Famous Dublin pubs that are no more

BonnieSituation · 23-05-2020 4:03am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Still there under a diff name I think?

So The Hungry Mexican used to be Gypsy Rose and Viperroom before that.

Where RIOT is now was Celtworld >>> Templecom >>>Blucaffe then Gypsy Rose (II) then RIOT.

Thrashssacre · 23-05-2020 4:06am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Still there under a diff name I think?

Ah it's not the same at all, staff and patrons are pretty much completely changed bar a stubborn few but even there giving up.

El Tarangu · 23-05-2020 4:40pm

At the moment, I'm reading Brendan Behan's 'Confessions of an Irish Rebel', and he makes several references to a pub named (or more probably nicknamed) "Shaky man's".

When I googled "shaky mans pub dublin", the results all refer to Alfie Byrne's habit of shaking everyone's hands - but also mention that he ran a pub in Talbot St. This theory is supported when he talks about going from Shaky Man's to the Blue Lion, so well within walking distance.

Can anyone shed any light on this - was there a pub colloquially known as Shaky Man's, and is there an existing pub still operating from the same premises today?

Thanks.

Bozo Skeleton · 23-05-2020 5:35pm

L1011 wrote: »

Its on Hill Street. The pic is quite old.

There was no other pub (other than Stoneys) on Hill Street in the time period you're talking about that I'm aware of.

The Nigerian bar is now the standalone offo on Parnell now. Still has a pub licence.

I was getting my geography a bit mixed up with where the Nigerian pub/offie is. There was definitely a pub across the road, and down just a little from Stoney's. It was closed by about 2002ish when I saw the lads rifling cases of beer out of it. Can't get the name of it in my head, pretty sure it had an Irish name at the time, Coinín (rabbit) and something is my hazy memory of the name, Coinín mightn't be right either!

L1011 · 23-05-2020 7:51pm

El Tarangu wrote: »

At the moment, I'm reading Brendan Behan's 'Confessions of an Irish Rebel', and he makes several references to a pub named (or more probably nicknamed) "Shaky man's".

When I googled "shaky mans pub dublin", the results all refer to Alfie Byrne's habit of shaking everyone's hands - but also mention that he ran a pub in Talbot St. This theory is supported when he talks about going from Shaky Man's to the Blue Lion, so well within walking distance.

Can anyone shed any light on this - was there a pub colloquially known as Shaky Man's, and is there an existing pub still operating from the same premises today?

Thanks.

Quick search suggests its what is now the Ripley Court Hotel; where I'm not sure if the bar is (was) open to the public or not. It was actually called the Verdon, that nickname is only a nickname.

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

I was getting my geography a bit mixed up with where the Nigerian pub/offie is. There was definitely a pub across the road, and down just a little from Stoney's. It was closed by about 2002ish when I saw the lads rifling cases of beer out of it. Can't get the name of it in my head, pretty sure it had an Irish name at the time, Coinín (rabbit) and something is my hazy memory of the name, Coinín mightn't be right either!

The pic is of the pub across and down a bit from Stoneys, it could have changed entirely between the pic being taken (60s) and when it closed of course.

2ndcoming · 23-05-2020 8:58pm

Anyone remember a pub called The Brothers on Mary Street?

First pints in town, All Ireland day 1998. Two 16 year old Lilies had our fill

BonnieSituation · 23-05-2020 9:19pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Anyone remember a pub called The Brothers on Mary Street?

First pints in town, All Ireland day 1998. Two 16 year old Lilies had our fill

Best part of your day anyway :P

Bozo Skeleton · 24-05-2020 2:13am

Grays of Newmarket Square has been closed for a long time. A fella was shot dead in it going back a few years. It truly is no more now, a JCB type yoke was pulling the building down in to rubble today.

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2020 2:24am

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

Grays of Newmarket Square has been closed for a long time. A fella was shot dead in it going back a few years. It truly is no more now, a JCB type yoke was pulling the building down in to rubble today.

I hate to see it when it happens.

