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WeightWatchers & "How Many ProPoints?" Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭tantipie


    irish pride vita kids bread is on offer at the mo 97cent and 1 slice is 2pp and 2 slices is 4pp which makes a change as a lot of bread goes to 5pp when you double them:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Lady Lainy


    Naid23 wrote: »
    Would anybody have any idea how many PP's it would be for a thai Massaman curry? Went to thailand last year and fell in love with the food and love cooking it at home.

    Thai food tends to be kinda high. i think its cos they use alot of nuts


    Starters ProPoints values
    Gange Chud Woon Sen – Thai Noodle Soup 8
    Glass Noodle Soup 8
    Goong Sateh – Prawn Satay 8
    Hoi Tord – Mussels with Coriander and Bean Sprouts 5
    Ka-Nom-Jeeb – Thai Dumpling (each) 1
    Keau-Krob –Fried Won-Ton (each) 2
    Popia Tod- Fried Spring Roll (each) 4
    Red Radish Soup 2
    Watercress and Beansprouts 0

    Mains ProPoints values
    Gai Pad Hed Sod – Chicken with Mushrooms 12
    Gai Pad Med Ma-Muang- Chicken with Cashews 15
    Pahd Pak Namman Hoi - Stir Fried Vegetables in Oyster Sauce 11
    Ped Makham - Duck with Tamarind and Honey 20
    Priaw Wahn Moo – Sweet and Sour Pork 13
    Priaw Wahn Goong – Sweet and Sour Prawns 11
    Priaw Wahn Gai – Sweet and Sour Chicken 12
    Priaw Wahn Nuer – Sweet and Sour Beef 15
    Priaw Wahn Pla – Sweet and Sour Fish 11
    Kuaytio Pad Thai - Fried Noodles 20
    Pahd See Lew Gai - Stir Fried Rice Noodles with Chicken 15

    Average ethnic restaurant rice portion 12


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭tantipie


    oh made the breakfast muffins on sunday,,they didnt last 2 mins in my house the kids loved them:Dfinglasgal1 that's where i'm going to:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Lady Lainy


    tantipie wrote: »
    oh made the breakfast muffins on sunday,,they didnt last 2 mins in my house the kids loved them:Dfinglasgal1 that's where i'm going to:rolleyes:

    Its great that the kids like them too! No reason the whole family cant eat healthy! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    closifer wrote: »
    Any other ideas??

    2 Finger kit kat = 3PP
    Meanies crisps = 2PP
    Velvet crunch = 2PP
    Manhatten multi pack popcorn = 2PP
    Birds eye waffles (nom) = 2PP per waffle
    Digestive biccie = 2PP (bit too high imo though as I would eat like 4 at least)
    Twister ice pop = 2PP
    Lady Lainy wrote: »
    Thai food tends to be kinda high. i think its cos they use alot of nuts

    Mains ProPoints values

    Gai Pad Med Ma-Muang- Chicken with Cashews 15


    Average ethnic restaurant rice portion 12

    Nooooo, is it really 15. The WW purple book says chicken and cashew nuts is 9PP. Had that last nite and pointed it at that, there were only bou 8 (max) cashews. I put 14PP for the rice (it was only about 100g maybe a lil bit more) so hopefully that balanced out... :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭finglasgal1


    tantipie wrote: »
    oh made the breakfast muffins on sunday,,they didnt last 2 mins in my house the kids loved them:Dfinglasgal1 that's where i'm going to:rolleyes:

    You going to Berlin??


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Molly1


    I joined WW two weeks ago, I have been overweight all my life and just seemed to be gaining weight as the time went on. I was in WW years ago, but gave up. But I rejoined and the first week I lost 5.5 lbs, and then last week much to my dismay I gained half a pound, after what I thought was a good week, it was my TOTM and after reading some of your posts I had drank a coffee and half a litre of water... I really want to lose weight and ww work for me. I have another WI on Thurs at lunchtime, maybe I won't drink fluid at all that morning, what do you think? thanks for your help. And well done everyone on your weightloss, your all an inspiration.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Molly1


    another question... is a banana a day too much do you think?:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭Kay_80


    No Molly I think you're ok with that as long as it's within your 5 a day all should be okay. As you're vegetarian I think it's important you get as good a mix of nutrients & vitamins from as many plant sources as possible so if a banana a day helps you then by all means go ahead (others may differ of course!)

    One thing I'd say to you is try not to White carb load, I found when I did WW about 10 yrs ago when I was veggie that I was using lots of my points on White bread, pasta, White rice, noodles, spuds etc to try use up my points (of course I ate veggies but they were all low or no point!) it really slowed up my weightloss & led me to get bored eating the same things & well as I said before I then switched it up by introducing fish & now I eat meat as well.

