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[Article] Eircom to cut off Music File Sharers ..

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  • #402
    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    telemakus wrote: »
    i re-read it, i understood at it!!

    tinfoil hat wearer, sad, drunk etc! - even more interesting you guys!! Such hostility!!! its amusing!

    it sounds like the russian vodka is nearly fineeshed.:p


  • #403
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    you expect us to have bought some of your music?


  • #404
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    yoshytoshy wrote: »
    Laziness i'm referring to is that of getting cd's out as oppose to listening to music I've ripped to the pc.
    I've not ever tried internet radio (apart from RTE),sounds like a great idea.
    I do like to listen through albums though ,even if I don't like them I like to make my own opinion on them. It's very hard online to do this I feel ,with all the protection and bitterness towards listeners/customers.:(

    It is desperately hard to get a cd out ok and put it into a cd player and as for the weight of that remote control!:rolleyes: And then there was that exhausting journey to the record shop to buy it!

    http://www.shoutcast.com/

    http://www.npr.org/music/

    Just two amazing links and they will conserve your energy!

    And where exactly is this bitterness towards customers/listeners?


  • #405
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    telemakus wrote: »
    I can appreciate that fact! So what im wondering is you think that the UK is wrong in NOT kicking people off the internet? I mean if you really want to get your royalty's!! (which is your entitlement, and im not disputing that)

    Kicking people of the Internet, implementing a nationally embarrasing 3 strike logic - is not the way for you to get your royalties!

    Thats my point! Not really tinfoil hat material to be honest!! (especially since these people have just agreed to it)

    Nationally embarassing? would you please cop yourself on?

    I presume you would have no problem then with sharing your internet connection with your neighbours if they found some way into it? Or if a hacker found his way into your pc and shared some of your personal details with himself and a few friends? Or if you come home someday and find your place empty because somebody has taken upon themselves to share your property on a permanent basis.


  • #406
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    telemakus wrote: »
    I can appreciate that fact! So what im wondering is you think that the UK is wrong in NOT kicking people off the internet? I mean if you really want to get your royalty's!! (which is your entitlement, and im not disputing that)

    Kicking people of the Internet, implementing a nationally embarrasing 3 strike logic - is not the way for you to get your royalties!

    Thats my point! Not really tinfoil hat material to be honest!! (especially since these people have just agreed to it)

    I think that it needs to be explained to people that Downloading Unlicensed Copyrighted Material is a crime.

    Committing a crime in a modern society should have consequences.

    I think what's happening now is -

    1. Eircom are tacitly admitting that they are party to this illegal activity - or at very least acknowledging that they are not unconnected to it, even that a significant step for an ISP.

    2. A punishment must be administered to repeat offenders in order to encourage curtailing such activities.

    The fine details I think will be chopped and changed over the coming years. This, I believe is only the start.


  • #407
    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    dub45 wrote: »
    It is desperately hard to get a cd out ok and put it into a cd player and as for the weight of that remote control!:rolleyes: And then there was that exhausting journey to the record shop to buy it!

    http://www.shoutcast.com/

    http://www.npr.org/music/

    Just two amazing links and they will conserve your energy!

    And where exactly is this bitterness towards customers/listeners?

    It's far easier to have music on file in a pc and call it up as opposed to rooting through hundreds of cds.Unless of course you have a B&O stereo and the pleasure is in the waving the hand:p

    I've tried apple and I hate the operation ,the only time online I buy is from a site !K7.COM , some of the stuff is crap but they genuinely try and get people out on label ,with all types of styles.
    To be honest I don't really use the pc for music as much as I'd like to ,it was when I bought an apple ipod when things went sour on the pc.

    Thanks for the links


  • #408
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    FruitLover wrote: »

    ..........................
    You may as well blame that on the likes of Amazon, Play and (legal) commercial mp3 sites. I'm not convinced in the slightest that high-street media shops losing money is down to piracy.

    Case in point:

    Number of records and CDs I've bought in the last year:
    zero

    Number of mp3s I've bought in the last year:
    probably around 50

    I don't doubt that Amazon and general online purchasing have played a role in the demise of the bricks and mortar store be it large or small but the fact is that the sales of cds have fallen rapidly even with the presence of Amazon.


