Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

sprucemoose · 17-05-2021 4:29pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Munster had a penalty advantage, which arguably they could have lost once JOD went after Papali'i. He went back for a Munster penalty. He didn't penalise anyone involved in the scrap, because it was silly handbags that all involved in should know better. Ye had the penalty lads. Someone else has posted about the Munster subs scrapping in another incident. Bleating on and on about the subs is just sour grapes.

except he didnt, connacht got the penalty for obstruction even though advantage was being played still

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 4:30pm

sprucemoose wrote: »

except he didnt, connacht got the penalty for obstruction even though advantage was being played still

Play restarted with munster penalty. IIRC they took a scrum 5m out in fairly central position.

TomsOnTheRoof · 17-05-2021 4:33pm

This place is laughable. The amount of supporters from other provinces having a go over, what was up until Friday, a "makey uppy" cup. Semantic arguments left right and centre. We'll be convening a tribunal next to investigate remarks about the referee.

sprucemoose · 17-05-2021 4:39pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Play restarted with munster penalty. IIRC they took a scrum 5m out in fairly central position.

sorry you are indeed correct, indicated penalty to connacht first but gave it (eventually) to munster

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 4:44pm

sprucemoose wrote: »

sorry you are indeed correct, indicated penalty to connacht first but gave it (eventually) to munster

Ref should have restarted with a connacht Penalty. JOD was going after AP for absolutely no reason, AP had zero interest in getting involved.

Stander was whining about all the connacht subs getting involved and the score being chalked off. IMO the ref got it badly wrong about the connacht subs starting it. Don't think it was reviewed fully when it should have been.

https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1393350806796185602?s=19

https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1393359437050617856?s=19

b.gud · 17-05-2021 4:46pm

There's only one solution left for this thread

sprucemoose · 17-05-2021 4:54pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ref should have restarted with a connacht Penalty. JOD was going after AP for absolutely no reason, AP had zero interest in getting involved.

afaik its only 'dangerous' play that can overturn advantage though.

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 4:59pm

sprucemoose wrote: »

afaik its only 'dangerous' play that can overturn advantage though.

**** from World Rugby website *****
9 Foul play

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Obstruction

When a player and an opponent are running for the ball, neither player may charge or push the other except shoulder-to-shoulder.

An offside player must not intentionally obstruct an opponent or interfere with play.

A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.

phog · 17-05-2021 5:03pm

Sorry folks, to the posters who like to chat about the game, etc, I should have listened to my own advice which I've given out a few times, don't give them oxygen.

sprucemoose · 17-05-2021 5:05pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

**** from World Rugby website *****
9 Foul play

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Obstruction

When a player and an opponent are running for the ball, neither player may charge or push the other except shoulder-to-shoulder.

An offside player must not intentionally obstruct an opponent or interfere with play.

A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.

not disagreeing with that, but i dont see what your point is tbh? like i said, as far as i know it has to be a dangerous incident to overturn advantage (could be wrong on this). JOD might have been acting the dick but i wouldnt say it was dangerous play, if he had thrown a punch/slap itd be different

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 5:15pm

sprucemoose wrote: »

not disagreeing with that, but i dont see what your point is tbh? like i said, as far as i know it has to be a dangerous incident to overturn advantage (could be wrong on this). JOD might have been acting the dick but i wouldnt say it was dangerous play, if he had thrown a punch/slap itd be different

Generally speaking an act of foul play would supercede a technical penalty (offside in this case).

Marmion got rightly pinged for throwing the ball at Healy not much earlier.

I think the game should have restarted with a connacht pen after the disallowed Try.

irishgrover · 17-05-2021 5:16pm

Q1: Has there every been an interpro thread that does not need to be shot in the head after a few weeks.
Q2: Will Connacht ever actually win an interpro where one or more of the following conditions dont apply

It's a nothing game
The tournament was already won/lost
The other team was concentrating on Europe
The other team had their 2nds/3rd out
The ref was an absolute disgrace
Sure it's in the middle of the international window

Connacht have won a dair few, and lost a fair few more interpros over the years. However I really can't remember actually winning any because they were the better team would played better rugby and scored more points becuase of it...

