Whistleblower: Maurice McCabe

hatrickpatrick · 18-11-2018 6:00pm

Edward M wrote: »

5 million is the figure being bandied about this morning that McCabe is to be offered.
Would be a good settlement now.

And I'd argue that a proportion of that should come directly from Callinan's personal funds, as the named individual responsible for defaming McCabe. Not just an office or organisation, the individual himself. That might go some way towards scaring the sh!t out of any other douchebag who's contemplating doing anything similar - as it stands right now, the message to douchebags in power is "get caught being a douchebag, face no consequences other than reputational damage". It's not good enough.

Mrsmum · 18-11-2018 6:37pm

I would like to see a public statement of apology from AGS to Maurice McCabe.

dulpit · 18-11-2018 7:17pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And I'd argue that a proportion of that should come directly from Callinan's personal funds, as the named individual responsible for defaming McCabe. Not just an office or organisation, the individual himself. That might go some way towards scaring the sh!t out of any other douchebag who's contemplating doing anything similar - as it stands right now, the message to douchebags in power is "get caught being a douchebag, face no consequences other than reputational damage". It's not good enough.

I heard somewhere last week that McCabe didn't sue Callinan directly, as it would likely result in him getting €0, at least the state will pay his award..

rob316 · 18-11-2018 7:41pm

It's about half a million a year for every year his name and his family's was smeared. It's not alot when you look at it like that. He lost 10 years of his life due to doing the right thing.

Money is of little healing for him, I'm sure he'd have loved going about his business quietly as a Sergeant.

I'd have bottled it if I was him, tremendous bravery.

elperello · 18-11-2018 7:50pm

dulpit wrote: »

I heard somewhere last week that McCabe didn't sue Callinan directly, as it would likely result in him getting €0, at least the state will pay his award..

First rule of suing. Follow the money.

Seriously though, as much as we might like to see Callinan in bother I would advise caution.

It is essential to the operation of public services that the State underwrite damages in cases like this.

Unless we want everyone in authority to close down on making any decision about any issue the State must be prepared to be the ultimate guarantor.

rob316 · 18-11-2018 8:03pm

elperello wrote: »

First rule of suing. Follow the money.

Seriously though, as much as we might like to see Callinan in bother I would advise caution.

It is essential to the operation of public services that the State underwrite damages in cases like this.

Unless we want everyone in authority to close down on making any decision about any issue the State must be prepared to be the ultimate guarantor.

He has to be face some sort of financial penalty though. But he won't I know

STB. · 18-11-2018 8:15pm

elperello wrote: »

First rule of suing. Follow the money.

Seriously though, as much as we might like to see Callinan in bother I would advise caution.

It is essential to the operation of public services that the State underwrite damages in cases like this.

Unless we want everyone in authority to close down on making any decision about any issue the State must be prepared to be the ultimate guarantor.

Caution against what ?

The point the person is making is that Callinan should also be held personally accountable. You just dont get to resign having been caught by the bollox. There has been a case here that the state was required to defend. It resulted in tribunals and serious cases of wrong doing. Allowing such abuse of power without personal accountability would be a dangerous precedent to make.

Accountability lies with Callinan in the first instance. Now what is the punishment ?

elperello · 18-11-2018 8:19pm

rob316 wrote: »

He has to be face some sort of financial penalty though. But he won't I know

I would prefer to focus on the injured party. It is important that they get justice when wronged by a public servant.

They shouldn't need to rely on the financial resources of a State employee to get a fair settlement.

Let the criminal justice system take it's course.

18-11-2018 8:55pm

There a lot to praise McCabe for in terms of his bravery and resilience. You can pick any one aspect and stand back in admiration.
Just imagine even one guard challenging a culture that went back decades of cancelling speeding fines or more recently, cancelling penalty points for friends and relations etc- probably seen as a “perk of the job”That in itself takes some balls- he was absolutely right to do it. And I’d say that eigit Callannan knew he was right and was secretly kicking himself for being shown up in public.
His ego got the better of him- Disgusting!!!!! :P

elperello · 18-11-2018 10:13pm

STB. wrote: »

Caution against what ?

The point the person is making is that Callinan should also be held personally accountable. You just dont get to resign having been caught by the bollox. There has been a case here that the state was required to defend. It resulted in tribunals and serious cases of wrong doing. Allowing such abuse of power without personal accountability would be a dangerous precedent to make.

