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Have you ever been in love in the romantic sense?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    ^^^^^
    I think I know why you've never fallen in love.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    ^^^^^
    I think I know why you've never fallen in love.

    I don't think you do really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    The love at first sight as pure projection is a tad cynical. I remember clearly what I felt the first time I saw my husband. He was on a bus. At a distance from me. He had a lopsided smile, he did not see me. He had golden hair on his arms and legs. He was so relaxed in his body, like a free animal. Just totally at peace and content He was wearing cut up denim shorts, sandals, a short sleeved shirt open down the front- it was a warm place abroad. He worn a red bandana knotted around his neck and his hair was curly and shoulder length. I felt a completely overwhelming almost psychedelic sensation, it was not sexual, it was an innocent sense of being mesmerised, like a psychic recognition or deja vu, or some kind of compression of time where the whole of past and future contracted. It was literally as though he was illuminated by one of those angelic shafts of light in esoteric paintings. :D
    I got off the bus and presumed I would never see him again and that did not matter. I did not even think anymore about it, just flowed on with what I was doing in my life at that time. It was a whole experience worthy of being beginning middle and end and I just felt a sort of happiness and confidence that all was well with the world.

    I did see him again, as it happened.

    Was he the driver?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Wibbs wrote: »
    of what was a complete and utter stranger. So unless you believe in the world of the psychic and the like, and fair enough if you do, it was a lovely fantasy and projection. I mean a monstrous psychopath like Ted Bundy and a load of women fall "in love" wth him, some from a distance, a few up close and personal and no doubt at least one felt a similar luminosity for a complete nutcase. One even got up the duff with him when he was in prison. No doubt he was The One™© for her.

    But you'll also see the same thing happen in long term relationships. People will find out, after ten years with someone, that they are having an affair, or are gay, or some other, less dramatic, thing, and they will suddenly find themselves waking up next to a stranger. And it may have been months before they said they loved them or felt in love with them. Is three months, or whatever, enough to say you know someone? Love is a feeling, it always exists inside us exclusively at first and only in the happiest of circumstances will it grow beyond that, but there's no time limit as to when it can be felt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 939 ✭✭✭bitofabind


    I think we've been sold a pup when it comes to love tbh. The Dirty Dancing, fireworks, writing poetry after a single glance, standing on the bow of the Titanic after a few hours of meeting type of love...isn't love. In the real world that's what I call a red flag. Yer real-life Leo is going to ghost you in the middle of next week.
    gogo wrote: »
    There was no big explosion, no grand gestures, it just is. It just happened.

    I've been in love once, and this was what I experienced. No fireworks or "we locked eyes and I just knew." We worked together, and were friends of sorts first. I smiled when I thought of him and seeing him made my day. He looked at me so tenderly, so wonderfully.

    We started dating, things progressed and he just felt safe. He felt like home. There were no dramatics, no 'is he isn't he' dances, we just immediately were a team, and I felt complete and absolute acceptance from him in a way I'd never experienced from a man before. Whether it was my lateness or my moods, his impatience or his messiness. We laughed and joked and found ways around those smaller things because there was this immediate acceptance that we were our own little team.

    Retrospectively, all of those healthy things were there - respect for each other, affection, great chemistry, similar family values, generosity and emotional availability with each other. Things that grew as the relationship did, until life got in the way.

    If you're waiting for fireworks, you're waiting for the wrong thing IME. Attraction is of course key, it's how things move forward. But love is so much deeper than that. IME it's stabilising, life-affirming, a sort of deep familiarity of feeling like you've always known this person more than anything else.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    ^^^^^
    I think I know why you've never fallen in love.
    Possibly, though if so more because they can't suspend disbelief enough to fall into it so don't. Those who can, which would be most people, certainly when young, do. Some folks are just wired differently, or experience has rewired them.

    And S makes some valid points which are more objectively true than they're not, though because most of us suspend our disbelief for good mental, emotional and even evolutionary reasons we choose to ignore them.

    Better looking people do have it easier. A good looking man or woman will simply have more choices unless they're curtailed by say social anxiety. Study after study has shown people overwhelmingly tend to end up with partners of the same attractiveness* and social and educational and intelligence levels. While there are exceptions they prove the rule. And yet you often hear and I found more from men that their partner is "out of their league". If generally speaking you want to know how attractive you are look to your previous relationships and how attractive they would be to others. That's your "level" pretty much.

    Its even been found that we find those with different immune systems to our own to be more attractive. The mechanism for this is not understood, but scent seems to be a big part of it. Years ago I met this woman who was a "perfect fit" for me in pretty much every way and she expressed similar in my direction and yet when we kissed something was most certainly "off" and we both felt it. Very weird. Maybe our reptile brains went "sorry, nope". Hell it's even been found that women at different times in their menstrual cycle are attracted to different male faces. Around ovulation they click faces that are more masculine, when not or when pregnant they prefer less masculine faces. The pill can skew this and there has been some research that showed breakups were more likely to happen after a woman gave up taking hormonal contraception(or started it). Another study into strippers of all people found that the women on the pill got fewer tips from the men. Indeed among some of the women they had already noticed this. Somehow the men were picking up "not fertile". It's complex and subtle this stuff and covered with a thick layer of cultural and psychological stuff too.



