Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Tenger · 20-04-2015 11:22pm

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

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€10,000 a space, spread over 360 days, is about €28 a day for one year.

.........To put a context on that, the maximum daily charge for short-term parking at Dublin Airport is €40.[/URL]

I suspect they'll recoup the investment pretty quickly.

Looks like monopolised carparking is just as profitable as aircraft leasing and parts!!!

18MonthsaSlave · 20-04-2015 11:22pm

buildcost for entire project in not valid. It is a project that was paused at a particular storey and then continued later.
when will the make it back quickly? 2nd week Jan thru start of June and 2nd week september through to middle of December or is it all business travellers? If so the captains of Irish industry will be spending more time abroad than in the country?
Who is expecting 100% occupancy on upper floors of the multi-storey.
Who expects the demand to come when most demand originating in Ireland for business flight locations is already satisfied.
If they provided info on a new pricing model for parking at the same time I'd be more positive. I know that my company wouldn't pay for premium parking spaces when I was travelling out of Dublin on business.

JCX BXC · 20-04-2015 11:27pm

Was a passenger in a car last November dropping someone to Dublin for a flight to Dubai, short term car park was just short of Full, took us a while to find a space. If it was empty they wouldnt expand it. That's kinda obvious. I think its good, this country is fixated on waiting until something is beyond its Max until finding a solution to the problem. Forward planning is what's needed

lord lucan · 20-04-2015 11:34pm

They'll fill that no problem. From March until October the T2 multi story is packed solid and they have to send the excess to block c at t1. They've added a T2 plus car park on part of the old EI HOB that is only temporary and cost over half a million but they expect to make a profit on it in its short life.

They didn't build the full whack of the T2 multi story in 2010 as they were unsure when the extra capacity would be required. It was built in such a way though as to allow easy enough expansion when required and now is that time as pax numbers rise dramatically. Don't underestimate how many people will pay a premium in order to park in front of the building and not have to drag themselves and luggage onto a bus.

If there's one thing the daa know and do well it's car parks. Actually make that 2,advertising is the other.

Tenger · 20-04-2015 11:57pm

Must be hard on the construction workers however:

Gymnastic security point by tearbringer, on Flickr

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 12:26am

here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?

Tenger · 21-04-2015 1:21am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?

Why the witch hunt outside the DAA?

As pointed out above, this was forward planned but not implemented. It is now being implemented at a cost that will be recoverable within 12-18 months.

Peregrine · 21-04-2015 1:24am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

here is an unarguable example of poor planning. Who outside the DAA is to blame?

The planning permission granted in 2009 and extended until 2019 is for a 6 storey car park + an 11 storey hotel.

What were you saying about planning?

The car park extension is badly needed and planned from the beginning. If anything, it should have happened sooner. The cost, well, the cost has been prooved to be reasonable. And none of your claims make any sense.

L1011 · 21-04-2015 8:28am

Carnacalla wrote: »

€10,000 a space? That's one expensive car park! I'm sure as the poster above pointed out they will make it back.

Did you read all the posts? Its at the low end of construction costs

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 9:53am

No it is not. as all the preparation has already been done and infrastructure is in place. That extension should not be an 8 figure build project.

L1011 · 21-04-2015 9:56am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

No it is not. as all the preparation has already been done and infrastructure is in place. That extension should not be an 8 figure build project.

And your proof for this is?

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 9:58am

The documents which were attached to this thread by others which they misinterpreted.

L1011 · 21-04-2015 9:59am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

The documents which were attached to this thread by others which they misinterpreted.

How did they misinterpret them? You're not providing anything here

pauraic1990 · 21-04-2015 10:17am

Aphex wrote: »

Anyone know the reason for the new 308T stand?

Here the photo from my friend here. Clearly shown the 308T and as well 308R

I just wonder is the bus gate in C Pier in use? As I seen on Dublin Airport App that one of the flight using gate 335.

L1011 · 21-04-2015 10:35am

pauraic1990 wrote: »

I just wonder is the bus gate in C Pier in use? As I seen on Dublin Airport App that one of the flight using gate 335.

These are used for Stobart flights during busy periods I thought? You can see them from the airside (departures) link corridor

BonkeyDonker · 21-04-2015 7:36pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

No it is not. as all the preparation has already been done and infrastructure is in place. That extension should not be an 8 figure build project.

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

The documents which were attached to this thread by others which they misinterpreted.

