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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

  • 21-01-2020 3:02pm
    #1
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭


    starting a new thread to monitor the progress of the national broadband plan in the context of implementation and the actual build out progress

    The contract has been signed so that aspect of this is finished the time for argueing for and against the NBP is gone

    National Broadband ireland website

    https://nbi.ie/


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  • #2
    CptMackey
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    fergus1001 wrote: »
    starting a new thread to monitor the progress of the national broadband plan in the context of implementation and the actual build out progress

    The contract has been signed so that aspect of this is finished the time for argueing for and against the NBP is gone

    National Broadband ireland website

    https://nbi.ie/

    Do we know anything about how the roll out will go? Will they build out 30k from starting points?


  • #3
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    CptMackey wrote:
    Do we know anything about how the roll out will go? Will they build out 30k from starting points?


    not as of yet NBI are due to come back to us "in the next few weeks" but nothing has come to light given that we are in the middle of an election we wont hear anything untill a new Government is formed


  • #4
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    CptMackey wrote: »
    Do we know anything about how the roll out will go? Will they build out 30k from starting points?

    Just looking at navi's list of OLTs (227), most correspond to eircom exchange names. The list also includes 17 inhabited islands.

    Assuming they *are* using the eircom exchanges, if you draw a 21Km buffer around them you can see there's still a fair amount of overlap.

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    Update:
    Apologies, I forgot @irishfeen already did this.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111833549&postcount=1701


  • #5
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Two addendums:
    - they won't run the full length from many exchanges
    - the radii are straight lines which obviously roads are not.

    The OLTs are in exchanges which cover nearly all the country at 15KM vs 5km of DSL or 8 of POTS.


  • #6
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    ED E wrote: »

    - the radii are straight lines which obviously roads are not.
    Not sure what the industry assumption/convention is.

    I was assuming 30Km straight line maximum from an earlier discussion and then dividing by root 2 for effective radius. (Assuming the cable doesn't double back towards the exchange)


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  • #7
    Orebro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Any sightings of the surveying happening? There was a list of areas that were supposedly starting in Jan.


  • #8
    celticbhoy27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭celticbhoy27


    Finally an update on their Facebook page

    "work on the ground to deliver the #NationalBroadbandPlan has officially started! NBI surveyors were in Carrigaline Cork today and will ramp up across the country.

    The #NationalBroadbandPlan will deliver high speed fibre broadband to up to 537,000 homes, farms, schools and businesses around Ireland.

    #NationalBroadbandPlan #nbp #nbi #buildingalimitlessireland #ruralireland


  • #9
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Limerick Post newspaper front page this week - No home will be left behind as rural broadband roll-out begins

    NBI Chief Operations Officer Donal Hanrahan briefing Limerick City and County councillors last Tuesday
    Mr Hanrahan said that people can check on the company's website to check a date for the supply to their area by inputting the postal code.

    But he could not say when parts of the county will be covered until each area has been surveyed.


  • #10
    Tommy Lagahan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Tommy Lagahan


    Viciously suppresses excitement

    Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment


  • #11
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    The Cush wrote: »
    Limerick Post newspaper front page this week - No home will be left behind as rural broadband roll-out begins

    NBI Chief Operations Officer Donal Hanrahan briefing Limerick City and County councillors last Tuesday

    cant do this on the website as of yet hoping for a date next year seeing as i would be some of the low hanging fruit in kildare


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  • #12
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    cant do this on the website as of yet hoping for a date next year seeing as i would be some of the low hanging fruit in kildare

    What would be considered low hanging fruit? They still have to overrun the existing fibre with new fibre , minus the DPs of course.

    I'm about 750m from the last DP on our road but as their plan is not to use the existing fibre to that point but to run new fibre almost 4kms to the existing DP location from the local exchange and a further 800m to cover the remaining premises not already covered by the open-eir network.


  • #13
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    The Cush wrote: »
    Limerick Post newspaper front page this week - No home will be left behind as rural broadband roll-out begins
    Mr Hanrahan said that people can [present tense] check on the company's website to check a date for the supply to their area by inputting the postal code.

    But he could not say when parts of the county will be covered until each area has been surveyed.

    NBI Chief Operations Officer Donal Hanrahan briefing Limerick City and County councillors last Tuesday

    Hard to know what to make of that. There were only four OLT's that had an activation date in 2020.(Galway, Kilkenny, Limerick, and Carrigaline)

    Putting in sample eircodes for rural Limerick on the NBI website has only yielded nearest BCP information.

    My understanding was that they would produce a schedule of survey dates. If they're only going to release the survey dates at short notice then everyone is in the dark until the last moment.


  • #14
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    clohamon wrote: »

    My understanding was that they would produce a schedule of survey dates. If they're only going to release the survey dates at short notice then everyone is in the dark until the last moment.

    Excuse me, I temporarily forgot there's an election on. No one is to be disappointed before Feb 9th.


