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General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

  • 20-08-2020 9:30am
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    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Mod Note 17/12/2020

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    https://www.premierleague.com/news/1754980
    Premier League 2020/21 fixtures released



    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53846138
    Champions Liverpool will face Championship winners Leeds United in the standout opening weekend game of the 2020-21 Premier League season.

    Championship play-off winners Fulham will host Arsenal, while West Bromwich Albion, the third promoted side, are at home to Leicester City.

    The opening round of fixtures will take place on the weekend of 12 September.

    However, Manchester City v Aston Villa and Burnley v Manchester United will be rearranged.

    Those two games will not be played on the opening weekend to give City and United 30 days since their defeats in the quarter-finals of the Champions League and the semi-finals of the Europa League respectively.


    Chelsea and Wolverhampton Wanderers' opening matches are both scheduled for Monday, 14 September after their slightly earlier European exits.

    The Blues are at Brighton, while Wolves go to Sheffield United.

    The other opening weekend fixtures are Crystal Palace v Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur v Everton and West Ham United v Newcastle United.

    Exact dates and kick-off times will be confirmed when the television selections are made. Matches will be played behind closed doors amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    Fixture congestion incoming
    With the season starting a month later than usual because of the Covid-19 pandemic, the games will come thick and fast.

    The upcoming campaign will be five weeks shorter than a standard season because of the late end to 2019-20 - and the winter break has been scrapped.

    Arsenal and Liverpool meet in the Community Shield on 29 August, with players then going on an international break for the Nations League before the Premier League starts.

    Manchester City v Aston Villa could be played on 15 September, with Burnley v Manchester United the following day - although that is yet to be confirmed.

    Those are the dates Premier League clubs not in Europe enter the Carabao Cup at the second round.

    Rounds two to four of that competition, which will involve top-flight sides, will be played midweek on 15-16, 22-23 and 29-30 September.

    Spurs start Europa League qualifying on 17 September and could end up with two first-team matches in the same midweek.

    There are rounds of Premier League games due on 26 December, 28 December and 2 January over the festive period.

    The final league fixtures will be on 23 May 2021 - eight days after the FA Cup final.

    The Champions League final is on 29 May, with the delayed Euro 2020 starting on 11 June.


    2019/20 thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058082314


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Thank goodness the football is back! :D

    There are just 14 games before Christmas, the FA Cup is now a one match per round format


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    Thank goodness the football is back! :D

    There are just 14 games before Christmas, the FA Cup is now a one match per round format

    What was it last season and previously?

    Doesn't feel like a lot but prob cause we've had wall to wall football recently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Hmm, maybe your implied point is correct.

    edit 18 (17 for Liverpool and West Ham due to CWC) last season so 50/50 pre/post Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,264 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    What was it last season and previously?

    Doesn't feel like a lot but prob cause we've had wall to wall football recently.

    It’s usually 18 / 19 games in the Stephens Day fixtures

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Our year was last year, I wonder what this year will bring?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Things im looking forward to this year in this thread;
    • The table that does showing which team is on which points level (thats a bad description but you know the one)
    • Non-tribal bantz
    • PLENTY of Fulham chat (its mostly gonna be commiserating / slagging but sure what can you do)
    • Someone posts a pic of something we all agree with and we still find a way to debate it

    Things im not looking forward to this year in this thread;
    • Net spend chat
    • My da' could beat up your da'; Manager edition
    • Someone saying the league isnt competitive for whatever convoluted reason (most lkely by matchday 2)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Are you dissing the most visually accurate way of representing the points?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Are you dissing the most visually accurate way of representing the points?


    No, the opposite!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Doh it's early in my head. Its certainly good for an argument! :D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    from a quick review of the fixture list I can see the PL regrets giving Liverpool all those dodgy VAR decisions last year putting us away to Chelsea, Everton and Man city in the first few games. Unlikely to be over by Christmas this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Ill take those opening 3 matches (Arsenal H, Leeds A, Villa H).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,198 ✭✭✭Talisman


    West Ham really got shat upon with the opening fixtures.

    Newcastle (H)
    Arsenal (A)
    Wolves (H)
    Leicester (A)
    Tottenham (A)
    Man City (H)
    Liverpool (A)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    How the hell is the new season only 3 weeks away :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    Thank goodness the football is back! :D

    There are just 14 games before Christmas, the FA Cup is now a one match per round format

    Fa cup has always been one match per round


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,352 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Talisman wrote: »
    West Ham really got shat upon with the opening fixtures.

    Newcastle (H)
    Arsenal (A)
    Wolves (H)
    Leicester (A)
    Tottenham (A)
    Man City (H)
    Liverpool (A)

    Ouch. All the big boys and Newcastle as well.