Accountability lies with Callinan in the first instance. Now what is the punishment ?

Caution against tying the fate of the plaintiff to the financial standing of a State employee.

As regards punishment let the law take it's course.

mickdw · 18-11-2018 10:25pm

elperello wrote: »

Caution against tying the fate of the plaintiff to the financial standing of a State employee.

As regards punishment let the law take it's course.

Fair enough, you can't have a situation where McCabe depends on callinan personal wealth to compensate him however in a case where the state employee acted knowingly and fraudulently outside the powers of the job held, all pension payments over and above the basic state pension rate should be open to claw back until any costs to the state as recovered.
Chance of this happening: zero.

elperello · 18-11-2018 10:31pm

mickdw wrote: »

Fair enough, you can't have a situation where McCabe depends on callinan personal wealth to compensate him however in a case where the state employee acted knowingly and fraudulently outside the powers of the job held, all pension payments over and above the basic state pension rate should be open to claw back until any costs to the state as recovered.
Chance of this happening: zero.

You are probably right that there is little chance of this happening.

Legislation would be needed and proof would be difficult.

CucaFace · 19-11-2018 9:57am

What sickened me was the part where the Guards in the pub had the stuffed rat and were making comments about him being ' rat ba##ard' ect ect.

That's what dirty criminal scum bags say about each other and also when they try to intimidate others to not go to the garda with information, this shows that they are no different really. Garda already have a problem getting people to give them information, how does this make them look now?

Each and everyone of those who could be identified should be named and removed from the force.

Our police force are a disgrace on so many levels....

BattleCorp · 19-11-2018 5:56pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And I'd argue that a proportion of that should come directly from Callinan's personal funds, as the named individual responsible for defaming McCabe.

Not a single cent will be deducted from Callinan's personal funds, pension etc. He's away scott free.

We don't do accountability in this Country.

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 6:05pm

Not going to come from Callinans money.what if his defence is "my information on Mc Cabe came from a Superintendant close to McCabe or from the Press Officer who was briefed by someone else". He heard it in "good faith" from a trusted source so to speak.
Shyt always flows downhill so I could only envisage a junior rank ending up with any blame.

Waste of time to sue Callinan imo.

holyhead · 19-11-2018 6:07pm

It looks like Callinan was a bully and a thoroughly nasty individual. To smear a man's name for merely highlighting malpractice proves that Callinan was wholly unsuited to be Garda Commissioner. When the head of an organisation demonises someone for highlighting malpractice what message does that send to others. Callinan has damaged the office of Garda Commissioner and in a most malicious fashion bullied a member of the organisation he himself was head of and has cost the taxpayer millions in redress payments for his heinous actions. A man is entitled his good name and Callinan bent over backwards to, without cause, take it away from someone. It is right that the state makes sure that a state employee is appropriately compensated for being the victim of gross misconduct. Yes in an ideal world Callinan should have to sell his house and shirt off his back and should be stripped of his pension but this is Ireland where only the little people pay for misdemeanours.
Callinan's name is destroyed and that probably is as good as it's going to get. Personally if I saw him I would kick him in the balls as hard as I could. I hate the man. He is an odious repulsive bastard who deserves to rot in hell.

ohnonotgmail · 19-11-2018 6:11pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Not going to come from Callinans money.what if his defence is "my information on Mc Cabe came from a Superintendant close to McCabe or from the Press Officer who was briefed by someone else". He heard it in "good faith" from a trusted source so to speak.
Shyt always flows downhill so I could only envisage a junior rank ending up with any blame.

Waste of time to sue Callinan imo.

Not if the state wont cover Callinans legal fees. Even if McCabe never received a penny from Callinan the legal fees alone would do serious damage to Callinan.

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 6:17pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not if the state wont cover Callinans legal fees. Even if McCabe never received a penny from Callinan the legal fees alone would do serious damage to Callinan.

Can't see that happening either.
He would claim he was acting as an agent of the state and that the information he "received" on Mc Cabe was supplied to him from a junior officer. He would say he was led to believe it was all true. Plus there was a complaint made by Miss D to back up his claim.

ohnonotgmail · 19-11-2018 6:20pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Can't see that happening either.
He would claim he was acting as an agent of the state and that the information he "received" on Mc Cabe was supplied to him from a junior officer. He would say he was led to believe it was all true. Plus there was a complaint made by Miss D to back up his claim.

except none of the things he did were consistent with his role. When you are acting ultra vires as he was you cannot depend on the state to back you up.

