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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • #4852
    ABitofsense
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Anyone use LM4360 AHERLA K7 P? I put him on yesterday as something different other than Knell or Zag and interested to hear if anyone has calves on the ground.


  • #4853
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Neo Sanders wrote: »
    What's cwi meant to be for calving? People's experience, not the figures...

    I had a heavy pull out of a simx first calver. Bull calf. Big thick head on the calf. Once the head came, the rest wasn't too bad. All OK though..

    I've used him twice on mature cows.....no issue calved themselves....would not have thought of him as a bull for maiden heifers..


  • #4854
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭tanko


    Neo Sanders wrote: »
    What's cwi meant to be for calving? People's experience, not the figures...

    I had a heavy pull out of a simx first calver. Bull calf. Big thick head on the calf. Once the head came, the rest wasn't too bad. All OK though..

    I haven’t used him but i wouldn’t be putting a bull like that on heifers either without expecting trouble especially if it’s a bull calf.
    I’d try LM2014 on heifers if you want to put a Lim on them.
    Hard to beat Saler bulls on heifers for trouble free calving imo.


  • #4855
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Neo Sanders wrote: »
    What's cwi meant to be for calving? People's experience, not the figures...

    I had a heavy pull out of a simx first calver. Bull calf. Big thick head on the calf. Once the head came, the rest wasn't too bad. All OK though..

    Used him on 30 months, odd pull, wouldn't be fir tight heifers anyway


  • #4856
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Weighed a Fiston bull calf today for a neighbour as part of Beep. 360Kg and still not 6 months. Serious calf. You'd laugh if you saw him at about 6 weeks. He was as wide as he was tall.

    This bull weighed 390kg yesterday at the mart. He never got a bit of meal, straight off the cow. It's some weight for a Feb calf. Mother is a black whitehead.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4857
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    This bull weighed 390kg yesterday at the mart. He never got a bit of meal, straight off the cow. It's some weight for a Feb calf. Mother is a black whitehead.

    She must be very milky to be at that weight already. What did he make at the ring?


  • #4858
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    She must be very milky to be at that weight already. What did he make at the ring?
    €890 I think. Colour went against him. He was greyish.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4859
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    This bull weighed 390kg yesterday at the mart. He never got a bit of meal, straight off the cow. It's some weight for a Feb calf. Mother is a black whitehead.

    Calves are weighing well this year, she’s a good cow
    Sadly as per your later post colour can be an issue


  • #4860
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Calves are weighing well this year, she’s a good cow
    Sadly as per your later post colour can be an issue

    No offence, but she's a sh!t cow if her calf is only worth 890 let alone a ch bull calf


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  • #4861
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    No offence, but she's a sh!t cow if her calf is only worth 890 let alone a ch bull calf

    God, ye must have very high standards. Like I said, he never got meal. She's a handy cow maybe 575kg. I'm sure he could get better prices from cont type cows with less milk, but he'd have to feed more meal to make up the diff in weight. End of day it's about profit not vanity.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4862
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    God, ye must have very high standards. Like I said, he never got meal. She's a handy cow maybe 575kg. I'm sure he could get better prices from cont type cows with less milk, but he'd have to feed more meal to make up the diff in weight. End of day it's about profit not vanity.

    50 euro of meal turns a calf inside out, that's probably one of his best too, there not all doing that


  • #4863
    RD10
    Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭RD10


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    This bull weighed 390kg yesterday at the mart. He never got a bit of meal, straight off the cow. It's some weight for a Feb calf. Mother is a black whitehead.

    Some weight alright. Did you go with a few?


  • #4864
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    RD10 wrote: »
    Some weight alright. Did you go with a few?

