Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

MrMusician18 · 08-11-2018 3:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Under that UN definition of racial discrimination he most certainly did cross the line.

He generalised and made untruthful remarks about travellers which were insulting to travellers.

It's very simple. Had he talked about 'issues within the community' and had not used broad brushstrokes, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Regarding 'inciting hate', I think any reasonable person can see the hate unleashed by this. It is why 90% of the electorate did not come out to endorse him and why only 10% of the electorate responded to it.

Maybe Francie you can enlighten us as to the issues within the community as you see it?

Because all I'm seeing from apologists are that any ills that Travellers face is entirely down to the rest of us.

Plumbthedepths · 08-11-2018 3:31pm

givyjoe wrote:

Absolute guff again, it's almost as if you are trying to prompt some kind of reaction.

It's the same reason he uses the 10 per cent claim repeatedly . He's hoping to provoke an actionable report. Best to put him on ignore.

Brendan Bendar · 08-11-2018 3:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Under that UN definition of racial discrimination he most certainly did cross the line.

He generalised and made untruthful remarks about travellers which were insulting to travellers.

It's very simple. Had he talked about 'issues within the community' and had not used broad brushstrokes, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Regarding 'inciting hate', I think any reasonable person can see the hate unleashed by this. It is why 90% of the electorate did not come out to endorse him and why only 10% of the electorate responded to it.

You are losing this one Francie just like you lost the BREADMAN debate.

Fair play for trying to stick your finger in the dyke and hold back the flow, but you really need to dial down the hyperbole and understand that the lad was telling the truth, and it’s time the cobwebs of cant and rhetoric were brushed aside and the truth was allowed to be published.

Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring what is going on will do nobody any good.

MrMusician18 · 08-11-2018 3:33pm

Omackeral wrote: »

He knows. It won't stop him repeating it though, along with 23% of 46% and SEMS. Chap is like a broken record.

I'd like to know what precisely makes one ethnically a Traveller, still no clear answer on that really.

I don't think they fit the scientific definition of an ethnic group, but they do for the sociological one: distinct culture and language.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-11-2018 3:35pm

Omackeral wrote: »

He knows. It won't stop him repeating it though, along with 23% of 46% and SEMS. Chap is like a broken record.

I'd like to know what precisely makes one ethnically a Traveller, still no clear answer on that really.

My College did the research - I'm still none the wiser tbh.

Omackeral · 08-11-2018 3:52pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I don't think they fit the scientific definition of an ethnic group, but they do for the sociological one: distinct culture and language.

So not ethnically different then. Whole Special ETHNIC Minority Status thing is pretty much a farce so?

As far as distinct culture and language go... Maybe a 100 years ago that was true but in 2017 when it was passed? By that reasoning anyone in an area speaking Irish as their first tongue should qualify. Dubs and Rural people are arguably culturally different from each other too if you wanna push the boat out, among other sections of society.

dav3 · 08-11-2018 4:01pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I'd like to know what precisely makes one ethnically a Traveller, still no clear answer on that really.

It's not up for debate. People far more educated on the subject than you or I gave their reasons.

http://www.rcsi.ie/index.jsp?n=145&p=107&a=10373

Irish Travellers account for approximately 0.6% of the Irish population, consisting of between 29,000-40,000 individuals. They are a population with a history of nomadism, where cousin marriages (consanguineous marriages) are commonplace and they are socially isolated from ‘settled' Irish people. This landmark research, using DNA from a sample Irish Travellers, European Roma and settled people*, has:

• Found that at a genetic level, Travellers are very close to settled Irish people, but show significant differences;
• Found no evidence for a recent shared ancestry between Irish Travellers and European Roma;
• Estimated the time when Travellers diverged from the settled population: approximately 12 generations (360 years) ago
• Shown subtle genetic differences between speakers of the Cant and Gammon dialects of the Traveller language.
• Found that the proportion of Traveller genomes where the maternal and paternal copies are identical was on a par with similar consanguineous populations in other countries.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515

Ethnic status
The findings provide strong evidence that Travellers should receive some form of ethnic status, according to Prof Cavalleri.

“We think this is a nice piece of evidence for that complex debate,” he said. The research group “would be supportive of some form of ethnic status”.

The DNA analysis also revealed that there are four “genetic clusters” or subdivisions within the Traveller community. These in turn tend to match up with their social grouping and use of language.

