Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Pique · 12-06-2017 2:49pm

Team selection for Leitrim game:
http://galwaybayfm.ie/mcstay-names-roscommon-team-play-leitrim/

1 Colm Lavin Éire Óg

2 David Murray Padraig Pearses

3 John McManus Roscommon Gaels

4 Niall McInerney St Brigids

5 Sean McDermott Western Gaels

6 Sean Mullooly Strokestown

7 Conor Devaney Kilbride

8 Tadgh O’Rourke Tulsk Lord Edwards

9 Enda Smith Boyle

10 Fintan Cregg Elphin

11 Niall Kilroy Fuerty

12 Brian Stack St Brigid’s

13 Ciaráin Murtagh (Captain) St Faithleach’s

14 Diarmuid Murtagh St Faithleach’s

15 Donie Smith Boyle

Subs

16 Darren O’Malley Michael Glavey’s

17 Brian Murtagh St Faithleach’s

18 Cian Connolly Roscommon Gaels

19 Colin Compton Strokestown

20 David Rooney David Rooney

21 Gary Patterson Michael Glavey’s

22 Henry Walsh Kilbride

23 Ian Kilbride St Brigid’s

24 Ronan Stack St Brigid’s

25 Shane Killoran Elphin

26 Thomas Featherston Oran

rossie1977 · 12-06-2017 4:35pm

Clear lack of height and power on that 26. Can anyone explain to me why the Shine's who are both reportedly playing well for Clann are not on the panel?

Syferus · 12-06-2017 4:46pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Clear lack of height and power on that 26. Can anyone explain to me why the Shine's who are both reportedly playing well for Clann are not on the panel?

Cathal was not fit enough and Clann had to get him one-on-one physical training to get him even up to club level fitness. Like with Higgins you can be a fantastic player but if the fitness isn't there you just aren't going to feature at IC because the demands are so high.

Donie had more than enough on his plate this year without IC football and could well be back for 2018. Indeed if Cathal's fitness improves he will most definitely be invited back because at 100% he is one of the best midfielders in Connacht.

manofwisdom · 12-06-2017 5:16pm

I won't name them but question marks over about 7 or that 26 if they are county standard at all. Whatever the reason Donie and Cathal Shine,Conor,Ronan and Nial Daly,David Keenan,Ultan Harney,Neill Collins,Cathal Cregg, Kevin Higgins,Tom Corcoran, and Cathal Compton is a lot of quality to be missing from a championship panel.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 14-06-2017 6:19pm

The reasons Roscommon are missing all these players are many, and well documented (or speculated on). A lot of quality around the county that isn't in the ranks of that 26 all right, but we have to let McStay get on with it at this stage.

That team looks a little on the light side. Weather is meant to be fine for Sunday which will suit the selection. I'd be fairly confident of a win, hopefully we get one and don't pick up injuries as the squad is threadbare as it is.

sting60 · 15-06-2017 10:43am

The player availability issue is not just confined to Roscommon as one county had eleven for training three weeks ago and the understanding response from players"what's the point".The GAA seem non interested so long as the big grounds are full and can sell the viewing rights to USA,Canada,UK, Australia etc,etc.There comes a time when 32 counties cannot field teams and indeed that time is very near at hand with the standard on show so far indicates that players have little or no interest in hard training and the quality suffers.Ive spoken before about a system whereby lesser counties play for a trophy and the winner/winners join in the All-Ireland proper.How can Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford etc,etc cope with Dublin's budget of €1.5 annually it's just not feasible.The GAA have got realise quickly that the game is dieing a death and have got to react for the good of the game.

C__MC · 15-06-2017 10:47am

Roscommon will beat Leitrim easily enough

It's division one v division four

rossie1977 · 15-06-2017 11:50am

Just looking back to the 2014 match in the Hyde and Roscommon have only 2 starters from that team which is insane considering of the 12 outfield players missing only one is over 30 in Kilbride.

C__MC wrote: »

Roscommon will beat Leitrim easily enough

It's division one v division four

Roscommon were relegated so its technically division 2 vs 4. Cork and Clare both division 2 sides only beat Waterford and limerick both division 4 by one point. Roscommon were division 1 in 2000 lost to Leitrim who were in division 4.