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 6:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

except none of the things he did were consistent with his role. When you are acting ultra vires as he was you cannot depend on the state to back you up.

Was it not more intra vires though from his PoV?

ohnonotgmail · 19-11-2018 6:24pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Was it not more intra vires though?

I dont think trying to tarnish the good name of one of your officers is a normal part of the office of commissioner on An Garda Siochana.

tayto lover · 19-11-2018 6:33pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont think trying to tarnish the good name of one of your officers is a normal part of the office of commissioner on An Garda Siochana.

I know it isn't.
However he's not going to say he did it on purpose.
He's going to say his evidence was based on information supplied to him of course in good faith.
He'll be well prepared by his defence too.
Would love if you were right but I can't see it happening.

holyhead · 19-11-2018 8:28pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And, what was that exactly?
I mean people seem to jump on the hero bandwagon a bit too eagerly.
Yes the man had a hard time, his superiors treated him badly.
But what did he do to make him a hero?

He told the world that superintendents were cancelling tickets for friends & acquaintances, but why would the whole country think that made him a hero? Since when did the majority of public think tickets were so important? The amount of posts I see in here where people complain about gardai doing check points or seizing vehicles etc.....

Yes, it was right to show wrong doing, there should have been a better reaction by garda management. But, a hero? Seems a bit much.

While you are entitled to your opinion, anyone who watched the two part programme would have to be impressed by him. This man is a hero. This man sought to shine a light on incompetence when he saw it in an Garda Siochana. How was he thanked? The head of the Garda Siochana sought to destroy him and in the most heinous way possible. He was shunned by his colleagues. He kept going despite every obstacle being put in his way. If Drew Harris is worth anything, we will have a better police force because of the light shone on malpractice by Maurice McCabe.
Given what he was put through he came across as dignified, restrained in tone and possessed of a steely determination to improve standards in AGS and to clear his name. Great credit due to his wife and John McGuinness.

Odhinn · 19-11-2018 8:31pm

holyhead wrote: »

It looks like Callinan was a bully and a thoroughly nasty individual. To smear a man's name for merely highlighting malpractice proves that Callinan was wholly unsuited to be Garda Commissioner. When the head of an organisation demonises someone for highlighting malpractice what message does that send to others. Callinan has damaged the office of Garda Commissioner and in a most malicious fashion bullied a member of the organisation he himself was head of and has cost the taxpayer millions in redress payments for his heinous actions. A man is entitled his good name and Callinan bent over backwards to, without cause, take it away from someone. It is right that the state makes sure that a state employee is appropriately compensated for being the victim of gross misconduct. Yes in an ideal world Callinan should have to sell his house and shirt off his back and should be stripped of his pension but this is Ireland where only the little people pay for misdemeanours.
Callinan's name is destroyed and that probably is as good as it's going to get. Personally if I saw him I would kick him in the balls as hard as I could. I hate the man. He is an odious repulsive bastard who deserves to rot in hell.

............as will be known in the fullness of time, take it away from quite a few people.

Muahahaha · 19-11-2018 11:44pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Can't see that happening either.
He would claim he was acting as an agent of the state and that the information he "received" on Mc Cabe was supplied to him from a junior officer. He would say he was led to believe it was all true. Plus there was a complaint made by Miss D to back up his claim.

tayto McCabe was cleared of the Ms.D allegations by the DPP in 2008, the Garda file on the alleged incident said as much. That should have been the end of it but Callinan then evolved that 2008 dismissed allegation of sexual assault into telling John McGuinness TD that McCabe fiddles with his own kids in 2014, a full six years later. None of McCabes children have alleged anything of the sort so this was clearly Callinan out to destroy McCabes character. The defence that he got this information as an agent of the state wont stand up to scrutiny because it was a complete fabrication in the first place. If he did want to use that defence in a civil case then he will be asked to produce the junior Gardai he claims told him. It would be lies on top of other lies.

Seth Brundle · 20-11-2018 2:45pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

I would like to see a public statement of apology from AGS to Maurice McCabe.

Why? McCabe and his family were apologised to by the current commissioner and McCabe apparently accepted it.
What is the need for AGS to publicly make the apology?