  • #15
    Gary kk
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    I was kinda wondering myself why they were surveying first in Cork when it was not in the first four or five counties listed on NBI site


  • #16
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Gary kk wrote: »
    I was kinda wondering myself why they were surveying first in Cork when it was not in the first four or five counties listed on NBI site

    Would imagine they will focus on the east and south first and leave the border region and north west to last. Same as everything else in the state


  • #17
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Gary kk wrote: »
    I was kinda wondering myself why they were surveying first in Cork when it was not in the first four or five counties listed on NBI site

    Carrigaline and Galway are the first 2 pilot areas. That's why.

    /M


  • #18
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    Would imagine they will focus on the east and south first and leave the border region and north west to last. Same as everything else in the state

    You yourself just happened to neglect to mention the midlands and west.


  • #19
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    My BCP is 6k away, and is described as 'in planning'. Is there any indication anywhere of how long it is likely to be for me to get connection?


  • #20
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Pique wrote: »
    You yourself just happened to neglect to mention the midlands and west.

    No follows to reason they would come in the middle


  • #21
    micksey1969
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭micksey1969


    Is there anymore information on these BCPs? How are they going to work as in when they are switched on how will people be able to connect to them. Will there be a router at each BCP without a password and how far away will people be able to pick up a signal. Ive read somewhere that the signal can travel up to 30kms, does that mean people that are say 10kms away can pick up the signal? If so how will you be able to connect to the BCP. Im 4km from my nearest BCP will i be able to pick up the signal and connect to it, if so is it free for everyone that can do this.


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  • #22
    Pique
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    micksey1969 wrote: »
    Is there anymore information on these BCPs? How are they going to work as in when they are switched on how will people be able to connect to them. Will there be a router at each BCP without a password and how far away will people be able to pick up a signal. Ive read somewhere that the signal can travel up to 30kms, does that mean people that are say 10kms away can pick up the signal? If so how will you be able to connect to the BCP. Im 4km from my nearest BCP will i be able to pick up the signal and connect to it, if so is it free for everyone that can do this.

    Ha! Nope. It's a WiFi hub.
    https://nbi.ie/broadband-connection-points/


  • #23
    micksey1969
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭micksey1969


    So you need to go to the BCP location and sit in your car and access the internet. Are they having a laugh who is going to do that when nearly everyone that has a mobile phone has either 3g or 4g internet. What a complete waste of money and time. A whole year putting theses BCPS up.


  • #24
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    Funny thing is, on the NBI map for the BCPs, you can put in your eircode to find the nearest one. Mine is 7.5km away, but only if I can drive in a straight line across Lough Ree or fly my helicopter but after Kobe and everything ya know! Google Maps has it at 23km. :D


  • #25
    theguzman
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    When you think of where we have come from to actually be at the beginning of a fibre rollout isn't it a magnificent feeling? For me personally I know we are maybe 2 years away but 2 years don't be long going, we finally have certainty. That we are into the implementation process now is great. For me it is particular special as I can see digger on the Macroom bypass and know that Fibre is coming, two things I've waited a long time in my life for.


  • #26
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    theguzman wrote: »
    When you think of where we have come from to actually be at the beginning of a fibre rollout isn't it a magnificent feeling? For me personally I know we are maybe 2 years away but 2 years don't be long going, we finally have certainty. That we are into the implementation process now is great. For me it is particular special as I can see digger on the Macroom bypass and know that Fibre is coming, two things I've waited a long time in my life for.

    Ok, I'm curious, what was the other thing ? :-)


  • #27
    Dero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Dero


    wexfordman2 wrote: »
    Ok, I'm curious, what was the other thing ? :-)

    I'm guessing the Macroom bypass?


  • #28
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    This contract will be paused next week when FF get back in
    There will be a review and there will be a long committee hearing on the subject
    NBI can sue,but that will take years


  • #29
    TheRiverman
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    Nothing so far here in West Offaly,apart from what was done by eir when they were cherry picking.


  • #30
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    This contract will be paused next week when FF get back in
    There will be a review and there will be a long committee hearing on the subject
    NBI can sue,but that will take years

    I thought it was all systems go now, is it not all signed up regardless of who is in government next.


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  • #31
    celticbhoy27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭celticbhoy27


    mgn wrote: »
    I thought it was all systems go now, is it not all signed up regardless of who is in government next.

    It is. People like to scaremonger for whatever reason


  • #32
    The Cush
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    mgn wrote: »
    I thought it was all systems go now, is it not all signed up regardless of who is in government next.

    It is, also we haven't seen the contract as was promised. Is there any penalty clause within the contract if a government unilaterally decides to cancel the contract?

    Predictions are that FF will have around 60 seats, approx 20 less than an overall majority, so will require some sort of coalition or confidence and supply agreement with others.


