Dublin Marathon 2019 tickets selling fast

thereality · 10-12-2018 12:43pm

Did anyone get a code from KBC yet? I signed up last Tuesday and the email verifying that would check if I was a customer. I have not heard from them since

dubal · 10-12-2018 12:55pm

thereality wrote: »

Did anyone get a code from KBC yet? I signed up last Tuesday and the email verifying that would check if I was a customer. I have not heard from them since

KBC are doing discount codes, will be useless when its sold out.

Irishder · 10-12-2018 1:20pm

Still waiting for mine to come through. They said the codes will work even if the marathon sells out!

incentsitive · 10-12-2018 3:18pm

Irishder wrote: »

Still waiting for mine to come through. They said the codes will work even if the marathon sells out!

Hi guys,

So I have registered, and am a KBC customer. Are you saying that you are registering and getting the discount retrospectively? How?

eoinín · 10-12-2018 3:19pm

Murph_D wrote: »

When you think about it, the charity connection is a bit of a pox on our sport.

I doubt the charities who benefit from all the fundraising through running events would see it that way.

Kissy Lips · 10-12-2018 4:19pm

Henry42 wrote: »

Why would it be?

Would it be because you post in a four page, ten day old thread about the Dublin Marathon selling out very soon, minutes after it sold out?

Could it be that?

Irishder · 10-12-2018 5:41pm

incentsitive wrote: »

Hi guys,

So I have registered, and am a KBC customer. Are you saying that you are registering and getting the discount retrospectively? How?

No when they give the discount code you log in and pay then. I hope!!

squinn2912 · 10-12-2018 9:56pm

Got burnt. Only have myself to blame. I hate the thought of running under someone else's name but it may have to be the way. It's hard to plan 11 months ahead...

ted1 · 10-12-2018 9:59pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The discount is substantial (50 instead of 93) but is it worth it if it sells out any KBC don’t come through?

Really? So they upped the price to everyone just to offer KBC customers a discount.
Kind if pi55ed off with KBC also have they really sold out or are they keeping places backnfir customers?

Burkie1203 · 10-12-2018 10:37pm

I went to RWC in 2015. I couldnt get to Cardiff for one of Irelands games. I popped back onto RWC2015 website. Stuck my ticket up for sale and 2 days later it was purchased by someone else. I got my money back, except the €3 processing fee. A new ticket was issued to the new buyer for a processing fee of €3 and the ticket price was paid back to my credit card

Simple. Its basic software these days. DCM should be able to offer a service in a window (August for example).

squinn2912 · 10-12-2018 10:41pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I went to RWC in 2015. I couldnt get to Cardiff for one of Irelands games. I popped back onto RWC2015 website. Stuck my ticket up for sale and 2 days later it was purchased by someone else. I got my money back, except the €3 processing fee. A new ticket was issued to the new buyer for a processing fee of €3 and the ticket price was paid back to my credit card

Simple. Its basic software these days. DCM should be able to offer a service in a window (August for example).

That would be great but I don't hold out much hope of that. They won't change much seeing that they're fully subscribed. I think they population budget as well. I don't think the course can cope with a full 20,000 so they bank on X amount not showing up.

sideshowbob321 · 10-12-2018 10:46pm

squinn2912 wrote:

That would be great but I don't hold out much hope of that. They won't change much seeing that they're fully subscribed. I think they population budget as well. I don't think the course can cope with a full 20,000 so they bank on X amount not showing up.

Selling out so early I'd be surprised if there's more 15K on the day ....

Kissy Lips · 10-12-2018 11:13pm

sideshowbob321 wrote: »

Selling out so early I'd be surprised if there's more 15K on the day ....

perfect, at least 5,000 more bar stools free on Baggot street.

thereality · 11-12-2018 2:00pm

ted1 wrote: »

Really? So they upped the price to everyone just to offer KBC customers a discount.
Kind if pi55ed off with KBC also have they really sold out or are they keeping places backnfir customers?