I live across from The Black and Amber or should i say, what was The Black and Amber in Islandbridge. It was a horrible morning watching it getting knocked as I headed to work.

Was on Meath St on Friday driving from Kevin St and Coombe to home and saw building going on beside the Fountain and my heart sank thinking they knocked the Fountain. Phew.

Long long time since I darkened its door since i was in college and my mates lived above it in 2003.

Kaybaykwah · 24-05-2020 3:17am

I used to hang in Baileys pub where a lot of actors and theatre folk used to go. That was in the mid eighties. It.looks more spiffy and less the pub now. The Norseman was a cool place back then when Temple Bar wasn't as tourist central as it is now.

Back in 87', a musician friend took me to the Underground pub to see if he could jam with someone. In comes Mike Scott from the Waterboys, they start jamming, I eventually start up a conversation whereupon I tell him I am a scenic painter for theatre. He asks me if I am interested in painting a backdrop for a tour they are doing, which I of course did for him. I painted the drop at the old Boland's flour mills that U2 had bought and turned into a practice space. The Waterboys and Hot House Flowers practiced in there while I painted this backdrop. Bono's painter friend Guggi also had a space to work on his paintings there, right next to me. I went out to down a few pints with him. He drove a 1980ish Plymouth Volaré which was funny as there weren't too many American cars in Ireland.

The Stag's head was another nice one. I went last year after a 33 year absence, but the place was quiet at noon, the food quite good.

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2020 3:58am

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I used to hang in Baileys pub where a lot of actors and theatre folk used to go. That was in the mid eighties. It.looks more spiffy and less the pub now. The Norseman was a cool place back then when Temple Bar wasn't as tourist central as it is now.

Back in 87', a musician friend took me to the Underground pub to see if he could jam with someone. In comes Mike Scott from the Waterboys, they start jamming, I eventually start up a conversation whereupon I tell him I am a scenic painter for theatre. He asks me if I am interested in painting a backdrop for a tour they are doing, which I of course did for him. I painted the drop at the old Boland's flour mills that U2 had bought and turned into a practice space. The Waterboys and Hot House Flowers practiced in there while I painted this backdrop. Bono's painter friend Guggi also had a space to work on his paintings there, right next to me. I went out to down a few pints with him. He drove a 1980ish Plymouth Volaré which was funny as there weren't too many American cars in Ireland.

The Stag's head was another nice one. I went last year after a 33 year absence, but the place was quiet at noon, the food quite good.

When did the Norseman become Farringdons?

Never ever liked it in any guise.

What was the "Underground" that you refer.to?

Also, you've ruined this thread with your story. Ha ha.

It kinda pisses all over meeting dodgy fúckers in the Celt or the Man of Arran!

Kaybaykwah · 24-05-2020 5:17am

I noticed the Underground is still around. As I remember it, on Dame street, very near the Olympia theatre. It still has a small London Underground sign. Seems to be tied to a bigger pub upstairs.

Yeah, the Norseman was just a busy place, but not the type of tourist type one that it has become. Temple Bar was becoming attractive because of a lot of artistic activity and centrality. It was sort of theatre tech people central whereas Baileys was actors and such. I used to live on Berkeley street in Phibsborough and later in leafy Donnybrook. I used to go to the "gravediggers" John Kavanaughs when I lived on the North side but can't say I was a fixture.

Anyways, it's hard to beat the atmosphere of an old Dublin pub. The old characters of which you speak for instance. I remember once walking into Shakespeares for a pint and this old guy turning around shily and opening up the conversation with a "dorty weather today, eh?" Simple, but effective. Lol

retalivity · 24-05-2020 5:20am

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

Grays of Newmarket Square has been closed for a long time. A fella was shot dead in it going back a few years. It truly is no more now, a JCB type yoke was pulling the building down in to rubble today.

Thought that place was protected by An Taisce or something...werent the plans for the square amended to include keeping it? I kmow work started in knocking the factory/units next door, didnt see the pub was gone as well.
Not that it was any great loss...it looked awful and was derelict for years, dunno how an taisce had it down as having historical value

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2020 5:25am

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I noticed the Underground is still around. As I remember it, on Dame street, very near the Olympia theatre. It still has a small London Underground sign. Seems to be tied to a bigger pub upstairs.

