Warning - May Contain Meat!

Weyhey · 11-11-2008 11:28pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

Here are similar ones from Pizza Hut, one for ingredients, and one for allergens. Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

The first pdf is from Dominos not Four Star, didn't think Four Star were veggie friendly at all or at least they have ignored my requests on finding out if their cheese is veggie etc.

Also I have found Pizza Hut quiet good and I would check out pizzahut.co.uk rather than the more American site for the allergies list as it shows whats vegan and what's veggie.

Mark Hamill · 12-11-2008 3:38pm

Weyhey wrote: »

The first pdf is from Dominos not Four Star, didn't think Four Star were veggie friendly at all or at least they have ignored my requests on finding out if their cheese is veggie etc.

Thanks for that, I was searching both sites for ingredients and only found ingredients on Dominos site, must have gotten mixed up when typing.

Weyhey wrote: »

Also I have found Pizza Hut quiet good and I would check out pizzahut.co.uk rather than the more American site for the allergies list as it shows whats vegan and what's veggie.

I did before but couldn't figure out how to get in (thought the button on the bottom was for deals

). Here's the pdf, and everything, bar the obvious, is veggie. (Pdf even breaks down the individual ingredients of their meals and indicates if suitable for veggies or allergy sufferers, which is nice)

Slaygal · 12-11-2008 6:38pm

Not SnackaJacks I've been using them as a low cal alternative to crisps cos I'm losing weight. I feel like crying now

Mark Hamill · 22-11-2008 5:23pm

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Fad · 22-11-2008 9:37pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

An Enzyme by my Leaving Cert Biology definition, is a Biological catalyst which speeds up a reaction without itself being used up in the reaction. Biological does NOT mean animal derived, yeast has enzymes in it, its not animal derived.

Weyhey · 01-12-2008 6:02pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Yes i think we should, if you find out any of the email addresses maybe we could set up a post containing details of companies and their products we need to email them about. Then we should all try to email them. Companies ignore the odd complaint but if a group of people email seperately or with a petition then surely they have to take notice just like they did with Mars Bars?

For me personally I wouldn't mind emailling companies but searching for the right email address and/or products concerned usually puts me off - someone listing these for me makes things so much easier.

tricky D · 02-12-2008 7:13pm

This might make for some uncomfortable reading:

U. S. Food and Drug Administration - The Food Defect Action Levels

Briefly it sets out limits of food contaminants including non-veg 'defects' on the basis that 'it is economically impractical to grow, harvest, or process raw products that are totally free of non-hazardous, naturally occurring, unavoidable defects.'

Yuk

Aurora Borealis · 03-12-2008 3:00am

I actually feel like retching and that's only after reading the first page!
Christ above we really have little idea what we're putting into our bodies. I'm almost scared to read the rest of that article because ignorance may be easier.

Mark Hamill · 04-12-2008 7:40pm

Yes i think we should, if you find out any of the email addresses maybe we could set up a post containing details of companies and their products we need to email them about. Then we should all try to email them. Companies ignore the odd complaint but if a group of people email seperately or with a petition then surely they have to take notice just like they did with Mars Bars?

For me personally I wouldn't mind emailling companies but searching for the right email address and/or products concerned usually puts me off - someone listing these for me makes things so much easier.

Well, rancheroes are made by KP, but you would probably need to email Robert-Roberts limited,as they are the distributers of the crisps and I cant find one for KP themselves (email info@robert-roberts.ie).
"The Little Red Deli" only has a phone number, no email address.

tricky D wrote: »

This might make for some uncomfortable reading:

U. S. Food and Drug Administration - The Food Defect Action Levels

Briefly it sets out limits of food contaminants including non-veg 'defects' on the basis that 'it is economically impractical to grow, harvest, or process raw products that are totally free of non-hazardous, naturally occurring, unavoidable defects.'

Yuk

Thanks for the link, I had heard of that before, that there where levels of contaminant allowed efore action had to be taken. Does anyone know if this sort of thing applies to allergy labels? ie can something claim to be suitable for nut allergy sufferers, as long as there is low enough level per unit sample, or does their have to be no nuts what so ever in that case?

sweet-rasmus · 15-12-2008 12:52am

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Have you had any replies?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to get the Irish or UK Vegetarian Society (depending if the food brand is English/Irish) to write in aswell. It is the jobs of these societies to represent us all and quite a lot of weight would be attached to their name.
http://www.vegetarian.ie/
http://www.vegsoc.org/

starn · 10-04-2009 10:11am

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

Personally, I amn't keen on things like.. you order a sandwich from a sandwich making place - you see them slice a chicken filled sandwich with the same knife that they are about to use on your sandwich - order canceled!