PS: This post is not targeting any individuals, or even this thread, its more of a general observation which applies to fans, experts, pundits, Media etc
By and large Connacht never win anything, the other team throw it away etc

sprucemoose · 17-05-2021 5:30pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Generally speaking an act of foul play would supercede a technical penalty (offside in this case).

Marmion got rightly pinged for throwing the ball at Healy not much earlier.

I think the game should have restarted with a connacht pen after the disallowed Try.[/QUOTE]

in fairness, JOD had been given a slap (mightve even been an elbow) to the head by AP so i think they more or less cancelled each other out, nothing in the shoving etc from a dangerous play point of view.

however AP getting shoved out of the way helps the try being scored so advantage over and back for the original penalty.

marmions try was very questionable, the tap from oliver definitely looked marginal at best

theVersatile · 17-05-2021 6:06pm

See Burkie, the problem with that is:

Law 9.7:
A player must not: a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

That would mean that if foul play cancelled advantage, then pretty much ANY PENALTY would cancel a previous advantage, which is obviously false.

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 7:34pm

theVersatile wrote: »

See Burkie, the problem with that is:

Law 9.7:
A player must not: a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

That would mean that if foul play cancelled advantage, then pretty much ANY PENALTY would cancel a previous advantage, which is obviously false.

Cannot remember the game but about 5 years ago Nigel restarted a game with a penalty after an act of foul play (a high tackle) during a penalty advantage (by the team with the advantage for hands in the ruck). I remember him explaining that foul play supercedes the technical penalty.

Burkie1203 · 17-05-2021 7:41pm

sprucemoose wrote: »

in fairness, JOD had been given a slap (mightve even been an elbow) to the head by AP so i think they more or less cancelled each other out, nothing in the shoving etc from a dangerous play point of view.

however AP getting shoved out of the way helps the try being scored so advantage over and back for the original penalty.

marmions try was very questionable, the tap from oliver definitely looked marginal at best

AP uses his left hand, with an open palm and gives JOD a fairly tame slap on the head to free himself so he can get back in the defensive line. JOD then gets up and takes AP out of the game which is an act of foul play.

Shaka Hislop · 17-05-2021 8:15pm

Will just leave this here,
https://www.otbsports.com/rugby/cj-stander-was-right-to-call-out-the-referee-alan-quinlan-1196024

Akrasia · 17-05-2021 9:23pm

Here’s a really interesting case of inattentive blindness. Everyone is looking so hard for the’knock on’ that overturned Conways try, that nobody noticed Daly lying on the ground on the wrong side of the ruck, , holding the Munster player and preventing him from presenting the ball,

Connacht player diving off his feet and lying on Klein and putting his hands into the ruck to knock the ball away the ball was very possible knocked back by a Connacht player but there were 3 other penalty infringements by Connacht in this short passage and all of them were ignored in favour of a possible (certainly not obvious) Munster knock on
https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1393345803968724995?s=21

17-05-2021 9:49pm

Akrasia wrote: »

Here’s a really interesting case of inattentive blindness. Everyone is looking so hard for the’knock on’ that overturned Conways try, that nobody noticed Daly lying on the ground on the wrong side of the ruck, , holding the Munster player and preventing him from presenting the ball,

Connacht player diving off his feet and lying on Klein and putting his hands into the ruck to knock the ball away the ball was very possible knocked back by a Connacht player but there were 3 other penalty infringements by Connacht in this short passage and all of them were ignored in favour of a possible (certainly not obvious) Munster knock on
https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1393345803968724995?s=21

Bahahahaha

b.gud · 17-05-2021 11:17pm

Akrasia wrote: »

Here’s a really interesting case of inattentive blindness. Everyone is looking so hard for the’knock on’ that overturned Conways try, that nobody noticed Daly lying on the ground on the wrong side of the ruck, , holding the Munster player and preventing him from presenting the ball,

My guess is no one noticed Daly because he's not in that ruck

Akrasia wrote: »

Connacht player diving off his feet and lying on Klein and putting his hands into the ruck to knock the ball away the ball was very possible knocked back by a Connacht player but there were 3 other penalty infringements by Connacht in this short passage and all of them were ignored in favour of a possible (certainly not obvious) Munster knock on
https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1393345803968724995?s=21

I'm not really sure the point you're trying to make here. The TMO check was if there was a knock on in the build up to the try. All the "offences" you highlighted would have zero impact on whether or not the try was allowed. Let's say they were all legitimate penalties then it would have been advantage Munster and that advantage would have been over when the TMO and ref deemed Munster to have knocked it on and the try would still have been disallowed.

