RED ROCK [News, Spoilers and Discussion]

Kermit.de.frog · 28-12-2014 7:47pm

So that's what happened to her...

Grab All Association · 28-12-2014 9:11pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

christ "Amber" certainly grew up didn't she!!

Amber was filmed in 2011. Never seen it but read the Wiki page. They should have called her Aoife. Aoife is a common Irish name. I have only ever met one person called Amber and that was in Texas

emanresu esrever · 28-12-2014 9:18pm

Chris___ wrote: »

Amber was filmed in 2011. Never seen it but read the Wiki page. They should have called her Aoife. Aoife is a common Irish name. I have only ever met one person called Amber and that was in Texas

why?? Amber is a relatively popular name now, not extrovert in anyway tbh. Naming a show Aoife or Mary would be hardly very eyecatching titling!

D Trent · 28-12-2014 9:48pm

Chris___ wrote: »

Amber was filmed in 2011. Never seen it but read the Wiki page. They should have called her Aoife. Aoife is a common Irish name. I have only ever met one person called Amber and that was in Texas

Speaking of 'Should have'
They should have not made the show at all
I will never get my time back

Grab All Association · 28-12-2014 10:10pm

D Trent wrote: »

Speaking of 'Should have'
They should have not made the show at all
I will never get my time back

Was it that bad?

emanresu esrever wrote: »

why?? Amber is a relatively popular name now, not extrovert in anyway tbh. Naming a show Aoife or Mary would be hardly very eyecatching titling!

Oh dear god. The last thing we need is names like Amber, Paige, Josh, Alyssa, Penny, Drake, Randy and Crystal.

I was in the post office a couple of weeks ago and there was a skanger woman shouting at a girl messing with the winning streak envelopes. "Shakira come back ****ing here". Poor kid.

emanresu esrever · 28-12-2014 10:24pm

Amber is a lovely name, and has many underlying meanings which make it a great choice, such as jewel or, as i have just read, its celtic derivative, Fierce ? i dont think its a strange nor annoying name at all! sure arent you named after a cult!! ; )

Strazdas · 28-12-2014 11:14pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

Amber is a lovely name, and has many underlying meanings which make it a great choice, such as jewel or, as i have just read, its celtic derivative, Fierce ? i dont think its a strange nor annoying name at all! sure arent you named after a cult!! ; )

It's becoming more popular too, I'm aware of at least two or three girls in my own part of Dublin with the name.

Elmo · 29-12-2014 12:20am

Lets face it Red Rock should be Carrickdearg :rolleyes:

emanresu esrever · 29-12-2014 12:25am

Strazdas wrote: »

It's becoming more popular too, I'm aware of at least two or three girls in my own part of Dublin with the name.

exactly, i know 5 Ambers off hand, although none over age of 28. I used to know 6 but one of them went missing out of nowhere.................................

I also know a Strazdas, Leitrim name, isn't it?

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2014 6:33am

Here it is. €80m?

‘Red Rock’, TV3’s first serious shot at soap glory, due on our screens in early January. Not only is there the financial outlay to consider (a reported €80m in this case), but there’s also the time (80 episodes over a two-year period) and the typecasting (quick, what’s Ken Barlow’s real name?).

http://www.iftn.ie/news/featureinterviews/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4287885&tpl=archnews&force=1

Elmo · 29-12-2014 6:48am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Here it is. €80m?

http://www.iftn.ie/news/featureinterviews/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4287885&tpl=archnews&force=1

Don't believe every thing you read. At the very most it's costing 31m and even that's ott TV3 only earn 55m a year.

I'd say it's a typo. Tbh

George White · 29-12-2014 11:08am

Strazdas wrote: »

Good looking girl in that photo

It's not the same actress. Lauryn "Amber" Canny is fifteen, Jane Somethingorother is the pictured actress. She's about twenty-five.

HeidiHeidi · 29-12-2014 12:35pm

When is this starting?

I'm borderline allergic to TV3 these days, so haven't seen any of the ads.

I'll give this a chance, though.

Strazdas · 29-12-2014 2:26pm

Elmo wrote: »

Don't believe every thing you read. At the very most it's costing 31m and even that's ott TV3 only earn 55m a year.