    Edit: United not there.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    brinty wrote: »
    Fa cup has always been one match per round

    I assume he means no replays. Every drawn match goes straight to extra time and pens rather than a replay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭jacool


    Right, that's my Last Man Standing schedule done up to Christmas and didn't have to pick West Ham or WBA :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭dubmick


    bit silly going back to normal tv schedule for the new season with empty stadiums


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think City will win it this season with Liverpool second,

    The big difference for me is no fans ,
    Anfield crowd will be a huge miss in big games for Liverpool ,
    City play with less emotion in there play and thus won't be effected as much,


    That's my two cents


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Any idea when the tv schedule is out? I know Chelsea and Wolves games have to be on the Monday at the earliest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    I think City will win it this season with Liverpool second,

    The big difference for me is no fans ,
    Anfield crowd will be a huge miss in big games for Liverpool ,
    City play with less emotion in there play and thus won't be effected as much,


    That's my two cents

    Liverpool with the best away record for the last 2 seasons :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    The big difference for me is no fans , Anfield crowd will be a huge miss in big games for Liverpool , City play with less emotion in there play and thus won't be effected as much,

    I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement. Not levelling this at Liverpool it applies to all but I'm truly baffled if players can't do a job they're highly paid for because there's no one there singing or applauding them.

    Claiming one team will perform better than another in the same circumstances is a bit of a stretch. Get a grip of yourselves. And the conditions are the same for everyone so there's no advantage.

    As for this Anfield crowd means more. Don't make me sick. Every teams crowd is great when they're winning and poor when they're losing. You don't need to respond on this cos saying anything more, I've my views and you won't change them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,036 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    adaminho wrote: »
    Any idea when the tv schedule is out? I know Chelsea and Wolves games have to be on the Monday at the earliest.

    I'm gonna take a guess that Liverpool v Leeds will be on the Friday night. Sky will be eager for that game, and to have it as the season opener.

    It's PL Champions v Championship Champions, who are coming back after a long break from the PL, which will be a big selling point for them.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    dubmick wrote: »
    bit silly going back to normal tv schedule for the new season with empty stadiums

    Should reduce fixture congestion though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Fitz* wrote: »
    I'm gonna take a guess that Liverpool v Leeds will be on the Friday night. Sky will be eager for that game, and to have it as the season opener.

    It's PL Champions v Championship Champions, who are coming back after a long break from the PL, which will be a big selling point for them.

    Is there a Friday game? I thought the season can't start till the 12th. Open to correction, I'm just glad I'm in the premier league thread after 16 years!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,036 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    adaminho wrote: »
    Is there a Friday game? I thought the season can't start till the 12th. Open to correction, I'm just glad I'm in the premier league thread after 16 years!

    Oh possibly? Not sure if there is restrictions this year, but last season the opener was Liverpool v Norwich on Friday night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    brinty wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement. Not levelling this at Liverpool it applies to all but I'm truly baffled if players can't do a job they're highly paid for because there's no one there singing or applauding them.

    Claiming one team will perform better than another in the same circumstances is a bit of a stretch. Get a grip of yourselves. And the conditions are the same for everyone so there's no advantage.

    As for this Anfield crowd means more. Don't make me sick. Every teams crowd is great when they're winning and poor when they're losing. You don't need to respond on this cos saying anything more, I've my views and you won't change them.

    Your allowed your views ,

    So if we take your view playing home or away is the same ?It gives no advantage ? as you said players are played to do the same job against the same opposition so conditions that match are played around should have no effect ?

    You said "Claiming one team will perform better than another in the same circumstances is a bit of a stretch " what kind of nonsense is that of course you can claim that ? Isn't that why there are favourites and underdogs ?

    Teams play a different kind of football and some are better at home than away, Its just a FACT ,

    Countless world class players have mentioned because of the fans its one of the toughest places in world football , Even Pep said it countless times but there all wrong BRINTY knows best ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,477 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Fitz* wrote: »
    Oh possibly? Not sure if there is restrictions this year, but last season the opener was Liverpool v Norwich on Friday night.

    I do recall seeing something bout no friday game at start of this season. Even the whole thing about the press releases saying pl will return on the 12th would have me thinking it's the Saturday. A 7.45 Saturday kickoff would be perfect, imagine itll be 12.30 though


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    An English football crowd is laughable describing it as a tough place due to the fans. I'd say Palace have the loudest fans in the PL but if you want a mad atmosphere look at the Turks or South Americans etc.

    Pretty much all European football grounds would be more lively than English.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,264 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Baggly wrote: »
    Things im looking forward to this year in this thread;
    • The table that does showing which team is on which points level (thats a bad description but you know the one)
    • Non-tribal bantz
    • PLENTY of Fulham chat (its mostly gonna be commiserating / slagging but sure what can you do)
    • Someone posts a pic of something we all agree with and we still find a way to debate it

    Things im not looking forward to this year in this thread;
    • Net spend chat
    • My da' could beat up your da'; Manager edition
    • Someone saying the league isnt competitive for whatever convoluted reason (most lkely by matchday 2)

    That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    RasTa wrote: »
    An English football crowd is laughable describing it as a tough place due to the fans. I'd say Palace have the loudest fans in the PL but if you want a mad atmosphere look at the Turks or South Americans etc.

