The trashing of our parks and beaches

the purple tin · 01-06-2020 9:49am

We've always had a big litter problem in this country.

If you go out early on a Sunday morning before the council cleaners have been around or on a bank holiday Monday morning the place is destroyed with fast food wrappers, smashed glasses and bottles etc.

People who come back to the same spot every week and dump bags of household rubbish; usually it is eastern-european stuff.

I once saw a mother out with her young daughter, Ma was casually throwing litter on the ground when there was a bin 5 metres away. That was on a busy street too, the little girl will be a litter-bug when she grows up and pass it on to her kids.
You can teach the kids to respect the environment etc in school but they will always follow the parents' example when it comes down to it.

Pinch Flat · 01-06-2020 9:50am

We are a socially immature country where everything is someone elses problem and there's an absence of the concept of personal responsibility. We also have zero civic pride. These are deeply ingrained in the irish psyche.

I see it across all walks of life - from the communal kitchen in the office that's treated like a rubbish tip, to the mothers and fathers who dump their coffee cups and other rubbish at the GAA club when watching their darlings play, to the rubbish dumped from car doors at mcdonalds, to household rubbish left at public bins. Any sort of gathering ensures the venue will be treated like an open rubbish tip.

People dump rubbish and think it's someone elses problem - they just simply can't take personal responsibility for the rubbish they create and don't join the dots that it's a problem they've created. It's embarrassing.

Our country is strewn with rubbish. We're a filthy nation - up there with the worst in Europe. Visitors comment on it. Plenty of people I know who have come to Ireland expecting this green and natural country are genuinely shocked by the levels of rubbish here and can't understand why people abuse the country in such a way.

d15ude · 01-06-2020 9:55am

There are no tourists here atm, so no reputation as a holiday destination to be lost.
So councils should leave all the rubbish at these beauty spots for a month or so.
Maybe that will teach people a lesson.

ednwireland · 01-06-2020 9:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

You should take a walk in our glorious countryside. The amount of discarded coffee cups and drinks cans and bottles is staggering.

dont forget the new addition of disposable gloves littering the side of the road. definitely not teenagers.

Roger the cabin boy · 01-06-2020 9:58am

This littering is for the most part, by young adults. Scumbags and degenerates are also to blame.

Drives me nuts and I call the **** out on it when I catch them. (This may be my undoing at some point)

Like, WTF. Don't treat the world as your trashcan ffs

Pinch Flat · 01-06-2020 9:59am

ednwireland wrote: »

dont forget the new addition of disposable gloves littering the side of the road. definitely not teenagers.

And masks. Apparently you just open you door in the car park and dump it on the ground when you're done with it. Car park in my local shopping centre has them everywhere .

Akrasia · 01-06-2020 10:00am

buried wrote: »

Look Princess, twist it all you want in whatever ridiculous fashion you want to. I seen the exact same group a few weeks ago do the whole 'save the planet' wolix during last winter now filth up the area near where I live in the last week, last night again too. I seen them. Unless you live in my same community and can claim that they aren't, you can go home with your "ehs" and "eh no's". Its happening. But sure twist away and say it isn't. I know it is!

So you’re anti littering but oppose action on climate change?

Idbatterim · 01-06-2020 10:42am

Introduce a bottle and can tax asap. 20c minimum!

Biker79 · 01-06-2020 11:05am

Zero tolerance with an efficient way to issue fines. There is no other way to change the culture.

Done well and it could actually make money. Dog poop and drinking in public could also be included.

Whoever trots out these littering statistics which relate areas in Ireland to better or worse than ' the European average ' is seriously cooking the books.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-06-2020 11:07am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Introduce a bottle and can tax asap. 20c minimum!

The better way to do that is to bring in/back a deposit system.

Every can - 50c deposit on the can, returned when you bring the empty can back to the supermarket. Soft drinks bottles and cans included.

They do this in Germany - not only are people more careful with their leftovers, you also get homelss people collecting empty bottles and bringing them back and sometimes even kids looking to earn a little extra pockey money.

Multiple benefits.

amadangomor · 01-06-2020 11:15am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I see it across all walks of life - from the communal kitchen in the office that's treated like a rubbish tip, to the mothers and fathers who dump their coffee cups and other rubbish at the GAA club when watching their darlings play

The local GAA club's entrance is accessed through my estate.