Auguste Comte · 20-11-2018 3:12pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Mrsmum wrote: »

I would like to see a public statement of apology from AGS to Maurice McCabe.

Why? McCabe and his family were apologised to by the current commissioner and McCabe apparently accepted it.
What is the need for AGS to publicly make the apology?

In fareness they should apologise to the public for what went on and the money it is going to cost them.

Mrsmum · 20-11-2018 3:14pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why? McCabe and his family were apologised to by the current commissioner and McCabe apparently accepted it.
What is the need for AGS to publicly make the apology?

Well I suppose whenever any Taoiseach apologised to a person or group he would have apologised in person but also then apologise on the record in the Dáil. I think Drew Harris having a private chat with M McCabe and saying a private sorry to him does not have the same gravitas to it as a formal statement. Imo it would be good for all members of AGS, especially M McCabe's enemies within the force, to hear that apology too and understand what it means so they can no longer be muttering under their breath about him.

Deise Vu · 20-11-2018 3:42pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

tayto McCabe was cleared of the Ms.D allegations by the DPP in 2008, the Garda file on the alleged incident said as much. That should have been the end of it but Callinan then evolved that 2008 dismissed allegation of sexual assault into telling John McGuinness TD that McCabe fiddles with his own kids in 2014, a full six years later. None of McCabes children have alleged anything of the sort so this was clearly Callinan out to destroy McCabes character. The defence that he got this information as an agent of the state wont stand up to scrutiny because it was a complete fabrication in the first place. If he did want to use that defence in a civil case then he will be asked to produce the junior Gardai he claims told him. It would be lies on top of other lies.

Your sequence of events omits Tusla. The original allegation was dismissed by AGS / DPP. It was only when the child was getting counselling in her teens that the allegations were resurrected and we had the GUBU situation where, allegedly, cut and paste errors were made. Tusla, not AGS then opened files on McCabes kids.

If I was Callinan's counsel I would be telling him to beat the drum for the wonderful work of AGS and asking what could a fella do in the light of what Tusla had reported but question McCabe's integrity and motives.

Of course we can all have suspicions as to why Tusla made such egregious errors but unless someone in Tusla admits something, Callinan is bombproof in my opinion. He can legitimately state that his information was based on investigations carried out by Tusla.

ohnonotgmail · 20-11-2018 3:44pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

Your sequence of events omits Tusla. The original allegation was dismissed by AGS / DPP. It was only when the child was getting counselling in her teens that the allegations were resurrected and we had the GUBU situation where, allegedly, cut and paste errors were made. Tusla, not AGS then opened files on McCabes kids.

If I was Callinan's counsel I would be telling him to beat the drum for the wonderful work of AGS and asking what could a fella do in the light of what Tusla had reported but question McCabe's integrity and motives.

Of course we can all have suspicions as to why Tusla made such egregious errors but unless someone in Tusla admits something, Callinan is bombproof in my opinion. He can legitimately state that his information was based on investigations carried out by Tusla.

what is the justification for repeating the allegation to people not in AGS?

Deise Vu · 20-11-2018 3:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is the justification for repeating the allegation to people not in AGS?

To defend the honour and integrity of AGS. He will say that, in his view Sgt McCabe was unjustifiably blackening AGS, and he was giving reporters the reason why McCabe couldn't be trusted. Unless / until the Tusla story is discredited, Callinan can say he was only repeating what was on their files.

For the life of me I cannot understand why no-one seems to have been asked why McCabe wasn't arrested or questioned unless AGS knew the files were BS, but I presume that ship has sailed at this stage unless there is new evidence.

ohnonotgmail · 20-11-2018 3:55pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

To defend the honour and integrity of AGS. He will say that, in his view Sgt McCabe was unjustifiably blackening AGS, and he was giving reporters the reason why McCabe couldn't be trusted. Unless / until the Tusla story is discredited, Callinan can say he was only repeating what was on their files.

For the life of me I cannot understand why no-one seems to have been asked why McCabe wasn't arrested or questioned unless AGS knew the files were BS, but I presume that ship has sailed at this stage unless there is new evidence.

well you have just asked it. as will whatever barrister is hired by mccabe. The whole thing does not stand up. Remember the burden of proof is a lot lower in civil cases. Mccabes case against callinan meets that standard to my mind.

givyjoe · 20-11-2018 4:54pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

To defend the honour and integrity of AGS. He will say that, in his view Sgt McCabe was unjustifiably blackening AGS, and he was giving reporters the reason why McCabe couldn't be trusted. Unless / until the Tusla story is discredited, Callinan can say he was only repeating what was on their files.

