Des Bishop falls foul of the Traveller lobby

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 1:53pm #1

Surprised there hasn't been a thread on this yet.

Des Bishop has apparently fallen foul of the Traveller lobby for comments he made TWO YEARS AGO in an American radio interview. Seemingly the Traveller community has only discovered now how outraged they should be.

Reading through his comments in the article below, it appears to me that he's being condemned for, as usual, simply stating facts about Traveller life that the dogs in the street can tell you.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/travellers-call-on-comedian-des-bishop-to-apologise-for-absolutely-appalling-comments-1.4386964

Omackeral · 21-10-2020 1:55pm

In before the lock

LuasSimon · 21-10-2020 1:57pm

Des should know travellers can do what they want in ireland . RTÉ love them as long as they don’t live in donnybrook or Dalkey .

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 2:01pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Des should know travellers can do what they want in ireland . RTÉ love them as long as they don’t live in donnybrook or Dalkey .

Yeah it's interesting to see how their public relations machine is getting more sophisticated. They've had their taxpayer paid mouthpieces in Pavee Point long enough but in recent years we've seen John Connors on RTE every other week putting on the poor mouth about racism blah blah blah. Now they have a another mouthpiece in the Seanad to tell us all how wonderful they are and what a great contribution to Irish culture they make.

21-10-2020 2:01pm

I've never understood people demanding an apology. If you have to demand one, it's meaningless.

Blondini · 21-10-2020 2:03pm

Ain't no fan of Dessie, but the boy speaks the truth, boss.

NIMAN · 21-10-2020 2:03pm

I read the article.

He didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 2:04pm

The new lockdown restrictions allow for ten people only at funerals. Should be interesting to see how many times that particular measure is openly flouted by the Traveller community over the next six weeks while the Guards stand by and do nothing.

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 2:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've never understood people demanding an apology. If you have to demand one, it's meaningless.

It's called playing to the gallery. There's no better way to get your picture in the paper these days than by being offended and demanding an apology. It's practically an industry now. The media love it of course. Those newspaper columns won't fill themselves you know.

NIMAN · 21-10-2020 2:08pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

The new lockdown restrictions allow for ten people only at funerals. Should be interesting to see how many times that particular measure is openly flouted by the Traveller community over the next six weeks while the Guards stand by and do nothing.

Its been upped to 25 to match weddings.

Still, they'll break it willy nilly without any comeback.

Slideways · 21-10-2020 2:12pm

Tell them to fûck off.

If they feel so slighted by it, sue him. See how that pans out in court for them. It’s not slander if it’s true

Quantum Erasure · 21-10-2020 2:12pm

Tommy Tiernan, now theres a man who could tell a joke about travellers, and get away with it

sydthebeat · 21-10-2020 2:14pm

I see nothing wrong in what he said, and he actually highlighted that travellers are discriminated against

Typical "truth doesnt suit the narrative" when it comes to travellers.

Garish cemetery graves, blancmange weddings to cousins, on street feuding, withholding education from their kids, girls being corralled into homemaker lifestyles at at young age .....

This is the truth that is held evident by travellers themselves.

skooterblue2 · 21-10-2020 2:15pm

They should call him out good and proper like all his family. They are a bucket o' Sugar. They were always that way and before them they were. Now Bishop better assemble his crew and come and meet them, tooled up and all. The first man who hits the floor is a big girls blouse and he wont marry and sister o' mine let me tell you that.

Seriously, Travellers are sacred cows. You can say anything to them, they can be disciplined in the courts or though education and people wondering why they act feral. The carrot approach has failed, what options are left?

skooterblue2 · 21-10-2020 2:16pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan, now theres a man who could tell a joke about travellers, and get away with it

Yeah but he is a completely mad bastard!!! He is smarter than any traveller out there plus he has funny leanings!

breezy1985 · 21-10-2020 2:17pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've never understood people demanding an apology. If you have to demand one, it's meaningless.

Ya whatever about what you think about what was said why would care about a forced apology from someone

Gregor Samsa · 21-10-2020 2:19pm

"They’re sort of feudal, so they have a lot of feuds."

I'm just here to point out that "feudal" does not mean having a lot of feuds, and unless Travellers have a system whereby the nobility own the land and peasants work it, they're not feudal.

That said, carry on...

Smee_Again · 21-10-2020 2:21pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Its been upped to 25 to match weddings.