The lad who maintains the greens complained to the club about people going to the GAA throwing rubbish in the estate. They denied it, saying it was the residents.

With the GAA ground being now closed there is no rubbish. He is going to talk to the club when they open to say it is unacceptable.

Truthvader · 01-06-2020 11:15am

Akrasia wrote: »

So you’re anti littering but oppose action on climate change?

Sadly "action on climate change" is a meaningless virtue badge which boils down to shrill empty street protests, the odd riiot a disturbed teenager holidaying on a $10,000,0000 yacht all in the cause of "somebody else" doing "something". Picking up your own **** actually involves doing something your actual self which makes an actual difference , actually

amadangomor · 01-06-2020 11:17am

Biker79 wrote: »

Zero tolerance with an efficient way to issue fines. There is no other way to change the culture.

Done well and it could actually make money. Dog poop and drinking in public could also be included.

Whoever trots out these littering statistics which relate areas in Ireland to better or worse than ' the European average ' is seriously cooking the books.

I have no problem with people drinking in public as long as they take their rubbish with them.

You see it in Europe and people can enjoy a few beers in the park and cause no hassle and don't litter.

JohnnyFlash · 01-06-2020 11:19am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Introduce a bottle and can tax asap. 20c minimum!

Jesus, you finally said something that makes sense!

Pinch Flat · 01-06-2020 11:33am

https://www.fingal.ie/news/council-appeals-park-and-beach-users-respect-public-health-guidelines-and-take-their-litter

Just got that through my FB feed. Utterly depressing.

01-06-2020 11:36am

the purple tin wrote: »

We've always had a big litter problem in this country.

If you go out early on a Sunday morning before the council cleaners have been around or on a bank holiday Monday morning the place is destroyed with fast food wrappers, smashed glasses and bottles etc.

People who come back to the same spot every week and dump bags of household rubbish; usually it is eastern-european stuff.

I once saw a mother out with her young daughter, Ma was casually throwing litter on the ground when there was a bin 5 metres away. That was on a busy street too, the little girl will be a litter-bug when she grows up and pass it on to her kids.
You can teach the kids to respect the environment etc in school but they will always follow the parents' example when it comes down to it.

You are correct that it is so easy to train children not to litter. As a kid I was famous for having my pockets stuffed full of rubbish as I had been trained never to litter. The whole family is the same, and I remember my cousin’s young child crying in distress because he had accidentally dropped a sweet paper and wanted to go back to the pavement where it had fallen.

suicide_circus · 01-06-2020 11:41am

we're a profoundly immature society

JustAThought · 01-06-2020 11:43am

amadangomor wrote: »

I have no problem with people drinking in public as long as they take their rubbish with them.

You see it in Europe and people can enjoy a few beers in the park and cause no hassle and don't litter.

I walk the beach most days and since the ‘re-opening ‘ and access I notice in my area and beautyspot there is a massive number of both Irish families and non nationals using the beaches - the majority of those with beerbottles and walking along slugging from glass bottles are not english speaking. Despite signs with pictures on them at the entrance to the beaches saying no alcohol and no BBQ’s people stagger along carrying them and leave them behind for someone to burn their foot off or impale themselves in. What is really disheartening is that the ones I see are not teenagers but well healed in their 30’s and entirely self entitled. It also bothers me the amount of filthy mothers who unwrap their babies arses at the shorefront and fling the used nappies into the sea or just leave in on the shore - totally unrepentant when you challenge them. This is not helped by ZERO police interest as they are all checking tax and parking, and ZERO council workers actually doing work. They are there in their council vans reading tabloids or on facebook parked up alongside the bins for 6 hours but never exit their council cans to empty an overflowing bin or litterpick ANYWHERE - this seems to now be the unpaid responsibility of volunteers and tidy town volunteers.

Maybe we should start posting pictures of overflowing bins at 10am and the same refuse still left alongside the bins at 5pm where clearly no state employee has made any contribution or effort since tye start of the working day.

I’d also like to challenge the practice of council ‘workers’ (I use the term work loosley) sitting in their bin lorrys for 2 and 3 hours and then springing into action at 5 o clock to claim overtime on a bin emptied once in a working day - its a total farce.