    Ah, he's a young relative of mine starting out, so I'm delighted for him. ;)

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4865
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    No offence, but she's a sh!t cow if her calf is only worth 890 let alone a ch bull calf

    But if that calf was golden yellow in colour the calf could of made €1200+
    Sadly colour is a major factor


  • #4866
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ah, he's a young relative of mine starting out, so I'm delighted for him. ;)

    A LM or SI heifer off that cow will set him up well


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  • #4867
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    But if that calf was golden yellow in colour the calf could of made €1200+
    Sadly colour is a major factor

    Ya but that's the thin g out of black cows, colour is ****e. If my aunt had balls she'd b my uncle comes to mind


  • #4868
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Week old Excel (LM4027) calf. Great width to him. Seems quiet too.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4869
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Week old Excel (LM4027) calf. Great width to him. Seems quiet too.
    Good bone for a limo too


  • #4870
    Anto_Meath
    Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    LM,4027 are nice calves, I have two of them, done ok over the summer and quiet to work with.. best of luck with him.


  • #4871
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Anyone any mbp cows? How are they for milk?


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  • #4872
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭tanko


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Anyone any mbp cows? How are they for milk?

    Had two here a few years ago, they were very poor for milk even tho they were off milky cows.They weren’t kept long.


  • #4873
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    RD10 wrote: »
    Some weight alright. Did you go with a few?
    Just saw this now. No just brought for him. He had other bucket fed calves too.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4874
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Anyone any mbp cows? How are they for milk?

    Kept one here a few years ago.....never again....the cat would have more milk.


  • #4875
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭893bet


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    €890 I think. Colour went against him. He was greyish.

    Just about its price. Have softened a little in the last 3 weeks.

    Sold three weanling yesterday. Two Zags and something else.

    410 made 960
    395 made 920
    390 made 930.

    Very surprised with the weights. Weight them 8 weeks ago (July 20) and they 312, 305 and 302. That’s a lot of weight to gain in 56 days. They had been on meal upto the 15 August or so. Grass was only middling the last month also so was happy with weights. A little disappointed with prices.


  • #4876
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭893bet


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    No offence, but she's a sh!t cow if her calf is only worth 890 let alone a ch bull calf

    It’s a 7 month old bull......who never had a shake of meal. If all our cows could get calves to that weight with no meal....

    And saying “no offence” is not really excuses of being an asshole, no offence.


  • #4877
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    893bet wrote: »
    It’s a 7 month old bull......who never had a shake of meal. If all our cows could get calves to that weight with no meal....

    And saying “no offence” is not really excuses of being an asshole, no offence.

    😂😂😂 When u see the prices little heifers are making, suckle farming is far more than having 400kgs of a calf, a blue is worth 3/kg golden charolais 2.8 and your going nearer to 2/kg for bad calfs with bad colours. Nobody will pay big bucks for bad coloured calfs, all well and good on paper getting so much gain per day, ounce of breeding is worth a tonne of feeding as they say. No offence :rolleyes:


  • #4878
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Colour is everything! ...
    And all the cute boys buying the wrong colour calves. Larry doesn't pay for colour.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4879
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Colour is everything! ...
    And all the cute boys buying the wrong colour calves. Larry doesn't pay for colour.

    I'm not selling to Larry...


  • #4880
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    893bet wrote: »
    It’s a 7 month old bull......who never had a shake of meal. If all our cows could get calves to that weight with no meal....

    And saying “no offence” is not really excuses of being an asshole, no offence.

    LOL, couldn't have said it better myself


  • #4881
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Colour is everything! ...
    And all the cute boys buying the wrong colour calves. Larry doesn't pay for colour.

    Why is colour a thing if you're just going to cut its throat?


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  • #4882
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    Why is colour a thing if you're just going to cut its throat?
    Wrong colour would hint at wrong breeding. A golden charolais would indicate a char from a red Lim. A mousey char, an Angus or black Lim mother.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4883
    furandfeather
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    Anyone ever calf down a heifer from a culard charlaois ?


  • #4884
    Amateur Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭Amateur Farmer


    Who2 wrote: »
    Anyone any experience with tomschoice jet?

    Hi, just wondering if you received any feedback on Tomschoice Jet? I’m thinking of using him this Autumn and was wondering what sort of cow suits him best?

    Any help would be appreciated.


