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How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/03/cancellation-activism-persuasion-cancel-culture-twitter

    Many feminists have been involved in “cancel culture” but don’t like it applied to them. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

    What The Guardian and feminists alike need to ask themselves is what will happen when their readers and followers tire of being angry all the time....what then...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    'Upward-thrusting buildings ejaculating into the sky' – do cities have to be so sexist?
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jul/06/upward-thrusting-buildings-ejaculating-cities-sexist-leslie-kern-phallic-feminist-city-toxic-masculinity

    I can't bring myself to read this


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    iptba wrote: »

    Well... if they were shaped like breasts, wouldn't it be objectifying women? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Well... if they were shaped like breasts, wouldn't it be objectifying women? :D
    Your answer implied the situation was sexist to women. That's the correct answer, it seems, whatever the question is in gender studies courses and the like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe




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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,848 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    silverharp wrote: »

    Oh no, she has found us out. I’ll bring this up with others at the local patriarchy group at the next meeting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Feminists Freak Out After Discovering Men Don’t Want To Date ‘Woke’ Women
    By Emily Zanotti

    Jan 23, 2020 DailyWire.com
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/feminists-freak-out-after-discovering-men-dont-want-to-date-woke-women
    That is all just too much for feminists, it seems, who, despite swearing off men so often it’s practically their pledge of allegiance, want desperately to have the pick of men to partner with — and to deny them such a variety is, apparently, oppressive, sexist, and, for good measure, very “Donald Trump.”


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    iptba wrote: »

    I know the author of that article is quoting someone else, I can't be bothered finding the source, but sentences like this should be terrifying people, yet they seem to be not only acceptable, but praised nowadays:
    “And he also doesn’t believe in white privilege, irrespective of the fact that he works in a painfully undiverse industry, was privately educated and comes from a wealthy acting family which is nothing short of a dynasty.”

    That is INSANE in this day and age - it's saying that somebody has no right to speech because of who they are. It's so incredibly stupid and short sighted it really casts a huge shadow on all these movements. Including a certain one who professes to be "anti-racism" but seems to be intent on completely warped and twisted pursuits; A shame and a huge waste of an opportunity in my view, as someone who has "non-white" (I think it's the PC term nowadays?) friends.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    What The Guardian and feminists alike need to ask themselves is what will happen when their readers and followers tire of being angry all the time....what then...

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Men to avoid: The mansplainer, the sexpert, the patroniser
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/men-to-avoid-the-mansplainer-the-sexpert-the-patroniser-1.4327466

    This seems like misandry to me. I think the chances of the Irish Times publishing a similar piece with the genders reversed is low.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    This has 76,000 retweets and 379,000 likes in less than 3 days
    https://twitter.com/snoopdogfanpage/status/1296238174298148866


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    iptba wrote: »
    This has 76,000 retweets and 379,000 likes in less than 3 days
    https://twitter.com/snoopdogfanpage/status/1296238174298148866

    What a dope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭CageWager


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40039190.html

    More casual reinforcement of the notion that women do everything while men do nothing, except play the odd game of golf. Straight out of the “if women were in charge there would be no more wars” playbook.

    This stuff goes totally unchecked, it just becomes conventional wisdom.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Sometimes the world seems to neatly divide into two kinds of people: those who are responsible for everything and those who are accountable for nothing."

    LOL. So... we're talking about women throughout history and their contributions to society throughout that history?


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭CageWager


    "Sometimes the world seems to neatly divide into two kinds of people: those who are responsible for everything and those who are accountable for nothing."

    LOL. So... we're talking about women throughout history and their contributions to society throughout that history?

    Its like reading a transition year girl’s CSPE essay. It would be funny if this stuff wasn’t so dangerous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    CageWager wrote: »
    Its like reading a transition year girl’s CSPE essay. It would be funny if this stuff wasn’t so dangerous.

    I've said it before...if you read or listen to anything a feminist has to say in the voice of a 15 year old child it all makes more sense!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭CageWager


    I've said it before...if you read or listen to anything a feminist has to say in the voice of a 15 year old child it all makes more sense!!!