Counceller Geoghan or whomever posted in that twitter account would be far better off recognising that the daily refuse that is placed alongside overflowing bins where the council clearly has not been around or emptied the bin. He might also bother wondering why people on blue flag beaches should have to lug their refuse 7k to an overflowing bin bank at the entranceway when there is almost NO bins for the entire streatch of the rest of the beach. Hardly indicative of a council that is interested in the tidyness of their beaches nor in recycling facilities nor in giving value for money for the 52% tax people pay.

I’d also like to see stats on how many litter wardens there are and where they ptrol all day as I have never sen one. I’d also
like to see the stats on bin emptyings and how often this is done and what volume of rubbish is collected versus that picked up by volunteers. At 40-60k a year on a permanant pension and index linked government jobs what exactly are
these local refuse emptiers and litter wardens delivering ?

Notwithstanding piles at overflowing bins and never a litter-warden or council litter picker in sight - ever - people are filthy ****ers who would go somewhere beautiful and then fling a nappy, or leave beer bottle, or juice box or plastic wrappings on the ground where they were sitting and just walk away - what kind of disengaged filthy scum does that. There is certainly plenty of them about and certainly not all chav dolescangers but well healed Irish dirty well-dressed family scumbags.

Biker79 · 01-06-2020 12:04pm

amadangomor wrote: »

I have no problem with people drinking in public as long as they take their rubbish with them.

You see it in Europe and people can enjoy a few beers in the park and cause no hassle and don't litter.

The culture of rebellion is still too strong in certain sections of our community for that to work here. This feeds into a general lack of civic duty.

I think fines for public drinking could be discretionary, depending on the situation. But it's rare you will see some people in Ireland drinking moderately in public, and then gathering up all the cans when they're done.

A fine could be avoided by showing a guard how the cans will be disposed of correctly.

Edgware · 01-06-2020 12:09pm

amadangomor wrote: »

The local GAA club's entrance is accessed through my estate.

The lad who maintains the greens complained to the club about people going to the GAA throwing rubbish in the estate. They denied it, saying it was the residents.

With the GAA ground being now closed there is no rubbish. He is going to talk to the club when they open to say it is unacceptable.

Good luck with that

PhilOssophy · 01-06-2020 12:48pm

JustAThought wrote: »

I walk the beach most days and since the ‘re-opening ‘ and access I notice in my area and beautyspot there is a massive number of both Irish families and non nationals using the beaches - the majority of those with beerbottles and walking along slugging from glass bottles are not english speaking. Despite signs with pictures on them at the entrance to the beaches saying no alcohol and no BBQ’s people stagger along carrying them and leave them behind for someone to burn their foot off or impale themselves in. What is really disheartening is that the ones I see are not teenagers but well healed in their 30’s and entirely self entitled. It also bothers me the amount of filthy mothers who unwrap their babies arses at the shorefront and fling the used nappies into the sea or just leave in on the shore - totally unrepentant when you challenge them. This is not helped by ZERO police interest as they are all checking tax and parking, and ZERO council workers actually doing work. They are there in their council vans reading tabloids or on facebook parked up alongside the bins for 6 hours but never exit their council cans to empty an overflowing bin or litterpick ANYWHERE - this seems to now be the unpaid responsibility of volunteers and tidy town volunteers.

Maybe we should start posting pictures of overflowing bins at 10am and the same refuse still left alongside the bins at 5pm where clearly no state employee has made any contribution or effort since tye start of the working day.

I’d also like to challenge the practice of council ‘workers’ (I use the term work loosley) sitting in their bin lorrys for 2 and 3 hours and then springing into action at 5 o clock to claim overtime on a bin emptied once in a working day - its a total farce.

Counceller Geoghan or whomever posted in that twitter account would be far better off recognising that the daily refuse that is placed alongside overflowing bins where the council clearly has not been around or emptied the bin. He might also bother wondering why people on blue flag beaches should have to lug their refuse 7k to an overflowing bin bank at the entranceway when there is almost NO bins for the entire streatch of the rest of the beach. Hardly indicative of a council that is interested in the tidyness of their beaches nor in recycling facilities nor in giving value for money for the 52% tax people pay.

I’d also like to see stats on how many litter wardens there are and where they ptrol all day as I have never sen one. I’d also
like to see the stats on bin emptyings and how often this is done and what volume of rubbish is collected versus that picked up by volunteers. At 40-60k a year on a permanant pension and index linked government jobs what exactly are
these local refuse emptiers and litter wardens delivering ?