Yeah, the Norseman was just a busy place, but not the type of tourist type one that it has become. Temple Bar was becoming attractive because of a lot of artistic activity and centrality. It was sort of theatre tech people central whereas Baileys was actors and such. I used to live on Berkeley street in Phibsborough and later in leafy Donnybrook. I used to go to the "gravediggers" John Kavanaughs when I lived on the North side but can't say I was a fixture.

Anyways, it's hard to beat the atmosphere of an old Dublin pub. The old characters of which you speak for instance. I remember once walking into Shakespeares for a pint and this old guy turning around shily and opening up the conversation with a "dorty weather today, eh?" Simple, but effective. Lol

Really?

The Underground on Dame Street below Peadar Kearney's had a previous guise called the Underground? Same bar?

Before Kearney's, that bar was a bar I frequented formulate drinks (2003-2009), but I forget the name. The downstairs area was not separate then anyway.

d11gunner · 24-05-2020 8:10am

The Underground was a bar and live music venue facing up George’s St where Lapello’s lap dancing club is now. It was a big loss to the Dublin music scene.

L1011 · 24-05-2020 10:11am

Underdog beneath Brogans, not Kearneys, is not a continuation of the old gig venue.

Kearneys was previously called Huba and Rogue

Bozo Skeleton · 24-05-2020 2:19pm

retalivity wrote: »

Thought that place was protected by An Taisce or something...werent the plans for the square amended to include keeping it? I kmow work started in knocking the factory/units next door, didnt see the pub was gone as well.
Not that it was any great loss...it looked awful and was derelict for years, dunno how an taisce had it down as having historical value

It's torn down as far as a one story building at the moment. I had an idea that Teelings across the road might have taken it. They're tearing down that whole block. Don't get me started on what they're doing to tbe whole area. Ridiculous amounts of student accommodations and hotels...

L1011 · 24-05-2020 2:26pm

The Teeling rumour seems to go for every pub nearby. They have their own licence for the visitor centre and I suspect that's that.

That site is, I believe, going to be a Premier Inn.

retalivity · 24-05-2020 4:23pm

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

It's torn down as far as a one story building at the moment. I had an idea that Teelings across the road might have taken it. They're tearing down that whole block. Don't get me started on what they're doing to tbe whole area. Ridiculous amounts of student accommodations and hotels...

Yeah went and had a look earlier....lads in working on it today as well, it is gone!
There's a micro-brewery going in as part of the newmarket build, although I think it going in the place beside teelings that hasn't started work yet - the Creedon group building, not where blenders was. It's possible the license is moving there?

I can see all the student accommodation being commandeered in a few years to house homeless/housing list folk in a co-living environment (if coronavirus doesn't kill that idea)...it'll be 10 times worse then.

Bozo Skeleton · 24-05-2020 4:51pm

retalivity wrote: »

I can see all the student accommodation being commandeered in a few years to house homeless/housing list folk in a co-living environment (if coronavirus doesn't kill that idea)...it'll be 10 times worse then.

I reckon that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. I was dealing with Dublin City councillors (I had an allotment in Weavers Square). Anyway, one thing I was told by councillors, is that the big student accommodations in Blackpitts is owned by a middle eastern investment fund. I'm sure other developments are also owned by investment/vulture funds etc. I. E, it's just another property in a "portfolio" owned by people who couldn't give a flying fućk about the area, it's just something on a balance sheet. The cynic in me believes that they have factored in that they will end up housing homeless, refugees etc, which they will charge the government full whack for.
I know it's off topic, but it boils my blood what they're doing to the area, endless hotels and student accommodations, when there is an acute housing shortage. Rant over.

EDIT. This is not a rant about homeless or refugees. Its a rant about Dublin City Council. Owen Keegan in particular.

L1011 · 24-05-2020 6:43pm

Co-living has its place (at a fraction of the rents being charged in Dublin for it). But foisting it on people who it may not be suitable for is a disaster in the waiting.