  • #4885
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Amateur Farmer wrote: »
    Hi, just wondering if you received any feedback on Tomschoice Jet? I’m thinking of using him this Autumn and was wondering what sort of cow suits him best?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Seen a Tom's choice calf make 1050 at 345kgs, out of pathaneise x limo cow., lovely wide hairy calf


  • #4886
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Anyone have Lm 4217 Knell calves? How are they as weanlings? Are heifers looking like good replacements? Any information welcome


  • #4887
    ABitofsense
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Mine are doing well. Nice & docile too. Bulls are doing about 1.35 ADG. Couple of nice shapely heifers too by him which I'll be keeping hopefully as replacements next year. He is performing way better than my ZAG calves anyway.


  • #4888
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    ABitofsense wrote: »
    Mine are doing well. Nice & docile too. Bulls are doing about 1.35 ADG. Couple of nice shapely heifers too by him which I'll be keeping hopefully as replacements next year. He is performing way better than my ZAG calves anyway.

    Good to hear all that, thanks. No issue with calving them? He seems ok for calving difficulty.


  • #4889
    ABitofsense
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Yeah I had him on a number of heifers (calving at ~24months) but only 1 hard pull. Easy enough but I would only put him on biggesh heifers going forward. I've put him on 10 cows this year


  • #4890
    SuperTeeJay
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    SuperTeeJay wrote: »
    Has anyone ever tried or had any success using CWI 90% sexed semen on heifers?

    So I tried cwi sexed semen on three heifers.
    All are Ai'd 7 weeks now and hopefully have held.They were €40/straw plus insemination free.


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  • #4891
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    SuperTeeJay wrote: »
    So I tried cwi sexed semen on three heifers.
    All are Ai'd 7 weeks now and hopefully have held.They were €40/straw plus insemination free.

    Do you inseminate 12 hours after standing heat as per non sexed?


  • #4892
    SuperTeeJay
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Do you inseminate 12 hours after standing heat as per non sexed?
    Yes if on in the morning ai in evening.about 10/12 hours.


  • #4893
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Has anyone got any older calves by the Bova bull Loyal (LM 4184)?
    Do they stay a bit on the small side?

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4894
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Has anyone got any older calves by the Bova bull Loyal (LM 4184)?
    Do they stay a bit on the small side?

    Bull we sold in April was by him, only grew when he was over 10 months &was thriving when we sold him. Mother was tall though.
    Have another this year off a heifer and seems bigger.


  • #4895
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Bull we sold in April was by him, only grew when he was over 10 months &was thriving when we sold him. Mother was tall though.
    Have another this year off a heifer and seems bigger.

    Would you like him as a bull? I'm thinking of getting some straws, if my AI guy allows me.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4896
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Would you like him as a bull? I'm thinking of getting some straws, if my AI guy allows me.

    I'd only put him on heifers tbh, there's much better bulls for cows out there imo.
    He gives great calves that pop out easily off a heifer, better than ZAG anyway!


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  • #4897
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    I'd only put him on heifers tbh, there's much better bulls for cows out there imo.
    He gives great calves that pop out easily off a heifer, better than ZAG anyway!

    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • #4898
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    I've only had two bulls off him so someone else prob has more usage off him which can say better. Here's the heifer with calf when she calved, a framey type. Dunno what he'd be like off smaller heifers.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113351298&postcount=5929

    Actually while I'm at it, here's the first Loyal fella too. ERE dam.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113285068&postcount=5903


  • #4899
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    Well he's not a tall bull then, the cows off him would have zero scope in my opinion


  • #4900
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    Sure if the heifers have any bit of height to them he should throw good calves.
    He’s easy calved, looks decent for milk at the minute anyway and has a very good pedigree.
    He’d be a safe option on heifers, no point destroying a nice heifer with a hard calving bull imo.
    What alternatives are out there
    LM 2014 is easy calved and suitable for heifers, should have a bit of size and nice shape to them but milk mightn’t be great, time will tell.
    Knell should bring size and seems to throwing nice stock but a bit harder calving, should be milk there.


  • #4901
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Patsy, here's this year's Loyal bull. He likes the ladies already :D
    He's young & he'll never be a superstar but he's a nice little fella off a heifer.

    4YMPS1vh.jpg


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