Warning - May Contain Meat!

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 1:14am

http://www.nestle.co.uk/Nutrition/EatingHealthier/Food+Facts.htm

nestle give a list of what is veggie friendly which is good so you basically know to avoid anything not on the list lol

from the coca cola website the following contain fish gelatine:

'Fanta' Orange and 'Fanta' Zero Orange
'Lilt ' and 'Lilt' Zero
'Five Alive' Squash Citrus Burst
'Five Alive' Squash Tropical Hit
'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash no added sugar
'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash no added sugar
'Minute Maid' Orange & Passionfruit
'Schweppes' Slimline Orange Crush

Danone also use cochineal to colour some of their red fruit flavoured yoghurts but as far as I can remember they do label them "not suitable for vegetarians" from their website:

Why are some products not suitable for vegetarians?
The Food Standards Agency provides guidance on the labelling of a product with "Suitable for vegetarians." It provides that the term ‘vegetarian’ should not be applied to foods that are, or are made from or with the aid of products derived from animals that have died, have been slaughtered, or animals that die as a result of being eaten. Animals means farmed, wild or domestic animals, including for example, livestock poultry, game, fish, shellfish, crustacea, amphibians, tunicates, echinoderms, molluscs and insects. All due care has been taken to ensure that Danone products labelled as "Suitable for vegetarians" follow this guidance. Some ingredients used to enhance colour, for example, cochineal, are not vegetarian and products containing such ingredients will not be labelled as "suitable for vegetarians." Therefore, it is important that vegetarians check product labels before consuming.

sweet-rasmus · 27-10-2008 11:42am

Good set of info here

Just for people too lazy, I'm gonna post in the info from the Nestle site...

VEGETARIAN LIST

All products on this list are free from meat, fish and their derivatives.
Please note: Some products on this list have been fortified with Vitamin D3
sourced from lanolin (sheep's wool). Recourse to that information should enable
you to decide whether you wish to avoid any particular Nestle product.

1) BEVERAGES

Coffeemate: Original & Light, Latte Creations (all Flavours)
Nestle Boost Juice Drinks: All Varieties
Nescafé Alta Rica: Alta Rica
Nescafé Black Gold: Black Gold
Nescafé Blend 37: Blend 37
Nescafé Cap Colombie: Cap Colombie
Nescafé Cappuccino: Café Caramel, Café Hazelnut, Café Vanilla, Decaffeinated, Latté, Mocha, Original, Unsweetened, Double Choca Mocha, Unsweetened Decaff, Irish Cream, Skinny, Latte Skinny, Cappuccino Skinny with one topping
Nescafe Classic: 3 in 1 sachets
Nescafe Dolce Gusto: All Varieties
Nescafé Espresso: Espresso
Nescafé Fine Blend: Fine Blend
Nescafé Gold Blend: Gold Blend, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafé Original: Original, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafe: Suraya
Nescafe: Parisien
Nescafé To Go: Black Coffee, Decaffeinated Black Coffee, Hot Chocolate
Nestle Aero: Hot Choc, Hot choc Mint, Orange
Nesfrappe: Mocha Latte, Classic Latte
Nesquik Fresh: All Flavours
Nesquik Go: Choc Pouches 4 x90g
Nesquik Magic Straws: Chocolate
Nesquik Powder Plus: All Varieties
Rowntrees Cocoa: Rowntrees cocoa
Skinny Cow: Hot Choc, Mint