KBC is sponsoring this, so they have made the tickets cheaper than if there was no corporate sponsor

KBC have 250 tickets for their customers. So just over 1% of the entire race entry. So I think neither the discount nor the number of tickets is meaningful in the big picture of things

EC1000 · 11-12-2018 3:00pm

ted1 wrote: »

So they upped the price to everyone

No they didn't, it's the same price as last year.

adrian522 · 11-12-2018 3:24pm

sideshowbob321 wrote: »

Selling out so early I'd be surprised if there's more 15K on the day ....

That's pretty much what they would want/expect. They probably couldn't handle 20,000 participants but they know pretty much how many will no show based on previous experience, most races would sell more entries knowing there will be an amount of no-shows.

HelenAnne · 11-12-2018 3:48pm

I don't actually mind having missed sign up. I MIGHT consider it if there are more entries released in the spring and my running is going ok. Anyone else glad the pressure is off?

M.m.m. · 11-12-2018 3:51pm

thereality wrote: »

KBC is sponsoring this, so they have made the tickets cheaper than if there was no corporate sponsor

KBC have 250 tickets for their customers. So just over 1% of the entire race entry. So I think neither the discount nor the number of tickets is meaningful in the big picture of things

well thats not true, i remember when there was no sponsor and the prices were cheaper compared to the set-up for the last two years.

I love seeing DCM doing so well but when you think about it. They havent put anything into it for the punter since they changed to Sunday or got sponsorship back.

Unless Im missing something.

They've changed the structure so that you get penalised financially if you dont enter straight away.
Theres no t.v. coverage like there was years ago.
I know we stream now but the likes of London still put it on t.v.
Its a national heritage thing.

If KBC is so wondering maybe this year the punter will see some kind of return from them.

Or are they on board for the advertising?
20,000 sell out, tourists from abroad.

Djoucer · 11-12-2018 4:12pm

They’ve consistently put on a world class event for years. It now sells out in December. They’ve introduced refunds.

They’ve introduced the marathon mission, time bonuses for Irish athletes.

They broadcast 10 hours live of the marathon.

I’ll even give them credit for the perfect weather over the last fews years given how good the organisation is.

M.m.m. · 11-12-2018 4:17pm

Djoucer wrote: »

They’ve consistently put on a world class event for years. It now sells out in December. They’ve introduced refunds.

They’ve introduced the marathon mission, time bonuses for Irish athletes.

They broadcast 10 hours live of the marathon.

I’ll even give them credit for the perfect weather over the last fews years given how good the organisation is.

Have they introduced refunds?

Are the marathon mission guys being funded by DCM?

How much is it to broadcast 10 hours of the marathon on a stream?

All purely curious questions, since I didnt realise any of that.

TFBubendorfer · 11-12-2018 10:26pm

M.m.m. wrote: »

They've changed the structure so that you get penalised financially if you dont enter straight away.
Theres no t.v. coverage like there was years ago.
I know we stream now but the likes of London still put it on t.v.
Its a national heritage thing.

Utter nonsense.

1) The price was always tiered, it's just that the tiers used to be for what month you signed up for rather than how many runners had signed up already, but the fact that you tend to pay more when you sign up later hasn't changed at all.

2) TV coverage was for one single year only, when the then sponsor specifically paid RTE for it. Blame our national broadcaster for charging a mind-boggling fee for covering the marathon, not the organisers who cannot justify paying that kind of money.

Djoucer · 11-12-2018 10:53pm

It’s probably worth reading this fantastic interview about the marathon.

Covers quite a lot, including tv coverage.

https://www.fastrunning.com/events-and-races/dublin-marathon/the-explosive-growth-of-the-dublin-marathon/21153

M.m.m. · 11-12-2018 11:00pm

M.m.m. wrote: »

well thats not true, i remember when there was no sponsor and the prices were cheaper compared to the set-up for the last two years.

They've changed the structure so that you get penalised financially if you dont enter straight away.
Theres no t.v. coverage like there was years ago.
I know we stream now but the likes of London still put it on t.v.
Its a national heritage thing.

If KBC is so wondering maybe this year the punter will see some kind of return from them.

