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Your favourite unsolved mystery?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    oneilla wrote: »
    Barry Cummins' book Missing

    Available on Audible which is cool, have downloaded it now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Ireland's version of Jimmy Hoffa, what happened to Robert Nairac's body after he was murdered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    They have solved another of the cyphers left by the Zodiac Killer. Unfortunately not the one that contains his name

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php

    Doesn’t give us much new information though. :(
    punchdrunk wrote: »
    So many have tried for so long thinking this would crack the case- sadly not but still an amazing feat!

    It does give a disturbing insight into his mindset of collecting victims as slaves for the afterlife though.


    http://zodiackillerfacts.com/news-and-updates/breaking-news-the-zodiacs-340-cipher-has-been-solved/

    The BTK killer used to go on about that too, afterlife slaves. Creeps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Doesn’t give us much new information though. :(



    The BTK killer used to go on about that too, afterlife slaves. Creeps.

    Sounds very similar to the virgins in the afterlife that islamic suicide bombers go on about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Sounds very similar to the virgins in the afterlife that islamic suicide bombers go on about.

    So... you know the way Irish Catholicism has a bunch of weirdness that isn't officially preached or on paper or Vatican approved and just sort of floats around as kind of fringe local folklore, like somebody Having The Cure and giving it to you with the right prayers or whatever?

    The idea of having slaves in the afterlife, and sometimes specifically ones that you've killed in your lifetime, is something I've heard more than once associated with fringe/former/weirdo offshoot Mormons. Doesn't have any doctrinal basis that I'm aware of apart from one woman who was adopted as an "eternal" slave by the Smiths, Mormonism seeming to allow for the concept of somebody being a slave forever, and the idea of getting to be "God like" in the afterlife, interpreted by some fringer areas as getting to rule your own "sphere".

    EDIT -

    I see I'm not the only person who has heard of something like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Didn't the Norse or Vikings kill/sacrifice slaves and others so that they could help them in valhalla or their versions of heaven?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭DoozerT6


    What happened to the Roanoake colonists?


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭FishHook


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    What happened to the Roanoake colonists?

    I think this one was pretty much solved. It is thought that they moved to a neighbouring island/area. The name of the place was carved on a tree where the settlers had been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    I recently stumbled across this old case. Who killed Harry Oakes?

    Harry Oakes was an American who made his fortune in a gold mine and then moved to the Bahamas. This is back in 1935. He helped expand the Bahamas using his wealth and all seemed good.

    Then in 1943 he was killed with an ice pick. A miners hand pick was used to hit him behind the ear to disguise the ice pick wound. Then his body burned with insecticide and then the body sprinkled with feathers from a mattress!!

    Just at that time his daughter had eloped with Count Alfred De Marigny. So they thought he did it but his daughter stood by him. Because it was the middle of WW2 Scotland Yard detectives would be difficult to bring over. So they brought 2 American detectives from Miami. They forgot their own fingerprint kits so had to use the locals. They took over the case when they were only meant to help the locals and supposedly found a fingerprint of Count Alfred at the scene. Later it was found that they used his print from a glass of water when they were questioning him!

    Even though everyone thought Alfred did it, he was acquitted as the detectives fabricated evidence. The jury said that he was an "unsavoury character" though and he got deported after the trial!

    So who did it? There have been a load of books written about it. Some saying Alfred did indeed do it and Alfred himself wrote a book on it. One of the most recent ones was one saying it was a local conspiracy as Oakes was going to leave and take his money. Then this would cripple the Bahamas and people there had to do something to keep his money there.

    The Wikipedia page about it is here. It is fascinating stuff!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Oakes#Murder


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    This may be the greatest unsolved mystery ever!! :pac:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    About 200 pages ago I mentioned flight MH370.

    Time to bring it up again.

    Yes there are several theories, but nobody is 100% sure exactly what happened to that flight. Pilot suicide, possibly? Hijacking gone wrong, possibly? Sabotage, possibly? Cockpit depressurisation, possibly? Fire in the cargo bay, possibly?

    Big mystery.

    Cockpit depressurization, lack of oxygen i think probably right, but a guess.. Pilots maybe feel asleep after it? End of plane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Chicago Tylenol murders


    The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

    No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,792 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Cockpit depressurization, lack of oxygen i think probably right, but a guess.. Pilots maybe feel asleep after it? End of plane.

