti do.
    Lads whose sites have closed will only go to another site that staying open


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    Facebook clonee
    Intel Leixlip
    Amazon Belgrade Road
    Children's hospital (90% sure)

    All these will be staying open.
    Worked on them all and intel is the worst, no temp checks entering site, 100-200 lads at any given time in drying rooms at same time. No covid compliance officers (from main builder) checking on people grouping. Easily 50-60 lads bunched up in smoking areas. Lads being bused in from all over the country.
    In my opinion they will open next week but maybe not much longer if numbers stay high


  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭AndOne


    FixitFelix wrote: »
    Facebook clonee
    Intel Leixlip
    Amazon Belgrade Road
    Children's hospital (90% sure)

    All these will be staying open.
    Worked on them all and intel is the worst, no temp checks entering site, 100-200 lads at any given time in drying rooms at same time. No covid compliance officers (from main builder) checking on people grouping. Easily 50-60 lads bunched up in smoking areas. Lads being bused in from all over the country.
    In my opinion they will open next week but maybe not much longer if numbers stay high


    Amazon in PPK
    Coolock
    Blanch
    Belgard open

    Weekly tests.

    Should all be closed imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Lantern Jaw


    New DIT Sisk site staying open I believe. Already heaps of lads out with covid as well


  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭AndOne


    New DIT Sisk site staying open I believe. Already heaps of lads out with covid as well

    GrangeGorman?

    They can keep everything open realistically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    AndOne wrote: »
    GrangeGorman?

    They can keep everything open realistically.

    They shouldn't either we take it seriously or not. Cant be half in half out shíte lad


  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭AndOne


    They shouldn't either we take it seriously or not. Cant be half in half out shíte lad

    I agree, what I'm saying is the government have left it open to interpretations here for absolutely all sites to do as they please.

    Its a disgrace everyone should be striking.. Why should we be out mixing if they say its as serious as they are saying.

    I don't believe much of their rhetoric anymore tbh but they need to stick to a solid plan or let us live our lives again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    The teacher unions would not put up with this...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    With the government / Edu minister royally f'ing up with the plans for LC & SN students to return, construction sector seems to have gotten lost in the fray.

    And will large clusters at work sites even be caught and reported on. Could the spread even be stopped. The test and trace system is on it's knees and not functioning properly. Site managers will have to ensure safety now and quarantining of close contacts.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    this the construction & planning forum, if you want discuss Anything other Than Covid impacts to construction go elsewhere, thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Who isn't focusing on covid impacts to construction? Not sure who you are directing that at, if I'm being asked to go elsewhere.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,822 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Who isn't focusing on covid impacts to construction? Not sure who you are directing that at, if I'm being asked to go elsewhere.

    comments on teachers unions / dept of education decisions doesnt help the conversation here.

    the situations are not the same therefore comparing risks isnt helpful or useful.

    if the project is determined as critical or necessary and allowed to stay open, it obviously has to be in strict compliance with covid operating procedures

    https://cif.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/CIF-Covid-19-Operating-Procedure-Report.pdf

    the comment above about workers congregating in smoking areas is a prime example of how personal responsibility should be paramount in all this. Assess the situation and don't put yourself at additional risk.

    personally i can see a load of guys ending up being either close contacts of known positive cases and having to stay away from work, and also having standard winter cold / flu symptoms and also having to stay away from work as well. Contractors can do nothing about a guy who rings in to say he has to isolate for 14 days cos his *insert immediate family member* has tested positive.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    comments on teachers unions / dept of education decisions doesnt help the conversation here.

    the situations are not the same therefore comparing risks isnt helpful or useful.

    if the project is determined as critical or necessary and allowed to stay open, it obviously has to be in strict compliance with covid operating procedures

    https://cif.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/CIF-Covid-19-Operating-Procedure-Report.pdf

    the comment above about workers congregating in smoking areas is a prime example of how personal responsibility should be paramount in all this. Assess the situation and don't put yourself at additional risk.

    personally i can see a load of guys ending up being either close contacts of known positive cases and having to stay away from work, and also having standard winter cold / flu symptoms and also having to stay away from work as well. Contractors can do nothing about a guy who rings in to say he has to isolate for 14 days cos his *insert immediate family member* has tested positive.