One cluster is associated with the “Rathkeale group” of Travellers. Two other clusters are linked to whether the Traveller speaks the Cant or Gammon dialects of the Traveller language Shelta.

The study clearly showed there was no significant genetic contribution made by Roma Gypsies to Traveller DNA. This disproves a view held by some that the two groups were genetically related.

Traveller origins have long been a “source of considerable debate” the authors write. There is also a lack of documentary evidence that reveals the history of the Irish Traveller population.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep42187

Author information
Author notes
James F. Wilson & Gianpiero L. Cavalleri
These authors contributed equally to this work.

Affiliations
Molecular and Cellular Therapeutics, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, St Stephen’s Green, Dublin 2, Ireland
Edmund Gilbert & Gianpiero L. Cavalleri

Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel
Shai Carmi

School of Medicine and Medical Science, University College Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Sean Ennis

Centre for Global Health Research, Usher Institute for Population Health Sciences and Informatics, University of Edinburgh, Teviot Place, Edinburgh, Scotland
James F. Wilson

MRC Human Genetics Unit, Institute of Genetics and Molecular Medicine, University of Edinburgh, Western General Hospital, Crewe Road, Edinburgh, Scotland
James F. Wilson

Contributions
E.G., S.C., J.F.W., and G.L.C., wrote the main manuscript, E.G. ran the analysis, with exception of TIBD, which was run by S.C. S.E. contributed to supervision of E.G. J.F.W. and G.L.C. designed the study. All authors reviewed the manuscript.

Competing interests
The authors declare no competing financial interests.

Corresponding author
Correspondence to Gianpiero L. Cavalleri.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/q-a-what-does-ethnic-recognition-mean-for-irish-travellers-1.2993526

An ESRI report published last month highlighted the “extreme disadvantage” suffered by Travellers across a range of indicators, including health, housing, education, employment and mortality.

Recognition of Traveller ethnicity “could be of considerable benefit in ensuring respect for the cultural identity of Travellers in the context of targeted services,” it said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-minority-ethnic-status-matters-a-traveller-view-1.2994178

Ubiquitous racism and the subsequent shaming came to define who we are as Travellers. Ethnicity was often misunderstood. We, the Traveller community have a distinctive culture, tradition, shared language and customs that differ somewhat from the settled Irish population. These characteristics constitute the accepted definition of an ‘ethnic group’. The prevailing view was that we as Travellers needed to be rehabilitated, then forcibly assimilated into the settled Irish population.

Omackeral · 08-11-2018 4:08pm

The last paragraph you put up is literally an opinion piece and the first two words are ''ubiquitous racism''. So that's bollox on two counts. The main body of the text lists consanguineous marriage as one of the main factors of them being distinct. Basically, that means they're riding their cousins. Cry about that if you want, that's a crude but factual definition of it. So being inbred is essentially one the main reasons why we're all supposed to say they're a different ''race''. Fantastic.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 08-11-2018 4:11pm

So you've provided scientific evidence that Travellers are of Irish origin, have no genetic connection to Roma gypsies, and are "very close" genetically to the settled population. Any genetic divergence has come about because Travellers for the past 12-odd generations have intermarried with their cousins.

And you think that's enough for them to be recognized as an entirely separate ethnic minority?

Brendan Bendar · 08-11-2018 4:34pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The last paragraph you put up is literally an opinion piece and the first two words are ''ubiquitous racism''. So that's bollox on two counts. The main body of the text lists consanguineous marriage as one of the main factors of them being distinct. Basically, that means they're riding their cousins. Cry about that if you want, that's a crude but factual definition of it. So being inbred is essentially one the main reasons why we're all supposed to say they're a different ''race''. Fantastic.

Fair play O, you blew that crock clean out of the water.

Well done lad.

RandomName2 · 08-11-2018 4:34pm

dav3 wrote: »

It's not up for debate. People far more educated on the subject than you or I gave their reasons.

Ah, I thought you wouldn't try debating it yourself, despite your strident position.

So you quote a single peer reviewed paper (twice) and the opinion of Enda Kenny. I'm going to ignore Kenny, as I doubt your statement that he's more educated on the subject than you or I, or that his opinion was entirely objective.

The paper you quote analysed between 45 and 50 Travelers (it is not quite clear which number). That's quite a small cohort. They compared these 50 odd Travelers to over 6000 Europeans of mixed backgrounds.

