[Article] Eircom to cut off Music File Sharers ..

watty

Google "virtual audio cable"

The issue is not really people recording or transcribing their own CDs/DVDs for their own use but stopping the high volume sharers.

barnicles

Wincest is best! wrote: »

I hope you get disconnected first for being such a knob jockey. Crappy quality music is not what most of us wish to listen to.

The actions of these 3rd party's in gaining the required information through possible dodgy/illegal methods is question for concern. However there is always hope that someone might dump a database of several months worth of emails and internal software up on torrent... isint there MediaSentury.

That was MediaDefender.

Anti

apope8 wrote: »

Much easier way to download music.
1) Find a public music video on youtube
2) Download the video using realplayer or something else.
3) Use a program like total video converter to extract the audio as an mp3!

Takes about 2mins altogether!

Done, Dusted, Legal!!!

Ill just leave this here....

Sherifu

apope8 wrote: »

Much easier way to download music.
1) Find a public music video on youtube
2) Download the video using realplayer or something else.
3) Use a program like total video converter to extract the audio as an mp3!

Takes about 2mins altogether!

Done, Dusted, Legal!!!

Has to be a joke, right?

christophicus

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Not really sure how p2p works .... sorry.:o

Is it a pass the parcel type of sharing from machine to machine ?like filehopping ?

If I want a file do I join a circle and wait for the circle to complete to keep the circle going?

Here you go
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=How+does+P2P+work

Sorry man had to be done :P

ZeRoY

watty wrote: »

What! Have 80% of users pay for the downloads of 20%? How is that fair?

No thanks. I for one will not pay an Internet Downloading Tax.

Who said? No, its more: you wish to download movies/musics? Pay the sub. You dont pay and get caught (so monitoring would need to be in place) then you get disconnected.

Watty, you would be safe

yoshytoshy

I deleted as i was making a suggestion ,http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hypothetical

Hank Scorpio

lads anyone have the number for eircoms customer complaint line?

Cant see to find it on there website

watty

ZeRoY wrote: »

Who said? No, its more: you wish to download movies/musics? Pay the sub. You dont pay and get caught (so monitoring would need to be ion place) then you get disconnected.

So how successful is Subscription Radio?

There is already such services, also Amazon and iTunes. However they work out more expensive than buying CDs or are poor quality.

christophicus

yoshytoshy wrote: »

I deleted as i was making a suggestion ,http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hypothetical

:rolleyes:

yoshytoshy

Filehopping and waiting to complete a file from one other user has nothing to do with p2p.

P2P is based on swarms and nothing to do with what i posted. Not that you gave any thought to what i posted.

christophicus

watty wrote: »

So how successful is Subscription Radio?

There is already such services, also Amazon and iTunes. However they work out more expensive than buying CDs or are poor quality.

In all fairness Watty, he does have somewhat of a point. There are loads of people that pay for premium rapidshare accounts and whatnot, so I could easily see people paying for a decent Movie/song download service on a flatrate, if the price was right.

I would agree with you though that the Tax idea is not the best.


@ Yoshytoshy, you were asking if P2P works similarly to "filehopping", my link answered that pretty well, I don't see how it could be any more relavent. This is the last I am posting with regards this little edrama, we are getting off topic.

jor el

nuxxx wrote: »

lads anyone have the number for eircoms customer complaint line?

Cant see to find it on there website

1901

Tazz T

jor el wrote: »

eircom is not a semi state company, it is a private company. I also hope you have some way of backing up these allegations of bribery, as there has been no mention of payments or financial settlements.

Sorry. I'll rephrase that.

Only in Ireland can you come to an 'amicable' settlement with a former state-run monopoly to compell it to disconnect its customers.

christophicus

On the other side of the coin

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/605400/government-abandons-piracy-legislation.html

I realise its not the same thing, but the topics are pretty close, just thought it was funny that they came out at the same time.

ZeRoY

watty wrote: »

So how successful is Subscription Radio?

There is already such services, also Amazon and iTunes. However they work out more expensive than buying CDs or are poor quality.

I still think its worth a try. By the way the idea isnt mine, it comes from France back in 2005-2006.

Right of author: the French representatives legalize the exchanges of files

PARIS (AFP) December 22nd, 2005 - The representatives adopted against all expectation Wednesday evening of amendments legalizing the exchanges of files on internet through the system "peer to peer" (P2P) at the time of the discussion of the law project on the right of author. The assembly adopted, against the opinion of the government, two identical amendments in this direction, presented the one by the representative UMP Alain Suguenot and the other by the representatives socialist by a vote to ballot public by 30 voices for and 28 voices against. These amendments to the first item of the law project, item devoted to the exceptions to the right of author, spread to the internet the exceptions for copies deprived in provident in compensation a remuneration of the artists. That comes back to to authorize the copies for non commercial usages and therefore the downloading by exchange files of films or of music by the system P2P. This vote questions all the architecture of the law project defended by the minister of the Culture Renaud Donnedieu of Vabres of which the heart aimed exactly to legitimize the technical measures preventing the exchanges of files and to penalize the contournement of these measures. The representative Christian Paul congratulated itself for this vote "months result of work". "This the essential element of a global license" he added in the corridors of the national assembly. The socialists propose exactly a system of "global or legal license" that would allow, with payment, a downloading on internet. Several representatives of the ump of which Christine Boutin and Alain Suguenot defend equally this "global license". The law project on the right of author gives rise to multiples worries with the netsurfers, the associations of consumers, the journalists and the university ones and divides equally leave them.

apope8

PaddyTheNth wrote: »

Pretty crap music quality though.