  • #409
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    dub45 wrote: »
    Nationally embarassing? would you please cop yourself on?

    I presume you would have no problem then with sharing your internet connection with your neighbours if they found some way into it? Or if a hacker found his way into your pc and shared some of your personal details with himself and a few friends? Or if you come home someday and find your place empty because somebody has taken upon themselves to share your property on a permanent basis.


    Well you just defeated your own argument there! The only people it seems intent on fiddling with my internet connection! And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!! And YOUR 100% correct. Its not right! Hence my annoyance!

    If you read boing-boing, theregister etc, they describe it as an embarrassment! And it is! So maybe you can email those editors as well, and ask them to cop on also!

    Actually tell the British Minister that stopped Britains 3strikes rule, that they need to cop on also!!!


  • #410
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    I think that it needs to be explained to people that Downloading Unlicensed Copyrighted Material is a crime.

    Committing a crime in a modern society should have consequences.

    I think what's happening now is -

    1. Eircom are tacitly admitting that they are party to this illegal activity - or at very least acknowledging that they are not unconnected to it, even that a significant step for an ISP.

    2. A punishment must be administered to repeat offenders in order to encourage curtailing such activities.

    The fine details I think will be chopped and changed over the coming years. This, I believe is only the start.


    Yes i agree with you, this is just the start, and that's what is worrisome!


  • #411
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    yoshytoshy wrote: »
    It's far easier to have music on file in a pc and call it up as opposed to rooting through hundreds of cds.Unless of course you have a B&O stereo and the pleasure is in the waving the hand:p

    I've tried apple and I hate the operation ,the only time online I buy is from a site !K7.COM , some of the stuff is crap but they genuinely try and get people out on label ,with all types of styles.
    To be honest I don't really use the pc for music as much as I'd like to ,it was when I bought an apple ipod when things went sour on the pc.

    Thanks for the links

    Yes it is an interesting change in habits that virtually no one sits and listens to music any more in an active way (as distinct I know from people sitting in cars and sharing their thumping bass with the rest of society). Sales of hi fi have dropped sharply as well.

    Hard to believe that no so long ago (relatively speaking anyway) whole families gathered around a radio to listen to important and not so important broadcasts.

    http://images.google.ie/images?q=family%20listening%20to%20radio&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi


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  • #412
    FruitLover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    dub45 wrote: »
    I don't doubt that Amazon and general online purchasing have played a role in the demise of the bricks and mortar store be it large or small but the fact is that the sales of cds have fallen rapidly even with the presence of Amazon.

    Along with Amazon, people are buying music from the likes of iTunes, Beatport, etc. When I can buy a new track on mp3 for €2, versus €8 for the same track on vinyl (or €5 for the CD (if it's even available)), it's not hard to see why people buy online instead of in brick-and-mortar shops.
    telemakus wrote: »
    The only people it seems intent on fiddling with my internet connection! And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!! And YOUR 100% correct. Its not right! Hence my annoyance!

    Holy Christ. I don't have the energy right now to deal with a troll of your calibre, so I'm going to put you on ignore. I'll check again tomorrow to see if your ribbitings have become entertaining once more.


  • #413
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    There's also another element to Illegal Downloading apart from the direct income loss.

    If one can't make money from recording then ...... why record?


    And even if one does want to record (as a Musical Calling Card for example, effectively what singles are ) then where does one do it?

    Basic stuff can be done at home - but for anything complex a studio is needed, but they're closing all the time due to lack of business.

    The likely effect of no Album sales will eventually be ...............No Albums.

    Classic Rock stations 24/7 anyone? 'Don't stop believin' ..............ad infinitum"


  • #414
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    telemakus wrote: »
    And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!!

    If you're an eircom customer, then they already have your details, you would have given them over already, so no need for them to steal anything. IMRO will be given details if, and when, a court order is issued, as has happened in the past. Again, no stealing necessary.


  • #415
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    telemakus wrote: »
    Well you just defeated your own argument there! The only people it seems intent on fiddling with my internet connection! And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!! And YOUR 100% correct. Its not right! Hence my annoyance!