Or are they on board for the advertising?
20,000 sell out, tourists from abroad.

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Utter nonsense.

1) The price was always tiered, it's just that the tiers used to be for what month you signed up for rather than how many runners had signed up already, but the fact that you tend to pay more when you sign up later hasn't changed at all.

2) TV coverage was for one single year only, when the then sponsor specifically paid RTE for it. Blame our national broadcaster for charging a mind-boggling fee for covering the marathon, not the organisers who cannot justify paying that kind of money.

Quite frankly I dont have time for this nonsensical justification of the exploitation of run loving tax paying individuals.

Why change the entry structure, is it to benefit you Mr Blundertorfer?

I was speaking about the marathon in 2011, years ago, maybe not to you!

TFBubendorfer · 11-12-2018 11:07pm

M.m.m. wrote: »

Quite frankly I dont have time for this nonsensical justification of the exploitation of run loving tax paying individuals.

Why change the entry structure, is it to benefit you Mr Blundertorfer?

I was speaking about the marathon in 2011, years ago, maybe not to you!

Yes, 2011 was the one year when they did the broadcast. You just proved my point.

Just tell me, please, how I would benefit from a change in entry structure?

Djoucer · 11-12-2018 11:33pm

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Yes, 2011 was the one year when they did the broadcast. You just proved my point.

Just tell me, please, how I would benefit from a change in entry structure?

The marathon was broadcast live loads of times. There’s a few up on YouTube.

TFBubendorfer · 12-12-2018 6:35am

Djoucer wrote: »

The marathon was broadcast live loads of times. There’s a few up on YouTube.

In the 80s, yes, which was before my time.
Since I first ran it in 2004, the only year it was broadcast live on TV was 2011. The were highlights in other years, on RTE and/or Setanta Sports, but no live broadcasts.

Update: The only ones I can see on Youtube are 1989, 1990 and 2018 (which was streamed).

Van.Bosch · 12-12-2018 9:42am

M.m.m. wrote: »

Quite frankly I dont have time for this nonsensical justification of the exploitation of run loving tax paying individuals.

Why change the entry structure, is it to benefit you Mr Blundertorfer?

I was speaking about the marathon in 2011, years ago, maybe not to you!

What has “tax paying” got to do with anything?

Testosterscone · 12-12-2018 9:53am

Van.Bosch wrote: »

What has “tax paying” got to do with anything?

Because if you do you are entitled to give out about all and any private companies you willingly agree to sign up to do such is your given right they should be bending over backwards to make sure that you get more value than what you pay for so that you actually are saving money by putting them through the hassle of organizing said service.

Damn those capitalists pigs for providing services!

Testosterscone · 12-12-2018 9:57am

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

In the 80s, yes, which was before my time.
Since I first ran it in 2004, the only year it was broadcast live on TV was 2011. The were highlights in other years, on RTE and/or Setanta Sports, but no live broadcasts.

Update: The only ones I can see on Youtube are 1989, 1990 and 2018 (which was streamed).

Should also be noted back then RTE we’re making the content themselves and not simply selling the production and airing it. Wonder how many people would be willing to pay an extra 20e approx per entry (conservative figure IIRC) to cover this cost??

harr · 12-12-2018 10:11am

I found the the steaming fine as an alternative and it was focused between the elite runners and the rest of the field a lot of the time the big marathons on TV focus purely on the first 20 or so.
It was great watching the Dublin marathon on YouTube as ever so often you would see a familiar head pop up and we enjoyed watching it back after it was over.
I don’t run it myself the other half does and I bring the family up to watch.
One big improvement needed is public transport on the day ... the luas is unusable because of the crowd and a lot of trains cancelled this year because of maintenance schedules .

incentsitive · 12-12-2018 10:51am

If anybody is deeply unhappy about the event, there is nothing to stop you going out and running 26.2 miles on your own and stopping for a few mouthfuls of water, timing yourself, etc, etc.

The DCM is a fantastic event to be part of, the 20k entries should be happy to be part of it! It is an excellently ran event.