  • #33
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    celticbhoy27 wrote: »
    It is. People like to scaremonger for whatever reason

    I'm not scaremongering, this is likely to be repealed
    A slow death because our new government will have a mandate to stop it
    First thing will be a committee (another one)
    It'll be in the courts for years
    I would not be counting my chickens


  • #34
    user1842
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    Mortelaro wrote: »
    I'm not scaremongering, this is likely to be repealed
    A slow death because our new government will have a mandate to stop it
    First thing will be a committee (another one)
    It'll be in the courts for years
    I would not be counting my chickens

    Contract has been signed. The only thing that would hinder it now is Eir messing around (not replacing damaged poles in a reasonable time-frame etc. etc.)


  • #35
    clohamon
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    Actavo are being a bit coy about their involvement with the NBP
    ...or maybe there's another "nationwide Fibre Broadband Project across Ireland"

    https://twitter.com/Actavo_HQ/status/1225748852965285890


  • #36
    clohamon
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    Mortelaro wrote: »
    I'm not scaremongering, this is likely to be repealed
    A slow death because our new government will have a mandate to stop it
    First thing will be a committee (another one)
    It'll be in the courts for years
    I would not be counting my chickens

    The FF and SF manifestos seem resigned to the fact that it's going ahead.
    “We will uphold our contractual obligations and ensure it [NBP] is delivered as quickly as possible.”
    https://www.fiannafail.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Fianna-Fail-General-Election-Manifesto-2020.pdf
    Unfortunately due to the omnishambles that has been the National Broadband Plan, under Fine Gael, many rural businesses will not see high speed broadband any time soon. 
With this reality in mind, Sinn Féin wants to establish digital hubs in rural towns across Ireland, replicating the success of the Ludgate Hub in Skibbereen. We believe the Ireland Strategic Investment Fund should partner with others to invest €1 billion over a decade regenerating town centres, including the creation of broadband hubs with work spaces for local businesses. 

    https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2020/SF_GE2020_Manifesto.pdf


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  • #37
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Well obviously I hope ye are right but Tim as minister and Soc Dems kicking up about Dennis O'Brien having the sub contracts
    I would be concerned


  • #38
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    McCourt's NBI awards Enet contract to deliver rural internet

    David McCourt’s National Broadband Ireland has awarded Enet, the company he formerly controlled, a contract to help deliver hundreds of rural internet hubs across the country.

    https://www.businesspost.ie/telecoms/mccourts-nbi-awards-enet-contract-to-deliver-rural-internet-94b7d957


  • #39
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    could be heading for a second election now


  • #40
    westyIrl
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    fergus1001 wrote: »
    could be heading for a second election now
    From an NBP point of view, it's a good thing SF didn't run more candidates with what they intend to do with it. Having said that, if a second election does happen, it might not bode well if their numbers hold. Reading the SF manifesto, it seems they are happy to go with digital hubs only and may well look to scrap the current NBP, although they have wisely not specifically commented on what they would do with it. I just hope the contract will be too far in and too costly to reverse at the stage the next government comes into power.

    Jim


  • #41
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    westyIrl wrote: »
    From an NBP point of view, it's a good thing SF didn't run more candidates with what they intend to do with it. Having said that, if a second election does happen, it might not bode well if their numbers hold. Reading the SF manifesto, it seems they are happy to go with digital hubs only and may well look to scrap the current NBP, although they have wisely not specifically commented on what they would do with it. I just hope the contract will be too far in and too costly to reverse at the stage the next government comes into power.

    Jim

    Can't see it happening. They're pursuing a similar broadband plan up north.


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  • #42
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    westyIrl wrote: »
    From an NBP point of view, it's a good thing SF didn't run more candidates with what they intend to do with it. Having said that, if a second election does happen, it might not bode well if their numbers hold. Reading the SF manifesto, it seems they are happy to go with digital hubs only and may well look to scrap the current NBP, although they have wisely not specifically commented on what they would do with it. I just hope the contract will be too far in and too costly to reverse at the stage the next government comes into power.

    Jim

    honestly cant see them pulling it, if they get into power they can blame it on FG and beat them over the head with it if it goes way over cost or take all the credit for rolling it out if it works out

    they wouldnt want to give up a win win situation


  • #43
    The Cush
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    Timmy Dooley may not make it in Clare.


  • #44
    theguzman
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    The Cush wrote: »
    Timmy Dooley may not make it in Clare.

    There is an independent and green candidate left to be eliminated and neither will transfer well to him. Fingers crossed he gets the boot.


  • #45
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The Cush wrote: »
    Timmy Dooley may not make it in Clare.

    And he's gone.


  • #46
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    The Cush wrote: »
    Timmy Dooley may not make it in Clare.

    Dial up Timmy is gone


  • #47
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    Dial up Timmy is gone

    I'm sure there will be a wireless company somewhere to give him a cushy corporate gig.


  • #48
    recyclebin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    theguzman wrote: »
    I'm sure there will be a wireless company somewhere to give him a cushy corporate gig.

    I can't Imagine that happening...


  • #49
    shanec1928
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Adios dimmy


  • #50
    Ultimanemo
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    Dial up Timmy is gone
    Great news


  • #51
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    The 22k households in Clare under the intervention area might have bitten back


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