Amber Heard admits to beating up Johnny Depp

Gynoid · 01-02-2020 3:41pm

KiKi III wrote: »

God, you're full of shiit.

Not entirely.

I agree that women are victims of violence to the point of death in far too many cases, and it is appalling. There must continue to be massive support like refuges, strict laws and protection, funding, compassionate policing etc.
But I also find the RadFem policy of constantly ignoring or downplaying the extensive reality of male abuse to be very unpleasant.
Women do not kill men to anywhere the same extent, that is trye. But there is other terrible abuse that is often ignored, though it is not as bad as murder for sure.
I do not, thank God, know any man or woman who was killed by a partner. I have heard rumours of physical violence in the case of both sexes. Statisically it is likely more women suffer as I do believe that research. But there is a form of emotional abuse that women inflict on men and honestly I have lost count of the number of cases I have personally encountered. Some close friends. That is the limiting of access to or custody of children after the breakdown of relationships. It is an epidemic, the amount of men who get a horrific deal when all they are trying to do is keep up a relationship with their beloved child. Truly I cannot understand how anyone can inflict that kind of emotional abuse on someone. It is a terrible vindictiveness. I am sure it has caused deaths by suicide, and uncountable fractured lives.

Both sexes need compassion. And why not EQUALLY.

Montage of Feck · 01-02-2020 3:56pm

Do we really need all these -isms and gender studies nonsense? Can't it just be as simple as treating others as you would like yourself to be treated, but of course there are those who would quite enjoy a pummelling from Amber Heard.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 01-02-2020 4:13pm

LillySV wrote: »

Im mortified that there’s so many soft little men out there moaning and spending too much time going on about their feelings ..

If u feel hard done by in a relationship, then u leave and split up

harden up and consider all the people out there getting a far worse deal in life than you or Johnny Depp...

Thank you for giving such a perfect illustration of the double standard around domestic abuse.

Nobody would tell a woman suffering domestic abuse at the hands of a man that she's soft, that she spends too much time moaning about her feelings, and that she needs to harden up.

Women with abusive partners get sympathy and support. Men get disparagement and ridicule.

It's no wonder, then, that so many men suffer in silence.

anewme · 01-02-2020 4:31pm

I think that’s a bloke not a woman talking ****e by the way

lawred2 · 01-02-2020 4:36pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have headbanger feminists running for Public Office trying to convince women that only they suffer from the "Epidemic of Domestic Violence" in the same week we have seen three kids *murdered in Dublin and a man murdered in Wexford by women....

I doubt the Amber Heard story will make much difference.

It is time to stop funding to organisations that are consistently guilty of misrepresenting statistics to the detriment of equality.

are you just waiting for these topics so as to engage your whataboutery?

tritium · 01-02-2020 4:43pm

KiKi III wrote: »

Well, I've never seen any of my feminist peers attempt to claim men are not the victims of domestic violence. Not once. I can't be ashamed of myself for supporting a narrative when that narrative, as far as I know, doesn't exist.

Advocating for women doesn't mean you don't support men, you're creating a correlation there that doesn't exist.

There is a massive disparity in funding because there is a massive disparity in impact. You've already admitted far more women suffering domestic abuse get murdered than the other way around. So obviously that's going to create a disparity?

To reiterate, I'm in favour of more supports for men. But I recognise the reality that women are far more likely to be victims, and therefore far more likely to need these supports.

It's a shame you're not as upset about the disparity of perpetrators as well as victims.

https://www.womensaid.ie/about/policy/natintstats.html#X-201209171234296

You do get that 29% of women and 26% of men suffer domestic abuse in Ireland right? You do realize that the funding is about €20m in one case and under a million in the other right?

These are COSCs statistics

• 15% of women and 6% of men suffer severe domestic abuse
• 29% of women and 26% of men suffer domestic abuse when severe abuse and minor incidents are combined
• 13% of women and 13% of men suffer physical abuse or minor physical incidents and
• 29% of women (1 in 3) and only 5% of men (1 in 20) report to the Gardaí.

The 1 in 20 men reporting stat doesn’t surprise me in the slightest when I read posts like yours

Silentcorner · 01-02-2020 4:46pm

lawred2 wrote: »

are you just waiting for these topics so as to engage your whataboutery?

Sorry for hitting a nerve.

lawred2 · 01-02-2020 4:48pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Sorry for hitting a nerve.

is that what you think?

Silentcorner · 01-02-2020 4:51pm

lawred2 wrote: »

is that what you think?

I don't really care what you think.

Gynoid · 01-02-2020 4:56pm

tritium wrote: »

You do get that 29% of women and 26% of men suffer domestic abuse in Ireland right? You do realize that the funding is about €20m in one case and under a million in the other right?