Leitrims record in the Hyde is much better than Carrick. The most Roscommon have ever scored is 1-18 which is less than they conceded to division 4 Wexford in a challenge last week..

padd b1975 · 15-06-2017 11:52am

Nothing less than a comfortable Roscommon victory here I feel.

For some reason I give them a serious shout against Galway, they will be in a perfect position going into it and with the right attitude they can definitely nick it

Always_Running · 16-06-2017 12:56am

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nothing less than a comfortable Roscommon victory here I feel.

For some reason I give them a serious shout against Galway, they will be in a perfect position going into it and with the right attitude they can definitely nick it

If Leitrim bring a blanket like fellow Div 4 teams Waterford,Carlow did in recent weeks it could be a tricky encounter for the Rossies on Sunday.

Roscommon could have nicked it in Salthill last year but that was then and now Galway have a stronger panel while Ros are clearly weaker with all of their injuries and departures.

nice_guy80 · 16-06-2017 9:15am

huge turnover in players

and in other counties with better local job opportunities and better funding and facilities for the county team then lads would stick with the senior panel
you cannot just discard lads aged 27-30 who should be the core of your team

yabadabado · 16-06-2017 9:47am

Was there any players 27-30 discarded?
Wasn't it mostly lads not wanting to play moreso than management not wanting them ?

There is definitely 3 or 4 if they were involved would be starting on Sunday but they have their reasons.

nice_guy80 · 16-06-2017 11:16am

yabadabado wrote: »

Was there any players 27-30 discarded?
Wasn't it mostly lads not wanting to play moreso than management not wanting them ?

There is definitely 3 or 4 if they were involved would be starting on Sunday but they have their reasons.

i'm not going back on it, but those lads would be there if they could work and train close to the county
and if the setup was as well funded as it has been the previous few years

the lack of a base for the county team to train is a huge issue

yabadabado · 16-06-2017 11:18am

The training centre they have planned is also not that assesssible .Should have taken AIT up on their offer.

Syferus · 16-06-2017 7:49pm

Always_Running wrote: »

If Leitrim bring a blanket like fellow Div 4 teams Waterford,Carlow did in recent weeks it could be a tricky encounter for the Rossies on Sunday.

Roscommon could have nicked it in Salthill last year but that was then and now Galway have a stronger panel while Ros are clearly weaker with all of their injuries and departures.

This will be a very straightforward game.

The panel may look weaker but it is far more unified and probably more capable of putting Leitrim to the sword than last year, and certainly less likely to capitulate like the Connacht final replay last year.

Always_Running · 16-06-2017 10:33pm

Syferus wrote: »

This will be a very straightforward game.

The panel may look weaker but it is far more unified and probably more capable of putting Leitrim to the sword than last year, and certainly less likely to capitulate like the Connacht final replay last year.

Was capable enough to beat Leitrim by 13 points last year and if Roscommon reach this Julys final i and many others will expect Galway to beat the rossies without the need of a replay.

Syferus · 17-06-2017 1:55pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Was capable enough to beat Leitrim by 13 points last year and if Roscommon reach this Julys final i and many others will expect Galway to beat the rossies without the need of a replay.

I suppose those who Google results when they need a talking point might think that. Leitrim finished that game with 12 men with most of the gloss added after the sending offs.

Always_Running · 17-06-2017 6:12pm

Syferus wrote: »

I suppose those who Google results when they need a talking point might think that. Leitrim finished that game with 12 men with most of the gloss added after the sending offs.

A quick google search for you (might improve your memory) will tell you the game was over as a contest when Roscommon led by 10 points at half time. the first sending off was in 54th minute.

Syferus · 17-06-2017 6:46pm

Always_Running wrote: »

A quick google search for you (might improve your memory) will tell you the game was over as a contest when Roscommon led by 10 points at half time. the first sending off was in 54th minute.

You'd have want to read that report a bit closer before rushing to respond next time.

yabadabado · 17-06-2017 7:03pm

Ros were up at 9 points at half time and were far superior from start to finish.I don't think the sending off had much baring on the result.
Be hoping for a similar result tomorrow and think we will push close to double figures again.

Syferus · 18-06-2017 5:34pm

As I said. Good performance but all with the asterisk that it's Leitrim.

Now for the real stuff.

megadodge · 18-06-2017 5:42pm

Hard to say anything after that.