    In fairness no one compared risks. It was pointed out that the teachers union stepped up to the plate, suggesting that construction workers deserve the same in light of the covid impacts and reality we're in. In my opinion it's worth mentioning as the goal of any union in this dangerous situation should be to ensure the health and safety of their members. Not just some unions, all unions. In the Construction sector that risk doesn't seem to have been mitigated in line with the governments stated goal- to stop people moving and cut transmission to protect our health service and people.

    I agree, good example with the smoking situation, that's ridiculous. How do people not know better themselves at this stage.

    Are foremans/line managers requiring proof of a positive close contact?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Who isn't focusing on covid impacts to construction? Not sure who you are directing that at, if I'm being asked to go elsewhere.

    If you have a problem with a mod direction, use the PM function. Please read the forum charter before posting again. Thanks

    For teachers union, or state of the government statements post here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1865



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭ZeroSum76


    Is there an official channel that someone can raise a query with, to determine whether or not a renovation and small extension job with a small family crew (2 people) can continue or not? Specifically with the question of clarification around 'nearly finished'.

    Apologies if this isn't the right forum but I called to the local Garda station to ask and they couldn't say one way or another. Their advice was 'if it's outside 5km for the builder it's an issue, they can chance it if they like but they might get turned around'. I understand it's not really their call but I appreciated their response all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    ZeroSum76 wrote: »
    Is there an official channel that someone can raise a query with, to determine whether or not a renovation and small extension job with a small family crew (2 people) can continue or not? Specifically with the question of clarification around 'nearly finished'.

    Apologies if this isn't the right forum but I called to the local Garda station to ask and they couldn't say one way or another. Their advice was 'if it's outside 5km for the builder it's an issue, they can chance it if they like but they might get turned around'. I understand it's not really their call but I appreciated their response all the same.

    My brother is in the same situation( kind of) he is currently building and extension with wheelchair access for elderly person. And I think you are OK if you are doing work for , elderly, vulnerable or people with medical issues. I'm nearly sure any of these works are permitted. But I stand to be corrected


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭Metric Tensor


    The legislation was published today. It answers the "nearly finished" question and clarifies the disability stuff is only for housing adaptation grant. The education stuff seems vague and I can't find reference to the foreign direct investment stuff. Here's an extract:
    Health Act 1947 (Section 31A – Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) (No. 10) (Amendment) Regulations 2021

    (2) Part 2 of the Schedule to the Principal Regulations is amended –

    (a) by the substitution of the following paragraph for paragraph 5:

    “Construction and development

    The following services relating to construction and development:

    (a) the construction or development of essential health and related projects, including those relevant to preventing, limiting, minimising or slowing the spread of Covid-19;

    (b) the construction or development of essential educational facilities at primary and post-primary level, including school building projects, which will provide additional capacity for students or involve essential maintenance or refurbishment works in support of the continued provision of education;

    (c) certain essential projects relating to the construction and development at Technological University Dublin Campus Grangegorman;

    (d) construction or development of social housing, whether contracted by, or on behalf of, a local authority or an approved housing body, (including those properties in a housing development that a local authority or approved housing body has agreed to lease, or where a developer has agreed to transfer ownership to a local authority or approved housing body or agreed the grant of a lease to a local authority in accordance with section 96(3) of the Planning and Development Act 2000 (No. 30 of 2000)) where –

    (i) the local authority, or the approved housing body concerned, confirms that the completion of the housing project is necessary to alleviate homelessness, overcrowding, the numbers in emergency or temporary accommodation and to facilitate transfers from emergency accommodation or other forms of social housing in order to prevent, limit, minimise or slow the spread of Covid-19,

    (ii) the project is funded, or has been approved for funding, in whole or in part, by the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, and

    (iii) the project is scheduled to be completed by the 28th day of February 2021;

    (e) essential works on vacant residential properties, owned or controlled by a local authority or an approved housing body, which are necessary to allow the property to be allocated to a household on the social housing waiting list, and which are scheduled to be completed by the 28th day of February 2021;

    (f) works of adaptation relating to a housing adaptation grant paid in accordance with Regulation 5 of the Housing (Adaptation Grants for Older People and People with a Disability) Regulations 2007 (S.I. No. 670 of 2007) where the person in respect of whom the grant is payable consents to such works of adaptation being undertaken in his or her home;

    (g) construction or development funded by the pyrite remediation scheme in accordance with the Pyrite Resolution Act 2013 (No. 51 of 2013) which are scheduled to be completed by the 31st day of January 2021 and where the completion of such construction or development is essential to prevent, limit, minimise or slow the spread of Covid-19;