Murph_D · 12-12-2018 12:05pm

TV coverage is a simple equation: can costs be exceeded by advertising sales during the broadcast? It used to be that RTE were willing to provide such coverage at a net loss as it is only a semi-commercial organisation subsidised by license fee but this public service ethos has eroded due to cost and other pressures, not least of which is competition from other broadcasters for the advertising 'pie'. That said, RTE has lost so many of its sporting rights that athletics is beginning to look more attractive, with some fairly decent coverage of national events in recent years. If the marathon continues to grow in popularity, more importantly with the viewing public than with participants, the economics might change and we might get more live or highlight coverage. In the meantime, lower cost streaming coverage is filling the gap nicely and DCM continues to improve in this area, with some obvious investment this year especially.

TFBubendorfer · 12-12-2018 12:06pm

incentsitive wrote: »

If anybody is deeply unhappy about the event, there is nothing to stop you going out and running 26.2 miles on your own and stopping for a few mouthfuls of water, timing yourself, etc, etc.

The DCM is a fantastic event to be part of, the 20k entries should be happy to be part of it! It is an excellently ran event.

This!

Or they can sign up and run low-key, very cheap events with the likes of MCI or EOI, both of which I can heartily recommend but if you think it's the same experience as DCM then you'd be sorely mistaken.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 12:41pm

I would like point towards the IAAF Road Race Labels: Gold, Silver Bronze.

Broadcast Requirements
3.14.1 All races shall endeavour to achieve the widest possible television coverage of the race. This shall include: domestic coverage of at least 2 hours for a Marathon (and pro-rata for shorter events) and broadcast (live, delayed or highlights) and/or free streaming Internet coverage of the full race to broadcast standard. Internet usage (viewers) shall be authenticated by
audited statistics (example: Hitbox or other industry standard auditing).
3.14.2 Gold Label Races must be able to document full coverage of the race as
above in at least five different countries by supplying details of at least five
international broadcasters distributing the race coverage.
3.14.3 Silver Label Races must be able to document domestic TV coverage of the
full race by a national TV channel.
3.14.4 Bronze Label Races should make available highlights of their event to
national TV broadcasters where possible.

Dublin doesn't make the list because of this and a number of other factors. The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

RayCun · 12-12-2018 12:53pm

dublin runner wrote: »

I would like point towards the IAAF Road Race Labels: Gold, Silver Bronze.

Dublin doesn't make the list because of this and a number of other factors. The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

Dublin would probably qualify as a Bronze level race on the broadcast requirements? "make available highlights of their event to
national TV broadcasters where possible"

I think this year it also satisfied the elite field requirement of at least five men from at least four countries running under 2:16, and 5 women from 4 countries under 2:38)

I wonder does it meet the road closures requirement

The whole course must be closed to vehicular traffic, with the exclusion of
official vehicles, for the duration of the event until the published cut-off time.
The Start will be traffic free until the last runner has started and the Finish will
be traffic free until the last runner finishes or the cut-off time is reached.
3.7.2 In the case of dual carriageways, only the carriageway on which the
participants will run needs be closed to vehicular traffic.

for the section beside the Stillorgan dual carraigeway, and maybe the road section in Walkinstown?

Djoucer · 12-12-2018 12:57pm

dublin runner wrote: »

I would like point towards the IAAF Road Race Labels: Gold, Silver Bronze.

Dublin doesn't make the list because of this and a number of other factors. The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

That’s a pretty terrible way to judge a race in my opinion. More to do with revenue than being punter friendly.

Dublin marathon have already said they’re not interested in attracting the top Africans as it does little for the race or irish athletes.

You have the majors and there’s v little room for any more races to join that list.

Outside the majors, Dublin holds its own and have taken great initiatives such as broadcasting entire race online.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 12:58pm

RayCun wrote: »

Dublin would probably qualify as a Bronze level race on the broadcast requirements? "make available highlights of their event to
national TV broadcasters where possible"

I think this year it also satisfied the elite field requirement of at least five men from at least four countries running under 2:16, and 5 women from 4 countries under 2:38)

I wonder does it meet the road closures requirement

for the section beside the Stillorgan dual carraigeway, and maybe the road section in Walkinstown?