2) CEREALS & CEREAL BARS

All Cereals and Cereal Bars are vegetarian

3) CONFECTIONERY AND CAKES

Aero: Milk Chocolate, Peppermint, White, Caramel. Bubbles, Orange, Orange Delight
After Eight: Dark Chocolate Mints, Orange Chocolate Mints, White Chocolate Mints, Premium Bag Milk & Dark, Bar 80g Milk & Dark, Bitesize, Dark 85% cocoa
Black Magic: All new sweets, Dark Chocolate Thins, 100g Bars: Almond & Raisin, Almond, Dark choc
Blue Riband: Blue Riband
Breakaway: Milk Chocolate,
Caramac: Caramac
Drifter: Drifter
Heaven: Dark Truffle and Milk Orange Truffle Bar, Hazlenut Crème Bar, Milk Truffle bar, Perles Dark truffle, Dark chocolate bar, Assorted Neapoloitans, Brownie truffle
Kit Kat: Milk, Mint, Orange, White, 2 & 4 finger dark, Chunky, Cappuccino
Marc De Champagne Cocktail: Truffles Marc De Champagne Cocktail Truffles
Matchmakers: All Varieties, Honeycomb
Milky Bar: Original MilkyBar, Buttons, Choo, Milky Bar Munchies, Sandwich Biscuit Choco Mousse. Raspberry Filled Bar, Milkybar Buttons Pure, Milkybar Pure, Moments, Milkybar cake mix
Munchies: Original, Mint, Munchie Munchies,
Nesquik Snack: Chocolate
Nesquik Crunch: White
Nestle: Choc Cake Bar
Polo: Original Mints, Spearmint, Sugar free Mints, Extra Strong
Quality Street: All sweets, Big Purple One, Big Green Triangle, Big Orange Crunch, My Caramel Swirl, Toffees & Caramels (Delux) Hanging Bag Toffee Assortment
Rolo: Standard, Filled Egg, Rolo Choc Brownie cake mix
Rowntree’s: Jelly Tots, Jelly Tots cup Cakes
Toffee Crisp: Original, Toffee Crisp Biscuit, Popcorn (launched early 2008)
Walnut Whip: Vanilla
Yorkie: Milk Chocolate, Raisin & Biscuit, Yorkie Biscuit, Yorkie Classic Muffin, Yorkie Giant cookie mix, Yorkie Boulders

3) CHILLED MEATS/ CULINARY

No suitable Products

5) MILKS AND CREAMS

Carnation: Carnation Evaporated Milk, Light, Thick & Creamy Custard,Sweetened Condensed Milk, Light Condensed Milk, Extra Thick Cream, Caramel, Chocolate,Custard, Creamed Rice
Tip Top: Tip Top, Tip Top Squirty all flavours, Vanilla, Chocolate

6) NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS

Build Up Nutren Instant Custard: Custard
Build Up Nutren Original: Original
Build Up Nutren Milky Drinks: Banana, Chocolate, Lemon & Lime, Strawberry, Vanilla
Build Up Soups: Tomato, Potato & Leek, Vegetable

7) PASTA & CHEESE

Buitoni: All varieties of dry pasta, Pasta Sauces (all varieties)

8) YOGURTS, FROMAGE FRAIS AND DESSERTS

Disney Desserts: Tigger Yogurt, Winnie the Pooh Fromage Frais (Chocolate, Fruit) Winnie The Pooh Chocolate Pot
Milky Bar: Fromage Frais, Split Pots,White Choc Dessert 6 Pack, NOT 2 & 4 Packs
Munch Bunch: Munch Bunch Yogurt, Squashums Straw, Fromage Frais, Double Up Fromage Frais,
Nesquik: Chocolate Pots Fromage Frais
Nestle Heaven Desserts: All Varieties
Nestlé Dessert Sauce: Caramel, Chocolate
Ski Yogurts: All Varieties
Superman Yogurt: Strawberry, Peach

At the time of going to press this list is accurate, however our policy of continuous
product improvement may result in changes, so we recommend you check the label.

The VEGAN list is a lot smaller:

1) BEVERAGES

Nestle Boost Juice Drinks: All Varieties
Nescafé Alta Rica: Alta Rica
Nescafé Black Gold: Black Gold
Nescafé Blend 37: Blend 37
Nescafé Cap Colombie: Cap Colombie
Nescafe Dolce Gusto: Espresso, Café Lungo, Lungo Decaf, Espresso Intenso, Caffe Clássico Roast Ground Coffee & Decaf
Nescafé Espresso: Espresso
Nescafé Fine Blend: Fine Blend
Nescafé Gold Blend: Gold Blend, decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafé Original: Original, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafe Parisien: Parisien
Nescafe Suraya: Suraya
Nescafe To Go Black: coffee, Decaffeinated Black Coffee
Nesquik Magic Straws: Chocolate
Rowntrees Cocoa Powder: Cocoa Powder