    That could be a torture technique :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Forcing feminism down South
    http://mensrightsalberta.com/forcing-feminism-down-south/
    First a full disclosure, I used to work in this business but always had mixed feelings about it. On one hand I appreciate charity towards poor countries, as I was born in one and I personally always try to lend a helping hand to those less fortunate. On the other, professional charity and making money out of helping others is a deeply flawed and contradictory system.4

    However, pushing forward feminist propaganda with such a level of aggression is a crime that is causing, and will cause much harm to countries like mine, because it channels much needed resources towards questionable ends instead of more urgent problems. Additionally, the official approach taken by Cooperation Agencies almost feels like a blackmail: if you want money for food you have to pass a law that will privilege women or give most of the funds to them or “educate” males to let them know how wrong they’ve being doing or find another way to empower women.

    I am far from an expert in this area, but some of the coverage I see seems to take the approach that the males are feckless/selfish while the females are selfless, hard-working heroes i.e. pretty broad negative gender generalisations about males and positive ones about females.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    I Hate Men: Attempts to ban French pamphlet sends sales skyrocketing
    Pauline Harmange’s Moi les hommes, je les déteste, explores whether women “have good reason to hate men”, and whether “anger towards men is actually a joyful and emancipatory path, if it is allowed to be expressed”. Its small French publisher, Monstrograph, called it a “feminist and iconoclastic book” that “defends misandry as a way of making room for sisterhood”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/i-hate-men-attempts-to-ban-french-pamphlet-sends-sales-skyrocketing-1.4350587

    I'm not sure that the Irish Times and the Guardian from which it came would have worded the article exactly the same, if the genders were reversed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Are masks giving men a licence to leer? Women report a rise in 'aggressive eye contact' since face coverings became commonplace as an expert warns they 'provide anonymity' for threatening behaviour
    Women online are reporting a rise in 'aggressive eye contact' from men in masks
    Social media users are sharing stories of 'so much hard staring happening'
    UN Women UK Executive Director said to be aware of 'anonymity masks provide'
    Claire Barnett told FEMAIL: 'We need to create an understanding that behaviour like unwanted and persistent staring is intimidating'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8564247/Are-masks-giving-men-licence-stare-Women-report-rise-aggressive-eye-contact.html

    There seems to be no end to the way women can be seen as victims and men as baddies in some way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Durham University student's union leader, 21, is self-declared
    'man-hater' who lobbied for pronoun badges for staff and undergrads
    Nailah Haque's Twitter profile until recently declared her a
    'misandrist till I die'
    Miss Haque, 21, was elected as undergraduate academic officer in February

    [..]

    A Students' Union leader at Durham University has described herself as
    a man-hater.

    Nailah Haque's Twitter profile until recently included the
    declaration: 'Misandrist till I die.' A misandrist is a person who
    despises men.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8777529/Durham-University-
    students-union-leader-21-self-declared-man-hater.html

    Most of the article is not about this, so probably no need to keep reading it
    ---
    Durham Intersectional Feminism Society "announce that we will be
    endorsing the following candidates for the upcoming SU election ...
    Nailah Haque"

    https://www.facebook.com/IntFemSoc/posts/1472372806262602


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    Automated English translation of a French article:

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/alice-coffin-les-hommes-je-ne-regarde-plus-leurs-films-je-n-ecoute-plus-leur-musique-20201002
    Alice Coffin: "Men, I don't watch their films anymore, I don't listen to their music"
    In her pamphlet The Lesbian Genius, the feminist activist writes that she boycotted the works created by men, which she likened to"attackers".

    By Le Figaro
    Published October 2, 2020 at 11:13 a.m., updated October 2, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

    n assumed misandry. In her pamphlet Le Genie Lesbian (Grasset) published on 30 September, feminist activist Alice Coffin claims that she has boycotted male artists. In it, she explains that she no longer reads books written by men, that she no longer watches films made by men, that she no longer listens to music composed by men.

    The woman who is also an EELV councillor at the Paris mayoralty likens the men to"attackers". To women, she says, "It's not enough to help each other, we have to eliminate them,"she writes.


    Misandry has been at the heart of the thinking developed by Alice Coffin for several years. One of his television appearances on Russian channel RT in 2018 sparked outrage. "Not having a husband, it puts me instead of not being raped, not being killed, not being beaten,"she said live. And that prevents my children from being too. »

    Lesbian feminist Caroline Fourest, who once campaigned alongside Alice Coffin, worries in Paris Match about"this essentialist, binary and revanchist approach that spoils years of subtle revolution and flatters anti-feminist clichés."