    If you read boing-boing, theregister etc, they describe it as an embarrassment! And it is! So maybe you can email those editors as well, and ask them to cop on also!

    Actually tell the British Minister that stopped Britains 3strikes rule, that they need to cop on also!!!


    If you had read any of the posts in the thread before now which attempted to explain what has been agreed you would have realised (but then again there are none so blind etc etc) that no one will be 'stealing' your personal details.

    You are concerned about some non existent threat to your personal details and you have no concern whatsoever about the personal creations, work and intellectual property of the musicians that you are 'sharing' willy nilly.


  • #416
    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    dub45 wrote: »
    Yes it is an interesting change in habits that virtually no one sits and listens to music any more in an active way (as distinct I know from people sitting in cars and sharing their thumping bass with the rest of society). Sales of hi fi have dropped sharply as well.

    Hard to believe that no so long ago (relatively speaking anyway) whole families gathered around a radio to listen to important and not so important broadcasts.

    http://images.google.ie/images?q=family%20listening%20to%20radio&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

    The radio deserves a funky revival alright ,some jivin on a sunday eve with twistin ankles galore:pac:
    I got myself a decent set of senheisser earphones hd595 ,sound on the pc is cracking through them. I find with good phones i have more time for music while using the pc.
    sorry for going ot.:o


  • #417
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    FruitLover wrote: »
    Along with Amazon, people are buying music from the likes of iTunes, Beatport, etc. When I can buy a new track on mp3 for €2, versus €8 for the same track on vinyl (or €5 for the CD (if it's even available)), it's not hard to see why people buy online instead of in brick-and-mortar shops.

    Yes but the two 'legal' ways of accessing music don't make up for the very large gap caused by downloading.


  • #418
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    There's also another element to Illegal Downloading apart from the direct income loss.

    If one can't make money from recording then ...... why record?

    And even if one does want to record (as a Musical Calling Card for example, effectively what singles are ) then where does one do it?

    Basic stuff can be done at home - but for anything complex a studio is needed, but they're closing all the time due to lack of business.

    The likely effect of no Album sales will eventually be No Albums ....

    Classic Rock stations 24/7 anyone?

    your supposed to create music for the love of creating it Mr Brewer! Or am i talking to Lars from Metallica here!

    And Radiohead would disagree with you! But then they are famous and musically important.

    Even Lars from metallica would disagree with you point of view on the need for making money...i mean music at this point!


  • #419
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    There's also another element to Illegal Downloading apart from the direct income loss.

    If one can't make money from recording then ...... why record?


    And even if one does want to record (as a Musical Calling Card for example, effectively what singles are ) then where does one do it?

    Basic stuff can be done at home - but for anything complex a studio is needed, but they're closing all the time due to lack of business.

    The likely effect of no Album sales will eventually be ...............No Albums.

    Classic Rock stations 24/7 anyone? 'Don't stop believin' ..............ad infinitum"

    I agree totally - I was trying to make this point earlier in the thread that it is not just about musicians being affected but there are loads of other people in the industry who have given their lives to music and with less and less people wiling to pay for music these people will find their livelihoods threatened thats if they have not already lost their jobs.


  • #420
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    telemakus wrote: »
    your supposed to create music for the love of creating it .....................

    And who laid down this edict pray tell us?


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  • #421
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    dub45 wrote: »
    If you had read any of the posts in the thread before now which attempted to explain what has been agreed you would have realised (but then again there are none so blind etc etc) that no one will be 'stealing' your personal details.

    You are concerned about some non existent threat to your personal details and you have no concern whatsoever about the personal creations, work and intellectual property of the musicians that you are 'sharing' willy nilly.

    who said i share music! I dont really download either aint bought a cd in years! Last album i got on itunes!

    I really, like the vast majority of non mods here, dont have any concern for people who have no concern about my kicking me off the internet!!! Which no other major market had the stupidity to enforce!

    If someone is struck off after 3strikes!! They will receive a letter etc! Details will have to be got!


  • #422
    java
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭java


    telemakus wrote: »
    The only people it seems intent on fiddling with my internet connection! And stealing my personal details would be IMRO and Eircom!!!

    Despite it being said many, many times in this long thread, you still fail to understand. IMRO will NOT have access to your personal details. Eircom, if you are a customer, will already have your details.