3) CONFECTIONERY AND CAKES

Jelly tots: Jelly tots
Polo: Original Mints, Spearmint, Sugar free Mints, Xtra Strong

4) CHILLED MEATS/ CULINARY
No suitable products

5) NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS
No suitable products

6) PASTA & CHEESE

Buitoni: All varieties of dry pasta
Pasta Sauces: (all varieties)

7) YOGURTS, FROMAGE FRAIS AND DESSERTS

Nestlé Dessert Sauce: Caramel, Chocolate

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 2:02pm

Veggie list: to be compiled. see webpage

Vegan list:

Coco Pops
Coco Pops Mega Munchers
Corn Flakes
Frosties
Frosties Reduced Sugar
Fruit Winders
Just Right
Rice Krispies
Rice Krispies Multi-Grain Shapes
Special K
Raisin Wheats

http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/products/default.aspx

Edited to save confusion. The full kellogs product list had been pasted twice (the honey included jumped out at me!). The Kellogs website just list them all, with non-vegetarian included, whereas only pictures are provided for the special diets. You will need to pick out the veggie ones from the pics (noticeably none with marshmallow). There were so few vegan ones that I just wrote them out.

ztoical · 27-10-2008 3:34pm

Tabitharose wrote: »

Rice Krispies Squares Chewy Marshmallow

When I look at the veggie list on the website the chewy marshmallow squares don't come up. Marshmallow is listed as an Ingredient but it doesn't give the Ingredients for the marshmallow.

Fad · 27-10-2008 5:05pm

ztoical wrote: »

When I look at the veggie list on the website the chewy marshmallow squares don't come up. Marshmallow is listed as an Ingredient but it doesn't give the Ingredients for the marshmallow.

Rice Krispy squares?
Last time I saw the ingredients it said Beef Gelatin, was a while ago though.

Frosted Shredded Wheat, has beef gelatin too.

ztoical · 27-10-2008 5:20pm

Fad wrote: »

Rice Krispy squares?
Last time I saw the ingredients it said Beef Gelatin, was a while ago though.

Missed it the first time [shows you need to keep eyes peeled when looking at labels] but the website does list Pork Gelatin in the squares. The Rice Krispies Squares Crazy Choc also have pork gelatin in them.

Tar.Aldarion · 27-10-2008 7:14pm

Really doubt anything with marshmellow is veggie.

sweet-rasmus · 27-10-2008 10:46pm

All fixed, you guys. The Kellogs website is oddly laid out and the poster posted what he/she thought was a veggie list. Whoever wants to type out the veggie list from the pics, go ahead

edit: I've emailed Kellogs and asked them to layout their products page in a way which lists the special diets in words, to make it clearer (for you guys) and said that their current layout is a bit messy. I wonder if I'll hear back from them...

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 11:19pm

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

All fixed, you guys. The Kellogs website is oddly laid out and the poster posted what he/she thought was a veggie list.

yes indeed that is what you call me being an idiot - sorry & thanks for sorting it out for me - was looking at their website yesterday & then posted that really quickly today without checking what I was at properly :rolleyes:

Peanut · 29-10-2008 12:10am

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

..
Edit: ewww - just saw that Yoplait Nouriche Raspberry Breakfast Smoothie is "Colored With, Beet Juice Concentrate".
..

May not be so bad.. that sounds more like beetroot juice extract than beetlejuice :-p

Mark Hamill · 29-10-2008 7:25pm

ztoical wrote: »

Does that go for Club Orange as well?

Well, according to their website, Club Orange ingredients are

Carbonated Water,
Sugar,
Orange Juice from concentrate (11%),
Citric Acid,
Preservatives (Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Metabisulphite),
Colours (Beta Carotene, Apocarotenal),
Antioxidant (Ascorbic Acid).

So it seems its ok for veggies.

Tar.Aldarion · 29-10-2008 7:29pm

Depends on the beta carotene, a lot of the stuff in drinks is not vegetarian.