Some form of "new bedsit" is needed for plenty of people who are not suited to co-living environments. Small, fully self contained units in buildings with modern fire safety and cleaning/maintenance of the hallways/stairways/laundry rooms. This should not be beyond the skills of DCC to provide - indeed they and the old Dublin County Council used to. Standards may need amending to allow it, but it is severely needed now.

This is rather off-topic but if someone wants to move the posts to Humanities or something...

mvt · 24-05-2020 8:20pm

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I used to hang in Baileys pub where a lot of actors and theatre folk used to go. That was in the mid eighties. It.looks more spiffy and less the pub now. The Norseman was a cool place back then when Temple Bar wasn't as tourist central as it is now.

Back in 87', a musician friend took me to the Underground pub to see if he could jam with someone. In comes Mike Scott from the Waterboys, they start jamming, I eventually start up a conversation whereupon I tell him I am a scenic painter for theatre. He asks me if I am interested in painting a backdrop for a tour they are doing, which I of course did for him. I painted the drop at the old Boland's flour mills that U2 had bought and turned into a practice space. The Waterboys and Hot House Flowers practiced in there while I painted this backdrop. Bono's painter friend Guggi also had a space to work on his paintings there, right next to me. I went out to down a few pints with him. He drove a 1980ish Plymouth Volaré which was funny as there weren't too many American cars in Ireland.

The Stag's head was another nice one. I went last year after a 33 year absence, but the place was quiet at noon, the food quite good.

What a great post- remember the car alright, it really stood out

.
Was just cycling down Pembroke St earlier & was thinking back to the Pembroke- another artistic hang out.
Think it would have been roughly where Matt the thresers is now( hope that's the right spelling ).

mvt · 24-05-2020 8:23pm

Also you used to be able to get roast potatoes in the Noreseman- 20p iirc & great with a pint of plain

L1011 · 24-05-2020 9:17pm

mvt wrote: »

Think it would have been roughly where Matt the thresers is now( hope that's the right spelling ).

Same site and licence as far as I know.

Kaybaykwah · 24-05-2020 11:09pm

mvt wrote: »

What a great post- remember the car alright, it really stood out .
Was just cycling down Pembroke St earlier & was thinking back to the Pembroke- another artistic hang out.
Think it would have been roughly where Matt the thresers is now( hope that's the right spelling ).

Thank you!

I really had a super time living in Dublin for a year, 87-88. I almost stayed but I don't regret coming back to be close to my folks, since 3 years later, my dad fell ill, and I met my wife, had kids etc...

I visited last year w the wife and boys to show them my old haunts, and happily, they are in their twenties, so, got to sample quite a few pubs, but not as many as I did back in the day, since I used to go out all the time. We stayed in Greystones, but traveled throughout the country so Dublin was less visited than the rest, but that was cooler for us anyways. One standout pub, food and atmosphere wise was in McNeills of Howth on Main street Howth.

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2020 11:29pm

L1011 wrote: »

Underdog beneath Brogans, not Kearneys, is not a continuation of the old gig venue.

Kearneys was previously called Huba and Rogue

Thanks for ROGUE!!! That's been wrecking my head.

Re Underground; never knew about that place before Lapellos. What sort of timelines?

Re Kaybaywah's post; basement of Kearney's is called "Underground" and does indeed have a London Underground sign outside it.

Kaybaykwah · 24-05-2020 11:33pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Thanks for ROGUE!!! That's been wrecking my head.

Re Underground; never knew about that place before Lapellos. What sort of timelines?

Re Kaybaywah's post; basement of Kearney's is called "Underground" and does indeed have a London Underground sign outside it.

I think that the basement space could be the original. Not sure, I remember it being close to the Olympia on Dame street.

tricky D · 24-05-2020 11:42pm

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

One standout pub, food and atmosphere wise was in McNeills of Howth on Main street Howth.

Best pints in Howth by a mile.

L1011 · 25-05-2020 7:51am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Re Kaybaywah's post; basement of Kearney's is called "Underground" and does indeed have a London Underground sign outside it.