I thought I was the only one who did this. Are Mcd, BK and chippers still cooking there chips with beef fat?

Aoifums · 11-04-2009 10:47pm

Tabitharose wrote: »

Vegan list:

Coco Pops
Coco Pops Mega Munchers
Corn Flakes
Frosties
Frosties Reduced Sugar
Fruit Winders
Just Right
Rice Krispies
Rice Krispies Multi-Grain Shapes
Special K
Raisin Wheats

http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/products/default.aspx

Almost certain that Special K have some form of milk in them. I was so disappointed about that... One of the few cereals I like.

Don't know if anyone said this already, but Avonmore whipped cream has geletine in it. It's the pre-whipped stuff in a tub.

sweet-rasmus · 12-04-2009 11:03am

Oh yes, I think we had some issues with that kellogs website. I'll add the Avonmore whipped cream to the sticky - i'm very surprised to hear it!

kraggy · 12-04-2009 7:45pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Regarding your point on Shellac, when I was living in England, I came across a similar situation with chocolate covered peanuts in an Iceland shop.

Long story short...rang their customer advice number and (fair play to them) they investigated it with their labelling departement who in turn got back to me.

They pointed out that shellac is a secretion of the insect and not part of the insect itself i.e. shellac is something the insect shíts out. And so, shellac is vegetarian (but not vegan obviously).

I was always of the impression that shellac was dead beetles or something similar but on looking it up on wikipedia, it's the secretion and not the insect itself.

Aoifums · 13-04-2009 1:03am

I was always under the impression that shellac and carmine were the same thing...

Wiki-ed them and now it turns out they aren't. Shellac seems to be suitable for veggies but carmine/cochineal isn't. One's just secretion and the other is squished bugs. Checked the vegsoc website and it says the same. So anything with shellac seems to be grand for veggies.

And on a side note, Dairygold with added Omega has fish oil in it (surprise, surprise!)

Edit: Does Club Orange, Lemon and Rock Shandy have fish geletine in it? I know they have Beta Carotene, so I'm wondering... Has anyone ever gotten in touch with who ever makes them to find out?

Aoifums · 15-04-2009 12:13am

Sorry to double post...

I checked Special K today, it has dried skimmed milk in it. Alpen also has just about every derivative of milk in it...

sweet-rasmus · 15-04-2009 10:15am

Ah! Alpen! I'd never thought!

biZrb · 15-04-2009 11:58am

Its says on that Kellogs website that its Special K Medley not regular Special K thats vegan, theres ten varieties of Special K so finding a shop that stocks that one might be hard!

Geog · 16-04-2009 8:31pm

Will never look at a box of Alpen in the same way again!

Mark Hamill · 28-04-2009 12:12pm

Aoifums wrote: »

I was always under the impression that shellac and carmine were the same thing...

Wiki-ed them and now it turns out they aren't. Shellac seems to be suitable for veggies but carmine/cochineal isn't. One's just secretion and the other is squished bugs. Checked the vegsoc website and it says the same. So anything with shellac seems to be grand for veggies.

Thing about shellac is that while the pure resin itself is suitable for veggies (it is like honey in that respect, its just a secretion of an insect), the way they collect it usually gets the insect as well as the resin. It says so in the uses section in wikipedia

Wikipedia wrote:

This coating may not be considered as vegetarian as it may, and probably does, contain crushed insects.

However, it does seem like vegsoc approve shellac from Capol, so maybe its possible to get shellac collected in such a way that no insects are harvested with the resin.

biZrb · 28-04-2009 3:09pm

Did anyone see in this mornings Metro that there might be enzymes from pig sources in 90% of bread? Its not labeled on the ingredients as the enzymes are distroyed during baking. If this is true is not only unfair to veggies but to Muslim and Jewish too.

sweet-rasmus · 28-04-2009 8:45pm

Yeah, I noticed the article title over someones shoulder on the bus. Sounds dodgy indeed. Were many facts/brand names given? I wouldn't be too certain about things read in a free daily early morning paper... But some back-up would be good.

Nature Boy · 28-04-2009 9:07pm

biZrb wrote: »

Did anyone see in this mornings Metro that there might be enzymes from pig sources in 90% of bread? Its not labeled on the ingredients as the enzymes are distroyed during baking. If this is true is not only unfair to veggies but to Muslim and Jewish too.

Yeah I saw it. Here it is for those who haven't read it:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Most_bread_not_fit_for_vegetarians&in_article_id=636820&in_page_id=34

There's also a story in the UK veg society site:

http://www.vegsoc.org/news/2009/bread.html?page=24

Nobody seems to know for sure! It would surely be stopped (in the UK anyway) if it turns out to be true.

sweet-rasmus · 28-04-2009 9:17pm

Thanks for the links. Hopefully we will be hearing more about this being resolved/investigated soon.