For the life of me I cannot understand why no-one seems to have been asked why McCabe wasn't arrested or questioned unless AGS knew the files were BS, but I presume that ship has sailed at this stage unless there is new evidence.

Perhaps Callinan himself could answer that.. you know as well as I do there isn't any new evidence to uncover. Of course AGS knew the files were bullsh1t, including Callinan. You cannot possibly draw any other conclusion without taking massive leaps of faith, which AGS are not deserving of.

Deise Vu · 20-11-2018 6:34pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Perhaps Callinan himself could answer that.. you know as well as I do there isn't any new evidence to uncover. Of course AGS knew the files were bullsh1t, including Callinan. You cannot possibly draw any other conclusion without taking massive leaps of faith, which AGS are not deserving of.

The Tribunal has accepted that the Tusla errors were just that, errors. I don't know where anyone else is going to go with that. It doesn't matter what anyone on Boards knows, or thinks they know, or suspects, Justice Charlton drew a line under it, he found no connection between the Tusla errors and AGS.

jmayo · 20-11-2018 6:44pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

The Tribunal has accepted that the Tusla errors were just that, errors. I don't know where anyone else is going to go with that. It doesn't matter what anyone on Boards knows, or thinks they know, or suspects, Justice Charlton drew a line under it, he found no connection between the Tusla errors and AGS.

Of all the files in all of Tusla, it is funny how it was that exact one that they managed to do the copy and paste on. :rolleyes:

Coincidence?
Must be.

After all a justice in a Tribunal thinks so.

But just imagine if the grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented situation arose where it was found that someone in Tusla, on the prompting of someone in the AGS, had mischievously set out to doctor the file relating to a Garda Whistleblower.

Imagine the can of worms that would open up.
Nah that could never ever happen.

It is not as if there are very many links between members of our AGS and say employees of the Health Service or it's offspring.

It is almost as ludicrous as finding a cross over between taxi drivers and ex Gardai or Gardai and landlords. :eek:

BTW you wouldn't happen to have the good justice's contact details.
There is a Nigerian lad that wnats some help transferring some of my cousins money out of the country and I reckon he is just the man to help.

givyjoe · 20-11-2018 6:54pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

The Tribunal has accepted that the Tusla errors were just that, errors. I don't know where anyone else is going to go with that. It doesn't matter what anyone on Boards knows, or thinks they know, or suspects, Justice Charlton drew a line under it, he found no connection between the Tusla errors and AGS.

So Utter unbelievable coincidence and outrageous incompetence is more likely than a deliberate attempt to smear McCabe.. the reality is it just couldn't be proven. If only there were mobile phones where such evidence might exist.

Honestly, the opinions of guards here and those close to them really doesn't inspire much confidence for the future.

tayto lover · 20-11-2018 7:58pm

givyjoe wrote: »

So Utter unbelievable coincidence and outrageous incompetence is more likely than a deliberate attempt to smear McCabe.. the reality is it just couldn't be proven. If only there were mobile phones where such evidence might exist.

Honestly, the opinions of guards here and those close to them really doesn't inspire much confidence for the future.

I'm not close to anyone in the Garda but I think that certain posters on here love to vent at them and as someone already said "tar them all with the same brush".
I think that's silly and vindictive. The vast majority of dealings I have had with them have been very positive. I live close to the border and meet them regularly in my travels.
There are bad apples in every job.
My opinion and I have expressed it here very often is that you have to separate policing from politicians. That's where most of the trouble stems. They can weed out the lower ranks quite easily but not the top ranks who are politically promoted.

givyjoe · 20-11-2018 8:30pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm not close to anyone in the Garda but I think that certain posters on here love to vent at them and as someone already said "tar them all with the same brush".
I think that's silly and vindictive. The vast majority of dealings I have had with them have been very positive. I live close to the border and meet them regularly in my travels.
There are bad apples in every job.
My opinion and I have expressed it here very often is that you have to separate policing from politicians. That's where most of the trouble stems. They can weed out the lower ranks quite easily but not the top ranks who are politically promoted.