In all the times I've been there/past there I never noticed they even *had* a basement. Don't particularly like the pub but that'd a special level of inattentiveness even for me!

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I think that the basement space could be the original. Not sure, I remember it being close to the Olympia on Dame street.

It isn't.

The original Underground was where Centra/Lapello is now. Lapello is one of the strip clubs with a drink licence, it being the licence from Underground.

Kearneys didn't even exist in this time period; despite the 'traditional Dublin pub' fitout it wasn't a pub until 2000/1 (at all - I'm not talking about when it became Kearneys, which was the late 2000s)

septictank · 25-05-2020 8:28am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Thanks for ROGUE!!! That's been wrecking my head.

Re Underground; never knew about that place before Lapellos. What sort of timelines?

Re Kaybaywah's post; basement of Kearney's is called "Underground" and does indeed have a London Underground sign outside it.

The Underground sign used to be up in the early 80's remember it for sure in 84 but think it was there before that.

Hotblack Desiato · 25-05-2020 8:59am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Chicago pizza pie place on the green was another

Ah yes, very early 90s, nearing the end of final year in Kevin St, a bunch of us went there for watery cocktails and crappy pizza, a few beers in the local hostelries and ended up in the wonderful Zoo Bar... you were supposed to be grateful just to get in. What a kip.

Kaybaykwah · 25-05-2020 12:29pm

L1011 wrote: »

In all the times I've been there/past there I never noticed they even *had* a basement. Don't particularly like the pub but that'd a special level of inattentiveness even for me!

It isn't.

The original Underground was where Centra/Lapello is now. Lapello is one of the strip clubs with a drink licence, it being the licence from Underground.

Kearneys didn't even exist in this time period; despite the 'traditional Dublin pub' fitout it wasn't a pub until 2000/1 (at all - I'm not talking about when it became Kearneys, which was the late 2000s)

Yep, sounds right, since I didn't remember it being attached to another pub in 87-88.

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2020 1:11pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ah yes, very early 90s, nearing the end of final year in Kevin St, a bunch of us went there for watery cocktails and crappy pizza, a few beers in the local hostelries and ended up in the wonderful Zoo Bar... you were supposed to be grateful just to get in. What a kip.

Dont think I was ever in zoo bar..or have no recollection anyway. Lot of memories of drinking in dublin 80s/90s, trawling the city for a pint after closing time before joining the desperate hordes heading for Leeson St to drink crap overpriced plonk in Cats or Suzy Street! Having come from the sticks where you didnt bother going out before 10pm, it was a bit of a shock to encounter this!

Speedsie · 25-05-2020 5:28pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Dont think I was ever in zoo bar..or have no recollection anyway. Lot of memories of drinking in dublin 80s/90s, trawling the city for a pint after closing time before joining the desperate hordes heading for Leeson St to drink crap overpriced plonk in Cats or Suzy Street! Having come from the sticks where you didnt bother going out before 10pm, it was a bit of a shock to encounter this!

I spent more time in Zoo bar that I care to remember in the early 90s. They had a 3 hour happy hour as I recall.

roycon111 · 31-05-2020 2:08am

L1011 wrote: »

"Invalid carriage" as you'll see mentioned on the list of things not allowed on motorways. Its not the last/most famous AC model; it didn't have the external door rail on the top (recently watched a video series of someone restoring one; that's not something I had any reason to know before!)

Its probably an Invacar Mk12 - 147cc engine!

A bit like these toy cars in the Dublin Port Archive

https://www.dublinport.ie/unseen-rare-photographs-shed-new-light-dublin-port/

tabbey · 31-05-2020 1:49pm

roycon111 wrote: »

A bit like these toy cars in the Dublin Port Archive

https://www.dublinport.ie/unseen-rare-photographs-shed-new-light-dublin-port/

They are heinkel bubble cars built in Dundalk, the former gnr works.