Yeah, several sections of the course would cause issues.

Also an issue -

4. Prize Money / Awards
4.1 Prize money offered to competitors, including bonuses for times achieved shall be equal for all competitors regardless of their nationality or gender – in other words prize money for places should be equal for men and women and for nationals of the host country and athletes of other nationalities.

EC1000 · 12-12-2018 12:58pm

dublin runner wrote: »

The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

A participants view of whether an event is world class or not depends on their experience of participating in that event and how it is run on the day. Whether something is broadcast on one, five or no countries does not prevent someone from experiencing a world class race.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 1:00pm

Djoucer wrote: »

That’s a pretty terrible way to judge a race in my opinion. More to do with revenue than being punter friendly.

Dublin marathon have already said they’re not interested in attracting the top Africans as it does little for the race or irish athletes.

You have the majors and there’s v little room for any more races to join that list.

Outside the majors, Dublin holds its own and have taken great initiatives such as broadcasting entire race online.

Are you being serious?

The IAAF Road Labelling System is a 'terrible way to judge a race'?

My word.

El CabaIIo · 12-12-2018 1:01pm

dublin runner wrote: »

I would like point towards the IAAF Road Race Labels: Gold, Silver Bronze.

Dublin doesn't make the list because of this and a number of other factors. The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

The Great Ireland Run is an Iaaf Silver label event and is a shambles most of the time, the only reason it has that label is because of the huge money paid in appearance fees to world class athletes and such by Brendan Foster and the great run company. Just because you cant get an IAAF label doesn't mean you don't have an exceptionally well organised race. The IAAF label is more akin to races that huge sponsors or commercial backing and are basically firing money at the event.

I don't think I've heard anyone refer to Dublin as one of the best in the World but that doesn't mean it isn't well organised or a verly high level European or World marathon. In the last decade, the race has had a Russian national record, An Olympic Silver Medalist and a 2:08 Kenyan run it, you think those kind of guys show up to a good national marathon?

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 1:01pm

EC1000 wrote: »

A participants view of whether an event is world class or not depends on their experience of participating in that event and how it is run on the day. Whether something is broadcast on one, five or no countries does not prevent someone from experiencing a world class race.

The topic progressed on to broadcasting, hence the rationale of bringing that particular requirement to attention.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 1:05pm

El CabaIIo wrote: »

The Great Ireland Run is an Iaaf Silver label event and is a shambles most of the time, the only reason it has that label is because of the huge money paid in appearance fees to world class athletes and such by Brendan Foster and the great run company. Just because you cant get an IAAF label doesn't mean you don't have an exceptionally well organised race. The IAAF label is more akin to races that huge sponsors or commercial backing and are basically firing money at the event.

I don't think I've heard anyone refer to Dublin as one of the best in the World but that doesn't mean it isn't well organised or a verly high level European or World marathon. In the last decade, the race has had a Russian national record, An Olympic Silver Medalist and a 2:08 Kenyan run it, you think those kind of guys show up to a good national marathon?

I can easily compare, having completed 2 Gold Label Marathons. Personal experience, personal opinion.

You can point to the above winners but they are the exception, not the rule. Again, it is a very good event and race.

ultrapercy · 12-12-2018 1:08pm

dublin runner wrote: »

I would like point towards the IAAF Road Race Labels: Gold, Silver Bronze.

Broadcast Requirements
3.14.1 All races shall endeavour to achieve the widest possible television coverage of the race. This shall include: domestic coverage of at least 2 hours for a Marathon (and pro-rata for shorter events) and broadcast (live, delayed or highlights) and/or free streaming Internet coverage of the full race to broadcast standard. Internet usage (viewers) shall be authenticated by
audited statistics (example: Hitbox or other industry standard auditing).
3.14.2 Gold Label Races must be able to document full coverage of the race as
above in at least five different countries by supplying details of at least five
international broadcasters distributing the race coverage.
3.14.3 Silver Label Races must be able to document domestic TV coverage of the
full race by a national TV channel.
3.14.4 Bronze Label Races should make available highlights of their event to
national TV broadcasters where possible.