The findings were that Travelers were most closely related to Irish people and had no clear link with European Roma. You could knock me down with a feather. It was also found that the 45 individuals were slightly more closely related to each other than to the general Irish population. It isn't stated if these 45 people are from the same family. If a sizeable proportion of these 45 were from the same family - even 10 of them, that would skew the statistics such that they would be more closely related to each other than the general population. Even then, there's no significance between them and the general population.

There's the last tattered remnants of your argument, dav3.

Edward M · 08-11-2018 5:02pm

dav3 wrote: »

It's not up for debate. People far more educated on the subject than you or I gave their reasons.

I wonder what do you mean by, more educated than you or I on the subject?
Would that include being robbed by, assaulted or liveing in fear of either happening by the unwanted presence of a group of travellers in your yard or driveway?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 08-11-2018 5:36pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

It was also found that the 45 individuals were slightly more closely related to each other than to the general Irish population.

I'm sure if you took 45 people from Tory Island or the Hebrides or any other isolated community, you would probably get the same result. That doesn't mean they're of a different ethnicity.

As for the claims about a separate language ... how many Travellers actually speak Shelta? I've never heard a Traveller speaking anything but English.

And the separate customs? What would these be?

givyjoe · 08-11-2018 5:42pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I don't think they fit the scientific definition of an ethnic group, but they do for the sociological one: distinct culture and language.

Not sure putting 'boss' at the end of every sentence = distinct language.

tretorn · 08-11-2018 5:48pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

I'm sure if you took 45 people from Tory Island or the Hebrides or any other isolated community, you would probably get the same result. That doesn't mean they're of a different ethnicity.

As for the claims about a separate language ... how many Travellers actually speak Shelta? I've never heard a Traveller speaking anything but English.

And the separate customs? What would these be?

Well one of the separate customs is marrying your first cousin and this would lead to a lot of health problems with children in this community.

Being religious as in wearing crosses and installing huge monuments to your dead seems to be part of the customs too. Religion doesnt extend to not coveting your neighbours goods or not trespassing on their land so the travellers religion is an a la carte one .

I cant think of much else apart from the horses but I doubt if these animals are kept legally, ie chipped etc so I have no interest in hearing about horses. People cant keep horses in rural areas unless they have access to land and this applies no matter how much travellers feel entitled to their horses and ponies.

Mr. CooL ICE · 08-11-2018 6:00pm

Mod: FrancieBrady, don't post in this thread again. Reason: borderline soapboxing for days

Roger Hassenforder · 08-11-2018 6:14pm

Can we get some aloe vera for dav3 please...

Ipso · 08-11-2018 6:15pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

So you've provided scientific evidence that Travellers are of Irish origin, have no genetic connection to Roma gypsies, and are "very close" genetically to the settled population. Any genetic divergence has come about because Travellers for the past 12-odd generations have intermarried with their cousins.

And you think that's enough for them to be recognized as an entirely separate ethnic minority?

Ethnicity is really stretching it, subculture might be more appropriate.

Assetbacked · 08-11-2018 6:22pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-object-to-firm-run-by-traveller-patriarch-getting-licence-for-pub-37505029.html

Clear bias from the authorities amounting to prejudice - shocking that the gardai could so blatantly object to a traveller family trying to run a business just because they are travellers.

Oh wait, it's evidence based.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 08-11-2018 6:29pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

Clear bias from the authorities amounting to prejudice - shocking that the gardai could so blatantly object to a traveller family trying to run a business just because they are travellers.

If you read closely, it's not because the applicant for the license is a Traveller. It's because he and his family have been involved in long-running feuds with other Traveller families. The Gardai are justifiably concerned about the impact on law and order should the license be granted.

tretorn · 08-11-2018 6:33pm

The Gardai are probably concerned about licencing laws, whats that would be the response from our ethnic friends.

Until travellers show some willingness to obey the laws society set then the Gardai are right to object to the pub. They are the ones who would have to go down unarmed to sort out the inevitable.

RandomName2 · 08-11-2018 6:35pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Can we get some aloe vera for dav3 please...

Quiet down, bot

dav3 wrote: »

I think we all noticed the disproportionate amount of posts supporting a certain candidate in the recent Irish presidential election. Most notably on After Hours.

As can be seen on the exit poll carried out by RTE/Red C, the number of people who voted for the candidate Peter Casey differs greatly from the support he received on certain threads within After hours.

You are being targeted, you are being targeted by users outside of Ireland. You will continue to be targeted if you do not take action against them.