Mark Hamill · 29-10-2008 7:47pm

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

Here are similar ones from Pizza Hut, one for ingredients, and one for allergens. Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

sweet-rasmus · 29-10-2008 8:23pm

Peanut wrote: »

May not be so bad.. that sounds more like beetroot juice extract than beetlejuice :-p

oh.. i was perhaps reading that wrong.

beetroots rock

give me beetroot chocolate cake anyday

sweet-rasmus · 29-10-2008 8:28pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

I suppose they may be prepared in an area where meat is also used in the work surfaces/on the trays, so they are covering themselves.

Personally, I amn't keen on things like.. you order a sandwich from a sandwich making place - you see them slice a chicken filled sandwich with the same knife that they are about to use on your sandwich - order canceled!

Peanut · 29-10-2008 11:26pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

...However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

Hmm I think Pizza Hut are pretty good about being veggie with their cheese..
I would guess that the enyzmes probably cover microbial rennet and similar things.

kraggy · 30-10-2008 10:18pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Depends on the beta carotene, a lot of the stuff in drinks is not vegetarian.

What animal does it come from Tar?

I've looked it up and it seems mostly, at least, to come from algae.

Tar.Aldarion · 30-10-2008 11:14pm

kraggy wrote: »

What animal does it come from Tar?

I've looked it up and it seems mostly, at least, to come from algae.

I believe some(?) beta carotene in drinks would use gelatin stabalizers that would not be necessary in food. Don't know too much about it.

Mark Hamill · 31-10-2008 3:57pm

Peanut wrote: »

Hmm I think Pizza Hut are pretty good about being veggie with their cheese..
I would guess that the enyzmes probably cover microbial rennet and similar things.

Could be, but then you would expect them to have "suitable for vegetarian" on their website and menus. If they don't say it on their menus then I prefer to play it safe.

sweet-rasmus · 31-10-2008 8:57pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I believe some(?) beta carotene in drinks would use gelatin stabalizers that would not be necessary in food. Don't know too much about it.

Yes, that's what I heard also.
Quote from the uk coca cola website: http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/
(Part of this quote was already posted on page 1 of this thread)

# Can you tell me which of your products are suitable for vegetarians?

None of the products of Coca-Cola Great Britain contain ingredients derived from mammals. As some practicing vegetarians avoid fish products as well, it is important to note that some of our products contain minute traces of fish gelatine, which is used as a stabiliser for the beta-carotene colour. These products are:

* 'Fanta' Orange and 'Fanta' Zero Orange
* 'Lilt ' and 'Lilt' Zero
* 'Five Alive' Squash Citrus Burst
* 'Five Alive' Squash Tropical Hit
* 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash no added sugar
* 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash no added sugar
* 'Minute Maid' Orange & Passionfruit
* 'Schweppes' Slimline Orange Crush

Weyhey · 11-11-2008 11:28pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

Here are similar ones from Pizza Hut, one for ingredients, and one for allergens. Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

The first pdf is from Dominos not Four Star, didn't think Four Star were veggie friendly at all or at least they have ignored my requests on finding out if their cheese is veggie etc.

Also I have found Pizza Hut quiet good and I would check out pizzahut.co.uk rather than the more American site for the allergies list as it shows whats vegan and what's veggie.

Mark Hamill · 12-11-2008 3:38pm

Weyhey wrote: »

The first pdf is from Dominos not Four Star, didn't think Four Star were veggie friendly at all or at least they have ignored my requests on finding out if their cheese is veggie etc.

Thanks for that, I was searching both sites for ingredients and only found ingredients on Dominos site, must have gotten mixed up when typing.

Weyhey wrote: »

Also I have found Pizza Hut quiet good and I would check out pizzahut.co.uk rather than the more American site for the allergies list as it shows whats vegan and what's veggie.