    *This can be skewed by richer men who tend to partner "up", but again it's part of the attractiveness quotient.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Possibly, though if so more because they can't suspend disbelief enough to fall into it so don't. Those who can, which would be most people, certainly when young, do. Some folks are just wired differently, or experience has rewired them.

    And S makes some valid points which are more objectively true than they're not, though because most of us suspend our disbelief for good mental, emotional and even evolutionary reasons we choose to ignore them.

    Better looking people do have it easier. A good looking man or woman will simply have more choices unless they're curtailed by say social anxiety. Study after study has shown people overwhelmingly tend to end up with partners of the same attractiveness* and social and educational and intelligence levels. While there are exceptions they prove the rule. And yet you often hear and I found more from men that their partner is "out of their league". If generally speaking you want to know how attractive you are look to your previous relationships and how attractive they would be to others. That's your "level" pretty much.

    Its even been found that we find those with different immune systems to our own to be more attractive. The mechanism for this is not understood, but scent seems to be a big part of it. Years ago I met this woman who was a "perfect fit" for me in pretty much every way and she expressed similar in my direction and yet when we kissed something was most certainly "off" and we both felt it. Very weird. Maybe our reptile brains went "sorry, nope". Hell it's even been found that women at different times in their menstrual cycle are attracted to different male faces. Around ovulation they click faces that are more masculine, when not or when pregnant they prefer less masculine faces. The pill can skew this and there has been some research that showed breakups were more likely to happen after a woman gave up taking hormonal contraception(or started it). Another study into strippers of all people found that the women on the pill got fewer tips from the men. Indeed among some of the women they had already noticed this. Somehow the men were picking up "not fertile". It's complex and subtle this stuff and covered with a thick layer of cultural and psychological stuff too.



    *This can be skewed by richer men who tend to partner "up", but again it's part of the attractiveness quotient.

    How about we all just speak for ourselves, from our own experience?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    How about we all just speak for ourselves, from our own experience?

    Yes, that too. But that was my own experience of observing life and living life, and you made an unfair comment.

    Be sensitive to those of us who have never experienced anything and are trying to make sense of it all.:P;)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    How about we all just speak for ourselves, from our own experience?
    I didn't know there were rules to this, or just one side of things.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a saying: Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

    Utter Bollocks. I envy the OP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    There's a saying: Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

    Utter Bollocks. I envy the OP.

    If you lived my life, your envy would end.

    The grass is always greener...;)


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    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    It seems to me if love was really as magical as generally considered, there would be a lot less single people,women in particular, who look like the back side of a bus. Men's love only seems to arise for those of the female species with particular physical characteristics.

    From the outside, it's seems shallow and sexualized; self-deluded infatuation, selfishness and/or materialistic; based on the need to believe in a perfect ideal individual almost intangible, who is imaginary once the core is touched; in the inherent, natural, primitive need for one's own genetic material to improve, one's own nature to survive through blending with the most desirable characteristics; working up the rungs of social hierarchy through time, or the tempting allure for a comfortable, affluent existence in the present.

    As Lord Byron said:

    "Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat
    thy smiles hypocrisy, thy words deceit".

    If you were to ask me my ideal woman, from a physical traits point of view, I'd say tall, slim, dark skinned.

    My ex who I was crazy about was the polar opposite. As they say, love is blind.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    If you lived my life, your envy would end.

    The grass is always greener...;)

    the grass being greener works both ways. Experiencing real love then experiencing severe heartache ain't much fun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    .

    My ex who I was crazy about was the polar opposite. As they say, love is blind.

    As I say,

    love is blind,
    and I am lost
    inside a maze
    of mirrors.


    (I may have just made that up a moment ago and it may not make any sense)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    It seems to me if love was really as magical as generally considered, there would be a lot less single people,women in particular, who look like the back side of a bus.
    Is it only the good looking people that experience the magical stuff while the unattractive people are just settling for other unattractive people?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    How about we all just speak for ourselves, from our own experience?

    Says the guy who claimed to know why someone else has never been in love :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Yea, it was a heady cocktail of sexual chemistry and awe.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    Is it only the good looking people that experience the magical stuff while the unattractive people are just settling for other unattractive people?

    I don't know and please don't quote me out of context and make me look like a chauvinist.:P

    Something I've always wondered: why don't men tend to 'fall in love' with women who are overweight and not really generally considered to have pretty faces? Call me cynical, but it mostly seems to be the slim, curvy girls who are the object of men's affections, what they call 'love'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,638 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Everyone has loved someone, but only a few have had it returned. Most Irish couples are just thrown together out of convenience, plus there are a lot of CV daters or marriages. ''You earn 2k a week, I earn 2k a week, together we'd earn 4k a week, yay, lets get married'' It's all bulls h it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Everyone has loved someone.....