Irish Guitarist · 21-05-2009 2:07am

I've noticed a lot of bread doesn't say 'suitable for vegetarians' on the label. At first I thought this was an oversight but then I noticed that one type of bread from a certain manufacturer might say 'suitable for vegetarians' and another type of bread from the same manufacturer wouldn't. I only noticed this very recently and it seemed a bit odd.

Hovis granary bread (original and wholemeal) says on the label 'suitable for vegetarians and vegans'. Maybe other Hovis bread is also suitable for vegetarians.

jick the rapper · 12-06-2009 4:41pm

do they have to state if its suitable for vegitarians?

taram · 13-06-2009 12:35am

jick the rapper wrote: »

do they have to state if its suitable for vegitarians?

In general? No, they do for obvious marketing reasons if it is though.

jape · 13-06-2009 4:46pm

Kelloggs pop tarts have beef gelatin in them, how annoying like , what's the point ??

Tar.Aldarion · 13-06-2009 11:20pm

jape wrote: »

Kelloggs pop tarts have beef gelatin in them, how annoying like , what's the point ??

I miss those things ;p

maameeo · 14-06-2009 12:59am

is there any marshmallows that dont have gelatin in them???
i think they are the only thing i miss! i know theres the realy sticky marshmallow stuff in coconut balls but i mean proper marshmallows.

sweet-rasmus · 14-06-2009 9:16am

The only place I've seen them is in online vegan stores. I got a pack once and they were strange. Then again, I was never a huge marshmallow fan before. http://www.veganstore.co.uk/ try to get them in but they are often out of stock.

maameeo · 14-06-2009 10:37am

i should treat myself and order some! lol

its probably already said but you should check with the doc or pharmacist before taking tablets, lot of them have gelatin cases, but there is always an alternative drug. my pharmacist used to go mad, didnt understand that id keep up the 'strict vegetarian' thing when im dying sick. lol

sweet-rasmus · 14-06-2009 12:09pm

Yeah, i went a bit mad trying to find paracetamol a few months ago. I think most had shellac to seal the outer coating of the tablet where it wasn't a gelatin-encased one. The ones in the powdered form are the ones to look for. I think it was panadol which is the brand I got, but lemsip does the trick too. The solpadine powdered ones were ok too, I think, but they contained caffene and I wanted to avoid that.

maameeo · 14-06-2009 12:37pm

oh i nearly had heart failure there when u mentioned solpadeine! im forever taking that! its addictive! thought you wer gona say its non veggie! lol

the antibiotics are the hardest, the non gelatin tabs are usually not as good (nothing to do with the gelatin of course)

Camarague · 15-06-2009 6:50pm

Wow this thread is an eye opener. There is just too much here to avoid.

What I've noticed is that so many products, the addition of the animal product is completely superfluous.

There doesn't seem to be a good reason why producers contaminate Fanta with gelatine, Mr. Kipling with Cochineal etc.

Not very appetising...

sweet-rasmus · 15-06-2009 7:09pm

Ah, don't let it get you down. There are heaps of tastey foods which are ok. And it's great to buy from a company where you are happy with their production method

Thoushaltnot · 17-06-2009 7:47pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I've noticed a lot of bread doesn't say 'suitable for vegetarians' on the label. At first I thought this was an oversight but then I noticed that one type of bread from a certain manufacturer might say 'suitable for vegetarians' and another type of bread from the same manufacturer wouldn't. I only noticed this very recently and it seemed a bit odd.

Ah, that rings a bell - did some googling and
"L-cysteine - Improving agent
Produced commercially from animal and human hair (and feathers). When produced from animal hair it is almost certain that all L-cysteine is taken from slaughtered animals. When human hair is used it is often sourced from women in third-world countries. L-cysteine is used as an additive in around 5% of bread and other bakery products. It is not used in wholemeal bread or other wholemeal bakery products."
Yuck

Hovis granary bread (original and wholemeal) says on the label 'suitable for vegetarians and vegans'. Maybe other Hovis bread is also suitable for vegetarians.

Rule of thumb seems to be; wholemeal = vegan, white = not

sweet-rasmus · 17-06-2009 11:31pm

i wonder why it is not used in wholemeal bread...

i agree. yuk indeed.

smegmar · 18-06-2009 1:04am

This one really surprised me, beef gelatin, I don't understand why, other frosted cereals don't need it.