Still, they'll break it willy nilly without any comeback.

And then complain that AGS didn't do more to intervene and stop them from congregating in large groups.

skooterblue2 · 21-10-2020 2:21pm

Softshoulder wrote: »

Just saw it's that fool Beanz Ward that brought this up.

Terrible comedian who mocks "buffers" yet doesn't like when travellers are mocked. Hypocrite.

Well I for one am glad Martin Beanz Ward got up and did something. I wanted noted in history that on this very day, Martin Ward arose, got out of bed, trolled the internet, went outside for a dump and went back to bed.

That concludes the Legend that is Martin Beanz Ward.

DavidLyons_ · 21-10-2020 2:22pm

NIMAN wrote: »

I read the article.

He didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Yes he did. The article also contains this;

At another point Bishop says he “always sticks up for” Travellers, adding they are “hated” by the Irish, calling this “irrational” and “classic racism”.

It is neither irrational nor racism. Everything else he said is very true though.

He's full of sh!t playing the big man on a radio show in America where he thought no Irish would hear him. Watch this space, he'll be apologising like fcuk shortly so that his fellow media luvvies don't turn on him.

Outkast_IRE · 21-10-2020 2:22pm

I think he gave a very fair statement on the current situation.

The fact that they are demanding an apology is probably cause it hits a little too close to home and god forbid Pavee Point ever accepts it and tries to deal with it.

Gregor Samsa · 21-10-2020 2:26pm

Martin Collins, co-director of Pavee Point, said the comments were “absolutely appalling”. He said: “Of course they are racist and of course he should apologise. There are some Travellers though, working in the arts, who inadvertently cause hurt also when they use stereotypes of their own community.”

Martin Collins' little dig at actor John Connors (who isn't a fan of Pavee Point).

skooterblue2 · 21-10-2020 2:28pm

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Y

At another point Bishop says he “always sticks up for” Travellers, adding they are “hated” by the Irish, calling this “irrational” and “classic racism”.

Of the four things two are true and two are false.
He does stick up for travellers else he would he wouldnt have made it out of Ballina when he was there.

They are hated and it is not irrational. A traveller male over 18 is 60 times more likely to have a criminal record than a settled person.

"classic racism", interesting term! I prefer "acute sense of intuition".

breezy1985 · 21-10-2020 2:31pm

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Yes he did. The article also contains this;

At another point Bishop says he “always sticks up for” Travellers, adding they are “hated” by the Irish, calling this “irrational” and “classic racism”.

It is neither irrational nor racism. Everything else he said is very true though.

He's full of sh!t playing the big man on a radio show in America where he thought no Irish would hear him. Watch this space, he'll be apologising like fcuk shortly so that his fellow media luvvies don't turn on him.

I do wish he would f off and stop doing these deprived/working class based shows. He pretends he cares and that he's trying to understand these less advantaged people but really it's just a posh boy doing poverty porn.

TomTomTim · 21-10-2020 2:43pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Of the four things two are true and two are false.
He does stick up for travellers else he would he wouldnt have made it out of Ballina when he was there.

They are hated and it is not irrational. A traveller male over 18 is 60 times more likely to have a criminal record than a settled person.

"classic racism", interesting term! I prefer "acute sense of intuition".

I was watching the Ross Kemp in Belmarsh series recently. I honestly don't think there was one Irish lad on screen who wasn't a traveller.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 2:46pm

Softshoulder wrote: »

I ventured to twitter for the first time ever and it's amazing the amount of WOKE people supporting the "educated" travellers.

There's someone called Dr and is always spewing how the "minceir" is being racially abused. And the likes of Saoirse McHugh licking her arse.

They're so blind to the truth!!!

I have found that two different types of extremists live on Twitter and on Facebook. Both sets are united in ignorance and hysteria so I tend to ignore anyone who takes their opinions or news from Twitter and Facebook.

suicide_circus · 21-10-2020 2:46pm

Des, Des, Des...it's not "all"..it's "most".

21-10-2020 2:48pm

Where was he telling a lie?

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 2:49pm

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Yes he did. The article also contains this;

At another point Bishop says he “always sticks up for” Travellers, adding they are “hated” by the Irish, calling this “irrational” and “classic racism”.

It is neither irrational nor racism. Everything else he said is very true though.

He's full of sh!t playing the big man on a radio show in America where he thought no Irish would hear him. Watch this space, he'll be apologising like fcuk shortly so that his fellow media luvvies don't turn on him.