    (h) the repair, maintenance and construction of critical transport and utility infrastructure;

    (i) the supply and delivery of essential or emergency maintenance and repair services to businesses and places of residence (including electrical, gas, oil, plumbing, glazing and roofing services) on an emergency call-out basis;

    (j) housing construction and completion works ongoing on the 8th day of January 2021 where such works are scheduled to be completed by the 31st day of January 2021 and will render the home under construction capable of occupation by that date;

    (k) construction and development projects necessary for the maintenance of supply chains in respect of services specified in subparagraphs (h) to (p) of paragraph 2 or information and communications specified in subparagraphs (c) and (d) of paragraph 9 but shall exclude general purpose facilities such as office accommodation and car parks;

    (l) construction and development projects that relate to the direct supply of medical products for Covid-19.”, and


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    The legislation was published today. It answers the "nearly finished" question and clarifies the disability stuff is only for housing adaptation grant. The education stuff seems vague and I can't find reference to the foreign direct investment stuff. Here's an extract:

    I wonder if that's been retracted now? Will some sites now have to close if so?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭Metric Tensor


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I wonder if that's been retracted now? Will some sites now have to close if so?

    Absolutely no idea. Blind leading the blind based on cabinet decisions that try to straddle public health concerns and PR concerns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I wonder if that's been retracted now? Will some sites now have to close if so?

    We’re open next week. Just told an hour ago.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 COS2020


    ZeroSum76 wrote: »
    Is there an official channel that someone can raise a query with, to determine whether or not a renovation and small extension job with a small family crew (2 people) can continue or not? Specifically with the question of clarification around 'nearly finished'.

    Apologies if this isn't the right forum but I called to the local Garda station to ask and they couldn't say one way or another. Their advice was 'if it's outside 5km for the builder it's an issue, they can chance it if they like but they might get turned around'. I understand it's not really their call but I appreciated their response all the same.

    We are in the same situation. Called Dept of Housing and got a very clear answer that we can continue as the project started before 8th of January and will finish before the 31st of January.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Building a house at the moment and they started putting up the rafters this week and will only have them partly up. But I'm getting my builder back next week to finish it (well put the battens and felt and make it secure) as we felt it was unsafe to leave it for the next few weeks open to the elements. Checked with my PSDP and engineer and they agreed. I don't want to take the piss but if we got a big storm the gables could blow over. Who knows how long we will be out for. I think there is scope out there for making structures safe.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    I have a about a weeks work to do in my house before I can move in. I have to get a stairs put in and electrician to finish some wiring in the house. I take it i can get this done as im am so close to moving in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Speakerboxx


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Building a house at the moment and they started putting up the rafters this week and will only have them partly up. But I'm getting my builder back next week to finish it (well put the battens and felt and make it secure) as we felt it was unsafe to leave it for the next few weeks open to the elements. Checked with my PSDP and engineer and they agreed. I don't want to take the piss but if we got a big storm the gables could blow over. Who knows how long we will be out for. I think there is scope out there for making structures safe.
    Some people will take the piss and work away right through the lockdown.


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭ZeroSum76


    Well - after talking with my builder, we've reluctantly decided we need to close up. We both wanted to plough on... but we really have no choice. No way we'd be finished by January 31st. Going to be homeless now in May as the landlord wants us out for holiday season - great :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    ZeroSum76 wrote: »
    Well - after talking with my builder, we've reluctantly decided we need to close up. We both wanted to plough on... but we really have no choice. No way we'd be finished by January 31st. Going to be homeless now in May as the landlord wants us out for holiday season - great :(

    :(

    What holiday season? Surely that's a massive assumption. How long have you lived there? I'm not sure a landlord can legally kick you out for that reason. Maybe contact the PRTB and check your rights?


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,822 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    :(

    What holiday season? Surely that's a massive assumption. How long have you lived there? I'm not sure a landlord can legally kick you out for that reason. Maybe contact the PRTB and check your rights?

    Eviction ban runs up until the end of April (currently)

    Agreed about "holiday season".... It's highly unlikely for there to be any demand for holiday letting in May.
    They landlord may be very grateful of a steady rent until the country fully opens again, which is very unlikely before Q3 2021


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Who ultimately makes the call for a site to remain open. Was on site Thursday last and foreman said they were considered essential by the client (new water testing lab in Cork) but his CIF representative told him they are not essential. Nothing Covid related in testing. Commercial lab. Site due for completion by 22nd January coming. Who rules the roost on this situation ?


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