Notwithstanding piles at overflowing bins and never a litter-warden or council litter picker in sight - ever - people are filthy ****ers who would go somewhere beautiful and then fling a nappy, or leave beer bottle, or juice box or plastic wrappings on the ground where they were sitting and just walk away - what kind of disengaged filthy scum does that. There is certainly plenty of them about and certainly not all chav dolescangers but well healed Irish dirty well-dressed family scumbags.

You pose 15 different things to blame, when we just need to cop on and bring our sh1te home with us like every other country (except the Scousers - search "Formby Beach") is able to do.
There is no reality to dog wardens or litter wardens doing diddly squat or policing anything, we just need a mentality change across our society regarding our litter and dog fouling.

PhilOssophy · 01-06-2020 1:12pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

https://www.fingal.ie/news/council-appeals-park-and-beach-users-respect-public-health-guidelines-and-take-their-litter

Just got that through my FB feed. Utterly depressing.

Not being smart, but I bet they could have found a worse photograph than that, unless Fingal was much cleaner than Blackrock yesterday morning.....

Thelonious Monk · 01-06-2020 2:54pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

You pose 15 different things to blame, when we just need to cop on and bring our sh1te home with us like every other country (except the Scousers - search "Formby Beach") is able to do.
There is no reality to dog wardens or litter wardens doing diddly squat or policing anything, we just need a mentality change across our society regarding our litter and dog fouling.

Half of working class scousers are of Irish stock, coincidence?

StackSteevens · 01-06-2020 3:07pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Not being smart, but I bet they could have found a worse photograph than that, unless Fingal was much cleaner than Blackrock yesterday morning.....

Malahide Castle Demesne tends to attract a more refined, tidier class of litterbug!

fly_agaric · 01-06-2020 3:13pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

You pose 15 different things to blame, when we just need to cop on and bring our sh1te home with us like every other country (except the Scousers - search "Formby Beach") is able to do.
There is no reality to dog wardens or litter wardens doing diddly squat or policing anything, we just need a mentality change across our society regarding our litter and dog fouling.

Yes, it is a mentality change that is required.
AFAIK the schools do their best trying to inculcate environmentalism in the young for all the sneering about it that has been posted.

The more unpleasant "stick" side of trying to change behaviour seems to be needed as well though (i.e. having the enforcement in place that makes dog fouling, littering, fly tipping and the like potentially costly & painful instead of easy, cheap & convenient).

Maybe you are right though, that it's unlikely to happen & it's unrealistic to hope for it.

PhilOssophy · 01-06-2020 3:57pm

fly_agaric wrote: »

Yes, it is a mentality change that is required.
AFAIK the schools do their best trying to inculcate environmentalism in the young for all the sneering about it that has been posted.

The more unpleasant "stick" side of trying to change behaviour seems to be needed as well though (i.e. having the enforcement in place that makes dog fouling, littering, fly tipping and the like potentially costly & painful instead of easy, cheap & convenient).

Maybe you are right though, that it's unlikely to happen & it's unrealistic to hope for it.

I think the cost of enforcement would massively outweigh the benefits, it is difficult to expect the wardens, etc to police every park/canal/etc in the city. A bit like cars/cyclists/whatever running red lights, just because you get away with it never makes it right.

We have forgotten "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" mantra as a society and these constant problems are the upshot.

JustAThought · 01-06-2020 5:41pm

fly_agaric wrote: »

Yes, it is a mentality change that is required.
AFAIK the schools do their best trying to inculcate environmentalism in the young for all the sneering about it that has been posted.

The more unpleasant "stick" side of trying to change behaviour seems to be needed as well though (i.e. having the enforcement in place that makes dog fouling, littering, fly tipping and the like potentially costly & painful instead of easy, cheap & convenient).

Maybe you are right though, that it's unlikely to happen & it's unrealistic to hope for it.

Again I ask - why have we permanent litter wardens on staff with permanent government jobs & paid pensions when they are never in sight and ditto working council workers - not just ones sitting in their taxpayer paid electric vehicles and waste lorries reading the tabloid for hours at a streatch. I watched one fingal refuse lorry this afternoon pull up alongside a park where every bin was full bar one - he just looked and drove away. Total waste of space and taxpayers money. No doubt he will be clocking in for his bank holiday weekend salary - just not doing a tap of work. Common sight.