Dublin doesn't make the list because of this and a number of other factors. The truth is that while DCM is a good quality national race, it is very far from the international or 'world-class' event some people make it out to be.

I wouldn't say very far, a step behind maybe but not a million miles. It's still for me the best of all the marathons I have ran. Some things can be improved of course. A proper tracking system and foil blankets at the finish being 2 within the organisers control. Some other things that could be improved are outside the organisers control such as public transport, road surface and accommodation availability and costs.. If Dublin was a better city Dublin Marathon would be a better marathon but they play the cards they have been dealt. They have improved it over the years and will continue to do so I believe so it's an event to take pride in rather than detract from.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 1:11pm

ultrapercy wrote: »

I wouldn't say very far, a step behind maybe but not a million miles. It's still for me the best of all the marathons I have ran. Some things can be improved of course. A proper tracking system and foil blankets at the finish being 2 within the organisers control. Some other things that could be improved are outside the organisers control such as public transport, road surface and accommodation availability and costs.. If Dublin was a better city Dublin Marathon would be a better marathon but they play the cards they have been dealt. They have improved it over the years and will continue to do so I believe so it's an event to take pride in rather than detract from.

For sure.

I just brought the labelling system into the discussion due to the nature of the discussion. There would be nobody happier than myself to see the marathon progress and be broadcast.

El CabaIIo · 12-12-2018 1:19pm

dublin runner wrote: »

I can easily compare, having completed 2 Gold Label Marathons. Personal experience, personal opinion.

You can point to the above winners but they are the exception, not the rule. Again, it is a very good event and race.

You are comparing to races which have probably close to 100 times the budget of the DCM. Nobody is saying DCM is on the level of a Berlin or Rotterdam, it can't possibly compare to them, they ARE the most major races on the planet. Outside of those hugely funded races, the DCM compares massively well against other European and World marathons when it comes to competition and everything else.

dublin runner · 12-12-2018 1:23pm

El CabaIIo wrote: »

You are comparing to races which have probably close to 100 times the budget of the DCM. Nobody is saying DCM is on the level of a Berlin or Rotterdam, it can't possibly compare to them, they ARE the most major races on the planet. Outside of those hugely funded races, the DCM compares massively well against other European and World marathons when it comes to competition and everything else.

With all respect, I would have to completely disagree.

I am a huge fan of DCM and don't want to derail the thread. It is great to see marathon running and running in general grow and prosper.

El CabaIIo · 12-12-2018 1:25pm

dublin runner wrote: »

With all respect, I would have to completely disagree.

I am a huge fan of DCM and don't want to derail the thread. It is great to see marathon running and running in general grow and prosper.

You just agreed with ultrapercy who said pretty much the same thing.

incentsitive · 12-12-2018 1:26pm

I don't think DCM needs foil blankets at the end, what a waste that would be. You have your bag back within 5-10 minutes max, the last thing DCM needs is another 20k foil blankets going into a landfill.

bucketybuck · 12-12-2018 1:28pm

dublin runner wrote: »

With all respect, I would have to completely disagree.

I am a huge fan of DCM and don't want to derail the thread. It is great to see marathon running and running in general grow and prosper.

You disagree that it compares to other European and wold marathons?

Why doesn't it? Because it isn't live on RTE?

RayCun · 12-12-2018 1:32pm

El CabaIIo wrote: »

You are comparing to races which have probably close to 100 times the budget of the DCM. Nobody is saying DCM is on the level of a Berlin or Rotterdam, it can't possibly compare to them, they ARE the most major races on the planet. Outside of those hugely funded races, the DCM compares massively well against other European and World marathons when it comes to competition and everything else.

Dublin has higher numbers than Rotterdam, Brighton, and Bournemouth. It's a much better event than the Great Ireland Run.

But even if issues like the route and broadcast coverage could be resolved, I don't know if the organisers would be interested in giving up the Irish prize pool to get an IAAF badge.

Dublin Marathon 2019 tickets selling fast

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