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  • #202
    foxcoverteddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭foxcoverteddy


    air2000 read post 186. No one wants to see Waterford fail, read the rest of the post please. we need someone with get up and go, the people of the south east need to support Waterford, and so does the politicians.
    Just look how Waterford is an ideal place for an airport.
    If it was long enough for tour operators surely anyone would prefer Waterford to Cork or Dublin.
    All pull in one direction please.


  • #203
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Off topic
    We've seen this with Germanwings moving from Knock to Shannon.

    No one has actually posted an official confirmation on this.

    On topic.
    I hope there is some light at the end of the tunnel especially for those working in the airport.


  • #204
    man98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    It is on topic of sorts. We are discussing the possible return of services, and I was stating the ease in which an airline can move from one airport to another. While there's no services that WAT could actually rob from anywhere realistically, there's still some hope that something could be announced, especially on the Birmingham route (speculation on my part).


  • #205
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    man98 wrote: »
    It is on topic of sorts. We are discussing the possible return of services, and I was stating the ease in which an airline can move from one airport to another. While there's no services that WAT could actually rob from anywhere realistically, there's still some hope that something could be announced, especially on the Birmingham route (speculation on my part).

    IMO, I cannot see any airline coming into Waterford. Loganair, Stobart, BA and Cityjet are the only other airlines with suitable aircraft, and the chances of them coming in are very slim.

    I do believe there is a small market for flights in Waterford, and the reason I think that there is no flights is all due to the fact that the runway cannot handle jets.


  • #206
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Demand just isn't there. Considering you can't go to London or Manchester
    just spells the end for the airport. The pricing as opposed to Dublin just doesn't work in its favour either.

    Is there a bus company that services the route? Considering now what it costs to travel to Dublin by bus as against what you would pay for a taxi or parking fees at the airport, to me at least it just doesn't make sense.

    I would love to see a successful airport in Waterford but without major destinations on the boards it's just never going to happen.


  • #207
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Is there a bus company that services the route? Considering now what it costs to travel to Dublin by bus as against what you would pay for a taxi or parking fees at the airport, to me at least it just doesn't make sense.

    No bus has served the airport for quite a while.
    A walk-up Bus Eireann fare to Dublin Airport is 20€ ; taxi from Waterford city to the airport is 12€.

    As for parking charges - why any regional airport would charge for parking when they could make just as much money out of non-flying visitors is a mystery to me. Unfortunately, the only people in a position to explain it to me are airport managers who don't charge for their spaces and make that a selling point.


  • #208
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    So any replacement airline interested in Waterford yet?


  • #209
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Yes. But something quite different to what y'all are used to.


  • #210
    Mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭Mini


    Cargo?


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  • #211
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    As for parking charges - why any regional airport would charge for parking when they could make just as much money out of non-flying visitors is a mystery to me. Unfortunately, the only people in a position to explain it to me are airport managers who don't charge for their spaces and make that a selling point.

    What airports do not charge for car parking?
    why any regional airport would charge for parking

    Possibly to subsidise low yielding/lossmaking airline operations?

    Fire cover; heat and light all cost money (for some silly reason the workers like to be paid too).


  • #212
    reni10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭reni10


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Yes. But something quite different to what y'all are used to.

    And what is that then?


  • #213
    Teebor15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Teebor15


    CelticRambler, since you would not answer my question on the other thread but have popped up here instead I'll ask again.

    You have been posting your ideas since 2011 and claiming that unlike Waterford, other airports/regions were very keen on your proposals and that Waterford/South east were looking a gift horse in the mouth and were going to miss the boat big time as lots of other airports/regions were lining up to do business with you if Waterford didn't play ball. Since then or ever even have you or your 'company' operated flights to other airports/regions in Ireland or Europe?


  • #214
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Your question has been answered: the airport (any airport) provides access to a strip of tarmac suitable for aircraft to land and take off. Without radical commercial imagination, that's the beginning and the end of what an airport can offer. Our group of businesses involves the exchange of goods, ideas, services and people between different regions, and yes, we have being moving these by air (and land and sea) for a couple of decades.