L1011 · 31-05-2020 1:50pm

And quite disturbingly, allowed on motorways.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-05-2020 10:20pm

I know. On the Garda Twitter they're rounding them up on a daily basis :P

Kaybaykwah · 01-06-2020 10:13am

tabbey wrote: »

They are heinkel bubble cars built in Dundalk, the former gnr works.

When I first toured Ireland in 81, there used to be a ****load of them all iver the country. When I lived in Dublin in 87-88, there were still a lot around. Don't think I ran across any last year.

roycon111 · 01-06-2020 4:21pm

imme wrote: »

it was about 15 years ago
https://www.hospitalityireland.com/pub-bar-nightclub/old-u2-favourite-dockers-pub-set-reopening-christmas-79923

there's a piece recorded at the Dockers with U2 on satellite link after they won a Billboard Award talking to Phil Collins on a link up.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/u2-favourite-dublin-pub-re-opening-171048

Below is a photo from October 2005 showing it well closed at that stage

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tinkertart/54727112/in/photostream/

roycon111 · 11-06-2020 7:58pm

https://imgur.com/gallery/quaNWAs

Does anyone know the pub?

Buckfast W · 11-06-2020 8:12pm

Is it M.Hughs on Chancery Street maybe

tricky D · 11-06-2020 8:12pm

The International iirc.

L1011 · 11-06-2020 8:37pm

Today I learned that the famous Mother Redcaps, with its 1760 date on the door, is in a building 115 years newer than that and only opened as a pub in 1988 or 1989.

They basically lifted the name of a pub that was somewhere near there even earlier than 1760 (1734 is the only reference I can find); and got the date wrong.

Don't feel quite so bad about it sitting rotting away when I know its a total fake.

Joe_ Public · 11-06-2020 10:20pm

roycon111 wrote: »

https://imgur.com/gallery/quaNWAs

Does anyone know the pub?

May be welcome inn on parnell st. According to this link anyway.

https://brandnewretro.ie/2013/05/14/depeche-mode-dublin-1983-nme/

tricky D · 11-06-2020 10:22pm

tricky D wrote: »

The International iirc.

Nah.

The gig was in the SFX and from a search around the web, there are suggestions that it's The Confession Box or The Welcome Inn.

ollaetta · 11-06-2020 10:22pm

L1011 wrote: »

Today I learned that the famous Mother Redcaps, with its 1760 date on the door, is in a building 115 years newer than that and only opened as a pub in 1988 or 1989.

They basically lifted the name of a pub that was somewhere near there even earlier than 1760 (1734 is the only reference I can find); and got the date wrong.

Don't feel quite so bad about it sitting rotting away when I know its a total fake.

A bit off topic but speaking of fakes, The Snug, Temple Bar. Now you see it, now you don't. 1694 over the door and it opened in 2014 or so. Streetview 2009 Streetview 2014 onwards

Bus Boy · 11-06-2020 11:01pm

roycon111 wrote: »

https://imgur.com/gallery/quaNWAs

Does anyone know the pub?

Hill 16, that pain of glass is now behind the bar in Brannigan's, Cathedral Street.

L1011 · 12-06-2020 2:36pm

ollaetta wrote: »

A bit off topic but speaking of fakes, The Snug, Temple Bar. Now you see it, now you don't. 1694 over the door and it opened in 2014 or so. Streetview 2009 Streetview 2014 onwards

Its old but it isn't THAT old

https://comeheretome.com/2013/10/25/temple-bars-oldest-pub/

The number-falling-off "1543" on The Big Tree was probably the most hilarious as:

1: It used to say 1453, but someone repainted the sign wrong
2: The building is from the 1820s
3: Some tourists actually thought it was from 543!

Irish booze industry is full of this - the 1759 and 1608 on Guinness and Bushmills are inaccurate too (in different ways)

BeerNut · 12-06-2020 4:07pm

JW Sweetman is possibly the silliest.

J.W. SWEETMAN
CRAFT BREWERY DUBLIN × EST. 1756

A JOURNEY BACK IN TIME
Our site here at 1&2 Burgh Quay dates back as far as 1808...

Famous Dublin pubs that are no more

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