-lala- · 18-06-2009 11:47am

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

Ah, that rings a bell - did some googling and
"L-cysteine - Improving agent
Produced commercially from animal and human hair (and feathers). When produced from animal hair it is almost certain that all L-cysteine is taken from slaughtered animals. When human hair is used it is often sourced from women in third-world countries. L-cysteine is used as an additive in around 5% of bread and other bakery products. It is not used in wholemeal bread or other wholemeal bakery products."
Yuck

Rule of thumb seems to be; wholemeal = vegan, white = not

Eww!

maameeo · 19-06-2009 2:34am

smegmar wrote: »

This one really surprised me, beef gelatin, I don't understand why, other frosted cereals don't need it.

no way! iv never had these before but i never would have even thought to look!!!
any other cereals like this i wonder?

sweet-rasmus · 19-06-2009 12:26pm

it seems to just be frosted cereals where i've noticed.

-lala- · 19-06-2009 6:05pm

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

it seems to just be frosted cereals where i've noticed.

Yes - I remember noticing this on other cereals in the past, quite a few actually. Can't remember which ones though.

maameeo · 19-06-2009 6:51pm

-lala- wrote: »

Yes - I remember noticing this on other cereals in the past, quite a few actually. Can't remember which ones though.

scary stuff! crunchy nut corn flakes and shreddies are my two favs, im hoping theyre good! eek!

-lala- · 19-06-2009 8:11pm

maameeo wrote: »

scary stuff! crunchy nut corn flakes and shreddies are my two favs, im hoping theyre good! eek!

I'm pretty sure regular corn flakes are fine. Dunno about any others. Except rice krispies actually, they're grand.

maameeo · 19-06-2009 8:23pm

-lala- wrote: »

I'm pretty sure regular corn flakes are fine. Dunno about any others. Except rice krispies actually, they're grand.

its gona take me forever to do my cereal shopping now, ill have to read all the boxes! lol

Eviecus · 28-07-2009 4:18pm

I hate that those frosted wheats have beef gelatine in them. What possible need would they have to do that?! Especially considering the majority of their other cereals are animal free?

taram wrote: »

Pills are an obvious one, I think of the 4 I'm currently on, only one is vegetarian. 2 have gelatine caps, one is a bright pink from carmine. Went looking for omega 3 oils for my sister and found a couple that said 'vegetarian caps!' proudly on the label but still were fish oils inside don't get the point of that!

Whey/rennet turns up in a lot of crisps/snacks even my beloved Salt and Vinegar Snack a Jacks. Ate about 5 packs before I checked Random vegetable soups having chicken stock or 1% dehydrated ham or something is a pain. Ironically my sister brought two of the same brand of soup home last night, chicken had vegetable stock, vegetable had chicken stock. Can't win

Fear not!!! The salt and vinegar Snack a Jacks are now vegetarian!! Every now and then I would get a longing for a packet and would check the ingredients whenever I saw them....and it paid off because to my joy I found out a few weeks ago they took out the nasties and they are veggie again!! WOOO!!! (they are in fact vegan! double WOO!)

Nature Boy wrote: »

Do Colgate test on animals?

I seem to remember reading something that they do. I think they are linked with Palmolive...maybe I'm wrong.

Peanut wrote: »

May not be so bad.. that sounds more like beetroot juice extract than beetlejuice :-p

Haha remember him?! Mad looking lad he was. Didn't scare me when I was a kid but it scares me now!

And as for Club Orange being vegetarian - as far as I can figure out it's fine

I can't see anything stating otherwise!

Tar.Aldarion · 28-07-2009 8:32pm

Eviecus wrote: »

Haha remember him?! Mad looking lad he was. Didn't scare me when I was a kid but it scares me now!

beetlejuice! beetlejuice! beetlejuice!

And as for Club Orange being vegetarian - as far as I can figure out it's fine I can't see anything stating otherwise!

Know about rockshandy??

I am unsure of drinks containing beta carotene, they may not be veggie, tehy may be.

Eviecus · 29-07-2009 12:48pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

beetlejuice! beetlejuice! beetlejuice!

Know about rockshandy??

I am unsure of drinks containing beta carotene, they may not be veggie, tehy may be.

Haha did Beetlejuice appear to you? I hope he did...but part of me is scared too...mixed feelings...he is freaky looking.

I think the rock shandy is ok too. I trust it to the point that I've been drinking it myself so if it does have crushed up bugs or fish in it then I am contaminated. I have only ever read about Fanta having fish in it, never seen mention of Club. Just steer clear of all Fanta, they're the devil! Oh and I noticed that some red lemonades have bugs in them:( Stupid colouring...why not use beetroot of some other natural red colouring?!

Tar.Aldarion · 29-07-2009 1:03pm

No beetlejuice for me! Oh well. Next time. I like stripes.
Hope theya re ok, I've been drinking em too, must make sure when I can though, just in case. Ye I stay clear of fanta/lilt etc.

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