How many posts here from guards were criticizing Callinan, Taylor or the colleagues of McCabe, whithout some bullsh1t whatabouttery aimed at McCabe himself. Most of the posts obviously from Guards here, have been critical of McCabe directly or indirectly.

And again, I don't think any police force guilty of falsifying breath test records, on a grand scale, at all levels, is one deserving of praise. Your anecdotal experiences don't really change that. Countless others here I'm sure can tell many negative experiences.

Whatever good ones there are, there are far too many bad apples at all levels severely damaging their reputation.

tayto lover · 20-11-2018 9:56pm

givyjoe wrote: »

How many posts here from guards were criticizing Callinan, Taylor or the colleagues of McCabe, whithout some bullsh1t whatabouttery aimed at McCabe himself. Most of the posts obviously from Guards here, have been critical of McCabe directly or indirectly.

And again, I don't think any police force guilty of falsifying breath test records, on a grand scale, at all levels, is one deserving of praise. Your anecdotal experiences don't really change that. Countless others here I'm sure can tell many negative experiences.

Whatever good ones there are, there are far too many bad apples at all levels severely damaging their reputation.

As has been pointed out here, and I asked the question myself, only rank of inspector and above could cancel the penalty points so it doesn't seem that it was at all levels. I heard McCabe stating that garda were complaining to him that the points they gave to people were quashed. I know he had bad experiences with certain garda members but I heard him say he had very good backing from most of them. They were probably afraid to back him public ally in case they met the same fate as him. I posted an article about Joe Geary that you should read or maybe someone else posted it to show how people had been victimised years ago too,
And I said there were bad apples but not as many as some would like to think.
I'm a pensioner and have been meeting them for many years along the border and have never had a bad experience with them.
Maybe some people vent because they have been caught for something.

givyjoe · 20-11-2018 10:02pm

tayto lover wrote: »

As has been pointed out here, and I asked the question myself, only rank of inspector and above could cancel the penalty points so it doesn't seem that it was at all levels. I heard McCabe stating that garda were complaining to him that the points they gave to people were quashed. I know he had bad experiences with certain garda members but I heard him say he had very good backing from most of them. They were probably afraid to back him public ally in case they met the same fate as him. I posted an article about Joe Geary that you should read or maybe someone else posted it to show how people had been victimised years ago too,
And I said there were bad apples but not as many as some would like to think.
I'm a pensioner and have been meeting them for many years along the border and have never had a bad experience with them.
Maybe some people vent because they have been caught for something.

You didn't read my post, I made specific reference to the falsified breath tests. Never mind the dodgy reporting on murder stats. Do you honestly believe the insidious behaviour of the guards in bailiborough is isolated?

Nobody wants to think there's lots of bad apples, but not for one second do I believe it isn't a number significant enough to create and perpetuate a toxic culture.

ohnonotgmail · 20-11-2018 10:02pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

The Tribunal has accepted that the Tusla errors were just that, errors. I don't know where anyone else is going to go with that. It doesn't matter what anyone on Boards knows, or thinks they know, or suspects, Justice Charlton drew a line under it, he found no connection between the Tusla errors and AGS.

There is nothing to stop the evidence being re-examined in a civil trial.

Sycamore Tree · 21-11-2018 12:35am

Deise Vu wrote: »

The Tribunal has accepted that the Tusla errors were just that, errors. I don't know where anyone else is going to go with that. It doesn't matter what anyone on Boards knows, or thinks they know, or suspects, Justice Charlton drew a line under it, he found no connection between the Tusla errors and AGS.

I think most rational people know that even though the tribunal could not find the proof of wrongdoing, there was absolutely deliberate wrongdoing with that file in Tusla.