Last year I said it was the worst Leitrim team I had seen, well, I'm sorry to say it but this year's team is worse.

I suppose Roscommon did what they had to do, but virtually nothing new will have been learned by today.

On a more definite note, the pitch looked fantastic!

yabadabado · 18-06-2017 5:57pm

Leitrim were beyond poor .They have regressed from a very low level last year.
We did enough but still think we are weak in a few key areas.

pjmn · 18-06-2017 8:59pm

Agree Leitrim were beyond poor, looked like a poor minor team against seniors. Not sure what we'll have learned from today, and undoubtedly we wont get the same amount of space against Galway. Having said that looked far more of a team than some of the league performances.

Pitch looked fantastic today.

megadodge · 19-06-2017 9:07pm

yabadabado wrote: »

The training centre they have planned is also not that assesssible .Should have taken AIT up on their offer.

Purely from a practical point of view that would be a poor choice for at least half the county. Some players could be spending up to 1.5 hours each way travelling and straight away that's a huge disincentive.

Syferus · 19-06-2017 9:28pm

megadodge wrote: »

Purely from a practical point of view that would be a poor choice for at least half the county. Some players could be spending up to 1.5 hours each way travelling and straight away that's a huge disincentive.

How many are actually living in Roscommon? Without knowing exact numbers I'd safely say more live in Dublin than Roscommon, with others in Galway or the like. Given most of the panel are still of college age a training location centralised in Roscommon is no advantage to them and only increases their travel time.

The Oran site was stupidly expensive but will be useful for underage teams at club and county level, a training site off the M6 in Athlone is still likely needed in the future for the senior team.

megadodge · 19-06-2017 10:50pm

Syferus wrote: »

How many are actually living in Roscommon? Without knowing exact numbers I'd safely say more live in Dublin than Roscommon, with others in Galway or the like. Given most of the panel are still of college age a training location centralised in Roscommon is no advantage to them and only increases their travel time.

The Oran site was stupidly expensive but will be useful for underage teams at club and county level, a training site off the M6 in Athlone is still likely needed in the future for the senior team.

The vast majority are living in Roscommon!

ALL players in Roscommon, not just the senior panel, will be using the facilities. Underage teams, development panels and clubs vastly outnumber the senior players.

Everybody agrees about the corrupt price paid for the Oran site, but I don't see how adding more costs to an already cash-strapped County board is going to help things.

nice_guy80 · 19-06-2017 11:15pm

50K a year to AIT?

yabadabado · 19-06-2017 11:20pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

50K a year to AIT?

A lot less .
Afaik nearly 1 million spent before any sod is turned in runabraken.

theoneeyedman · 19-06-2017 11:26pm

yabadabado wrote: »

A lot less .
Afaik nearly 1 million spent before any sod is turned in runabraken.

Do you have any facts to back this up??
Corruption....1 million spent.... Ye'll want more than gossip and hearsay for this type of claims I'd say.

yabadabado · 20-06-2017 1:18am

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Do you have any facts to back this up??
Corruption....1 million spent.... Ye'll want more than gossip and hearsay for this type of claims I'd say.

Who mentioned corruption?

theoneeyedman · 20-06-2017 10:44am

megadodge wrote: »

Everybody agrees about the corrupt price paid for the Oran site, .

Corruption mentioned here....

yabadabado · 20-06-2017 11:11am

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Corruption mentioned here....

Why did you quote my post ?

megadodge · 20-06-2017 8:03pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Corruption mentioned here....

And I stand by that!

megadodge · 22-06-2017 8:15pm

I see the Hyde has been short-listed for the GAA pitch of the year.

http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-announces-shortlist-stadia-for-the-2017-gaa-pitch-award/

What a difference a year makes!

yabadabado · 22-06-2017 8:20pm

Good to see .Hopefully at some stage there is money available to upgrade terraces and spectator facilities.

megadodge · 22-06-2017 8:55pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Good to see .Hopefully at some stage there is money available to upgrade terraces and spectator facilities.

The terraces don't need upgrading. They're fine.

It's the stand side. Ideally, the stand (or replacement) should extend the full length with covering all the way down to the sideline. Underneath the stand would also need to be developed.

nice_guy80 · 22-06-2017 10:32pm

megadodge wrote: »

The terraces don't need upgrading. They're fine.