    With depressurization the cockpit will get a warning that something is going amiss with the pressure. Masks too should deploy in the cabin automatically... they are not deployed automatically in the cockpit the crew need to get and put on but they are beside them literally... that’s why it’s so weird.... nothing about that accident if it indeed was one, makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭firefly08


    Strumms wrote: »
    With depressurization the cockpit will get a warning that something is going amiss with the pressure. Masks too should deploy in the cabin automatically... they are not deployed automatically in the cockpit the crew need to get and put on but they are beside them literally... that’s why it’s so weird.... nothing about that accident if it indeed was one, makes sense.


    Not to mention the maneuvers the plane made to go off course, and the transponder being turned off - it didn't do those things by itself while the pilots fell asleep. Someone had to do it on purpose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    JFK Assassination


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Chicago Tylenol murders


    The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

    No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

    According to Wiki, court documents say that they believe that the guy who tried to exhort Johnson and Johnson really was the guy who did it but that they just didn’t have enough evidence to charge him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Chicago Tylenol murders


    The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

    No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

    At least they had no more headaches...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Chicago Tylenol murders
    The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.
    No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

    Acetaminophen is the yanks name for paracetamol.
    Some of the copycat murders involved vitamin pills.

    I was curious how the meds were tampered with... I guess this is why we now have packaging that makes it obvious it was interfered with.

    Wiki says
    The source was most likely supermarkets and drug stores, over a period of several weeks, with the culprit likely adding the cyanide to the capsules, then methodically returning to the stores to place the bottles back on the shelves.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Oldtree wrote: »
    Were Arthur c Clarke's crystal skulls really made in ancient times. Always wanted one.

    This was my fav mystery - the level of technology and the amount of trees it would have taken to melt and shape the glass was above anything they could have produced - I saw the Arthur C Clarke one once displayed in the British Museum. Featured of course in an Indianna Jones movie....

    Its gone from the Museum now - they discovered tiny tool cut marks that indicated it was finished on a fairly modern cutting wheel - so, fake unfortunately, all of them. Good to know though.

    “Roll it back”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    JFK Assassination

    Solved 57 years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Peter Bergman remains my favourite unsolved mystery. Can't get my head around it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The Nal wrote: »
    Solved 57 years ago

    ‘Mythbusters’ did a piece about it and proved it was well within Oswald’s abilities to get off 3 shots in that timeframe.

    Always strikes me as odd that Oswald’s links to a previous assassination “attempt” of an army general rarely gets mentioned.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    ‘Mythbusters’ did a piece about it and proved it was well within Oswald’s abilities to get off 3 shots in that timeframe.

    Always strikes me as odd that Oswald’s links to a previous assassination “attempt” of an army general rarely gets mentioned.

    Because it reinforces his motive which doesn't suit the conspiracy theorist narrative. Unfortunately about 95% of books and writing on the subject are pro conspiracy and they've ruined it as a case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 minisue


    Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

    As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kendra Zealous Cheddar


    minisue wrote: »
    Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

    It really is fascinating. I went down that rabbit hole a while back and it's a right mind-bender.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 minisue


    OMG thanks - I haven't seen that one.



    Must take a look. the whole story is fascinating and annoying all at once.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    minisue wrote: »
    Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

    As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.

    Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.

    But did he murder Jill Dando?

    That's the unsolved mystery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Acetaminophen is the yanks name for paracetamol.
    Some of the copycat murders involved vitamin pills.

    I was curious how the meds were tampered with... I guess this is why we now have packaging that makes it obvious it was interfered with.

    Wiki says
    The source was most likely supermarkets and drug stores, over a period of several weeks, with the culprit likely adding the cyanide to the capsules, then methodically returning to the stores to place the bottles back on the shelves.

    I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:

    Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,792 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The Nal wrote: »
    I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.


    It’s seriously interesting... the fact that they’ve had so many potential suspects but never anywhere near getting their man or having as far as we know, a genuine suspect ...i first read about the story online about 15 years ago and it blew my mind... really intriguing... and frustrating.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Joe Don Dante


    Ireland's version of Jimmy Hoffa, what happened to Robert Nairac's body after he was murdered.

    cut up and put through a mincer .


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:

    Interesting!

    Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.

    the cotton was to stop the tablets rattling around in the bottle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    But did he murder Jill Dando?

    That's the unsolved mystery.

    Wouldnt rule him out.
    Resembles suspect seen acting suspiciously just before murder.
    Obsession with guns. Photo of him posing with pistol.
    Very unhealthy obsession with female celebrities.
    Lived nearby.
    Gunshot residue in coat pocket.
    Suspicious behaviour following murder.
    History of weird stalkerish behaviour.