The people that run this website know exactly what their demographic is. As you can see from the data provided in the exit poll, your demographic completely disengaged from the debate in huge numbers. I'm sure this is a concern not only to the people who take running this website seriously, but also the people who pay to keep this website running.

We all hope that such a catastrophic failure by the moderation team in After Hours will not be repeated and any help they require to deal with the current situation will be provided to them.

I would like to know what measures have been put in place to prevent such an event from occurring again during an upcoming election?

I think you are well aware of what will happen if your main demographic is driven from the site. I suggest you seek help from other websites that have successfully dealt with this issue before it is too late.

blanch152 · 08-11-2018 6:42pm

dav3 wrote: »

It's not up for debate. People far more educated on the subject than you or I gave their reasons.

http://www.rcsi.ie/index.jsp?n=145&p=107&a=10373

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep42187

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/q-a-what-does-ethnic-recognition-mean-for-irish-travellers-1.2993526

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-minority-ethnic-status-matters-a-traveller-view-1.2994178

All that proves is that some people more educated than you or I have been educated to the point of unintelligence.

blanch152 · 08-11-2018 6:46pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

I'm sure if you took 45 people from Tory Island or the Hebrides or any other isolated community, you would probably get the same result. That doesn't mean they're of a different ethnicity.

As for the claims about a separate language ... how many Travellers actually speak Shelta? I've never heard a Traveller speaking anything but English.

And the separate customs? What would these be?

In modern times, the separate customs I can see are

(1) Home schooling for girls over 12
(2) Arranged marriage for girls who turn 16.
(3) Women "encouraged" to work in the home
(4) Bare-knuckle fighting
(5) Disregard for property
(6) Criminality
(7) Environmental destruction through waste

Their ancestors, who did have a proud and noble tradition of nomadism married to trading and recycling, must be turning in their graves. Modern day travellers are a parody of their culture akin to plastic leprechauns for Irishness.

James Brown · 08-11-2018 7:19pm

tretorn wrote: »

It doesnt matter what Casey thinks about travellers, how can anyone get through to you.

What matters is the amount of people who came out in their droves to vote for Casey because he was the only public official to speak for them If nothing is done in spite of this huge vote then people will just write off the Gardai completely and take the law into their own hands, its surprising this hasnt happened yet in view of the provocation rural people are living with( as evidenced by numbers voting for Peter Casey).

And here's me thinking the thread was about what Casey thinks of travelers.

20 odd percent of a 43% turn out...droves? Hardly.
Roughly less than 10% of the electorate. I don't think many think it's the most pressing of issues. If they do, they weren't arsed voting.

Plumbthedepths · 08-11-2018 7:21pm

Matt Barrett wrote:

20 odd percent of a 46% turn out...droves? Hardly. Roughly 10% of the electorate. I don't think many think it's the most pressing of issues. If they do, they weren't arsed voting.

You going to start trotting out that nonsense that Francie was at?It was 23 per cent of the electorate that voted.

James Brown · 08-11-2018 7:23pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You going to start trotting out that nonsense that Francie was at?It was 23 per cent of the electorate that voted.

That's what I said ffs. So if only two people voted and one was for Casey you could say half

Wouldn't really represent Ireland now though would it?

Plumbthedepths · 08-11-2018 7:25pm

Matt Barrett wrote:

That's what I said ffs. So if only two people voted and one was for Casey you could say half

340+ thousand people voted for Casey hardly a small number. 1 in 3 of FF voters voted for him which has caused FF to re-examine their Traveller policy.

Jackman25 · 08-11-2018 7:55pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You should have a look at the feedback thread. It's unbelievable what someone is hoping the admin team in boards will concede to .

That thread is an embarrassment. Fair play to the boards admins for giving it short shrift. They were far more professional and polite in their response to it, than the two word answer I thought it deserved.

Silentcorner · 08-11-2018 8:17pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

340+ thousand people voted for Casey hardly a small number. 1 in 3 of FF voters voted for him which has caused FF to re-examine their Traveller policy.

And do not forget, we have no idea how many 2nd preferences he got, which is a shame as it would put paid to the notion that only racists/bigots/knuckledraggers voted for Casey, which is what our media want you to believe.

There is a strong case that between 1st and 2nd preferences, Casey got well over 500,000 votes.

Now, to go from 2% (circa 30,000 votes) to 500,000 in the space of a few days, in the absence of any polling, in the face of vicious media hostility....

It is no wonder, the establishment, their Bishops in the media, their idiots in the State broadcaster reacted the way they did!