It's the stand side. Ideally, the stand (or replacement) should extend the full length with covering all the way down to the sideline. Underneath the stand would also need to be developed.

extending the roof on the terrace would make a huge difference
ideally they would just level the new stand and concrete seating and build a new stand like in Portlaoise or Tullamore. That won't happen though

what will be done is take out the concrete seating and replace with bucket seating on a concrete steps bed

yabadabado · 22-06-2017 10:34pm

megadodge wrote: »

The terraces don't need upgrading. They're fine.

It's the stand side. Ideally, the stand (or replacement) should extend the full length with covering all the way down to the sideline. Underneath the stand would also need to be developed.

Ideally if the money was available then the whole stand ,dressing rooms and concrete seats would be ripped up and replaced by something like Tullamore..Terraces could do with better cover from the element's .New walk ways and tiolets etc.
All those jobs are a pipe dream imo afaik very minimal wirk is planned .

yabadabado · 22-06-2017 10:35pm

Nice guy beat me to it.

megadodge · 23-06-2017 8:43pm

What stadium in Ireland provides covering for terraces that size? It was regarded as an added bonus when it was built. It's an unnecessary luxury in my eyes. Fine if the money was there, but seriously?

What's wrong with the walkways?

The rest I already mentioned.

Redsoxfan · 23-06-2017 8:49pm

Was in the Hyde for a League game this year. Fine ground.

megadodge · 23-06-2017 8:51pm

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Was in the Hyde for a League game this year. Fine ground.

Thank you.

It's become a kind of national pastime to belittle the Hyde. You'd swear you were taking your life in your hands attending a match there listening to some comments over the years.

Syferus · 23-06-2017 9:17pm

megadodge wrote: »

Thank you.

It's become a kind of national pastime to belittle the Hyde. You'd swear you were taking your life in your hands attending a match there listening to some comments over the years.

Best pitch in the country. Bottom five in facilities. Lots of work needs to be done to bring it to even a decent standard.

We're like a child in class getting a gold star for colouring inside the lines celebrating laying a pitch successfully.

yabadabado · 23-06-2017 10:00pm

megadodge wrote: »

What stadium in Ireland provides covering for terraces that size? It was regarded as an added bonus when it was built. It's an unnecessary luxury in my eyes. Fine if the money was there, but seriously?

What's wrong with the walkways?

The rest I already mentioned.

Walkways and toilets should be done asap.Not a huge cost .

Its not a huge job to put down concrete/paving/tarmacadm .Is there any need to be walking thorough gutter going to a game ?

Redsoxfan · 23-06-2017 10:12pm

megadodge wrote:

It's become a kind of national pastime to belittle the Hyde. You'd swear you were taking your life in your hands attending a match there listening to some comments over the years.

Only a certain faction as far as I have seen...

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-06-2017 10:27pm

Since they relayed it the pitch in the Hyde is very good.

The rest of the ground is not as bad as places like Ennis but not great either.

The problem is if you do major development, new stand, covered terrace etc, you are spending millions on another underutilized ground, just like you have in Castlebar and Salthill.

Back in the early 90s there was this talk of a single ground for Connacht finals, and Hyde Park was very much in the conversation, pity it was never followed up though.

yabadabado · 24-06-2017 1:08am

The Hyde was picked as the provincial ground back in the 90s .Voted on at CC but it didnt suit a few .
We are playing in Salthill this year again because a certain man wanted Castlebar to get the reply last summer when we were happy for Salthill to the reply.

Syferus · 24-06-2017 1:48am

yabadabado wrote: »

The Hyde was picked as the provincial ground back in the 90s .Voted on at CC but it didnt suit a few .
We are playing in Salthill this year again because a certain man wanted Castlebar to get the reply last summer when we were happy for Salthill to the reply.

By certain man you mean a management team more than half made up of Roscommon men.

Not a single Roscommon man or woman I knew would have looked forward to returning to the Wind Tunnel the next weekend given how poor a venue it is for sport, both in terms of the conditions and the wall-to-wall traffic. McHale was the brave, positive choice for a team whose goal was to win and not line John Prenty's pockets. That the team didn't deliver on the day is completely matterless.

Diabhal Beag · 24-06-2017 3:03am

It's actually gotten colder, wetter & winder since last year too.

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