Antares35 · 01-06-2020 6:02pm

Don't get why people are convinced it's just the young who are doing it. I would have thought they would be more enlightened! Our way is the same except we actually get fly tippers and some of them I swear are repeat offenders. I'd love to f*cking catch them in the act. You'll find their own houses and gardens are pristine but they use the Dublin hills for dumping

We've managed to report a few over the years by going through the bags and finding utility bills (yea they are that stupid at times but what would you expect from such degenerates).

Thelonious Monk · 01-06-2020 6:04pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Don't get why people are convinced it's just the young who are doing it. I would have thought they would be more enlightened! Our way is the same except we actually get fly tippers and some of them I swear are repeat offenders. I'd love to f*cking catch them in the act. You'll find their own houses and gardens are pristine but they use the Dublin hills for dumping

We've managed to report a few over the years by going through the bags and finding utility bills (yea they are that stupid at times but what would you expect from such degenerates).

People of all ages dump and litter, but I suppose the litter in my local park is mostly cans, crisp packets, take away boxes, bottles etc strewn in piles here and there where there would have been groups of young people sitting. I'm pretty sure it wasn't middle aged people getting their drink on in the park at night.

Biker79 · 01-06-2020 6:07pm

You can also note from some of the photos posted via Twitter, that the type of trash being dumped is in many instances quite similar - coke, beer, pizza, cakes etc.

Trash food makes trashy people produce too much trash.

( and nappies )

Higgins5473 · 01-06-2020 6:51pm

There’s playing pitches up from our estate. Council owned. They removed the goals when everything kicked off because a lot of teens were gathering which was fair enough. It’s still a popular spot with runners and walkers and I go up and smack the sliotar on my own. I went up last night about 7pm. There were lots of groups of adults, 24-45 drinking eating deckchairs and all that. Middle of the whole area was strewn with cans, what was worse was that there were about 20-30 broken Heineken bottles left what looked like deliberately in upright positions. The green of the bottles with the grass made it very hard to make out. I don’t believe it was the adults as a lot of teens gather there as well. However an awful lot of the groups were there for the day, as they were smashed. Nobody said anything to anyone. I spent about an hour gathering cans and broken bottles using the hurl into a pile. Not one person out of I’d say 30-40 bat an eyelid. I wasn’t looking for thanks or fair play, I was looking for a hand, The adults that lay basking in the sun eating a drinking bothered me more than whoever left all that sh*t behind. I took a picture and emailed the council and rang the Gardaí if they could remove it quicker.

#inthistogether

We most certainly are not. We are a disgusting nation of selfish mé féiner pigs for the most part.

Deebles McBeebles · 01-06-2020 7:06pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

We are a disgusting nation of selfish mé féiner pigs for the most part.

100%. And not just when it comes to littering either.

Biker79 · 01-06-2020 7:18pm

I strongly suspect that the wrong type of people are having too much children.

While the people who should be having kids have struggled to afford it.

fly_agaric · 01-06-2020 7:25pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Again I ask - why have we permanent litter wardens on staff with permanent government jobs & paid pensions when they are never in sight and ditto working council workers - not just ones sitting in their taxpayer paid electric vehicles and waste lorries reading the tabloid for hours at a streatch. I watched one fingal refuse lorry this afternoon pull up alongside a park where every bin was full bar one - he just looked and drove away. Total waste of space and taxpayers money. No doubt he will be clocking in for his bank holiday weekend salary - just not doing a tap of work. Common sight.

Your anecdotes aside we don't have very many litter wardens. I've never seen one in the wild. We don't have enough local gards to back them up in their work either if needed. Given that we've had generations of people (all ages and social classes) being able to dump their filthy shít where they want in this country without anyone saying boo to them, would expect a nasty backlash if a real effort is made to change it via enforcement. Wouldn't be a job I'd want to be honest!

PhilOssophy wrote: »

We have forgotten "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" mantra as a society and these constant problems are the upshot.