They say a week is a long time in politics....one Michael D Higgins scandal in that last week, who knows what could have happened!!!

Anyone know how much the State pays Michael D Higgins personal secretary?

QuintusFabius · 08-11-2018 8:31pm

Ipso wrote: »

Ethnicity is really stretching it, subculture might be more appropriate.

Sub human would be even more precise

tayto lover · 08-11-2018 8:33pm

tretorn wrote: »

I would love to see a halting site going in on RTEs site in Donnybrook.

Imagine the dent this would put in the sale price for the land, I presume this windfall is to go into a pot to pay Tubridys and the rest of the motor mouths pensions.

If there was any justice in the world a halting site or group housing for travellers would be built but it wont happen because lots of wealty people own and rent apartments in Donnybrook and no way are travellers going to be put beside rugby peoples hangouts.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's what I said ffs. So if only two people voted and one was for Casey you could say half Wouldn't really represent Ireland now though would it?

Were you drafted in Matt?

dav3 · 08-11-2018 8:43pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

And do not forget, we have no idea how many 2nd preferences he got, which is a shame as it would put paid to the notion that only racists/bigots/knuckledraggers voted for Casey, which is what our media want you to believe.

I'm not sure if certain people really want to start looking into 2nd preference votes. The Sinn Féin candidate Liadh Ní Riada received the most 2nd preference votes according to the exit poll.

tretorn · 08-11-2018 8:44pm

Its really unfair that a large number of economic migrants are to be relocated to Roscommon.

The rural areas are forgotten about until its time to send asylum seekers somewhere where the locals havent the nuumbers to mount opposition.

It would be much better if these people were located on RTES land at Donnybrook, the RTE staff could go to somewhere off the M50 and their vast offices could be converted into accommodation. There would definitely be room there for traveller families too.

The refugees/ migrants havent a hope of settling in Roscommon, even the local young women are getting out of these areas and not coming back. There isnt even a bus service, it will rain all winter long and be dark at 3 PM. Maybe this is the whole point of choosing somewhere like this, as in if you dont like it go to Dublin airport and take a flight home.

Edward M · 08-11-2018 8:52pm

tretorn wrote: »

Its really unfair that a large number of economic migrants are to be relocated to Roscommon.

The rural areas are forgotten about until its time to send asylum seekers somewhere where the locals havent the nuumbers to mount opposition.

It would be much better if these people were located on RTES land at Donnybrook, the RTE staff could go to somewhere off the M50 and their vast offices could be converted into accommodation. There would definitely be room there for traveller families too.

The refugees/ migrants havent a hope of settling in Roscommon, even the local young women are getting out of these areas and not coming back. There isnt even a bus service, it will rain all winter long and be dark at 3 PM. Maybe this is the whole point of choosing somewhere like this, as in if you dont like it go to Dublin airport and take a flight home.

I hope they are prepared for boredom.
I know Rooskey well, there's absolutely nothing in it, it's a midget village with no facilities other than a couple of pubs and a supermarket, this is a case of pushing a problem in to the middle of nowhere.

Plumbthedepths · 08-11-2018 8:59pm

dav3 wrote:

I'm not sure if certain people really want to start looking into 2nd preference votes. The Sinn FÃ©in candidate Liadh NÃ Riada received the most 2nd preference votes according to the exit poll.

She polled at less than 7 per cent. Despite the backing of the third largest party in the state she got beaten by a lad that came from 2 per cent up to 23 per cent.
Terrible result for SF .

Spanish Eyes · 08-11-2018 9:04pm

Lisdoonvarna was ignored in favour of some hotelier who agreed to take them in.

Next Septembers matchmaking Festival might be interesting.

08-11-2018 10:41pm

Edward M wrote: »

I hope they are prepared for boredom.
I know Rooskey well, there's absolutely nothing in it, it's a midget village with no facilities other than a couple of pubs and a supermarket, this is a case of pushing a problem in to the middle of nowhere.

I live in the middle of nowhere and wouldn’t have it any other way. Its up to ourselves to make the most of our lot. Having said that, im not a pub goer or a party animal.

Edward M · 08-11-2018 11:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I live in the middle of nowhere and wouldn’t have it any other way. Its up to ourselves to make the most of our lot. Having said that, im not a pub goer or a party animal.