    Well before 2011, we identified Waterford as the ideal airport for trialling a new business model, but as the model is based on normal commercial operations - not the kind of fantasy figures that are considered normal in aviation economics - we needed the full cooperation of the local population. Until very recently, that was completely lacking in Waterford. Not the airport, but the local community, and only Waterford - not Wexford/Kilkenny/etc. In the last three months of 2014, however, that suddenly changed and we do now have the critical mass of interested parties that we need, bearing in mind that there are always two ends to any route and both markets have to be ready at the same time.

    In addition, following the recent break-up of a dinosaur airline, we have the cooperation of an AOC partner with a bit of imagination and a willingness to do things our way (up to a point :) ) which means we can finally move forward with this, create new opportunities for others aswell as not waste so much time sending our own people and products by road to airports that are in the wrong place (e.g. Dublin, Paris, London ...)


  • #215
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Your question has been answered: the airport (any airport) provides access to a strip of tarmac suitable for aircraft to land and take off. Without radical commercial imagination, that's the beginning and the end of what an airport can offer. Our group of businesses involves the exchange of goods, ideas, services and people between different regions, and yes, we have being moving these by air (and land and sea) for a couple of decades.

    Well before 2011, we identified Waterford as the ideal airport for trialling a new business model, but as the model is based on normal commercial operations - not the kind of fantasy figures that are considered normal in aviation economics - we needed the full cooperation of the local population. Until very recently, that was completely lacking in Waterford. Not the airport, but the local community, and only Waterford - not Wexford/Kilkenny/etc. In the last three months of 2014, however, that suddenly changed and we do now have the critical mass of interested parties that we need, bearing in mind that there are always two ends to any route and both markets have to be ready at the same time.

    In addition, following the recent break-up of a dinosaur airline, we have the cooperation of an AOC partner with a bit of imagination and a willingness to do things our way (up to a point :) ) which means we can finally move forward with this, create new opportunities for others aswell as not waste so much time sending our own people and products by road to airports that are in the wrong place (e.g. Dublin, Paris, London ...)

    I have been reading your posts on aviation forum regarding this. I hope it works out for you and if so I look forward to seeing your planes come into the airport. Unless its a complete loss leader I cant see it as being anythingbbut positive.


  • #216
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    dzilla wrote: »
    I have been reading your posts on aviation forum regarding this. I hope it works out for you and if so I look forward to seeing your planes come into the airport. Unless its a complete loss leader I cant see it as being anythingbbut positive.
    I have followed Celticrambler's postings on boards.ie about his proposal with interest.

    You allude to more details posted on another forum.
    I would be interested in having a read.
    Can you post a link?


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  • #217
    CantGetNoSleep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,271 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Your question has been answered: the airport (any airport) provides access to a strip of tarmac suitable for aircraft to land and take off. Without radical commercial imagination, that's the beginning and the end of what an airport can offer. Our group of businesses involves the exchange of goods, ideas, services and people between different regions, and yes, we have being moving these by air (and land and sea) for a couple of decades.

    Well before 2011, we identified Waterford as the ideal airport for trialling a new business model, but as the model is based on normal commercial operations - not the kind of fantasy figures that are considered normal in aviation economics - we needed the full cooperation of the local population. Until very recently, that was completely lacking in Waterford. Not the airport, but the local community, and only Waterford - not Wexford/Kilkenny/etc. In the last three months of 2014, however, that suddenly changed and we do now have the critical mass of interested parties that we need, bearing in mind that there are always two ends to any route and both markets have to be ready at the same time.

    In addition, following the recent break-up of a dinosaur airline, we have the cooperation of an AOC partner with a bit of imagination and a willingness to do things our way (up to a point :) ) which means we can finally move forward with this, create new opportunities for others aswell as not waste so much time sending our own people and products by road to airports that are in the wrong place (e.g. Dublin, Paris, London ...)

    How can you say the local community won't support it if we don't even know what it is boy?


  • #218
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Don't bother trawling the net for old posts. The model is designed to evolve (rapidly, when the need arises) and some of the points raised in the past were deliberately ... provocative, shall we say - it's a handy way to identify weakness and opportunities. Just hang on a little longer for the detail, or if you're really desperate, go find a Waterford councillor and talk to them.


  • #219
    BuffyBot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    The crueller amongst us are probably thinking of evolving the term vaporware to vaporair. I'll be the first to de-evolve should it happen, but you'll probably understand why people are suspicious considering your rather vague claim history on this site.