He does a podcast called the Shift with some midlands one who lives in NY, carving out a living doing stand up comedy but all she goes on about is trying to get a man like it's so edgy. You can probably guess he'll be blabbering on the podcast with his apology and her trying not to associate with the comments he made without actually thinking for herself.

breezy1985 · 21-10-2020 2:53pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

He does a podcast called the Shift with some midlands one who lives in NY, carving out a living doing stand up comedy but all she goes on about is trying to get a man like it's so edgy. You can probably guess he'll be blabbering on the podcast with his apology and her trying not to associate with the comments he made without actually thinking for herself.

It sounds like you spend a fair bit of time listening to a podcast you hate

21-10-2020 3:02pm

Softshoulder wrote: »

I ventured to twitter for the first time ever and it's amazing the amount of WOKE people supporting the "educated" travellers.

There's someone called Dr and is always spewing how the "minceir" is being racially abused. And the likes of Saoirse McHugh licking her arse.

They're so blind to the truth!!!

NEW TWEET FROM MING FLANAGAN:

'Saorse mcjueh licking her arse....'

TWEET DELETED

LuasSimon · 21-10-2020 3:07pm

There has been a huge number of covid cases in the traveller community , not surprisingly with all the big communion parties etc attended by large extended families. Nothing about that on RTÉ ??
It won’t change either as they won’t be stopped at garda checkpoints particularly by female gardai who are afraid of their lives of them .
The garda checkpoints will be for hounding the law abiding .

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 3:14pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

It sounds like you spend a fair bit of time listening to a podcast you hate

I gave it a chance as I like him.

AlphaDelta1 · 21-10-2020 3:22pm

There is absolutely nothing irrational about hating travellers. I've only ever had dealings with them twice and both times they deserved all the hate directed at them including killing my dog when they broke into my parents house many years ago.

It's amazing the way 90% of Irish people can form on opinion about travellers many through personal experience and yet seemingly it's these people in the wrong and the travellers in the right according to the media circle jerk.

21-10-2020 3:25pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

It won’t change either as they won’t be stopped at garda checkpoints particularly by female gardai who are afraid of their lives of them .
.

Oh really?
All the female gardai told you that did they?

breezy1985 · 21-10-2020 3:39pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

There has been a huge number of covid cases in the traveller community , not surprisingly with all the big communion parties etc attended by large extended families .

Haha ya cause the settled community definitely weren't doing that. Very strict on the numbers at funerals settled people are too

.anon. · 21-10-2020 3:51pm

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing irrational about hating travellers. I've only ever had dealings with them twice and both times they deserved all the hate directed at them including killing my dog when they broke into my parents house many years ago.

If you made that comment about any other minority group, you'd be banned. Or at least you would have been, back in the days when racism wasn't allowed on Boards.

There absolutely is something irrational about hating all Travellers because some Travellers killed your dog.

As for Des Bishop - if he had said "A disproportionately high amount of Travellers are violent or involved in crime" the likes of Pavee Point may well have been annoyed with him - probably even more annoyed - because it's demonstrably true.

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 3:56pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh really?
All the female gardai told you that did they?

There's a serious issue with a lot of Gardai refusing to tackle anti-social behaviour by the sound of it.

You'd wonder is it fears of being accused of racism or just plain old reluctance to tackle thuggery that's behind it. I'd normally be very reluctant to criticise the Guards as they have the worst job imaginable, but at this stage I've heard so many tales on Boards about Gardai refusing to tackle thuggery that you have to wonder.

Police in England were reluctant to tackle child sex exploitation among the Muslim community in England for fear of racism accusations, which actually led to the abuse going on long after it was known about by the authorities.

TomTomTim · 21-10-2020 3:56pm

.anon. wrote: »

If you made that comment about any other minority group, you'd be banned. Or at least you would have been, back in the days when racism wasn't allowed on Boards.

True, but reality plays a role. Most minorities don't manage such a high rate of stereotypical behavior as our ethnic minorities.

Mad_maxx · 21-10-2020 3:57pm

Softshoulder wrote: »

Just saw it's that fool Beanz Ward that brought this up.