Me too really, I like a couple of pints mind.
But I work and have something to do all the time. I'm in a couple of local clubs to too.
I wouldn't like to be stuck in Rooskey with nothing to do myself.

tretorn · 08-11-2018 11:13pm

The point isnt really to do with what there is to do, its with putting asylum seekers who lets face it no one really wants in isolated areas where the locals dont have much say in the matter.

The likes of Tubridy can then bore us all to tears talking about racism and people not being nice to each other while he waltzes down to a library in Dun Laoghaire that cost 34 million to build and Heaven knows how much to fit out. he probably has his children in private schools too so no fear of them sitting in classrooms beside children who have no english. There is no fear of his children sitting alongside travellers in classrooms either and who wants their children to be in school alongside people who brawl in the middle of the day in Galway.

The asylum seekers, not that I have much sympathy if they are economic migrants who entered the country illegally, would be far better off to be placed in accommodation in a city that would have lots of people with different ethnic backgrounds. How can they assimilate in society when there is nobody for miles around the same age as themselves and the people that are nearby are maybe clannish and cliquey

Edward M · 08-11-2018 11:24pm

They have to go somewhere I know.
My point is that for any social outings, like say swimming, cinema, virtually any form of entertainment outside the hotel, they'll have to be brought to Longford or Carrick on Shannon.
I don't know how much freedom they are allowed, but in Rooskey there's nothing.

Fann Linn · 08-11-2018 11:31pm

Edward M wrote: »

They have to go somewhere I know.
My point is that for any social outings, like say swimming, cinema, virtually any form of entertainment outside the hotel, they'll have to be brought to Longford or Carrick on Shannon.
I don't know how much freedom they are allowed, but in Rooskey there's nothing.

Spot on. If I recall correctly there isn't any green space even in the hotel. A carpark at the rear of same.
Roosky is grand if ye have a car or a boat.

Fann Linn · 08-11-2018 11:49pm

And allegedly Longford FG councillor James Keogh's sister, Christina Barry, is a director of the company who will apparently get the job should the refugees arrive in Roosky, according to locals and the Roscommon People.

FG's paws are never far from these sort of gigs.

Edward M · 08-11-2018 11:50pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Spot on. If I recall correctly there isn't any green space even in the hotel. A carpark at the rear of same.
Roosky is grand if ye have a car or a boat.

Some lovely houses built on the outskirts in the last 20 years along the Shannon and a couple of small estates in the village.
I'd say anyone who built or bought there is raging, bad enough the money lost after the collapse and probable negative equity.
This will be about as much help to this village as a halting site, there will be fcuk all of a welcome for this move.

mgn · 08-11-2018 11:53pm

What happened to all the do-gooders that were going to give them rooms in there houses and give them houses or flats the were not using?
Shower of muppets.Its okay to say open up the borders and welcome everyone in as long as there not beside me. Send them all down the west out of our sight.

tretorn · 09-11-2018 12:07am

I suppose it wil send a message to other people planning to come that they will end up in the middle of nowhere with limited broadband.

The streets won’t be paved with gold, they will be muddy three hundred days of the year and asylum seekers will be sitting in a grotty hotel all day everyday.

How much is this costing us, probably sixty to eighty million.

blanch152 · 09-11-2018 12:33am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's what I said ffs. So if only two people voted and one was for Casey you could say half Wouldn't really represent Ireland now though would it?

You outed yourself recently as a Sinn Fein voter.

Casey got more actual votes than Sinn Fein have ever done. More votes than PBP have ever done.

I guess you will agree with me that Sinn Fein and PBP are equally as irrelevant as you think Casey is.

mikhail gorbachev2 · 09-11-2018 12:43am

you should have voted for casey when you had the chance
but maybe he will be the next governor

mickdw · 09-11-2018 12:47am

Can we stop this creative statistics nonsense as being spouted here.
Either you quote the real result for all candidates or you quote results as percentage of all those eligible to vote but not a mix match where casey vote is referred to as 10 percent yet MDH at 53 percent.
Anyone doing this is clearly on the wind up and in my opinion should not be allowed to continue to post such nonsense.

mikhail gorbachev2 · 09-11-2018 1:00am

mickdw wrote: »

Can we stop this creative statistics nonsense as being spouted here.
Either you quote the real result for all candidates or you quote results as percentage of all those eligible to vote but not a mix match where casey vote is referred to as 10 percent yet MDH at 53 percent.
Anyone doing this is clearly on the wind up and in my opinion should not be allowed to continue to post such nonsense.

only 9.9% voted for casey

Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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