I'd say it's a typo. Tbh

The figure I read recently was 7 or 8m Euros (which is still a huge outlay by TV3 standards)

emanresu esrever · 29-12-2014 3:26pm

George White wrote: »

It's not the same actress. Lauryn "Amber" Canny is fifteen, Jane Somethingorother is the pictured actress. She's about twenty-five.

sorry you are right! i just saw the articles and when i saw "staered in Amber" made the assumption as they are very alike! i cant see how she starred in Amber, although the way tv3 overpublicises itself she was merely driving the Luas/dart amber waslast seen on and they saw her as starring! i couldnt work the maths out either even though i know the show was probably filmed couple of years ago and she was probably older than the character she portrayed.

ah well, she is a good looking girl regardless! wouldnt mind being arrested by her!

emanresu esrever · 29-12-2014 3:31pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

When is this starting?

I'm borderline allergic to TV3 these days, so haven't seen any of the ads.

I'll give this a chance, though.

dont worry Tv3 have a habit of repeating everything from the ads to the programes multiple times! so you wont miss it even if you go out of your way to !! that station is like groundhog day!

TV Threpeat...

emanresu esrever · 29-12-2014 8:44pm

Ha!! Did that poster really conceive that TV3 were spending 80 million on this!! 8 million over the initial 2 year contract period AT MOST.

I am predicting this is going to flop big time! Tv3 has no precedence for homegrown drama success, i believe? And the pressure to establish this as a "soap" to rival corrie/eastenders/emmerdale/Fair City etc isnt a good starting point.

Thre has been only one soap (Hollyoaks) which has had a bit of success since comig onto screens since the Big 3 (in England) and Fair City took effect. Brookside was even more popular in late 80s/ early 90s but ran out of steam with its over the top stories.

Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting

Strazdas · 29-12-2014 9:19pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

Ha!! Did that poster really conceive that TV3 were spending 80 million on this!! 8 million over the initial 2 year contract period AT MOST.

I am predicting this is going to flop big time! Tv3 has no precedence for homegrown drama success, i believe? And the pressure to establish this as a "soap" to rival corrie/eastenders/emmerdale/Fair City etc isnt a good starting point.

Thre has been only one soap (Hollyoaks) which has had a bit of success since comig onto screens since the Big 3 (in England) and Fair City took effect. Brookside was even more popular in late 80s/ early 90s but ran out of steam with its over the top stories.

Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting

But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.

emanresu esrever · 29-12-2014 9:34pm

Re the Amber mix up................ The actress in red rock "starred" as a dead body who the gardai thought was Ambers but it wasn't............. They do look extremely the same, even though the age gap is a few years

"You were also in Amber as well weren’t you?
Yeah, they thought I was Amber. They thought my body was Amber but it wasn’t. I had another little storyline where I had died in a car crash and they found my body and they thought I was Amber because myself and her are very similar."

30-12-2014 1:31am

Twice a week Soap Ill give it a shot

see no reason why its cannot be on 3 times a week on Sunday 8:30pm after fair city ?

emanresu esrever · 30-12-2014 2:39am

Strazdas wrote: »

But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.

well there is a massive viewership difference between the UK and Ireland districts! Plus the British big three are the main soaps in Ireland, so yeah, they are its contenders, in fact Fair city isn't what it should be worried about tbh.
So I amn't sure what advantage they have at all! ITV has a massive budget, BBC is essentially state run as is RTE and TV3 is a low budget station which relies heavily on impported shows, most of which are lost now.

Ambitious or not, the show is being put together out of necessity and desperation now as its lost its soaps. Why not make a drama whilst the station was strong with the anchor shows of Corrie and Emmerdale on hand. That was the time to show ambition and keep the viewers on the station after Corrie/Emmerdale.

Ill have a look but i dont have high hopes.

and god help it if is put up against epic show "Ray Darcys Superstar Dogs" that made its debut last night.........

Elmo · 30-12-2014 4:06am

Strazdas wrote: »

But they've no particular record for failure with drama either. This is hugely ambitious by their standards, it appears to be the biggest programme launch in their entire history.

They do have one big advantage over the UK in that there are already three big nightly British soap operas but they've only one Irish contender to take on, meaning it would be easier for a new Irish soap to launch than a new British one.

And you'd wonder why they didn't do it sooner.

The irish producers are good, but some of the writers where involved in desperation.

Think it is unfair to criticise something we haven't seen yet.

emanresu esrever · 30-12-2014 4:24am

Elmo wrote: »

And you'd wonder why they didn't do it sooner.

The irish producers are good, but some of the writers where involved in desperation.