    You probably already do but switch to wholegrain where possible and be sure to eat some nuts, tofu & avocados as well yes they contain fats but theyre good fats & are great for skin, nails hair etc :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Shoe Lover


    Hi Molly,

    No a banana a day is fine! I have one every day for my tea break at work :D and so far I've lost 11lbs in four weeks! ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Molly1


    Well done ShoeLover that's great!:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭dammitj


    Hi all.

    Are the weeklies really optional? My leader said we should try to eat them every week so I have been.
    Hmmmm.
    Also I exercise but I don't count the exercise points as I'm afraid I won't do it right. That's what I did last year and I'm sticking to it.



    The lower fat rich tea biccies are nice with a cuppa and are only a point each.
    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Shoe Lover


    Our leader says that the weeklies are there as a backup. With the old plan, people used to try and save up points during the week for the weekend or a night out and so ppl were not eating healthily enough. She says that the weeklies are there so that if you do have a blowout or something big on, you have the points available to enjoy it without worrying about having to starve yourself the next day. She says that if you eat all your weeklies, you will still lose weight but it just might be slower than if you didn't eat them!


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭dammitj


    Ah OK!
    I should really say it to our leader so, she said this to us at the start when she was familiarising herself with the new program.

    I'd find it hard not to use them up though, I have to have a treat at the weekend or I'd go mad!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭finglasgal1


    Quick question

    Anyone know how much is in a fun sized yorkie bar and Oreo cookies??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭shortstuff!


    Made the spagetti carbonara yesterday that Lady Lainy put up a while back, it was lovely, really rich! I added mushrooms to the recipe, worked well with it.

    Thinking of investing in the WW weighing scales, anyone bought it? Need one anyway, seem to have lost my old one but sure would only be a normal scales now since the points have changed!

    I tried a power plate class at lunch today, some workout for 30mins, legs were jelly after....Weigh in this evening, hopefully the wine, popcorn & malteasers last night wont do too much damage....

    Edit: Johnson Mooney & O'Brien wholemeal 4pp for 2slices/ goodness of both bread: 5pp for 2slices... Had thought they were 3 sorry:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭finglasgal1


    Made the spagetti carbonara yesterday that Lady Lainy put up a while back, it was lovely, really rich! I added mushrooms to the recipe, worked well with it. Thinking of investing in the WW weighing scales, anyone bought it? Need one anyway, seem to have lost my old one but sure would only be a normal scales now since the points have changed!I tried a power plate class at lunch today, some workout for 30mins, legs were jelly after....Weigh in this evening, hopefully the wine, popcorn & malteasers last night wont do too much damage....Johnson Mooney & O'Brien wholemeal/ goodness of both bread: 3pp for 2slices!

    I was thinking of getting the scales too... but I have heard 50/50 attitude on them! so Im in 2 minds! arghhh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Birdie086


    wow this thread is busy,
    had a great night out last night, i was very clever last night drinking cocktails..........dont feel so clever now!!!!
    dreading WI thursday morning but not gonna skip it - been down that road before and its a dodgy one!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭usernamecat


    ..Johnson Mooney & O'Brien wholemeal/ goodness of both bread: 3pp for 2slices!


    Did you check the pro points in it ? thats really good! all the bread i checked was 5 for 2 points nearly!

    Best of luck in the Wi x


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭usernamecat


    Trying not to let this mornings weight in get to me.

    On nights so only had my breakfast a while ago, had 30g Rice Krispies , Slimline Milk , 1 small Tspoon sugar , Tea & Banana.

    Just made some soup as well.

    Not meaning to make this into a diary girls , just trying to get some encouragement & back in the right mind frame for the week x


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭astra2000


    I have been trying to catch up on all the posts since I was last on there has been so many!
    Heres my update my week got off to such a bad start, had a planned esb outage I forgot about on wed major panic ended up grazing all day and not been satisfied. Got up thurs full of new motivation and just at lunch time power went again it was off until 10.30 pm and the damage I did was unreal! Then came weekend and valentines aaagh. Anyway back on track today still trying not to eat too many carbs its hard after the last few days overdoseing of them:o,. I usually weigh in on wed but I changed that last week to sat as I think this may suit me better (I do this on line) . Anyway best of luck to everyone and well done on all the losses, fofany enjoy your hols! Am off now to try and catch up on a few more pages of posting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭usernamecat


    I was thinking of getting the scales too... but I have heard 50/50 attitude on them! so Im in 2 minds! arghhh

    i asked my leader about them at a meeting and she said they were kinda waste of money : /


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭astra2000


    Trying not to let this mornings weight in get to me.