To be honest, Its not!! If you notice alot of youtube videos give you the option to watch in high quality now! So the ones that i have done it with are near indistinguishable from other mp3's i have!

Hank Scorpio

When i get off my IPOD with high br MP3s then go to youtube and listen to music im thinking " Christ, i never realised the quality was so poor "

watty

apope8 wrote: »

To be honest, Its not!! If you notice a lot of youtube videos give you the option to watch in high quality now! So the ones that i have done it with are near indistinguishable from other mp3's i have!

Your other MP3s must be poor, or headphones poor?

20goto10

Just a thought, but are they legally entitled to disconnect you without providing any evidence? I know they can put it in their terms and conditions but is that enough? Its like any contract, you can put what you like in it but actually enforcing it is another story.

I'm not a solicitor but I've a strong feeling that when it comes to the threat of disconnection it will simply take a letter back to them asking them to prove it, and that will be the end of it because there's nothing they can do at that stage.

I'm not with Eircom but if my provider does the same deal I'll certainly be testing it out. Worst case scenario is I will have to change ISP, and chances are there is going to be one or two who do not take up the deal.

apope8

watty wrote: »

Your other MP3s must be poor, or headphones poor?

HAHA chill out lads it was just a suggestion! Doesn't mean you have to do it!!! Wow some really high strung people in boards today!! Smile!!!!

PaddyTheNth

apope8 wrote: »

To be honest, Its not!! If you notice alot of youtube videos give you the option to watch in high quality now! So the ones that i have done it with are near indistinguishable from other mp3's i have!

Even the high-def videos on youtube only have audio at about 112kb/s, up from about 60kb/s iirc on the regular def.

Try listening to a 112kb/s rip of one of your cds, then listen to a 192kb/s or higher rip...the first one is massively tinny in comparison.

lmimmfn

PaddyTheNth wrote: »

Even the high-def videos on youtube only have audio at about 112kb/s, up from about 60kb/s iirc on the regular def.

Try listening to a 112kb/s rip of one of your cds, then listen to a 192kb/s or higher rip...the first one is massively tinny in comparison.

not only that, its lossy, late packets containing the audio data will be disgarded. They have a new download service which removes but recording from streams gives crap quality, may as well be recording music with a mic off ads on the telly

watty

Meanwhile in the UK, the Record Labels shoot their own feet off
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/isps_music_business/


The ISPs will just make their "fair usage policy" more explicit. You'll need an army of lawyers and deep pockets to fight, as the ISPs will play safe only disconnecting heavy users.

See my sig for details. Keep calm. Don't panic.

barnicles

This thread is a bit big!

watty

And we are Biggering it!

eircom wants to aviod the problems Comcast had, apart from the sheer cost of packet monitoring:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/cox_traffic_delay/

Cox are trying something differerent.

As I said earlier the RIAA motives and ISP motives are different. When the solution "solves" both their "problems", is cheap and isn't illegal, then it's likely to be implemented by all ISPs.

Sudsy86

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Yes they get an ip address, one which is dynamically changing, only Eircom can tie that ip address to a customer at that exact time. Getting an ip adddress is very vague and will not pinpoint anyone.

Eircom use a static IP address...Ur IP address never changes...Please stop stating stupid facts trying to make PPl believe they cannot be monitored...Infact yes they can...They dont need an exact time just ur STATIC IP which they check the log for the info being transfered from this...

Ericom cannot monitor what information you donwload...This is against the law...They can monitor the ammount of info u send i.e how many GB you download in a month...This is why this case was actioned out of court...You cannot under any circumstance monitor what a person uploads or downloads...This is why the police need a warrant to confiscate a persons computer in regards to child pornography cases...

But please dont be wrong its a Static IP and not a Dynamic...

lmimmfn

watty wrote: »

Meanwhile in the UK, the Record Labels shoot their own feet off
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/isps_music_business/

Good atricle, and hes right, if we all could download movies and music at reasonable prices( not an album costing more buying the songs indiviudually on itunes than the retail CD) or subscriptions then there wouldnt be an issue.

The music and movie industry are stuck in the stone age and want to maintain control of what they know, they constantly moan about loss of sales and what not yet arent willing to provide the legal digital distribution channels that we want( i.e. non DRM ). They count every download they can as a loss of sales, yet most folk if they were paying for everything wouldnt buy half the stuff. You could be curious about an album or movie and want to check it out, yet not have any interest whatsoever in paying 10-15 euro for it on CD or DVD.

The market has changed and those idiots need to change with it. Were at an intermediatery with broadband, its not yet fast enough for video on demand yet we'd prefer to be able to download movies rather than drive to the video shop. When video on demand come for the likes of sky this will all be pretty much a non issue

Red Alert

I think people should do a wholesale boycott of Eircom's broadband services for that. Hit them where it hurts to show that the music industry can't be allow do paramilitary-style policing of the internet.

20goto10

watty wrote: »

Meanwhile in the UK, the Record Labels shoot their own feet off
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/isps_music_business/


The ISPs will just make their "fair usage policy" more explicit. You'll need an army of lawyers and deep pockets to fight, as the ISPs will play safe only disconnecting heavy users.

See my sig for details. Keep calm. Don't panic.

I don't agree that heavy users are not liked. Heavy users pay for the top of the range products. Ban downloads and there is no need for anything other than a standard 1mb service.

What is a heavy user anyway? They have caps and fair usage policies, a heavy user would therefore be someone who breaks the fair usage policy. In which case they get throttled. There's no such thing as a heavy user.