    No hard evidence however to tie him to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    The Nal wrote: »
    I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

    Downloaded that to watch tonight. Came across the following recently as well - another in a million theories of course but I have to say the guy makes a very persuasive argument as to how the skyjacking possibly took place - he doesn't identify a suspect but makes a good case that it was probably an active duty US overseas arms forces member - and that he didn't parachute out where is commonly believed:
    https://retiredinvestigator.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/updated-ii-db-cooper-step-out-of-the-shadow-spring-2019.pdf

    Short read - 13 pages or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.

    Thanks, mrsdewinter. Very interesting. Were the lids sealed or could you open the bottles with no signs of tampering afterwards?
    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Interesting!

    Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?

    Yeah, some meds are still available in capsule form. Paracetamol seems to not be though. From a look at my extensive medications collection, only one tablet is in capsule form, a painkiller that is designed to be fast acting. Maybe the capsule format is digested quicker and so hits the bloodstream faster? That particular medication is very strictly controlled though. Not a pick up off the shelf type one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Thepillowman


    Monolake wrote: »
    My favourite unsolved mystery is a personal one. A friend and I, both aged about 15 at the time and star watching on a summer night, saw a bright light in the sky moving in very definite triangular shapes and bolting around at a rapid speed. Then it stopped, flashed twice and accelerated away in a straight line at what looked like, from the ground at least, an absolutely astonishing pace.

    I am the most cynical and sceptical person imaginable. If it can't be examined, measured or otherwise verified then I don't believe in it. And yet we both saw the same thing that night and to this day, nearly 25 years later, I can't even muster up a layman's explanation of what it was, except that it was definitely, in its most literal sense, an unidentified flying object.

    Just catching up on the thread seen something very similar in April of 93.Still can't explain it.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    the cotton was to stop the tablets rattling around in the bottle.
    And to absorb excess moisture. Now they often use silica gel, either in sachets or stuck under the lid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    The khaman daban incident.

    It bears resemblance to the dyatlov pass incident


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah, some meds are still available in capsule form. Paracetamol seems to not be though. From a look at my extensive medications collection, only one tablet is in capsule form, a painkiller that is designed to be fast acting. Maybe the capsule format is digested quicker and so hits the bloodstream faster? That particular medication is very strictly controlled though. Not a pick up off the shelf type one.

    I'm sure I got paracetamol in capsule form in Sainsburys own brand in recent years.
    https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/toiletries-health-essentials/sainsburys-paracetamol-capsules-x16

    In 'blister' packs though so tampering should be obvious.

    Also, Lemsip Cough and Cold pills are capsules.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    usingscience.jpg

    Using science to explore a 60-year-old Russian mystery, the Dyatlov Pass incident
    On the night of the tragedy, one of the most important contributing factors was the presence of katabatic winds—i.e., winds that carry air down a slope under the force of gravity. These winds could have transported the snow, which would have then accumulated uphill from the tent due to a specific feature of the terrain that the team members were unaware of. "If they hadn't made a cut in the slope, nothing would have happened. That was the initial trigger, but that alone wouldn't have been enough. The katabatic wind probably drifted the snow and allowed an extra load to build up slowly. At a certain point, a crack could have formed and propagated, causing the snow slab to release," says Puzrin.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was just reading about otto warmbier recently,

    American student went to North Korea for new year 2016

    was sentenced to 15 years hard labour about March 16...states got him back June 17 but he was in a persistent vegetative state (which parents only found out when he landed in USA)
    I suppose not really a mystery as such given what n. Koreans would be capable of (they said it was botulism from a sleeping pill) but no one will ever find out what exactly happened to him after his sentencing in March 2016...


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    aaronc182 wrote: »
    Was just reading about otto warmbier recently,

    American student went to North Korea for new year 2016

    was sentenced to 15 years hard labour about March 16...states got him back June 17 but he was in a persistent vegetative state (which parents only found out when he landed in USA)
    I suppose not really a mystery as such given what n. Koreans would be capable of (they said it was botulism from a sleeping pill) but no one will ever find out what exactly happened to him after his sentencing in March 2016...

    Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    dubstarr wrote:
    Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.

    Many folks have gone, and have returned safely, I'd like to go myself


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    dubstarr wrote: »
    Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.

    There’s companies that run tours from China...but as an American it was madness to go given how Anti American they are..I think the states have banned citizens from travelling there now as a result


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    aaronc182 wrote: »
    There’s companies that run tours from China...but as an American it was madness to go given how Anti American they are..I think the states have banned citizens from travelling there now as a result

    His real problem was that he gave them an excuse to arrest him.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    His real problem was that he gave them an excuse to arrest him.

    Yeah that was madness trying to take that poster. Did he not realise how serious they take that stuff
    what was going through his head to do that but I suppose he was bit drunk as well...maybe was having good time and felt relaxed being there ....its not the sort of holiday where you can let your guard down


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