    On nights so only had my breakfast a while ago, had 30g Rice Krispies , Slimline Milk , 1 small Tspoon sugar , Tea & Banana.

    Just made some soup as well.

    Not meaning to make this into a diary girls , just trying to get some encouragement & back in the right mind frame for the week x

    I love hearing what others are eating gives me more ideas, post away!


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭usernamecat


    astra2000 wrote: »
    I love hearing what others are eating gives me more ideas, post away!

    Thanks Astra :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭shortstuff!


    Did you check the pro points in it ? thats really good! all the bread i checked was 5 for 2 points nearly!

    Best of luck in the Wi x

    Yep worked it out for both types...I doubled the nutritional values first and worked it out on the calculator, hope Im not wrong now!! Great way to save 2pp a day without noticing, really nice bread too!


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭usernamecat


    Yep worked it out for both types...I doubled the nutritional values first and worked it out on the calculator, hope Im not wrong now!! Great way to save 2pp a day without noticing, really nice bread too!


    Cool cool :) thanks for that shortstuff. Wont feel as guilty now when i have bread. savage saving lol trying to spare as many points as i can this week.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    Ok after being so good (apart from dinner with OH last night, but used my weeklies for that) all week (WI in tomorrow evening) the boredom got the better of me and i'm after having 5PP of choc and 4PP crisps!! and I had a huge brunch so now only 14PP left for the day and my planned dinner is 13PP. No weeklies left and I just know I am going to want another snack later :( damn!

    Also my scales arent budging at all, in fact they look like I might have gained a lb. I am really hoping it is because they are old and dodgy (not digital) because I have been so good and exercised every day except today!! TOTM due this week but that never really seemed to affect me before, I don't think...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Lady Lainy


    Quick question

    Anyone know how much is in a fun sized yorkie bar and Oreo cookies??
    I love love love oreo cookies. ww online says an 11g oreo cookie is 1pp.....which is great....but i know i could never stop at one....so not worth even having the temptation in my house.

    a packet of 165g oreo cookies is 22pp.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭doctorwhogirl


    Hey all!!!
    Long term weightwatcher and I have to say I'm seriously concerned about these propoints!!!!

    My first couple of weeks were ok.

    I find that now I'm literally maintaining and not losing at all over past few weeks despite being very good.

    I've never gone two weeks and stayed the same at ww so I'm a bit frustrated.

    I've only 12 pounds to go to get to my personal goal, having lost around 6 stone.

    Just want to know is anyone else feeling the same?

    Am thinking of just returning to points!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭kashmir


    Molly1 wrote: »
    another question... is a banana a day too much do you think?:confused:

    No, Molly, keep eating fruit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭nuttykat


    Hi all and well done on all the weight loss.
    For those that aren't reapin the rewards keep fightin
    it will happen.
    Had my fourth WI tonight.
    Down another 1.5
    Total 9 pounds!
    Meetin on portion sizes will share what's reLevant! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭kashmir


    dammitj wrote: »
    Hi all.

    Are the weeklies really optional? My leader said we should try to eat them every week so I have been.
    Hmmmm.
    Also I exercise but I don't count the exercise points as I'm afraid I won't do it right. That's what I did last year and I'm sticking to it.



    The lower fat rich tea biccies are nice with a cuppa and are only a point each.
    :)

    I eat all them and half my exercise points and still am losing weight and I'm trying just to maintain. I really find that the propoints system and the amount of fruit I'm eating has fastened my metabolism big time. No doubt it will start slowing as soon as it becomes habit and I'll have to find something else to quicken it :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭astra2000


    DOCTORWHOGIRL Ultimately you need to be the one to decide what best suits your body, you have done absoloutly fantastic and are an inspiration to me and I am sure the other ladies who have a lot to go. Do you attend classes if so ask your leader I am sure she has experience of this type of thing and will be able to offer advice. It is amazing how hard the last few punnds are to lose, maybe you could alter your diet a little or do more exercise. Whatever you decìde keep remembering how well you have done!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭kashmir


    Hey all!!!
    Long term weightwatcher and I have to say I'm seriously concerned about these propoints!!!!

    My first couple of weeks were ok.

    I find that now I'm literally maintaining and not losing at all over past few weeks despite being very good.

    I've never gone two weeks and stayed the same at ww so I'm a bit frustrated.

    I've only 12 pounds to go to get to my personal goal, having lost around 6 stone.

    Just want to know is anyone else feeling the same?

