Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

dahat · 05-03-2019 1:59pm

Trek could be the best call as the other major sprint teams look full. Whereever he goes he will look for top billing & command a decent wage.

cunavalos · 05-03-2019 2:18pm

Personally if i was Douglas Ryder, i would be looking to free up Cavendish's salary and sign Bennett to Dimension Data

Macy0161 · 05-03-2019 3:16pm

cunavalos wrote: »

Personally if i was Douglas Ryder, i would be looking to free up Cavendish's salary and sign Bennett to Dimension Data

From what I've heard, Cavendish's basic salary isn't that high this year - it's built around bonuses.

Weepsie · 05-03-2019 3:33pm

He'd be doing well to get anything close to Cavendish in terms of pay. 5 classics, a monument, a World Champion, points jersey in all 3 GCs, 48 GC stages and an Olympic medalist.

What he brings in sponsorship interest alone from some parts might cover the teams running costs.

Bennett for all his undoubted talent doesn't have that level of profile going for him. Though that's not all his own fault having only been able to ride 4 GCs so far.

terrydel · 05-03-2019 4:23pm

Weepsie wrote: »

He'd be doing well to get anything close to Cavendish in terms of pay. 5 classics, a monument, a World Champion, points jersey in all 3 GCs, 48 GC stages and an Olympic medalist.

What he brings in sponsorship interest alone from some parts might cover the teams running costs.

Bennett for all his undoubted talent doesn't have that level of profile going for him. Though that's not all his own fault having only been able to ride 4 GCs so far.

Bennett isnt in the same galaxy as Cavendish in terms of profile, achievements, marketability or anything else that matters in terms of earning power.

brocbrocach · 05-03-2019 4:39pm

terrydel wrote: »

Bennett isnt in the same galaxy as Cavendish in terms of profile, achievements, marketability or anything else that matters in terms of earning power.

But Cav isn't winning races (for now anyway). You have to factor in that he needs at least 2 others as a sprinting entourage so that basically leaves your team three or four riders down.

If they put some of those resources towards Bennett he'd win races and that's something Dim Data needs badly.

Macy0161 · 05-03-2019 4:57pm

Like I said - indications are that Cav's basic salary isn't that big this year, after two poor years/ illness. Albeit with big bonuses.

Weepsie · 05-03-2019 5:29pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

But Cav isn't winning races (for now anyway). You have to factor in that he needs at least 2 others as a sprinting entourage so that basically leaves your team three or four riders down.

If they put some of those resources towards Bennett he'd win races and that's something Dim Data needs badly.

But he is still one of the most recognisable names in Cycling and has a palmares that most could only dream of. He alone will bring some type exposure whether he finishes first or fiftieth. Bennett absolutely has to win for the expsure.

Cavendish will get TV time and media coverage just for being there.

MPFGLB · 05-03-2019 8:49pm

In cycling it is a fact you a paid more for your potential than for your palmares...ask Greipel and ask Bernal

Cavendish is a spent force and not paid highly these days but he is a multi millionaire anyway

Bennett si the up and coming top dog and could command a £2 million salary if his agent manages it well ..a Mr McQuaid who I have no doubt will

marvin80 · 05-03-2019 9:32pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

In cycling it is a fact you a paid more for your potential than for your palmares...ask Greipel and ask Bernal

Even ask Bennett himself - he's been screwed out of a leading role in the team for a German and his potential

RobFowl · 05-03-2019 11:04pm

Jesus lads, did Sam sleep with your birds or something????

slow · 08-03-2019 2:12pm

Dimension Data need results. They're in the World Tour, but are they truly a World Tour standard this year?

MPFGLB · 09-03-2019 2:08am

RobFowl wrote: »

Jesus lads, did Sam sleep with your birds or something????

Jasus what a sexist remark

And for what reason .....we are speculating on salary and teams ? Why that shoudl warrant such a remark is beyond me

Or can only not comment on an Irish lad ?

RobFowl · 09-03-2019 3:33pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Jasus what a sexist remark

And for what reason .....we are speculating on salary and teams ? Why that shoudl warrant such a remark is beyond me

Or can only not comment on an Irish lad ?

Ye Wha?

09-03-2019 11:58pm

Anyway .... I see Sam is down to start Paris-Nice tomorrow so hopefully we'll have a good result or 2 to talk about this week.

