Victory for electoral fraud

stefanovich wrote: »

Having a child does not usually occur from a one time fling but rather over several months of repeated trying.

We don't all have lethargic spooge.

It only takes once.

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm not inspector Gadget but there have been numerous people bragging about it.


I'd have to question their sexuality then. Having a child does not usually occur from a one time fling but rather over several months of repeated trying.

As a heterosexual person I find the idea of engaging in homosexual sex repulsive. I would imagine a gay would feel the same about heterosexual sex.

People need to get this medieval bloodline idea out of the conversation. Generations of children from all over the world will tell you it takes more than a blood link to be a decent parent.

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm not inspector Gadget but there have been numerous people bragging about it.


I'd have to question their sexuality then. Having a child does not usually occur from a one time fling but rather over several months of repeated trying.

As a heterosexual person I find the idea of engaging in homosexual sex repulsive. I would imagine a gay would feel the same about heterosexual sex.

Lol

:rolleyes:

stefanovich wrote: »

Don't know why this is funny... A woman is only ovulating for a short period each month and the timing needs to be just right.

MILLIONS of women worldwide would disagree with this silly statement.

Having a child does not usually occur from a one time fling but rather over several months of repeated trying.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because mass emigration has occurred in recent years primarily as a result of disastrous government policies enacted when many of those who have left were too young to vote. It's only fair to give them the chance to try and help repair the country as part of the democratic process if they're coming home, or trying to help create conditions conducive to coming home.

Personally I don't see why we don't have an absentee ballot in Ireland.

Phrase I never thought I'd say - 'I agree with hatrickpatrick'

All citizens should have a say in the future of their country. Super simple stuff.

MathDebater wrote: »

Simple, indeed.

There are circa 3,200,000 voters registered with the electoral register. As we have already seen this weekend, a splice of them are already abroad. In the UK alone, six million people are able to claim Irish citizenship through descent. Then factor in those who can claim it in America, Canada, Australia, Irish citizens in the north and the number of Irish born emigrants.

Citizens from outside of the state would have more a say in how the country is run than those of us living here.

If they are ready for Ireland to be their sole country of citizenship why not? Hardly a likely scenario for the vast majority of them. But if they are comitted to make that leap do they not deserve to get a say in how their country is run?

You're regarded as a citizen or you are not. If you're a citizen you should have a say.

MathDebater wrote: »

We allow citizens hold dual and muliple citizenships. We don't make them rescind their original citizenship when obtaining Irish citizenship through descent, naturalisation or when Irish born citizens obtain naturalised citizenship with a new country. Would you seriously be happy with a collective who have left Ireland or who have never spent more than a holiday here, having more a say, proportionately, than Irish citizens who live here and who keep the show on the road?

Which is exactly why I said it would need to be their sole country of citizenship...

VinLieger wrote: »

How do people not living here and that never intend living here deserve a vote?

I agree emigrants should be allowed but there needs a to be a limit. I would suggest 5-7 years as that way they get a presidential and GE to vote on.

They deserve a say because they are citizens. Citizenship is a privilage that should come with the attendant duties, including deciding the nation's path.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Erm


that's Exactly how women get pregnant!

You claimed




But many many pregnancies DO occur from one time flings.

Can we not just ignore stefanovich's desperate need for biology lessons?

MathDebater wrote: »

When someone has acquired Irish citizenship through descent or naturalisation or when an Irish citizen becomes a naturalised citizen elsewhere, for matters regarding the state, the state treats them solely as Irish citizens. Their other citizenship is immaterial and the state holds no record of their dual and or multiple citizenship(s).

Other than severely restricting Irish citizens from holding dual and or multiple citizenship(s), ala Germany and Norway, it would be unenforceable.

Maintaining a record of those with multiple/dual citizenships will be a lot easier than maintaining the electoral register seems to be. I imagine the list of people with multiple citizenship to be relatively short. Very simple to have a passport scanner checking if they are on that list or not.

Emmigants, I knew it was them!
Even when it was the gays I knew it was them!

superelliptic wrote: »

I had heard similar - any source though?

66,000 newly registered voters by May 5th (cut-off point). Those registering were doing so in Ireland, obviously. I was one of them.

OP hasn't ever been able to put any numbers on anything, including:

How many people came back to vote (thousands coming and going every weekend anyway)
Whether they were legally allowed to vote or not
Whether they all voted Yes or not.

Thread is a load of balls really, and the OP's subsequent posts make the 'it's nothing to do with the result, just about electoral fraud' line fairly shaky.

For someone who doesn't like gay people, stefanovich sure seems to spend a lot of time thinking about them having sex.

Aka Ishur wrote: »

Phrase I never thought I'd say - 'I agree with hatrickpatrick'

I wouldn't advise making a habit of it, tbh

MathDebater wrote: »

Simple, indeed.

There are circa 3,200,000 voters registered with the electoral register. As we have already seen this weekend, a splice of them are already abroad. In the UK alone, six million people are able to claim Irish citizenship through descent. Then factor in those who can claim it in America, Canada, Australia, Irish citizens in the north and the number of Irish born emigrants.

Citizens from outside of the state would have more a say in how the country is run than those of us living here.

I'm not suggesting everyone with Irish citizenship should automatically get an absentee vote, I'm suggesting that people who spent their youth and/or young adulthood in Ireland and have emigrated out of economic necessity should have one. There's a difference between leaving by choice and leaving because government policy essentially forced you out.

stefanovich wrote: »

What this referendum has highlighted even more clearly is the lack of security in our electoral system, how broken and open to abuse it is.

66,000 non-residents return to vote yes. Enda is overjoyed.

Non-Irish registered and voting and proud.

where did you get that number from, coincidentally 66k was the number that signed up to the supplimentary registerer which is not a definition of non-resident.