    While I'm here, it would be remiss of me as a site Admin to remind you that if you're representing a business on this site (which to me it appears you are) you may wish to re-acquaint yourself with the site policies regarding such activities.


  • #220
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Vagueness is hazard when trying to contribute usefully to a public discussion without falling foul of forum rules. ;)


  • #221
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Yes. But something quite different to what y'all are used to.

    So thats effectively no?

    Suspense doesn't do anyone favours here.


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  • #222
    CantGetNoSleep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,271 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Unless you like talking out of your a*se


  • #223
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    CantGetNoSleep wrote: »
    Unless you like talking out of your a*se

    Ah here relax. Adults only.


  • #224
    nkay1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Don't bother trawling the net for old posts. The model is designed to evolve (rapidly, when the need arises) and some of the points raised in the past were deliberately ... provocative, shall we say - it's a handy way to identify weakness and opportunities. Just hang on a little longer for the detail, or if you're really desperate, go find a Waterford councillor and talk to them.

    I happen to know one such councillor. What should I ask him to find out what you're talking about?


  • #225
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    Why does everything have to be so cryptic? Is the place being converted into a spaceport or something?


  • #226
    Teebor15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Teebor15


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Your question has been answered: the airport (any airport) provides access to a strip of tarmac suitable for aircraft to land and take off. Without radical commercial imagination, that's the beginning and the end of what an airport can offer. Our group of businesses involves the exchange of goods, ideas, services and people between different regions, and yes, we have being moving these by air (and land and sea) for a couple of decades.

    This sounds like the response a politician would give. So just to clarify, when you say you have been moving people by air for a couple of decades do you mean YOU or your company have been operating/chartering/scheduling aircraft or do you mean you have just been buying tickets on already existing flights of other airlines?

    Last March you said on this or the aviation forum that the other airports you were negotiating with were very keen compared to the muted response from Waterford. Did you operate/charter/schedule from these airports or have you ever operated/chartered/scheduled flights to any airports anywhere, ever?

    Sorry for having to spell out what I'm asking but I feel I have to do this to prevent you from interpreting it the way you want to rather than what both you and I know what I'm really asking. Even just a yes or No would be suffice.

    And just to say again I'm all for any business that supports the airports and would be over the moon to see you succeed with you venture, I'm just curious!


  • #227
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Teebor15 wrote: »
    This sounds like the response a politician would give. ....
    Sorry for having to spell out what I'm asking ...
    ... I'm just curious!
    BuffyBot wrote: »
    While I'm here, it would be remiss of me as a site Admin to remind you that if you're representing a business on this site (which to me it appears you are) you may wish to re-acquaint yourself with the site policies regarding such activities.

    ;)

    Curiosity will have to be satisfied by other means.


  • #228
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    ;)

    Curiosity will have to be satisfied by other means.

    What are you even talking about?

    This has to be the most futile and hard to interpret conversation on this fourm.

    Should we get back into more of a discussion about Waterford airport and not whatever crap your trying to feed us. It looks like Waterford won't have any scheduled services after March. Will this spell the end for the airport?


  • #229
    man98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    Carnacalla wrote:
    Waterford won't have any scheduled services after March. Will this spell the end for the airport?
    I don't think so. In my opinion CelticRambler's plans will go ahead, which is a major plus for the airport. On top of that I see a British route on the horizon, Manchester/ Birmingham/ Bristol IMO, given this runway extension is completely finished for 2016.


  • #230
    Teebor15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Teebor15


    Curiosity will have to be satisfied by other means.

    You stay there and hide behind an admin he will tell the bold boys to leave you alone.

    And there you have it..just as I suspected. You won't answer the question because the answer is No, you have never operated flights to anywhere. In fact you have no experience in the aviation sector at all. All those other airports who were banging down your door for your business were in fact banging it closed in your face!
    Don't bother trawling the net for old posts.