RobFowl · 10-03-2019 8:17pm

Not too much comparison between Sam and Cav these days, can't see him going on beyond this season.

brocbrocach · 11-03-2019 12:38pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Not too much comparison between Sam and Cav these days, can't see him going on beyond this season.

He's been saying he's just building back fitness though. These early season races are only to get him going again and the goal is to be right for Tour. I'll believe it when I see it to be honest.

RobFowl · 11-03-2019 2:58pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

He's been saying he's just building back fitness though. These early season races are only to get him going again and the goal is to be right for Tour. I'll believe it when I see it to be honest.

He's getting completely shelled in every race he does, either not fit, not well, past it or not motivated...
What ever the cause he's not at the races...

brocbrocach · 11-03-2019 3:10pm

RobFowl wrote: »

He's getting completely shelled in every race he does, either not fit, not well, past it or not motivated...
What ever the cause he's not at the races...

Bit sad to see alright. I wonder does he still have the attitude!

RobFowl · 11-03-2019 4:58pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

Bit sad to see alright. I wonder does he still have the attitude!

Listed as DNF today

neris · 11-03-2019 5:42pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Not too much comparison between Sam and Cav these days, can't see him going on beyond this season.

Cav should have gone last season. He reminds me a bit of Michael schumacher going to Mercedes for one last crack at it when all it does is mediocre results that put a blemish on a great career

wav1 · 11-03-2019 5:45pm

He wouldn't be the first to go on too long.even king Kelly did.

RobFowl · 11-03-2019 11:01pm

wav1 wrote: »

He wouldn't be the first to go on too long.even king Kelly did.

Wash your mouth out with soap Wav.....

Beasty · 11-03-2019 11:12pm

Cav's just filling time until he qualifies for the IVCA....

MPFGLB · 12-03-2019 11:14am

wav1 wrote: »

He wouldn't be the first to go on too long.even king Kelly did.

Kelly won MSR at 36 ...dont think he went on too long at all

Listening to Cav on the Cycling Podcast recently he feels he still is the fastest when fit ?? I guess its hard to stop

Geipel is still going and will probably wins some lesser races

The rider I am most confounded by is Kittel...what has happened to him ...he is no where to be seen in races most of the time ...at least Cav has been ill

RobFowl · 12-03-2019 11:18am

Kelly won MSR in 1992, rode on for Festina in 1993 but wasn't selected for the TDF that year.
Rode half a season for Catavana (horrible green shorts !) in 1994 and to be fair was still placing in races if not winning that year.

Cav says he has been ill, not 100% convinced by that or at least not as convinced its the problem he makes it out to be, Kittel has been plagued with depression and that is as real an illness as any..

Greipel a great rider and still winning away

MPFGLB · 12-03-2019 12:03pm

I never knew Kittel suffers from depression

Hope he finds his old form as he was unbeatable a few years ago

gman2k · 12-03-2019 5:05pm

Up ya boya!

letape · 12-03-2019 10:37pm

neris wrote: »

Cav should have gone last season. He reminds me a bit of Michael schumacher going to Mercedes for one last crack at it when all it does is mediocre results that put a blemish on a great career

Not sure of that comparison though. Schumacher’s legacy with Mercedes is that he helped develop the team to where it is now.

Raam · 12-03-2019 10:52pm

Re: Cav... guy's gotta get paid. It's his job.

patsman07 · 12-03-2019 11:55pm

Surely Bennett is worth putting in the Tour after his win today. Such a pity he isn't getting the chance. Would be great to have someone to shout for on the flat days and not just Dan Martin on GC days.

carltonleon · 13-03-2019 12:27am

patsman07 wrote: »

Surely Bennett is worth putting in the Tour after his win today. Such a pity he isn't getting the chance. Would be great to have someone to shout for on the flat days and not just Dan Martin on GC days.

Unfortunately, Sagan has that tied up. Really disappointed that he is not at the Giro though.

Raymzor · 13-03-2019 7:07am

carltonleon wrote: »

Unfortunately, Sagan has that tied up. Really disappointed that he is not at the Giro though.

There was hype that Sam was getting bumped by German Sprinters on the Bora team in 2019. Who are they? What’s their credentials? Is Sam scheduled for any of the Classics?

Junior · 13-03-2019 11:25am

Raymzor wrote: »

There was hype that Sam was getting bumped by German Sprinters on the Bora team in 2019. Who are they? What’s their credentials? Is Sam scheduled for any of the Classics?

No Hype, Ackermann is getting the Giro. His palmares is here - talks that Sam was getting MSR but that's still unknown as of yet.