L1011 wrote: »

How did they misinterpret them? You're not providing anything here

The new spaces are coming in cheaper than the previous spaces, possibly because of the earlier work. Also how have they been misinterpreted?

lord lucan · 21-04-2015 8:17pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

The documents which were attached to this thread by others which they misinterpreted.

You seem to be the one misinterpreting everything quoted in order to suit your agenda. I'm not quite sure what your issue with all of this is, even if the daa got a raw deal it's their money at the end of the day.

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 9:35pm

lord lucan wrote: »

You seem to be the one misinterpreting everything quoted in order to suit your agenda. I'm not quite sure what your issue with all of this is, even if the daa got a raw deal it's their money at the end of the day.

their money? give that some consideration.

BonkeyDonker · 21-04-2015 9:47pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

their money? give that some consideration.

They spend their money and plan on getting it back through charging their customers to use the facility - what is there to think about - it is the same as every business out there.

lord lucan · 21-04-2015 9:55pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

their money? give that some consideration.

They're a semi state in name only, they finance projects themselves and even pay the government a dividend. If they deem the project will be profitable then they go build it, they're not frittering away taxpayers money on it.

Peregrine · 21-04-2015 9:56pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

their money? give that some consideration.

Whose money is it then? It's a semi state company.

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 10:23pm

lord lucan wrote: »

They're a semi state in name only, they finance projects themselves and even pay the government a dividend. If they deem the project will be profitable then they go build it, they're not frittering away taxpayers money on it.

When did they pay to privatise this piece of national infrastructure? The dividends they pay to the people of Ireland are derisory.

Jamie2k9 · 21-04-2015 10:57pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

When did they pay to privatise this piece of national infrastructure? The dividends they pay to the people of Ireland are derisory.

Whatever they pay or don't pay, they contribute over 5 billion to the economy by giving tourists a gateway to Ireland. Then there is also the 30,000+ jobs in the area.

18MonthsaSlave · 21-04-2015 11:01pm

There should be 30 to 35 million coming in.
If they aren't delivering dividend then they should be delivering more business and holiday visitors to Ireland.

if they were any good they'd have got enough visitors coming through to build the runways and terminals years before.

L1011 · 21-04-2015 11:35pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

There should be 30 to 35 million coming in.
If they aren't delivering dividend then they should be delivering more business and holiday visitors to Ireland.

if they were any good they'd have got enough visitors coming through to build the runways and terminals years before.

What justification do you have for these figures?

18MonthsaSlave · 22-04-2015 12:08am

L1011 wrote: »

What justification do you have for these figures?

most everyone in europe has conversational english and Ireland is an obvious destination

Aphex · 22-04-2015 3:14am

pauraic1990 wrote: »

Here the photo from my friend here. Clearly shown the 308T and as well 308R

I just wonder is the bus gate in C Pier in use? As I seen on Dublin Airport App that one of the flight using gate 335.

Here it is caught from a different perspective while soaking up the rays :cool:

FWVT · 22-04-2015 5:45am

18monthslave, your last 2 posts prove that you are just here to wind people up. You obviously have some axe to grind with DAA and are pulling figures from thin air. Why 30-35 million, and please could you explain your English language theory in more detail? If ALmost everyone in Europe speaks English then surely it makes no difference what country they visit as people in that country will have English too.

L1011 · 22-04-2015 7:55am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

most everyone in europe has conversational english and Ireland is an obvious destination

So, nothing then. Thought as much.

Tenger · 22-04-2015 8:31am

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

most everyone in europe has conversational english and Ireland is an obvious destination

Is it really?

Kermit.de.frog · 27-04-2015 4:13pm

Saw this on twitter. Pic of queues yesterday for passport control

Why can't they get a grip on this? This is the first impression people get of Ireland. It's disgraceful.

markpb · 27-04-2015 4:22pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Saw this on twitter. Pic of queues yesterday for passport control

I've never seen anything like that. I presume something happened to create a situation like that?

27-04-2015 4:22pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Saw this on twitter. Pic of queues yesterday for passport control

Why can't they get a grip on this? This is the first impression people get of Ireland. It's disgraceful.

That's not even funny, EU passengers should be flying through but they only ever have 2-3 booths open. Airlines should slaughter them for it and put real pressure on them to get more booths open more often.

That queue must be well over an hour long, I came back from London last September and the queue was three quarters of the length of the snaked area and it took 30mins alone from there.

Jack1985 · 27-04-2015 4:26pm

That's absolutely terrible, did the DAA learn nothing from the UK Border Force delays up until recently?