    Pretty much all European football grounds would be more lively than English.

    Your correct and thankfully so as football has changed n England to become safer for fans and families .

    But still doesn't change the fact in England some places are tougher to visit than others ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

    Ah I get not the first few but after 5 games instead maybe? 10 is a long time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Your correct and thankfully so as football has changed n England to become safer for fans and families .

    But still doesn't change the fact in England some places are tougher to visit than others ,

    What's that got to do your claim of City play with less emotion and won't be affected?

    Anfield is one of the quite grounds in the PL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

    I want it now just to see Leeds in it :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    West Ham and Man United have really tough starts.

    Could see the hammers in for a long season if they don't pick up early unexpected point's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    pjohnson wrote:
    Ah I get not the first few but after 5 games instead maybe? 10 is a long time.


    Will there be an asterik beside United and city for games in hand ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Champions v Leeds opener :cool:

    Can't wait


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    RasTa wrote: »
    What's that got to do your claim of City play with less emotion and won't be affected?

    Anfield is one of the quite grounds in the PL

    Its not quite during the big games which was my claim see United and City last season , The City home game has been hugely important the last two season ,

    And yes I do believe City play with less emotion in the game hence why there the best side at keeping the ball in England we have probably ever seen ,

    Also don't forget I'm only talking about Liverpool and City as I think they are the only two capable of wining it next year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    6 wrote:
    Champions v Champions opener

    FYP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,399 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    brinty wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement. Not levelling this at Liverpool it applies to all but I'm truly baffled if players can't do a job they're highly paid for because there's no one there singing or applauding them.

    Claiming one team will perform better than another in the same circumstances is a bit of a stretch. Get a grip of yourselves. And the conditions are the same for everyone so there's no advantage.

    As for this Anfield crowd means more. Don't make me sick. Every teams crowd is great when they're winning and poor when they're losing. You don't need to respond on this cos saying anything more, I've my views and you won't change them.

    There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool. You can have your views, you are entitled to be wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool. You can have your views, you are entitled to be wrong.

    The key words there are European games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    brinty wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement.

    I've never understood this and agree. Not recently but in years gone by Liverpool had been strong at home and absolute dirt away. It makes no sense to me that a team plays entirely different away from home but it seems to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,399 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The key words there are European games

    Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

    The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

    The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?

    Yes, even us and Norwich beat City at home. You know yourself the atmosphere in the PL isn't great. City where awful away last season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

    The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?

    No clue as I can't even remember.

    Weekly games are standard. I don't think the crowd make any huge difference personally. Then for big games and occassions I think they play a very small part.

    Going by the logic that fans play a big part would indicate that sh1ter teams will do better because of less pressure from fans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Just to expand, I was only speaking about Liverpool and City as there the only two I think can win it
    I also think the big games will most likely be the difference
    I think City are best suited to them games with no fans because they play with less emotion (which is not a bad thing)
    So in conclusion I think Liverpool will suffer more of the two in home games of having no fans
    I think City will likely win the league


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,036 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Going by the logic that fans play a big part would indicate that sh1ter teams will do better because of less pressure from fans

    Well, the opposite I think.

    The lower table teams would perform better in from of their fans, when games are tighter IMO.

    Imagine a team like Palace, Burnley, Brighton, Villa etc 1-0 up at home in a game against a rival or even a top 6 team. The fans will drive the players on and create a tougher atmosphere in order to try get their team over the line and win the points. The same goes if they are a goal down and fighting for a point etc. A ball goes out for a corner and next thing the whole stand behind the goal gets excited. It does add to to the tension. Some teams do rely on emotion a bit. Stoke did a lot, under Pulis.

    I think lower table teams will do worse without fans, and teams like Man City who dominate the ball will find it easier. Man City won't get intimidated by an empty stadium away from home defending a corner but there is a chance that they would in a full Villa Park on a Monday night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Talisman wrote: »
    West Ham really got shat upon with the opening fixtures.

    Newcastle (H)
    Arsenal (A)
    Wolves (H)
    Leicester (A)
    Tottenham (A)
    Man City (H)
    Liverpool (A)

    Haha take that Karren Brady!

    "the Premier League, will have to be cancelled and this season declared null and void because if the players can’t play the games can’t go ahead"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool.

    In Europe, yes, not sure how people could think otherwise, it's literally always mentioned when we play big European games at home and there's a significant number of examples.

    But the PL is not the same. Not by a long long way. Crowd is rarely a factor and is regularly disappointing at Anfield.


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