These are COSCs statistics

• 15% of women and 6% of men suffer severe domestic abuse
• 29% of women and 26% of men suffer domestic abuse when severe abuse and minor incidents are combined
• 13% of women and 13% of men suffer physical abuse or minor physical incidents and
• 29% of women (1 in 3) and only 5% of men (1 in 20) report to the Gardaí.

The 1 in 20 men reporting stat doesn’t surprise me in the slightest when I read posts like yours

I am quite surprised at those figures, learning something new. Given that the survey was done in 2003,that means there have been 15 years of serious under response to the problem of domestic violence against men

Silentcorner · 01-02-2020 5:01pm

Gynoid wrote: »

I am quite surprised at those figures, learning something new. Given that the survey was done in 2003,that means there have been 15 years of serious under response to the problem of domestic violence against men

In 15 years the gap in funding would be approx, going by the disparity of today's figures (which I know isn't an exact figure but as close as we can guess).....€300,000,000 to Domestic Abuse Services for women. €12,000,000 to Domestic Abuse Services to men.

I'd imagine, this is witnessed in countries all over the world, there are 2,000 shelters especially for women in the US, there is 1 for men.

That pays for a lot of research and jobs.

Gynoid · 01-02-2020 5:04pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

In 15 years the gap in funding would be approx, going by the disparity of today's figures (which I know isn't an exact figure but as close as we can guess).....€300,000,000 to Domestic Abuse Services for women. €12,000,000 to Domestic Abuse Services to men.

I'd imagine, this is witnessed in countries all over the world, there are 2,000 shelters especially for women in the US, there is 1 for men.

That pays for a lot of research and jobs.

Given the proximity of the figures in the survey that is very bad. I really did not know the figures were so comparable.

Sarcozies · 01-02-2020 5:07pm

Tell me about how funding, number of shelters available and general attitude towards male/female victims are proportionate to the number of actual victims and I'll call you a liar.

We need to do much better.

lawred2 · 01-02-2020 5:28pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't really care what you think.

I suppose I can learn to deal with that.

lawred2 · 01-02-2020 5:32pm

Sarcozies wrote: »

That's bizarre

Wibbs · 01-02-2020 5:42pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'd imagine, this is witnessed in countries all over the world, there are 2,000 shelters especially for women in the US, there is 1 for men.

Worse when one considers that there are shelters in nearly every US state for the pets of abused women.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 01-02-2020 5:44pm

lawred2 wrote: »

That's bizarre

It's not bizarre at all. It reflects the prevailing assumption that men are the perpetrators and women the victims of domestic abuse.

creditcarder · 01-02-2020 6:59pm

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Do we really need all these -isms and gender studies nonsense? Can't it just be as simple as treating others as you would like yourself to be treated, but of course there are those who would quite enjoy a pummelling from Amber Heard.

I dunno, I feel bad for saying this but she kind of looks like a woman who is with a man but doesn't actually like men. God, it's awful but I feel like I've seen women like her a lot and I think they get unhappy and vindictive.

I look at her and I see someone hot, but there be sharks boys.

creditcarder · 01-02-2020 7:00pm

lawred2 wrote: »

are you just waiting for these topics so as to engage your whataboutery?

Ignore the deflection/gaslighting. Can't lose if you don't play the game and just hammer them with facts.

creditcarder · 01-02-2020 7:02pm

anewme wrote: »

I think that’s a bloke not a woman talking ****e by the way

Was that towards my post?

Bobblehats · 01-02-2020 7:08pm

I heard she bet him to a pulp -

excuse me I just had dinner. A pulp fiction role, but they abandoned the project.

anewme · 01-02-2020 7:25pm

creditcarder wrote: »

Was that towards my post?

No to Perma Bears response to Lily. I think Lily is a bloke.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 01-02-2020 8:19pm

anewme wrote: »

No to Perma Bears response to Lily. I think Lily is a bloke.

My response doesn't make any assumption about the gender of that poster...

razorblunt · 01-02-2020 8:20pm

#cancelamberheard

anewme · 01-02-2020 8:23pm

Rebecca Creamy Insignia wrote: »

My response doesn't make any assumption about the gender of that poster...

No you didn't and I wasn't blaming you on doing so.

It was more of an observation

LillySV · 01-02-2020 8:26pm

Sarcozies wrote: »

Tell me about how funding, number of shelters available and general attitude towards male/female victims are proportionate to the number of actual victims and I'll call you a liar.

We need to do much better.

Tell that to Australia , that’s not an Irish ad...

LillySV · 01-02-2020 8:30pm

anewme wrote: »

No to Perma Bears response to Lily. I think Lily is a bloke.

It’s pretty sad that you and afew other posters here turn to insults as soon as someone says some different to what you have to say....do ya do that to your partner when they disagree with u? God is your real name Amber!?

anewme · 01-02-2020 8:33pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Worse when one considers that there are shelters in nearly every US state for the pets of abused women.