    I think its time to stop feeding the trolls.


  • #423
    akenny01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭akenny01


    Cabaal
    you missed my point, but If you think the biggest reason for ppl buying broadband in ireland is for work and online gaming, you must be kidding,

    Yes I use it for online gaming also,
    hmm, think of all the teens etc that get laptops at christmas, they dont just buy it for bebo/facebook

    sure ill download a few songs off LW , what harm will it do, thats everyones tought,

    Take my point :)


  • #424
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    telemakus wrote: »
    your supposed to create music for the love of creating it Mr Brewer!


    Indeed, however I doubt your point isn't without a hint of irony.

    To record it properly to a high standard costs. I'm not talking hobbyists I'm talking serious artists.

    If you want a world class producer/engineer/band/studio bills must be paid.


  • #425
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    There's also another element to Illegal Downloading apart from the direct income loss.

    If one can't make money from recording then ...... why record?


    And even if one does want to record (as a Musical Calling Card for example, effectively what singles are ) then where does one do it?

    Basic stuff can be done at home - but for anything complex a studio is needed, but they're closing all the time due to lack of business.

    The likely effect of no Album sales will eventually be ...............No Albums.

    Classic Rock stations 24/7 anyone? 'Don't stop believin' ..............ad infinitum"
    People record to advetise their music. If they don't record, then nobody will ever hear about them... and who's gonna go to a concert to see somebody that they never heard before?? Exactly.


  • #426
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    akenny01 wrote: »
    Cabaal


    sure ill download a few songs off LW , what harm will it do, thats everyones tought,



    Sure if everyone did that, what harm would it do? $69 Billion thats what!!


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  • #427
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    dub45 wrote: »
    And who laid down this edict pray tell us?


    Dylan, the stones, the Beatles, (Lennon AND McCartney, harrison and Starr) Nirvana, Foo FIghters, Bonjovi, (believe it or not) - I could go on and on!

    Actually, other than Lars from metallica (who has since changed his tune) and yourself i dont know anyone that does NOT follow that edict, or at least pretends to!!!


    But I understand that Celine Dions Accountants did share your views, but Celine herself said she enjoys making music for the thrill of making music and that the rewards are secondary! SO, even the most money grabbing of artistes share my edict!

    But i see your marketing niche there!!


  • #428
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Indeed, however I doubt your point isn't without a hint of irony.

    To record it properly to a high standard costs. I'm not talking hobbyists I'm talking serious artists.

    If you want a world class producer/engineer/band/studio bills must be paid.

    Not to mention the occasional sandwich for the musician to feed his love of the music.

    Dave Douglas, a well known jazz trumpeter, http://www.davedouglas.com/
    told a story in an interview a while ago of a guy who came up to him with a cdr of one of his albums and asked him to autograph it!!! Needless to say Mr. Douglas was not impressed!.


  • #429
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    akenny01 wrote: »
    Cabaal
    you missed my point, but If you think the biggest reason for ppl buying broadband in ireland is for work and online gaming, you must be kidding,

    Yes I use it for online gaming also,
    hmm, think of all the teens etc that get laptops at christmas, they dont just buy it for bebo/facebook

    sure ill download a few songs off LW , what harm will it do, thats everyones tought,

    Take my point :)
    You may as well take it IF you are older than say..... 22..ish. Coz it is likely that peers of above that age have no idea of the scale that teens download. I'm 20 and in college, and people are even downloding in lectures!! Why? because 1) there's more bandwith in college, and 2) it's late and i forget.


  • #430
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Unregistered. wrote: »
    People record to advetise their music. If they don't record, then nobody will ever hear about them... and who's gonna go to a concert to see somebody that they never heard before?? Exactly.

    Unregistered - are you anyway involved in music? Or have any idea how the music business operates?

    Anyway, I'm taking the Thread Off Topic for which I apologise.

    The Criminals will always find away to excuse their crimes.

    Back to Eircom?