    Not true, as this thread shows.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭mossie


    Was in love once. Totally unexpected, out of the blue. She was years younger than me so never pursued it. Greatest regret of my life.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    Something I've always wondered: why don't men tend to 'fall in love' with women who are overweight and not really generally considered to have pretty faces? Call me cynical, but it mostly seems to be the slim, curvy girls who are the object of men's affections, what they call 'love'.
    I've known plenty of loved up couples where neither of them would win prizes in a beauty competition and/or were large of waistlines. Most people aren't destined for the cover of Vogue anyway.

    Plus what men(and women) say they want and what they actually go for can be two very different things. One guy I know loves larger sized women, actually obese women. That's his thing. When he was younger he wouldn't come out straight with it, but he'd be happy to admit that's this is his preference nowadays. He's actually slim fairly toned himself.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If you were to ask me my ideal woman, from a physical traits point of view, I'd say tall, slim, dark skinned.

    My ex who I was crazy about was the polar opposite. As they say, love is blind.
    and deaf and dumb too, with a side order of insanity at times. :D

    My "type" is pretty consistent tbh and when I've tried to buck that trend it always ended in double quick time.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    I don't know and please don't quote me out of context and make me look like a chauvinist.:P

    Ok then.
    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    Something I've always wondered: why don't men tend to 'fall in love' with women who are overweight and not really generally considered to have pretty faces? Call me cynical, but it mostly seems to be the slim, curvy girls who are the object of men's affections, what they call 'love'.

    People fall in love with people of all different shapes, sizes and personalities. The thing about incredibly good looking people is that if you peel away the skin from their faces, all you're left with is a deep feeling of satisfaction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭guitarhappy


    To be really gobsmacked enough to say I was in love, she would have to be a flaming wild redhead with green eyes.

    So, the odds are low, but I believe the romantic feelings would be in alignment with the visual experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    quickbeam wrote: »
    No, not ever, and not for a "daughter or son or family or Jesus" either.

    Maybe it's not in my DNA to be capable. Though I have felt love for pets, so I don't know.

    So you are capable.

    "Love is an act of courage". We are not afraid to love pets. They won't abandon us. If someone is able to accept potential future hurt, so is able to open themselves for love. That's the deal...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Ive been in love and had my heartbroken, it changes you.

    Love has nothing to do with how interesting the other person is, you just get each other, its like having the closest friendship you could ever imagine but with attraction and butterflies, even if theyre not what you would usually think of as being attractive, when you love someone they just become really attractive in your eyes, theres no one else youd want to spend your time with.

    I think allot of people never find love because theyre too picky, they have a list that they measure people against instead of taking the time to actually get to know someone and learn about them. If you gave it a chance and made an effort you might find someone, you never know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    .anon. wrote: »
    Ok then.

    People fall in love with people of all different shapes, sizes and personalities.

    I don't appreciate your insinuation, and I struggle to believe in your fanciful thinking.

    Rarely will you observe finely-chiselled, handsome people hook up with someone with a lop-sided face. Seldom will you see supermodels smitten with the obese and wheelchair bound (if ever!) Johnny Depp isn't going to fall for Susan Boyle anytime soon and Mariah Carey isn't going to fall into my arms, hopelessly enamoured.

    Humans judge potential partners partly, perhaps sometimes fully, by appearance. Some humans are clearly more popular than others, due sometimes solely, to their appearance. This is an observable fact. Many have gone, and many more will go, to their grave, unloved and unloving. If love was indeed something magical and mystical, then why isn't it an equal opportunity phenomenon? Why does it gravitate towards the Brad Pitts and Angelina Jolies of this world? Why is one person loved by many and others loved by only one, or nobody at all? Why are there infrequently vast differences between the physical, sex appeal of partners?

    So the question is: what is love really?

    Is it, at heart, rooted in

    a/ sex
    b/status
    c/ practical necessity
    d/ practical comfort
    e/ self-delusion
    f/ need to be admired
    g/ all of the above

    Because that's what it seems like to me.

    The other option is:

    h/ none of the above

    I really do not understand what romantics see in one another; why spend time together? What could possibly be so special about another human being? I will never know!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,999 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've mistaken infatuation for it a few times.

    When the real thing comes along, I'll know (as mentioned further up though, too many people seem to 'settle' for the first suitable person who comes along......the lucky ones are those who find an actual soulmate).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I've been in love and also experienced it turn to sh1t.

    While I'm definitely more cynical and don't have fairytale notions (although I'm not sure I ever did) it wouldn't stop me taking a chance again.

    I can describe my "perfect man on paper" in great detail, but none of the men I've been attracted to have fit that ideal, and I doubt I've fitted their ideal.

    Chemistry, pheromones, certain characteristics and quirks come into play more in my own experience.


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