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17-05-2019, 13:17   #61
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Ya twas only a foetus after all
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My own fault for clicking into the thread.

But the lack of empathy to the parents who actively wanted a child and have lost it due to medical negligence, the "told you so" comments about how this was to be expected to happen. That the parents have no right to complain about this.

Its actually disgusting some of the comments on here. They show a real sense of being glad to see this happened so they can get on their moral high horse again, regardless of facts that the 8th would have made little or no difference here. Point scoring over a couple having an abortion on what was actually a healthy baby.

Meanwhile a couple are grieving over a lost pregnancy they clearly wanted.
The master of the Rotunda was on th raido this morning its unlikely to be medical negligence no test is perfect there is alway a small marging of error that is why they do more than one test they can do up to 3 tests yet it still will not be a certainty Yeah some of the comment here are really odd.

It is a bit worring that people do not seem to understand this.

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17-05-2019, 13:25   #63
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The master of the Rotunda was on th raido this morning its unlikely to be medical negligence no test is perfect there is alway a small marging of error that is why they do more than one test they can do up to 3 tests yet it still will not be a certititanty. Yeah some of the comment here are really odd.

It is a bit worring that people do not seem to understand this.
Very "worring"
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Why do you say the eighth would have made no difference here.
They would have got the same diagnosis, they would have still decided on abortion, they would have had to travel to the UK for it. The end result would have still been the same.
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17-05-2019, 13:27   #65
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Wow pro life people seem really happy about the death of a foetus. That's not very Christian.
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The master of the Rotunda was on th raido this morning its unlikely to be medical negligence no test is perfect there is alway a small marging of error that is why they do more than one test they can do up to 3 tests yet it still will not be a certititanty. Yeah some of the comment here are really odd.

It is a bit worring that people do not seem to understand this.
Not often ive agreed with you in the past on range of issues , but this is 100% accurate.

There is no such thing as a foolproof test.

The courts are making an absolute balls of the Cancer Issues presently. And this case here may be similar.

People can only act on the information at hand. And it has to be accepted by everyone that medical tests give best known results, but in the world of genetics and medicines there is no 100%.

If we cant accept those facts then the whole system just collapses.
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The master of the Rotunda was on th raido this morning its unlikely to be medical negligence no test is perfect there is alway a small marging of error that is why they do more than one test they can do up to 3 tests yet it still will not be a certititanty. Yeah some of the comment here are really odd.

It is a bit worring that people do not seem to understand this.
In fairness, what's more "worrying" is a doctor being asked for legal advice on national radio.

The same thing happened recently with TV and radio doctors completely misunderstanding that the "absolute confidence" test for screening is not referring to scientific absolute confidence. As you'd expect, it's a legal measurement.

I don't think anybody thinks this isn't going to end up before the courts, nor should anyone be surprised by the comments of the Master of the Rotunda.

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RIP to the little baby and my thoughts are with the parents. Hopefully they can recover from this tragedy.
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In fairness, what's more "worrying" is a doctor being asked for legal advice on national radio.

The same thing happened recently with TV and radio doctors completely misunderstanding that the "absolute confidence" test for screening is not referring to scientific absolute confidence. As you'd expect, it's a legal measurement.

I don't think anybody doubts this isn't going to end up before the courts, nor should anyone be surprised by the comments of the Master of the Rotunda.
He was not asked for a legal opnion.
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Considering that there is no time restriction for time on a termination for FFA they (whoever 'they' are... the doctors, the parents) they really jumped the gun by not waiting on diagnostic test results to come back rather than relying on screening tests.
I get the quicker is better mentality, but only, like you say, if the certainty isn't compromised.

It would be nice if people didn't jump on the **** the parents bandwagon.
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if we expect 100% successful medical diagnoses on pain of legal action we are quickly going to have no health service.
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Sad case, of course they'll now be multi millionaires and hopefully use that wealth to bring attention to this case and in doing so save others from the same faith of losing a perfectly healthy child.
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Wow pro life people seem really happy about the death of a foetus. That's not very Christian.
This has been said a few times now and I strongly object to it. It's the very same as saying pro repeal people were absolutely delighted by Savita 's death as a means of giving weight to their cause. Both of these cases, on opposite ends of the spectrum, are dreadful and no one, but no one takes delight in either case.
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I support abortion.

But i'm curious, in this instance if the 8th hadn't been changed would the baby have been aborted (in Ireland)?

What are the facts? without getting emotive over what has happened here please.
You mean would it have been covered by POLDPA? I’m not sure, anyone know?
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Sad case, of course they'll now be multi millionaires and hopefully use that wealth to bring attention to this case and in doing so save others from the same faith of losing a perfectly healthy child.
multi millionaires? How is that going to happen?
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