  • #431
    akenny01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭akenny01


    I didnt say its my tought, I said its what they thing,
    ' the people buying broadband for it ' its a disgrace
    any to be honest, they wont stop it what ever they try unless they shut down the internet lol, there is always be a way,

    and if you dont agree, then you just dont know the power of it


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  • #432
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    akenny01 wrote: »
    I didnt say its my tought, I said its what they thing,
    ' the people buying broadband for it ' its a disgrace
    any to be honest, they wont stop it what ever they try unless they shut down the internet lol, there is always be a way,

    and if you dont agree, then you just dont know the power of it

    well said akenny01 :)


  • #433
    TheDeficit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭TheDeficit


    Can someone please tell me why Eircom would agree to this, what do they stand to gain? I read that they actually used to advertise on some of the torrent sites. What a joke. Anyway, all i need to know is will newsgroups be targeted cause I'm never going to stop downloading.


  • #434
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Unregistered - are you anyway involved in music? Or have any idea how the music business operates?
    YES! and before you go patronising, wake up and realise that the way the music industry operates will have to change or those greddy bigwigs are just gonna lose mo and mo money! If you think that they can do anything to minisculely reverse the numbers of people filesharing in the furture - then you need to open your eyes. There was always a sense of inevitability about this, the technology was out there so it had to happen! And technology rarely takes a step backwards.


  • #435
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    akenny01 wrote: »
    I didnt say its my tought, I said its what they thing,
    ' the people buying broadband for it ' its a disgrace
    any to be honest, they wont stop it what ever they try unless they shut down the internet lol, there is always be a way,

    and if you dont agree, then you just dont know the power of it

    A witty riposte from Akenny - even allowing for dreadful spelling and grammar.

    The Internet is no longer the freeform network it once was. The likes of Google and specifically Apple, regarding this thread , now have powers to shape the net and what's on it.

    You may remember the the above mentioned Google censoring China's access to information at least for a while.

    Might I respectfully suggest it is you who 'dont know the power of it'


  • #436
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Unregistered. wrote: »
    And technology rarely takes a step backwards.

    Clamping down on thieves will be a Technological step FORWARD ...


  • #437
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Anyway I won't be stepping out of the warm confines of the Music Prod Forum again for a while - Goodnight to you all!


  • #438
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Clamping down on thieves will be a Technological step FORWARD ...
    Trying to get people to pay for music is what i was refering to. They would have been better of trying to prevent manufacture of ANY device capable of playing compressed audio. I mean - who records there own music, at home, in an MP3 file format?
    If there were no devices to compressed audio, then things would be different (as bandwidth would somewhat hinder transferring whole CD's, but not eliminate it)


  • #439
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    A witty riposte from Akenny - even allowing for dreadful spelling and grammar.

    The Internet is no longer the freeform network it once was. The likes of Google and specifically Apple, regarding this thread , now have powers to shape the net and what's on it.

    You may remember the the above mentioned Google censoring China's access to information.

    Might I respectfully suggest it is you who 'dont know the power of it'


    Im sorry Paul Brewer, you cant respectfully talk to people like that!! Google did censor china and if we dont want IMRO and their like and mindset, to do that to us! We need to do something simple! DISAGREE with them. Thats all.

    Calling people Sad, stupid, whatever, pointing out bad grammar (you've made typos as well) is not going to do anything good at all. It says more about you than the person your mocking!


  • #440
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    telemakus wrote: »
    Im sorry Paul Brewer, you cant respectfully talk to people like that

    You'd prefer I disrespectfully spoke? Once I'm civil and obey Charter rules I and you, can say what I like!

    Excuse my Typos...


  • #441
    Unregistered.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    You'd prefer I disrespectfully spoke?

    Excuse my Typos!
    You are mean. :mad:


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  • #442
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Unregistered. wrote: »
    You are mean. :mad:

    One plays the game to win! I'm off to bed .... see yez


  • #443
    big_show
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭big_show


    rapidshare, zshare etc. FTW


  • #444
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    One plays the game to win! I'm off to bed .... see yez

    if that constitutes a win paulbrewer you are the General of a very small and insignificant army!


  • #445
    AntiRip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭AntiRip


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Clamping down on thieves will be a Technological step FORWARD ...

    Am I a thief if I listen to music on youtube and other streaming sites?