The dogs Trust Freedom project in the UK is a fantastic initiative running now over 15 years.

https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/help-advice/hope-project-freedom-project/freedom-project

It seems abusing / killing pets is a common tactic of domestic abusers if you read the stats.

At the end of the webpage , you will see links for women, men and LGBT people.

And that's the way it should be.

anewme · 01-02-2020 8:46pm

LillySV wrote: »

It’s pretty sad that you and afew other posters here turn to insults as soon as someone says some different to what you have to say....do ya do that to your partner when they disagree with u? God is your real name Amber!?

I'll quote your own words back to you.

"Im mortified that there’s so many soft little men out there moaning and spending too much time going on about their feelings ..'

Take your own advice and toughen up.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-02-2020 9:05pm

anewme wrote: »

The dogs Trust Freedom project in the UK is a fantastic initiative running now over 15 years.

https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/help-advice/hope-project-freedom-project/freedom-project

It seems abusing / killing pets is a common tactic of domestic abusers if you read the stats.

At the end of the webpage , you will see links for women, men and LGBT people.

And that's the way it should be.

Yeah, I took part in that programme when I lived in the UK. Actually, I’m not sure it was Dog’s Trust but it was the same idea. Families can’t all take their pets to shelters. It would be pandemonium. I’ve brought this up on boards.ie before and it didn’t go well for me to admit it. It just seemed like a logical thing to volunteer for. I’m not equipped to help domestic violence victims but I can damn well look after pets. Taking part in this scheme wasn’t thumbing my nose at male domestic abuse victims, it was using the skills I have to help. It was a need that was fulfilled by volunteers who might not be equipped to start a domestic violence shelter for men. I don’t know why both things can’t exist.

LillySV · 01-02-2020 9:15pm

anewme wrote: »

I'll quote your own words back to you.

"Im mortified that there’s so many soft little men out there moaning and spending too much time going on about their feelings ..'

Take your own advice and toughen up.

Sorry did I insult or attack a poster at any stage? No... people who resort to that are bullies ...

Raconteuse · 01-02-2020 9:25pm

creditcarder wrote: »

I dunno, I feel bad for saying this but she kind of looks like a woman who is with a man but doesn't actually like men. God, it's awful but I feel like I've seen women like her a lot and I think they get unhappy and vindictive.

I look at her and I see someone hot, but there be sharks boys.

Wha?

creditcarder · 01-02-2020 10:26pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

Wha?

You missed a T.

She looks like a woman who has issues with men but still marries one. I'm not entirely sure what else there is to say?

Wibbs · 01-02-2020 10:36pm

anewme wrote: »

The dogs Trust Freedom project in the UK is a fantastic initiative running now over 15 years.

https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/help-advice/hope-project-freedom-project/freedom-project

It seems abusing / killing pets is a common tactic of domestic abusers if you read the stats.

At the end of the webpage , you will see links for women, men and LGBT people.

And that's the way it should be.

Indeed and it's a good thing, but the point you seem to want to miss is the fact that there are significantly more rescue centres and support, social and actual for the pets of the abused than for abused men. That was my point.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-02-2020 11:04pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed and it's a good thing, but the point you seem to want to miss is the fact that there are significantly more rescue centres and support, social and actual for the pets of the abused than for abused men. That was my point.

That’s because people were like “Oh shit, what do we do with the pets? Let’s find some pet fosterers”. For every shelter, there’s going to be the pet issue. So naturally there’ll be a lot of related pet fostering services. The people who foster pets are not necessarily equipped to set up men’s shelters. They’re just offering help in an area in which they have experience, like many volunteers. I don’t see the link at all. If more men’s shelters are opened, then the pet fostering services will likely expand too because more hands will be needed. I’ve volunteered as a pet fosterer for shelters as I had experience I could offer. I have no experience with any kind of domestic violence volunteering. I could learn but with a busy day job, I wanted volunteering that I could just do.

anewme · 01-02-2020 11:28pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed and it's a good thing, but the point you seem to want to miss is the fact that there are significantly more rescue centres and support, social and actual for the pets of the abused than for abused men. That was my point.

The tone of that post and using italics reads as condescending which is a bit disappointing. I was trying to show something positive, inclusive and closer to home. Your post referenced pets of abused women only.

I'm fully behind supporting an inclusive approach to all impacted by domestic violence be they men, women, lgbt, children or pets, here in Ireland. America is outside my remit.

I dont believe in pitching one side against the other on this topic.

ahnowbrowncow · 02-02-2020 12:19am

Rebecca Creamy Insignia wrote: »

It's not bizarre at all. It reflects the prevailing assumption that men are the perpetrators and women the victims of domestic abuse.