Think it is unfair to criticise something we haven't seen yet.

noones criticizing it. i just anticipate, on balance of probabilities, the odds are it won't be a big success for reasons i have stated above. i dont think there is room for a new soap really. just my opinion. going by interviews, previews, articles i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

Elmo · 30-12-2014 5:26am

emanresu esrever wrote: »

overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

Clearly not an eastenders fan.

emanresu esrever · 30-12-2014 1:37pm

Elmo wrote: »

Clearly not an eastenders fan.

eastenders takes a different approach to humour. it isnt slapstick, silly or pantimine humour which is used in corrie or Emmerdale but the humour is within thr dialogue such as nick the other day when dot found him and mrs. doyle on the sofa.... "maw never did like the sex pistols" or tamwars overall demeanour or billy mitchells failures in life. i do agree it could do with a little more charm but it can afford to neglect same as its such an established show.

my point is soaps nowadays entering the market have a lot to live up to and the standards, even if lacking now (corrie) have been set. people are creatures of habit and one more soap may just be one too many unless it is excellent.

Strazdas · 30-12-2014 2:27pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

eastenders takes a different approach to humour. it isnt slapstick, silly or pantimine humour which is used in corrie or Emmerdale but the humour is within thr dialogue such as nick the other day when dot found him and mrs. doyle on the sofa.... "maw never did like the sex pistols" or tamwars overall demeanour or billy mitchells failures in life. i do agree it could do with a little more charm but it can afford to neglect same as its such an established show.

my point is soaps nowadays entering the market have a lot to live up to and the standards, even if lacking now (corrie) have been set. people are creatures of habit and one more soap may just be one too many unless it is excellent.

Having said that, Eastenders was an instant success. Within weeks it had a really big audience, and within a year it's ratings were going through the stratosphere.

It's difficult to tell if now is the right time for a new Irish soap or not. I guess we'll find out very quickly.

SweetChaos · 30-12-2014 2:28pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

noones criticizing it. i just anticipate, on balance of probabilities, the odds are it won't be a big success for reasons i have stated above. i dont think there is room for a new soap really. just my opinion. going by interviews, previews, articles i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

There is room for another soap and I'm quite looking forward to it , we need another Irish soap competition for Fair City, it might make them pull up their socks and change the shíte the are churning out at the moment

We should be supporting our own home grown soaps and new and upcoming actors

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2014 2:30pm

TV3 would probably be hoping too that if it is successful they could sell it abroad. But it's a big ask.

I don't watch soaps myself but despite Fair City the market is captive to the bigger British soaps so this can only help loosen that if it is good.

Strazdas · 30-12-2014 3:03pm

Preview of the very first episode here :

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/bludgeoned-body-found-on-dublin-beach-as-tv3s-red-rock-gets-set-for-grim-first-episode-30869781.html

Interestingly, the first ever episode of Eastenders featured the discovery of a dead body too.

MelanieC · 30-12-2014 3:30pm

It all hangs on the first episode for now. Everyone is going to have an "i'll just watch the first one & see what it's like" attitude out of curiosity more than anything else. It's up to the pilot to draw people in & make them want to continue watching.

Obviously the subsequent shows need to hold interest too but if the first episode is poor,it will be that much harder to entice viewers back even if it later improves.

TOMs WIFE · 30-12-2014 8:38pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

Maybe im wrong but unless it takes a different approach to traditional soaps, cant see it lasting

emanresu esrever wrote: »

i think the producers may go down the overdramatic approach and neglect to include charm and humour which are imperative for a soap to be well, a soap!!

So which? You want it to take a different approach to normal soaps or you want it to be "well, a soap" ?

TOMs WIFE · 30-12-2014 8:39pm

Strazdas wrote: »

It's difficult to tell if now is the right time for a new Irish soap or not. I guess we'll find out very quickly.

They have already said they have to play the long game on it, that there will be peaks and troughs. They say that is why they are committing to 2 years.

emanresu esrever · 30-12-2014 10:17pm

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

So which? You want it to take a different approach to normal soaps or you want it to be "well, a soap" ?

a different approach would be welcomed. I think the fact that they are devising a soap is equally welcoming, but that doesnt mean it will be a success or viewers will catch onto it or they can devise original storylines. I think it is vital they attract viewers and maybe they have no choice other than this but why they waited until the stations most challenging hour to attemt something like this is beyond me. They should have trusted their instincts beforehand whilst they had the viewers on board with the other soaps on their schedule. I know its just a flick of a remote but you will be surprised with how people just leave their telly on the same station during "soap times"

podgeandrodge · 30-12-2014 11:10pm

A good few photos from the first episode in the galleries on these articles:

http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/blue-murder-as-new-soap-red-rock-starts-with-a-bang-30868678.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/arts-culture-news/take-glimpse-inside-tv3s-new-4893200

TV3 should put it up on UTV Ireland. After all, Corrie was on UTV and TV3.