    Because you might come across this one http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/454730-viatriskel.html where just like here when anyone asks awkward questions, our great saviour of Waterford Airport strangely goes missing. How is your Southend operation going by the way or at all the other airports on your website http://viatriskel.com/vt_routes_en.htm

    Its easy to come on here and speak to people, the majority who desperately want the airport to succeed but through no fault of their own do not understand the cut throat and logistical challenges a small airport like Waterford faces in trying to do just that. Like a prophet from the dark ages they will unwittingly hang on to your 'vision' as a way forward but as can be seen from the link above when the aviation hard hitters row in and tear you a new one you realise your in over your head and *puff* you disappear off to find more gullible sheep somewhere else to preach to.

    I'm all for any new business that helps sustain the airport as I believe it is vital for the region to have air access be it for fare paying passengers or at worst even just for the many executive aircraft that visit every month who see the airport as important to allow them to establish, sustain or grow their own business in the South East. So in that sense I would love to see you achieve your vision but don't come on here like your the messiah, fooling people into thinking that the airport is turning away a gift horse and should be just glad you choose us ahead of all the other little airports in Europe.

    The reality is your vision is just a dream, a nice romantic dream in an ideal world where we all visit each others countries to exchange gifts and crafts and dance around in a circle holding hands after forking out 300 euro for the privilege. You have no experience in aviation or the real costs involved as has been highlighted in the thread link above.

    If you do manage to start flights from Waterford, which I very much doubt, I can see them finishing almost before they start as whatever airline you get into bed with will see you a mile off, happily take your money until it quickly runs out then bid you "Adieu"!

    If it doesn't work out it wont be your fault, it will be the people of Waterford's fault for not supporting your 'fairytale', that's the problem with dillusional people, there just no talking to them!

    Of course if I'm wrong on this then I will gladly tuck into the largest slice of humble pie on the table and savour every bite!


  • #231
    Plane Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Plane Fan


    Does anybody here know if the airport are actually in talks with any airline to replace the lost routes after March?
    Surely, if an operator wanted the routes they would have flights on sale pretty soon


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  • #232
    air2000
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭air2000


    Plane Fan wrote: »
    Does anybody here know if the airport are actually in talks with any airline to replace the lost routes after March?
    Surely, if an operator wanted the routes they would have flights on sale pretty soon

    Yes they are but from what I hear it will be the end of the month before any update.


  • #233
    Plane Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Plane Fan


    air2000 wrote: »
    Yes they are but from what I hear it will be the end of the month before any update.

    Thanks for that
    Are the talk progressing do you know?
    Will we have an announcement in late Jan so?


  • #234
    comeraghs
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭comeraghs


    Huge huge potential there for a London - Waterford flight. There must be some airline that can see that surely.


  • #235
    savic04
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭savic04


    It is a pity Aer Lingus Regional (Eddie Stobart) took aircrafts to fly Dublin to Manchester routes. Aer Lingus though has used the A320's that used to fly this route for further a filed new routes so probably was better managed.

    In its current state, I just cant see any other airline making it viable.
    Unless a new airline was to start up perhaps which is highly unlikely


  • #236
    man98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    savic04 wrote:
    In its current state, I just cant see any other airline making it viable. Unless a new airline was to start up perhaps which is highly unlikely


    I don't think so. Say Etihad Regional based a Saab 2000 in Waterford as feeder traffic, as well as flying to Manchester and London. Any airlines with a presence in London has the opportunity to fly to Waterford, whether they take advantage of it is another question.


  • #237
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    man98 wrote: »
    I don't think so. Say Etihad Regional based a Saab 2000 in Waterford as feeder traffic, as well as flying to Manchester and London. Any airlines with a presence in London has the opportunity to fly to Waterford, whether they take advantage of it is another question.

    Any airlines with turboprops can fly to Waterford.


  • #238
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0108/671308-weather-warning/

    Just enquiring if we had the runway extended would we be capable of dealing with 'some' of these flights?

    The terminal would hardly accommodate that amount of passengers I suppose!


  • #239
    man98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    An A319 could theoretically land on low fuel in Waterford I'd say (I've heard of 757s diverting to 1550 metre runways) but, unless handling staff could be called in...


  • #240
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0108/671308-weather-warning/

    Just enquiring if we had the runway extended would we be capable of dealing with 'some' of these flights?

    The terminal would hardly accommodate that amount of passengers I suppose!

    Its not as simple as having a longer runway to accommodate diversions.

    Fire cover, ATC and ground staff need to be present.

    So too is physical space too park the aircraft.