Deise Vu · 21-11-2018 10:39am

I am getting the sinking feeling that people think I am backing Callinan and the official AGS view of events. I have been screaming from the rooftops since it first emerged, that the Tusla 'error' is the scariest thing I have ever seen from a vast list of official wrong doing I have witnessed in this country (today actually isn't that bad compared with the 70's, 80's and 90's). But the simple fact remains that the story couldn't be cracked by senior counsel cross examination and was accepted by an experienced judge. No amount of rolleyes emojis is going to alter that fact.

diceyriley · 21-11-2018 12:09pm

ProudDUB wrote:

OP, why not give us a rough idea of the gist of the slanderous comment? Mainly because I'm very, very bored in work, but also because peoples interpretation of slanderous can be very different. Some people are so up their own arse, that anyone who says anything remotely negative to them (or about them) is being slanderous. It's often not the case, once a bit of common sense or perspective is brought to the table.

incentsitive wrote:

Given Black Friday has been taken on in Ireland in a similar way to Love Day in The Simpsons, should we celebrate Thanksgiving too?

tretorn wrote:

I have always had great service from our local Gardai and to be fair Mc Cabe seems to have been a monumental pain in the hole. Its all very well for onlookers to be saying he is a national hero, they didnt have to work with him.

tretorn wrote:

What was John Mc Guinness doing in that carpark. Callinan seems to have given forty years of impeccable service and then had a moment of madness setting up that meeting with Mc Guinness. I do think unarmed Gardai would have huge loyalty to each other and here was Mc Cabe complaining about someone in every station he worked in. Thats the reality and most of us dont go to superiors complaining about our colleagues, at the endof the day none of us are perfect.

tretorn wrote:

She has now been snapped up for a big European job and I wish her well.

tretorn wrote:

Noirin O Sullivan was very badly treated, even the Charleton Chairman said as much.

tretorn wrote:

What was John Mc Guinness doing in that carpark. Callinan seems to have given forty years of impeccable service and then had a moment of madness setting up that meeting with Mc Guinness. I do think unarmed Gardai would have huge loyalty to each other and here was Mc Cabe complaining about someone in every station he worked in. Thats the reality and most of us dont go to superiors complaining about our colleagues, at the endof the day none of us are perfect.

tretorn wrote:

I have always had great service from our local Gardai and to be fair Mc Cabe seems to have been a monumental pain in the hole. Its all very well for onlookers to be saying he is a national hero, they didnt have to work with him.

tretorn wrote:

She has now been snapped up for a big European job and I wish her well.

tretorn wrote:

Noirin O Sullivan was very badly treated, even the Charleton Chairman said as much.

Ive worked with plenty people who were a pain in the hole. Some are ones who cut every corner possible and some are the ones who want everything done by the book. The only one liable for being a pain in the hole is the one who cuts corners. To say that smeering the name of the type whos only crime wanting things done properly is anything but disgusting tells me what type of perso you are.

Odhinn · 21-11-2018 1:54pm

tretorn wrote:

. Callinan seems to have given forty years of impeccable service and then had a moment of madness setting up that meeting with Mc Guinness.

Laughable nonsense. he was known as a terror and was referred to as such by other gardai. His "secrets" are well known amongst gardai, and it's only a matter a time until the rest of his iniquities come to the surface.

BattleCorp · 21-11-2018 8:46pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Laughable nonsense. he was known as a terror and was referred to as such by other gardai. His "secrets" are well known amongst gardai, and it's only a matter a time until the rest of his iniquities come to the surface.

I'm kind of curious how many people shred up to ten black bags full of documents on their last day in work? I'm sure in this case though that it was just normal housekeeping and nothing to do with erasing a paper trail.

Sycamore Tree · 22-11-2018 12:16pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm kind of curious how many people shred up to ten black bags full of documents on their last day in work? I'm sure in this case though that it was just normal housekeeping and nothing to do with erasing a paper trail.

Where was that reported?

McMurphy · 22-11-2018 12:22pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Where was that reported?

From an extremely quick Google search.

Creighton calls for inquiry into Callinan shredding documents

Plumbthedepths · 22-11-2018 12:31pm

An awful lot of posters here seem to have just heard of the McCabe case and Callinans's involvement.

road_high · 22-11-2018 8:52pm

SeaFields wrote: »

You'd have to say he could have walked. Anyone else probably would have. It took some courage and strength to keep going in light of what was going on.

Yea because he could see the euro signs in the distance and the inevitable martyrdom he’d be bestowed by the holier than thou rabble. Far as I’m aware he’s been “off sick” for the last number of years. So rather than do the job he was actually being paid for and signed up to. Like all the false sacred cows that are created in this country what they’ve actually achieved or done amounts to sweet FA. The real heroes in the Gardai are the ones doing their jobs daily (the vast majority) and making a real difference in tackling crime.

Whistleblower: Maurice McCabe

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