I'm old enough to think we never had any culture of keeping the environment clean/not littering/general "civic pride" idea (for those living in towns and cities) here. It's just the consequences of that deficit get worse as we get richer and have more rubbish to dispose of and the population increases.
The polluter pays principle (which I'd agree with) also means there is a financial benefit to fly tipping & generally not taking your own rubbish with you which was not there when waste collection was free and run by councils etc.

Thelonious Monk · 01-06-2020 7:26pm

Biker79 wrote: »

I strongly suspect that the wrong type of people are having too much children.

While the people who should be having kids have struggled to afford it.

It's definitely not just a knackery kids problem though, it seems to be endemic throughout all of society in Ireland.
E.g. Sorcha and Aisling and Fintan leaving tents and sleeping bags behind at festivals because they're too f*cking lazy and feckless to take them with them.

01-06-2020 7:30pm

Biker79 wrote: »

I strongly suspect that the wrong type of people are having too much children.

While the people who should be having kids have struggled to afford it.

The entitled little ****ers can be just as bad. Worse at times.

Zebra3 · 01-06-2020 7:32pm

We've a nation of car addicts who have no problem destroying the fresh air, so all this littering is hardly a surprise.

01-06-2020 7:35pm

Here we go :rolleyes:

Pkiernan · 01-06-2020 7:37pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The entitled little ****ers can be just as bad. Worse at times.

When are they worse?

They're not joy riding scramblers thru the parks like our welfare kids.

Pkiernan · 01-06-2020 7:37pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The entitled little ****ers can be just as bad. Worse at times.

When are they worse?

They're not joy riding scramblers thru the parks like our welfare kids.

Truthvader · 01-06-2020 8:19pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

We've a nation of car addicts who have no problem destroying the fresh air, so all this littering is hardly a surprise.

Well that was relevant

amadangomor · 01-06-2020 9:30pm

Aside from littering there is some pure ignorance/selfishness in this country. Saw two people cutting hedges this week in the middle of bird nesting time. Totally illegal.

Have confronted people in the past when I've seen businesses cutting hedges in nesting season but have had the kids with me when passing these people so didn't want any potential aggro.

corks finest · 01-06-2020 9:51pm

amadangomor wrote: »

Aside from littering there is some pure ignorance/selfishness in this country. Saw two people cutting hedges this week in the middle of bird nesting time. Totally illegal.

Have confronted people in the past when I've seen businesses cutting hedges in nesting season but have had the kids with me when passing these people so didn't want any potential aggro.

That's illegal AFAIK, certainly farmers cant

Thelonious Monk · 01-06-2020 10:01pm

corks finest wrote: »

That's illegal AFAIK, certainly farmers cant

they can't but they most certainly do

Omackeral · 01-06-2020 10:20pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

#inthistogether

We most certainly are not. We are a disgusting nation of selfish mé féiner pigs for the most part.

But remember the Ireland fans at Euro 2016 on LAD Bible and Joe.ie? ''Clean up, for the boys in Green!!!'' You mean to tell me they don't always do that?!

Jinglejangle69 · 01-06-2020 10:23pm

Free gaffs, free money, free medical cards, free school lunches, free clothing allowance, free creche places... I could go on.

Having personal responsibility and putting your litter in a bin is bottom of these people's worries when everything else is looked after for them for free.

Scourge on this country.

Fann Linn · 01-06-2020 10:23pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

When are they worse?

They're not joy riding scramblers thru the parks like our welfare kids.

No litter or anti social problems in Dublin 4 or 6 by your analysis so,

Jinglejangle69 · 01-06-2020 10:25pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

No litter or anti social problems in Dublin 4 or 6 by your analysis so,

Actually go out to rathfarnham, Rathmines etc and you won't see 1 bit of paper on the ground in any of the estates.

Fann Linn · 01-06-2020 10:27pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Actually go out to rathfarnham, Rathmines etc and you won't see 1 bit of paper on the ground in any of the estates.

Bull****. I was a barman in O Byrnes of Rathmines for years and there was plenty of it.

Clarence Boddiker · 01-06-2020 10:28pm

My area has been invaded by teenagers in the last week or so, since the good weather. The rubbish everywhere is disgusting.They just throw their wrappers, bottles, Chinese food containers etc right on the fcuking ground without a care in the world...unbelievable.

It has to be said these are not working class kids but middle to upper middle class kids, 'better off' as it used to be called.

The trashing of our parks and beaches

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