    Per AIP Ireland there is only 1 stand.

    Unless there is no other option Waterford would not be considered.


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  • #241
    b757
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    That AIP is 12 years out of date.

    Used to fit 3 ATR 72's/BAe146's plus a couple of business jets.


  • #242
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Interesting as per IAA website its the most current; effective date 11/12/14.

    The Waterford airport data was updated on 18 Sept 2014.
    The approach pages were not updated at that time so maybe they did not need updating?
    They haven't updated the parking chart then maybe officially, nothing has changed since 2003 in that regard.
    Used to fit 3 ATR 72's/BAe146's plus a couple of business jets
    Perhaps you should tell them they have it wrong.


  • #243
    air2000
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭air2000


    notharrypotter wrote: »
    They haven't updated the parking chart then maybe officially, nothing has changed since 2003 in that regard.

    Looking at the chart its well out of date - There has been 2 ramp extensions since 2003. Is there a cost to updating the charts ?

    air2000


  • #244
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Is there a cost to updating the charts ?
    Compared to 2 ramp extensions I doubt it.


    Usual procedure is to issue an AIP SUP advising of the intended works and approximate start /end dates.
    Issue a NOTAM when the works commence/finish.

    As part of the AIP SUP they would have a map indicating the proposed works area(s) (see the AIP SUP 23/2014 regarding an apron extension in Dublin).
    Some one has to draw the map.

    If there has been 2 extensions to the ramp then some one in Waterford feels that the world doesn't need to know about it.


  • #245
    tankbarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭tankbarry


    most aircraft parked at 1 time that I can remember is 3 atr 72 and One 146 and a citation.


  • #246
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    tankbarry wrote: »
    most aircraft parked at 1 time that I can remember is 3 atr 72 and One 146 and a citation.

    I am not disputing your claim.

    What I am saying is that the official declared number of stands in Waterford is 1.

    From other posts I believe you are employed in the airport.

    If you believe the information is incorrect then you should speak to someone about getting this corrected.


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  • #247
    me leg
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭me leg


    notharrypotter wrote: »
    I am not disputing your claim.

    What I am saying is that the official declared number of stands in Waterford is 1.

    From other posts I believe you are employed in the airport.

    If you believe the information is incorrect then you should speak to someone about getting this corrected.

    Your misreading the chart. It is not stating the amount of stands but highlighting the legend/key/symbol for stand numbering.

    Its a very bad layout but the same on all regional airport charts.

    Either that or Knock/Galway/Kerry all have 1 stand!

    For you info Waterford has 2 ICAO marked stands and three non ICAO.


  • #248
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Its a very bad layout but the same on all regional airport charts.
    Either that or Knock/Galway/Kerry all have 1 stand!

    Knock AD 2.24-1 has 3 stands. Diagram on top left of page. Aircraft sizes and parking instructions on bottom of page; dated 9 April 2009.

    Galway AD 2.24-1 has 2 main stands and a number of other parking positions. Diagram on top left of page. Co-ordinates and instructions on the bottom of the page; dated 28 June 2012.

    Kerry AD 2.24-1 has 2 stands on the East apron and a further 3 on the West apron. Diagram on top left of page. Co-ordinates and parking instructions on the bottom of the page; dated 13 Nov 2014.

    For you info Waterford has 2 ICAO marked stands
    Your misreading the chart.
    It is not stating the amount of stands but highlighting the legend/key/symbol for stand numbering.

    Waterford AD 2.24-1 has 1 stand and its clearly marked on the bottom right of the page with a little diagram of the ramp.
    Further instructions and its actual co-ordinates are on the bottom of the page too.

    I would suggest that if your claim is correct then contact Waterford airport and advise them that the official published information is incorrect.

    and three non ICAO.

    Curious as to what a "non ICAO" stand is and what can be parked there.
    I would assume that for an Airport all stands must conform to international ICAO standards.


  • #249
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    I heard on WLR that discussion with a regional carrier regarding a London route are ongoing and we may know more this week.


  • #250
    Plane Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Plane Fan


    dzilla wrote: »
    I heard on WLR that discussion with a regional carrier regarding a London route are ongoing and we may know more this week.

    Was it on the WLR news ?


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    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    No it was on Saturday Morning on the discussion show prior to Midday.


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