Starts a week from now...7th Jan

Strazdas · 30-12-2014 11:16pm

podgeandrodge wrote: »

A good few photos from the first episode in the galleries on these articles:

http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/blue-murder-as-new-soap-red-rock-starts-with-a-bang-30868678.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/arts-culture-news/take-glimpse-inside-tv3s-new-4893200

TV3 should put it up on UTV Ireland. After all, Corrie was on UTV and TV3.

Just out of interest, do we know if Red Rock is shot on video or film? It's hard to tell from those Irish Mirror pictures. I think video might be better suited to a soap.....all the big UK ones have stuck with the format.

Elmo · 31-12-2014 3:46am

Strazdas wrote: »

Just out of interest, do we know if Red Rock is shot on video or film? It's hard to tell from those Irish Mirror pictures. I think video might be better suited to a soap.....all the big UK ones have stuck with the format.

I'd have thought most things are digitally filmed nowadays, films far too expensive for TV I'd be very rare.

podgeandrodge · 02-01-2015 7:56pm

First actual clip from the show:

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/703/0/0/Red-Rock

George White · 02-01-2015 8:16pm

Looks bleak as ****e.

podgeandrodge · 02-01-2015 8:53pm

George White wrote: »

Looks bleak as ****e.

I hope it is.

Elmo · 04-01-2015 1:36am

There is a definitely soapy feel to the new trailer of the show.

podgeandrodge · 04-01-2015 11:28am

Elmo wrote: »

There is a definitely soapy feel to the new trailer of the show.

Maybe that is why the clip finishes with them saying "our new soap"

I think it will be a bit different than run of the mill soaps though, perhaps a bit grittier from what they are saying.

podgeandrodge · 05-01-2015 9:13pm

Another trailer on the 3player site...Bad Cop being bad!

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/703/88435/1/Red-Rock

emanresu esrever · 05-01-2015 9:31pm

reading an interview with one of the leading females in the show and a couple of things struck my attention as not being very promising for Red Rock......

firstly when discussing her previous roles, the actress cited Amber (rte) as being one of her big roles to date ( she "starred" as a dead body.......)

secondly, when asked if she could ever see herself in Fair City, she responded with something along the lines of.... " im not even thinking about that now, we all know you have to be brilliant to get a role in fair city....."

hmmmm.....

dave1982 · 05-01-2015 10:05pm

I wonder will it go down "the bill" route?

George White · 05-01-2015 10:08pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

reading an interview with one of the leading females in the show and a couple of things struck my attention as not being very promising for Red Rock......

firstly when discussing her previous roles, the actress cited Amber (rte) as being one of her big roles to date ( she "starred" as a dead body.......

hmmmm.....

Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPyrk5jHMtc

TOMs WIFE · 05-01-2015 10:26pm

dave1982 wrote: »

I wonder will it go down "the bill" route?

I wouldn't mind if it did a bit.

emanresu esrever · 05-01-2015 10:40pm

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

I wouldn't mind if it did a bit.

no, its very family orientated by look of it... police station is kind of like a plot device in a way. maybe that will change in time but they are going down the "feuding clans" route at the moment........

TOMs WIFE · 05-01-2015 11:33pm

emanresu esrever wrote: »

no, its very family orientated by look of it... police station is kind of like a plot device in a way. maybe that will change in time but they are going down the "feuding clans" route at the moment........

There was an IFTN website article I had read some time back which mentioned a 'crime of the week' story....Mabe they were wrong as you seem sure?

emanresu esrever · 06-01-2015 5:03am

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

There was an IFTN website article I had read some time back which mentioned a 'crime of the week' story....Mabe they were wrong as you seem sure?

i read that alright. and maybe you are right....... its not as if any other soap has criminal activities ongoing week to week......... ; ) tbh, that sounds a bit odd! what happens, they find out their crime on the first episode of the week and by the end of the second, the baddie is being led away shouting... "i would have got away with it if it wssn't for those pesky gardai" !

we await with baited breath....!

Elmo · 06-01-2015 7:52am

emanresu esrever wrote: »

i read that alright. and maybe you are right....... its not as if any other soap has criminal activities ongoing week to week......... ; ) tbh, that sounds a bit odd! what happens, they find out their crime on the first episode of the week and by the end of the second, the baddie is being led away shouting... "i would have got away with it if it wssn't for those pesky gardai" !

we await with baited breath....!

I assume that the series will have arcs and crimes of the week.

I imagine that they will deal with the family plot across the week and this will involve a criminal investigation, meanwhile a crime of the week will occur.

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