Daroxtar · 13-03-2019 11:27am

Surely he'll get the nod for the Vuelta so? This year doesn't have as many insane mountain stages and the last week has 3 flat stages iirc

Bambaata · 13-03-2019 11:57am

Daroxtar wrote: »

Surely he'll get the nod for the Vuelta so? This year doesn't have as many insane mountain stages and the last week has 3 flat stages iirc

I thought I read somewhere that Sagan is also likely for that. Sagan will always gets whatever he wants with them.

Junior · 13-03-2019 1:33pm

Bambaata wrote: »

I thought I read somewhere that Sagan is also likely for that. Sagan will always gets whatever he wants with them.

Sagan has normally used the Vuelta as prep for the Worlds. If this isn't a focus for him anymore he might not do it. There was lots of talk of him doing Giro/Tour as RCS were waving lots of cash in his face, but there's a Tour of California clash.

Mightn't seem a major thing, but Spesh are a major backer of his and want him stateside.

CramCycle · 13-03-2019 2:05pm

Junior wrote: »

Mightn't seem a major thing, but Spesh are a major backer of his and want him stateside.

They are paying his wages so if thats where they want him, that is where he will be. For the wages he is getting, he would be a fool to do anything else.

MPFGLB · 13-03-2019 5:09pm

CramCycle wrote: »

They are paying his wages so if thats where they want him, that is where he will be. For the wages he is getting, he would be a fool to do anything else.

Its not what is,its what is best ...The debate is that they need to send him where he will win with the most prestige ...hence the Giro or the Tour ...Its not just about wages where he can possible get alot more at another team and win GT stages

You sound like the kind of guy who dampens every debate with a quote from the University of the Bleeding Obvious

doiredoire · 13-03-2019 5:10pm

Daroxtar wrote: »

Surely he'll get the nod for the Vuelta so? This year doesn't have as many insane mountain stages and the last week has 3 flat stages iirc

His contract is up this year so he is very likely to switch teams. If he does that he is very unlikely to ride the Vuelta

CramCycle · 13-03-2019 5:23pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Its not what is,its what is best ...The debate is that they need to send him where he will win with the most prestige ...hence the Giro or the Tour ...Its not just about wages where he can possible get alot more at another team and win GT stages

You sound like the kind of guy who dampens every debate with a quote from the University of the Bleeding Obvious

I am talking about Sagan, not Bennet. Sagan is pretty much paid a huge sum directly out of Specializes pocket.

MPFGLB · 13-03-2019 5:27pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I am talking about Sagan, not Bennet. Sagan is pretty much paid a huge sum directly out of Specializes pocket.

Oops Sorry

RobFowl · 13-03-2019 6:45pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

You sound like the kind of guy who dampens every debate with a quote from the University of the Bleeding Obvious

Such a sexist comment...

MPFGLB · 13-03-2019 7:03pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Such a sexist comment...

Touche

:D:D:D

Beasty · 13-03-2019 7:03pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Such a sexist comment...

And you sound like the sort of guy/gal living off past glories

Up the Munchen!

:pac:

Weepsie · 13-03-2019 10:12pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Its not what is,its what is best ...The debate is that they need to send him where he will win with the most prestige ...hence the Giro or the Tour ...Its not just about wages where he can possible get alot more at another team and win GT stages

German company backing an up and coming German sprinter in a prestigious GC is likely what's best for them and that's what they're going with

gman2k · 15-03-2019 6:29pm

<Snip>

Keep spoilers to the race thread for a while at least!

RobFowl · 15-03-2019 6:55pm

Beasty wrote: »

And you sound like the sort of guy/gal living off past glories

Up the Munchen!

:pac:

3:1 to the Good Guys and

2 for the Sam

Junior · 15-03-2019 7:29pm

Weepsie wrote: »

German company backing an up and coming German sprinter in a prestigious GC is likely what's best for them and that's what they're going with

Just on that, Denk is very aware of ROI and engagement with his home audience. Although I think it maybe a little short sighted, I think he needs to look beyond national borders.

This is a good piece on how he sees sponsorship - https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/6122/the-changing-face-of-pro-cycling-team-sponsorship

It looks like that even if Ackermann just places in stages it's somewhat more valuable than a win from Bennett.

gman2k · 19-03-2019 8:04pm

Sam and Pete are on the squad for MSR this Saturday, so we'll see the support strategy there!

Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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