MJohnston · 27-04-2015 4:35pm

Isn't that Terminal 1? Pretty definite it ain't T2 anyway.

Jack1985 · 27-04-2015 4:41pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Isn't that Terminal 1? Pretty definite it ain't T2 anyway.

Yep spot-on T1.

LXFlyer · 27-04-2015 4:56pm

That is one of the joys of flying with airlines that use the 3XX gates - passport queues are non-existent!

veetwin · 27-04-2015 5:26pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

That's absolutely terrible, did the DAA learn nothing from the UK Border Force delays up until recently?

DAA have little or no input into passport control.

Jack1985 · 27-04-2015 5:30pm

veetwin wrote: »

DAA have little or no input into passport control.

Understand it's under the remit of the INIS, didn't the DAA have a major push for civil servants to run passport control (INIS instead of GNIB) to avoid these sort of issues? What's gone on?

LXFlyer · 27-04-2015 5:42pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Understand it's under the remit of the INIS, didn't the DAA have a major push for civil servants to run passport control (INIS instead of GNIB) to avoid these sort of issues? What's gone on?

The civilianisation process is underway, but is not due for completion until the end of the year.

The process had nothing to do with the DAA, but rather the Department of Justice and INIS/GNIB.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Minister%20Fitzgerald%20announces%20major%20immigration%20civilianisation%20initiative

Jack1985 · 27-04-2015 6:19pm

lxflyer wrote: »

The civilianisation process is underway, but is not due for completion until the end of the year.

The process had nothing to do with the DAA, but rather the Department of Justice and INIS/GNIB.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Minister%20Fitzgerald%20announces%20major%20immigration%20civilianisation%20initiative

Ah right! Thanks

lord lucan · 27-04-2015 6:44pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

That's absolutely terrible, did the DAA learn nothing from the UK Border Force delays up until recently?

And this is why the daa have been going mental to get this issue sorted as it's a reflection on the airport even if it's out of their hands.

(sorry jack1985, not picking on you, just your post exemplified the point perfectly.)

LoonyLovegood · 28-04-2015 11:54am

Flying back from Lanzarote last summer, we were one of about six Ryanair flights that got in in a ten minute window. They'd closed the double doors between passport control and the 1xx gates, leaving everyone stranded for twenty minutes until someone bothered coming along and opening them. It's a really bad impression, especially when you're arriving in after 11.

Jamie2k9 · 28-04-2015 11:59am

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

LXFlyer · 28-04-2015 12:34pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

Presumably they are also worried about the natural gas pipes that run along every road too?

28-04-2015 1:51pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Plenty of people not happy about the fuel line to the airport which has being submitted for planning approval!

Far safer to have it drive along the roads in tankers :rolleyes:

basill · 28-04-2015 2:33pm

And the overhead power lines that kills cows in the fields....apparently. That's the problem with democracy. You let the tree hungers have a vote.

Mebuntu · 28-04-2015 5:57pm

markpb wrote: »

I've never seen anything like that. I presume something happened to create a situation like that?

I faced the same (even longer queue) situation on arrival in T1 Dublin last Friday so it was not a one-off. The Security people in charge seem to operate on the basis that only one plane disembarks at a time. They appear to have no comprehension that, for example, in the evening a whole bunch of Ryanair arrivals can offload nearly 1,000 customers but there is still only one booth open until they send for more staff but, by the time they arrive, the queue is winding around and back up the stairs. There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance for a spate of arrivals and/or they couldn't be bothered to look it up.

Unless someone directs them to get the finger out Dublin's reputation will be tarnished.

Tenger · 28-04-2015 8:07pm

Mebuntu wrote: »

..... There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance .........

Oh hello Irish civil service planning and bureaucracy!

FWVT · 28-04-2015 9:19pm

Mebuntu wrote: »

I faced the same (even longer queue) situation on arrival in T1 Dublin last Friday so it was not a one-off. The Security people in charge seem to operate on the basis that only one plane disembarks at a time. They appear to have no comprehension that, for example, in the evening a whole bunch of Ryanair arrivals can offload nearly 1,000 customers but there is still only one booth open until they send for more staff but, by the time they arrive, the queue is winding around and back up the stairs. There appears to be an unwillingness to prepare in advance for a spate of arrivals and/or they couldn't be bothered to look it up.

Unless someone directs them to get the finger out Dublin's reputation will be tarnished.

It's lucky then that they barely examine the passports and almost wave you through. Try somewhere like Germany or Italy, where they actually do what they're supposed to do and give it more than a mere cursory glance.

Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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