This assumption is incredibly damaging to innocent men with claims by women of being victims of domestic violence being widely accepted by Judges and juries even when there is little to no evidence.

It has made it quite difficult to prosecute a female that has killed her male spouse/partner of murder unless there's overwhelming evidence.

The normal course of action is for the defendant to plead not guilty and claim self defence, abusive partner etc. They're then found guilty of manslaughter but not murder and sentenced to as little as three years.

This further skews domestic violence/murder statistics.

Fictitious claims of domestic violence are unfortunately a commonly used tactic in family law too. Safety orders, protection orders and barring orders are used to manipulate Judges' decisions and to force the male to vacate the family home.

There have been a number of these types of manslaughter cases in Ireland. Norma Philips stabbed her boyfriend in the heart and claimed a man ran in off the street and stabbed him. She later changed her story, in the garda station after she is told that he has died, to self defence claiming that he pulled a knife on her.
She was sentenced to three and a half years.

There have also been a few profile cases abroad in recent years involving Irish citizens. The Jason Corbett case was particularly harrowing, murdered while sleeping by his wife and she claimed self defence.

David Walsh was murdered by his fiancé Tina Cahill in Sydney in 2017. The judge accepted her claim of self defence against her "abusive partner" when sentencing even though she was previously convicted of attacking him with a knife after he insulted her family and on another occasion convicted of domestic violence against him and ordered to undergo domestic violence rehabilitation.

My post isn’t an attempt to diminish genuine claims of domestic violence against women, I’m very aware that it occurs far too frequently. I’m highlighting that the assumption that it is only perpetrated by men is false but society has been conditioned to think this.

I see sheep · 02-02-2020 12:49am

anewme wrote: »

And this is why men feel compelled to say nothing when impacted by domestic abuse.

I don't think you understand, she's a feckin ride

anewme · 02-02-2020 12:53am

I see sheep wrote: »

I don't think you understand, she's a feckin ride

So?

The lack of understanding is on your side.

Thankfully your outdated attitude
Is not reflected by many people here.

I see sheep · 02-02-2020 12:59am

anewme wrote: »

So?

The lack of understanding is on your side.

Thankfully your outdated attitude
Is not reflected by many people here.

I'd take a beating to ride that rollercoaster baby

Bobblehats · 02-02-2020 1:02am

I see sheep wrote: »

I'd take a beating to ride that rollercoaster baby

Move it over dad cos I'm a double-dipper
Upside down on the zip-zip-zipper

Ironicname · 02-02-2020 1:39am

LillySV wrote:

Sorry did I insult or attack a poster at any stage? No... people who resort to that are bullies ...

It is absolutely not bullying to call out your disgusting attitude for what it is.

The fact that you think it is speaks volumes.

You think that telling vast swathes of people who you know zero about their situation to man up is perfectly acceptable, yet you call it bullying when people rightly tell you that your outlook is appalling and that it reflects badly on you.

Victimhood complex is only acceptable for you it seems, everyone else is a "snowflake" who needs to grow a pair.

Bobblehats · 02-02-2020 1:43am

Brutal taste in fairness, I wouldn’t touch her with a bargepole.

worded · 02-02-2020 2:13am

My toughest fight was with my first wife.
Muhammad Ali

If it weren’t for marriage, husband and wives would have to fight with strangers.

dd973 · 02-02-2020 2:50am

Never heard of Amber Heard so looked her up.

Born 22 April = Taurus = A C**t.

Bobblehats · 02-02-2020 2:54am

dd973 wrote: »

Never heard of Amber Heard so looked her up.

Born 22 April = Taurus = A C**t.

Well that’s fairly definitive. The stars were aligned!

dd973 · 02-02-2020 3:00am

Bobblehats wrote: »

Well that’s fairly definitive. The stars were aligned!

The amount of them who are c**ts is uncanny, think of all the c**ts you've known and met and their birthday's will correlate if you find them out.

Bobblehats · 02-02-2020 3:12am

dd973 wrote: »

The amount of them who are c**ts is uncanny, think of all the c**ts you've known and met and their birthday's will correlate if you find them out.

Taurus, the ruin of many a man

Raconteuse · 02-02-2020 4:06am

creditcarder wrote: »

You missed a T.

She looks like a woman who has issues with men but still marries one. I'm not entirely sure what else there is to say?

But how does she look like a woman who has issues with men?

Raconteuse · 02-02-2020 4:07am

dd973 wrote: »

The amount of them who are c**ts is uncanny, think of all the c**ts you've known and met and their birthday's will correlate if you find them out.

Bobblehats wrote: »

Taurus, the ruin of many a man

On the cusp of Gemini though.

Amber Heard admits to beating up Johnny Depp

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