    In July, Alice Coffin, along with another activist Raphael Rémy-Leleu, pushed the resignation of The Deputy Culture Christophe Girard, following her hearing in March in the investigation"for rape of minors"against the writer Gabriel Matzneff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,848 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    this is an interesting one, but kind of depressing

    https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1315559988690137088

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    silverharp wrote: »
    this is an interesting one, but kind of depressing

    TBF I don't see it as being depressing. It's just the pragmatic approach to life. People need to earn an income. Ballet or any art based career is incredibly competitive, with limited options for gainful employment. Encouraging people into computers/programming makes sense since it's one of the few career groups which is likely to remain in demand for the next few decades.

    The dream is ending. The idea that anyone can do whatever they wish regardless of income needs. Throughout history, very few people could follow such a dream such as being a artist or such.


  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭CageWager


    How do women get out of bed in Ireland with all these “barriers”?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    CageWager wrote: »
    How do women get out of bed in Ireland with all these “barriers”?
    From what I’ve seen of calls for “gender proofing” of the budget, it’s not about supporting males and females equally, it focuses on females almost exclusively. It’s a bit gender equality experts who focus almost entirely on females.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, get into politics and get some votes.

    The funny part about the lack of women in Irish politics, is that the women complaining are the people who have no interest in going into politics themselves. It's always that some other woman should be in there. We need more women in politics, but I don't have any interest in doing it myself, but I'll never accept that other women probably have no interest either. Yup. So, the system needs to be changed to accommodate the needs of women and make the roles more desirable for them... and if that fails, just push some women into the roles through quotas.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭iptba


    http://empathygap.uk/?p=3108
    Feminism.

    Feminism is just about equality of the sexes.

    Feminism really is just about equality – as long as you understand that the word “equality” no longer means what it used to mean.

    To those not well versed in the manner in which policy narratives have changed in the last dozen years, prepare yourselves for the radical revision of the meaning of the word “equality” which is now politically and judicially established.

    My first encounter with the brave new world of “equality” was in The Corston Report, Ref.1, on women in prison. I quote,

    “Equality does not mean treating everyone the same”
    I thought this was an interesting and well-researched blog post. It was presented at a International Men's Day event.

    Here are some more extracts:
    The Government’s Guide to the 2010 Equality Act, Ref.2, specifically cautions against treating everyone the same. The advice on the interpretation of the Act is, I quote,

    “The Equality Duty does not require public bodies to treat everyone the same”

    “Complying with the Equality Duty may involve treating some people better”

    When women were the legal responsibility of males, this caused some problems for some males:
    Since the man was the manifest legal entity he became responsible for crimes – or torts – committed by his wife. The most common example of this were the Victorian debtors’ prisons. Some 10,000 people, 98% of them men, were imprisoned yearly for debt in the Victorian era. But it is reasonable to suppose that women were responsible for incurring at least 50% of debts. Even if the debt were incurred by the wife it was the husband who went to prison. It doesn’t sound much like male privilege to me.
    The beneficial aspects of coverture for wives did not apply only whilst the marriage lasted. The law of “necessaries” extended even to separated wives – and in some cases also to common law wives. An estranged wife could continue to run up debts with which to burden her husband. This was commonly used as a tactic to force the husband to agree to divorce terms favourable to the wife. Such estranged wives could, and did, push the strategy as far as having the husband imprisoned by running up unmanageable debts until he gave them what they wanted.
    The law of coverture effectively placed a legal obligation upon husbands to ensure their wives obeyed the law. A particularly egregious example of this is the Skimmington Ride. It is still the case today that society has a hard time accepting that some men may be the victims of partner abuse, rather than the perpetrator. In historical times things were no better. A man who allowed himself to be abused by his wife would be punished for it by his community. A husband was expected to control his wife. If she beat him, then this was regarded as a failing on his part. The punishment was the Skimmington Ride, in which the man was obliged to ride a donkey through the town facing backwards, and thus looking ridiculous, whilst the populace would bang pots and pans and jeer and mock him by calling out insults. The modern equivalent, I suppose, is the male victim of partner violence who phones the police only to find that he is the one they arrest.

    About a proposed Domestic Violence Bill in the UK (this is from 2019):
    The Bill will further strengthen existing powers to constrain, restraint and criminalise those accused of domestic abuse. The escalating sequence of protection notices, protection orders and non-molestation orders can see a man ejected from his home with immediate effect and kept out of it without limit. The new Bill will make breaching the terms of a protection notice or protection order a criminal offence. These arrangements mean that a man may be formally branded a criminal, with a criminal record, and imprisoned, without ever facing trial or any other meaningful test of the accusations against him.


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