  • #446
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    dub45 wrote: »
    A hammer is not an illegal instrument. What you do with it may be illegal. These tools are neutral just as limewire is and so on. The use they are put to is what matters.

    And as for 'punishing' people. Attempting to protect copyrighted material is now punishment for people?

    The same applies to internet access. It's a tool and Eircom cannot be responsible for what people do with it anymore than a hardware store can be responsible for what I use a hammer for. If Eircom had continued with the case they would have won as has happened in other jurisdictions - they cannot be responsible for what I do.

    And to DeV - the libel law argument is totally different - Boards.ie is the publisher of articles (posts) and can be held responsible for what I say - **** law I agree and needs to be changed but that's what it is right now.

    But when I'm paying for a service to an ISP what I do with that service is my responsibility. They can quote their T&Cs all they like - if they catch me downloading illegally fine - but to accept an accusation from a third party with no right of appeal, no right of defence, not even a right to face your accuser, is wrong and would not stand up in any court of law. It's the equivalent of somebody up the street calling the local council and saying that I put my household rubbish in their bin to avoid paying my own bin charge. The council would not take that at face value - they would inspect the rubbish and if, and only if, they found something belonging to me (a bill/letter etc) would they take any action. They certainly wouldn't simply accept the word of a third party without corroborating evidence.


  • #447
    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    One plays the game to win! I'm off to bed .... see yez

    Thats a funny post in this thread:pac:


  • #448
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    Macros42 wrote: »
    The same applies to internet access. It's a tool and Eircom cannot be responsible for what people do with it anymore than a hardware store can be responsible for what I use a hammer for. If Eircom had continued with the case they would have won as has happened in other jurisdictions - they cannot be responsible for what I do.

    And to DeV - the libel law argument is totally different - Boards.ie is the publisher of articles (posts) and can be held responsible for what I say - **** law I agree and needs to be changed but that's what it is right now.

    But when I'm paying for a service to an ISP what I do with that service is my responsibility. They can quote their T&Cs all they like - if they catch me downloading illegally fine - but to accept an accusation from a third party with no right of appeal, no right of defence, not even a right to face your accuser, is wrong and would not stand up in any court of law. It's the equivalent of somebody up the street calling the local council and saying that I put my household rubbish in their bin to avoid paying my own bin charge. The council would not take that at face value - they would inspect the rubbish and if, and only if, they found something belonging to me (a bill/letter etc) would they take any action. They certainly wouldn't simply accept the word of a third party without corroborating evidence.


    I applaud your post! I agree!


  • #449
    telemakus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭telemakus


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    Clamping down on thieves will be a Technological step FORWARD ...

    At the expense of your audience!!


  • #450
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    telemakus wrote: »
    TECHNICALLY you are correct! But in reality its not how things work. Communism on paper is a great idea. In practice...epic Misery!

    Moderator or not, i disagree absolutely!

    Why are moderators, pushing THEIR view, which amazingly, agrees and is on message with the record companies on this, i find that interesting.

    Because it's the law! It's called copyright law - trying googling it. :rolleyes:

    I'm not, and neither is Cabaal, on a high horse here - I'm no innocent when it comes to downloading movies/music/tv shows and I'm not alone. But don't try to dress it up in something it's not - it is illegal. If you can't see that then I despair for you. You can use all the justifications you like - you're still breaking the law when you download copyrighted material - and if you're using P2P then you're break the law twice - once for downloading and once for distributing.


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  • #451
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    AntiRip wrote: »
    It's true what the previous poster said above about mods here. I'm not trying or twist anything. I'm not saying it's not illegal or anything. Lets leave it at that.
    I'm going to say right here that the mods have been very, very lenient so far and fair play to them. There have been a lot of borderline posts which have been let slide for the sake of the thread continuing.

    Regardless of what you and the previous poster said they are not in the employ of the record companies or pushing the record companies agends - they are just posters like you and me with opinions of their own and they have made very valid comments. I'm sure if you asked nicely they could actually moderate this thread strictly - but then it would drop to about 50% of the current size. But I would suggest that you read their posts more carefully - because as far as I can see they have not said anything inaccurate so far - I've differed in opinion with them occasionally but when it comes to facts they have not been wrong. You really need to understand the difference between fact and opinion.


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