I did before but couldn't figure out how to get in (thought the button on the bottom was for deals

). Here's the pdf, and everything, bar the obvious, is veggie. (Pdf even breaks down the individual ingredients of their meals and indicates if suitable for veggies or allergy sufferers, which is nice)

Slaygal · 12-11-2008 6:38pm

Not SnackaJacks I've been using them as a low cal alternative to crisps cos I'm losing weight. I feel like crying now

Mark Hamill · 22-11-2008 5:23pm

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Fad · 22-11-2008 9:37pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

An Enzyme by my Leaving Cert Biology definition, is a Biological catalyst which speeds up a reaction without itself being used up in the reaction. Biological does NOT mean animal derived, yeast has enzymes in it, its not animal derived.

Weyhey · 01-12-2008 6:02pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Yes i think we should, if you find out any of the email addresses maybe we could set up a post containing details of companies and their products we need to email them about. Then we should all try to email them. Companies ignore the odd complaint but if a group of people email seperately or with a petition then surely they have to take notice just like they did with Mars Bars?

For me personally I wouldn't mind emailling companies but searching for the right email address and/or products concerned usually puts me off - someone listing these for me makes things so much easier.

tricky D · 02-12-2008 7:13pm

This might make for some uncomfortable reading:

U. S. Food and Drug Administration - The Food Defect Action Levels

Briefly it sets out limits of food contaminants including non-veg 'defects' on the basis that 'it is economically impractical to grow, harvest, or process raw products that are totally free of non-hazardous, naturally occurring, unavoidable defects.'

Yuk

Aurora Borealis · 03-12-2008 3:00am

I actually feel like retching and that's only after reading the first page!
Christ above we really have little idea what we're putting into our bodies. I'm almost scared to read the rest of that article because ignorance may be easier.

Mark Hamill · 04-12-2008 7:40pm

Yes i think we should, if you find out any of the email addresses maybe we could set up a post containing details of companies and their products we need to email them about. Then we should all try to email them. Companies ignore the odd complaint but if a group of people email seperately or with a petition then surely they have to take notice just like they did with Mars Bars?

For me personally I wouldn't mind emailling companies but searching for the right email address and/or products concerned usually puts me off - someone listing these for me makes things so much easier.

Well, rancheroes are made by KP, but you would probably need to email Robert-Roberts limited,as they are the distributers of the crisps and I cant find one for KP themselves (email info@robert-roberts.ie).
"The Little Red Deli" only has a phone number, no email address.

tricky D wrote: »

This might make for some uncomfortable reading:

U. S. Food and Drug Administration - The Food Defect Action Levels

Briefly it sets out limits of food contaminants including non-veg 'defects' on the basis that 'it is economically impractical to grow, harvest, or process raw products that are totally free of non-hazardous, naturally occurring, unavoidable defects.'

Yuk

Thanks for the link, I had heard of that before, that there where levels of contaminant allowed efore action had to be taken. Does anyone know if this sort of thing applies to allergy labels? ie can something claim to be suitable for nut allergy sufferers, as long as there is low enough level per unit sample, or does their have to be no nuts what so ever in that case?

sweet-rasmus · 15-12-2008 12:52am

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I noticed one of my nephews eating a packet of Rancheros and looked at the back of the packaging when he was finished, half curious if they actually conatined bacon. I was surprised to see a suitable for vegetarian symbol on them, nut was more surprised to see the colouring used was carmine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no vegetarian sources of carmine, its always from the beetle. Should I email them about this?(assuming there is no veggie source of carmine) Is there somewhere else I could complain about this too that might have a better outcome?

A few weeks ago aswell I saw "The Little Red Deli" brand "white belgian chocolate covered strawberries" in Aldi, which have "suitable for vegetarians" printed on them, yet contain shellac. Should we start complaining about this to advertising standards, or the health department or something?

They might claim that there are only trace amounts of animal in the food, but would they get away with it, if they claimed their food was suitable for nut-allergy sufferers and yet contained trace amounts of nuts?

Have you had any replies?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to get the Irish or UK Vegetarian Society (depending if the food brand is English/Irish) to write in aswell. It is the jobs of these societies to represent us all and quite a lot of weight would be attached to their name.
http://www.vegetarian.ie/
http://www.vegsoc.org/

Warning - May Contain Meat!

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