    Am thinking of just returning to points!

    A wild guess - are you undereating?? Notice with everyone I know that being "too good" on this propoints doesn't seem to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭doctorwhogirl


    astra2000 wrote: »
    DOCTORWHOGIRL Ultimately you need to be the one to decide what best suits your body, you have done absoloutly fantastic and are an inspiration to me and I am sure the other ladies who have a lot to go. Do you attend classes if so ask your leader I am sure she has experience of this type of thing and will be able to offer advice. It is amazing how hard the last few punnds are to lose, maybe you could alter your diet a little or do more exercise. Whatever you decìde keep remembering how well you have done!

    Thanks Astra!
    I do attend classes, and the leader is great, but does rush us at the scales!

    Thing is, I am now 5 pound above my WW goal, which I got to last June. I got to it through hard work, but lost a good pound a week to get there.

    I seem to be dancing around the same half stone for the past 3 or so months with no great shift despite a real effort, particularly since January.

    I exercise at least 3 times a week and a few light bits thrown in with that!

    I understand what you mean though about listening to my body!
    Just curious to see was anyone else finding the same with propoints?

    Well done to everyone here btw. It's been a while since I dropped by and you're doing brilliantly!

    Kasmir! Defo not undereating! :P


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  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭Layla0509


    Eabhabear wrote: »
    I know how you feel. Over the last few weeks I've had people telling me I look great and I've lost so much weight. And last week I was on a night out and for some reason I had this wave of confidence and I was chatting guys up with no bother :D but then I saw the photos from that night out and I cringed at every one of them. I felt I still looked like I did before I started fat legs, fat arms etc. The mirror is the same. And I feel people see me that way as well. I hope like you that when I get to goal that'll change!

    its so sad isnt it? i feel exactly the same Eabhabear
    myself and hubby would be out and about and id catch a glimpse of myself in a reflection or something and be horrified at waht id see or (this is going to sound awful but) see someone overweight and feel like im the same size even though my husband insists im not but its easy for him to say but its how i feel so far ive lost 1st since jan 4th and still going strong

    its just so hard to shift that perception of yourself that you've lived with for so long


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭aspie mum


    Shoe Lover wrote: »
    Be careful with the merginues! It's 1 pp for a nest weighing only 12grams! I got the supervalu own brand at the weekend, and they are 20g each, so 2pp per nest! Still good value for a treat! Had them last night for Valentines with blueberries, grapes and strawberries and some of the Linessa Spray Cream from Lidl - 1pp per tablespoon :D


    Just weighed my Merguines they are 25 grammes ooooops!!!!
    Nust try the Linessa as i find i through out some of the WW as i dont have it that often or else throw it in my soup kinda beats the purpose of making zero point soup when i stick 2 points of cream in it :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭kashmir


    Thanks Astra!
    I do attend classes, and the leader is great, but does rush us at the scales!

    Thing is, I am now 5 pound above my WW goal, which I got to last June. I got to it through hard work, but lost a good pound a week to get there.

    I seem to be dancing around the same half stone for the past 3 or so months with no great shift despite a real effort, particularly since January.

    I exercise at least 3 times a week and a few light bits thrown in with that!

    I understand what you mean though about listening to my body!
    Just curious to see was anyone else finding the same with propoints?

    Well done to everyone here btw. It's been a while since I dropped by and you're doing brilliantly!

    Kasmir! Defo not undereating! :P

    It's crazy how this new system seems to work so well for some and others are struggling. In general though I think it is very difficult to lose that last little bit. I had 1lb to lose for ages last year, it was nearly a case of having to put a couple of lbs on to lose 3 in one go. Mad! Another trick is to change your eating pattern or typical food a bit, sometimes that causes a shift in metabolic rate. You have done so well so far, keep with the new system a bit longer, you just don't know when it will kick in for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭tiny_penguin


    Layla0509 wrote: »
    its so sad isnt it? i feel exactly the same Eabhabear
    myself and hubby would be out and about and id catch a glimpse of myself in a reflection or something and be horrified at waht id see or (this is going to sound awful but) see someone overweight and feel like im the same size even though my husband insists im not but its easy for him to say but its how i feel so far ive lost 1st since jan 4th and still going strong

    its just so hard to shift that perception of yourself that you've lived with for so long

    That is the same as me! I am always comparing myself to other people. When I see people the same size as me (according to friends anyway) they always look a million times smaller then me. Last time I lost the weight I got down to the same weight as my friend, we fit into each others clothes but I was still convinced that to everyone else I still looked like the fat friend out of the 2 of us!