Former Coach · 17-05-2021 11:50pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Q1: Has there every been an interpro thread that does not need to be shot in the head after a few weeks.
Q2: Will Connacht ever actually win an interpro where one or more of the following conditions dont apply
It's a nothing game

The tournament was already won/lost

The other team was concentrating on Europe

The other team had their 2nds/3rd out

The ref was an absolute disgrace

Sure it's in the middle of the international window

Connacht have won a dair few, and lost a fair few more interpros over the years. However I really can't remember actually winning any because they were the better team would played better rugby and scored more points becuase of it...

PS: This post is not targeting any individuals, or even this thread, its more of a general observation which applies to fans, experts, pundits, Media etc
By and large Connacht never win anything, the other team throw it away etc

Pro12 Final springs to mind!

Wegians89 · 18-05-2021 8:46am

Former Coach wrote: »

Pro12 Final springs to mind!

Munster fans don’t count finals as they have seen a their team win one in ages

Shaka Hislop · 18-05-2021 9:05am

Wegians89 wrote: »

Munster fans don’t count finals as they have seen a their team win one in ages

Anyone else read that in Luigi from The Simpsons accent?

Bazzo · 18-05-2021 9:14am

This ****e about Papali'i "slapping" O'Donoghue is absolute hysterics. Has anyone actually watched the clip?

sprucemoose · 18-05-2021 9:35am

Bazzo wrote: »

This ****e about Papali'i "slapping" O'Donoghue is absolute hysterics. Has anyone actually watched the clip?

i dunno what you mean tbh, he slapped JOD because he was holding onto his leg and then JOD shoved him. Nothing in it between the two of them but its what happened, from the rear angle it looked like there mightve been an elbow but the front angle is clearer and shows there wasnt

Bazzo · 18-05-2021 9:42am

sprucemoose wrote: »

i dunno what you mean tbh, he slapped JOD because he was holding onto his leg and then JOD shoved him. Nothing in it between the two of them but its what happened, from the rear angle it looked like there mightve been an elbow but the front angle is clearer and shows there wasnt

He barely touched him, describing it as a "slap" makes it sound like there was even a modicum of force in it. And it certainly didn't warrant any reaction, never mind what O'Donoghue came out with. Especially considering O'Donoghue was the one who had been acting the bollox holding him beyond the ruck in the first place.

Anyway I really didn't want to weigh in on this train wreck of a thread I've just seen that incident described as a "slap" (possibly starting with three red kings) quite a bit and found it laughable.

sprucemoose · 18-05-2021 9:50am

Bazzo wrote: »

He barely touched him, describing it as a "slap" makes it sound like there was even a modicum of force in it. And it certainly didn't warrant any reaction, never mind what O'Donoghue came out with. Especially considering O'Donoghue was the one who had been acting the bollox holding him beyond the ruck in the first place.

i dunno what else you would call it? it was a light slap, but a slap. JOD (over)reacted but nothing in it either way in terms of anything dangerous, since it ended up taking a player out of the game then it was fair enough that the try was disallowed

Former Former Former · 18-05-2021 10:01am

Bazzo wrote: »

This ****e about Papali'i "slapping" O'Donoghue is absolute hysterics. Has anyone actually watched the clip?

There was nothing in it, and there was very little in JODs reaction too. That's why he got pinged for obstruction, not foul play, and that's why the ref was right to revert to the Munster advantage.

For all the shyte talked, I've yet to see anyone find a real error by the ref, rather just loudly advertising their own lack of knowledge.

realhorrorshow · 18-05-2021 10:23am

This thread is peak boards, Jesus Christ.

connemara man · 18-05-2021 10:46am

I have seen literal dumpster fires in better condition than this thread

Closing it now before people end up walking themselves towards warnings or cards

Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

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