Terrible comedian who mocks "buffers" yet doesn't like when travellers are mocked. Hypocrite.

martin BEANZ ward isnt especially funny but he seems like a sound enough bloke

would be a shame if he decided to jump on the grievance train which so many well known travellers ( DR sindy joyce etc ) have made of living from

breezy1985 · 21-10-2020 3:57pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

that twitter scrap about bishop and the tinkers is a month old

Ya but the people who are constantly outraged at the "constantly outraged" are outraged so they need a thread to show outrage about the fact that people they don't like are outraged

Mad_maxx · 21-10-2020 4:00pm

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing irrational about hating travellers. I've only ever had dealings with them twice and both times they deserved all the hate directed at them including killing my dog when they broke into my parents house many years ago.

It's amazing the way 90% of Irish people can form on opinion about travellers many through personal experience and yet seemingly it's these people in the wrong and the travellers in the right according to the media circle jerk.

the media tribe despise middle ireland , eulogizing travellers is just another way of showing us their contempt

Everlong1 · 21-10-2020 4:08pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the media tribe despise middle ireland , eulogizing travellers is just another way of showing us their contempt

Just as well you have a charismatic celebrity championing your cause....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cE99HzgxVw

21-10-2020 4:08pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

martin BEANZ ward isnt especially funny but he seems like a sound enough bloke

would be a shame if he decided to jump on the grievance train which so many well known travellers ( DR sindy joyce etc ) have made of living from

+1 Any time I have seen him comment he seemed like a decent fella, and making fair enough comments.

Hd shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as that Connors fella.

fatbhoy · 21-10-2020 4:18pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

They should call him out good and proper like all his family. They are a bucket o' Sugar. They were always that way and before them they were. Now Bishop better assemble his crew and come and meet them, tooled up and all. The first man who hits the floor is a big girls blouse and he wont marry and sister o' mine let me tell you that.

Seriously, Travellers are sacred cows. You can say anything to them, they can be disciplined in the courts or though education and people wondering why they act feral. The carrot approach has failed, what options are left?

Hahaha they should make a YouTube video on de cumputers, and christen him sh1te-in-the-mic :pac::pac::pac:

21-10-2020 4:27pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

There's a serious issue with a lot of Gardai refusing to tackle anti-social behaviour by the sound of it.

You'd wonder is it fears of being accused of racism or just plain old reluctance to tackle thuggery that's behind it. I'd normally be very reluctant to criticise the Guards as they have the worst job imaginable, but at this stage I've heard so many tales on Boards about Gardai refusing to tackle thuggery that you have to wonder.

Police in England were reluctant to tackle child sex exploitation among the Muslim community in England for fear of racism accusations, which actually led to the abuse going on long after it was known about by the authorities.

None of that is true

Foxhound38 · 21-10-2020 4:32pm

I fail to see where anything he said was untrue or unfair to be honest. The social problems he speaks about are backed up by crime and literacy statistics, and on the flipside while I would hesitate to call what they are subjected to "racist" (because I think it's dubious to acknowledge the dodgy claim that their historical profession and current lifestyle choices represent a different ethnicity to the rest of us) they are definately discriminated against as he points out.

Their own behaviour reinforces the discrimination and the discrimination seems to increase their alienation to the rest of us and reinforces the bad behaviour that section of society is rife with. Hard to see a way around it for anyone.

whisky_galore · 21-10-2020 4:35pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

There's a serious issue with a lot of Gardai refusing to tackle anti-social behaviour by the sound of it.

For a crowd with a disproportionate number of their kind in the prison population (10% Male, 22% female but only making up 0.6% of general population all told) the Guards are picking them up and shoving them behind bars somehow.

Can't say I envy what they have to do.

.anon. · 21-10-2020 4:45pm

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Hard to see a way around it for anyone.

A good start would be to acknowledge that not all Travellers are the same. By referring to "their own behaviour" you fail to do that.

dd973 · 21-10-2020 4:53pm

I've no connection whatsoever to the Traveller community but have a face and physiology that deems me to be one within seconds in loads of pubs and public places I've been to. Of course, the person saying it 'knows' that they are spot on and have flawless deity like judgement that doesn't require investigation or the actual spade work of talking to the person that's piqued their curiosity and pre conceived notions.

Actual Travellers wherever they are have actually done me less harm than these people.

purifol0 · 21-10-2020 4:54pm

bubblypop wrote: »

None of that is true

You couldn't be more wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

"The failure [by police] to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class and gender [and] fear that the perpetrators ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism"

Des Bishop falls foul of the Traveller lobby

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