    I hate how your perception can change so quickly, like you say a quick glance in a mirror or look a photo can instantly ruin a day that you may have been feeling like you looked good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭tantipie


    ...Johnson Mooney & O'Brien wholemeal/ goodness of both bread: 3pp for 2slices!
    i just pointed this and got 4 pp for 2 slices:( still good tho


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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭rachelryan29


    Down 1/2 lb so not too bad I suppose!! On and upwards!! Writin this
    From spin bike I'm gym waiting for class to start.. Hoping for my first silver 7 next wk.. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭rachel


    So weigh in today, another 2lbs down, so 10lbs in 6 weeks. Delighted, really loving the propoints. It really is great, I don't feel deprived at all. I've also got my mum on the online version as well (after much resistance and an awakening in the changing rooms of Jack Willis :D) and I have to say the support is brilliant, she's down 10lbs as well, in 4 weeks so we're definitely doing something right. Here's to getting back to goal!


  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭fofany


    Just caught up on todays postings. Well done for those who had a good loss & well done too who weren't too happy with their loss - a loss is a loss. Maybe it's all that water you all seem to have been drinking! I don't eat or drink anything before my WI, but it's easy for me as my class is at 9.15am & I go straight there after I leave the kids to school. And for anyone who had a gain - been there, done that & that was after a good week. There's nothing for it but to keep going. After my gain, I had a 4lb loss the next week - kinda made up for the previous week's disappointment!

    Well, here in France I have had my 3rd bad day in a row. I always start off well, having my 30g packet of porridge I brought in the suitcase. We went into Disney this morning & our friends (who were going home today) texted for us all to meet up for lunch. The restaurant had no healthy options:eek:. Had a burger & chips & enjoyed every mouthful. The kids didn't eat all theres & at least one thing being on WW has taught me - I didn't eat their leftovers, but I would have before. Made a healthy (but maybe not low pp) chicken fried rice for tea when we came home. Also went swimming, but only for 10 mins as the water was so cold & youngest's lips were turning blue, so had to take her out. I know I could go back now for one as she is sleeping, but its freezing & wet out there & the thought of getting back into that freezing pool just doesn't appeal! Thinking of taking a day away to myself tomorrow & head into Paris (shopping more that sightseeing). Hubby has booked to take the kids to the princess lunch, but I really need to stop all this eating out, so the booking is for 3 instead of 4 & I can make a healthy wrap & bring some fruuit in my rucksack to munch as I walk around Paris. Au revoir.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Lady Lainy


    rachel wrote: »
    So weigh in today, another 2lbs down, so 10lbs in 6 weeks. Delighted, really loving the propoints. It really is great, I don't feel deprived at all. I've also got my mum on the online version as well (after much resistance and an awakening in the changing rooms of Jack Willis :D) and I have to say the support is brilliant, she's down 10lbs as well, in 4 weeks so we're definitely doing something right. Here's to getting back to goal!

    thats fantastic! well done to the both of ye!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭shortstuff!


    tantipie wrote: »
    i just pointed this and got 4 pp for 2 slices:( still good tho

    Oh no! Repointed goodness of both and getting 5 for 2slices now, dont have the wholemeal one, from a website looks like 4 tho... Wouldnt mind but I recalculated it 2/3 times to be sure in the 1st place... Wonder what else ive been getting wrong? Sorry 2anyone who rushed out to buy some!

    1/2lb down:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 huggiebear


    Hi all. Well had my WI this morning after a very good week but a very bad wend and was 1lb down. THANK GOD ,as last week i was up half pound.....Four weeks in now on pro points and down total 9 lbs. last two weeks have been v.slow. I think pro points is slower to loose on but maybe it will stay off and that in itself will be a good thing:p
    Got the wheat bran in Tesco so muffins for the wend!!

    Well done to all who have lost and to those who havent remember rome wasnt built in a day!!! KEEP AT IT... WE WILL GET THERE....

    ps got the new canderel bake sugar today so will try it out at wend and keep ye posted if it was a waste of money. Very expensive..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭newbee22


    Does anyone know how many propoints would be in 200g of mince meat?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Lady Lainy


    newbee22 wrote: »
    Does anyone know how many propoints would be in 200g of mince meat?!

    depends on what kind of meat it is...and how lean it is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 soph!


    Lost 1.5 tonight at weigh in so delighted as I'm finding it really hard to shift the last few pounds I wanna loss!!! Lost 4stone so far


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭newbee22


    Lady Lainy wrote: »
    depends on what kind of meat it is...and how lean it is

    I'm so stupid! I threw the packet away but all I remember it saying was that it was lean, don't think it said extra lean or anything!


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